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    The Art World: What If…?!

    What if we reimagined everything in culture, from painting to patronage? Tune in to The Art World: What If…?! to hear leading thinkers, creators and innovators in art rethink the system, exploring the consequences with wit, wisdom and humor.

    Join art journalist Charlotte Burns and world-renowned art advisor Allan Schwartzman as they exclusively interview museum leaders, collectors and artists including MoMA director Glenn Lowry, Guggenheim deputy director Naomi Beckwith, non-profit leader Kemi Ilesanmi, curator Cecilia Alemani and Sandra Jackson-Dumont, the director of the Lucas Museum of Narrative Art and many others over the course of the series.

    From the team behind In Other Words and Hope & Dread, The Art World: What If…?! is brought to you by Schwartzman& for Art& and produced by Studio Burns.

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    The Art World: In Other Words, Massimiliano Gioni Wants to Do Away with Quality Sep 12, 2019
    Show notes

    "I realized that more interesting things happen when I could do away with notions of quality and taste," says Massimiliano Gioni, artistic director of the New Museum in New York and director of the Trussardi Foundation in Milan.

    Gioni—who The New York Times called a "biennale veteran" by the time he was 38—says this thinking freed him up to stage exhibitions that moved away from treating art like "the isolated masterpiece". He talks to host Charlotte Burns about the collapse of the alternative art, music and publishing scenes in the 1990s and about the potential of social mobility within the art world.

    Massimiliano's latest show, "Appearance Stripped Bare: Desire and the Object in the Work of Marcel Duchamp and Jeff Koons, Evens", is on view until 29 September at the Museo Jumex in Mexico City.

    To hear more, tune in now.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-63-massimiliamo/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-63-massimiliamo/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Live Panel: Says Who? Cultural Value and Validation in the 21st Century Aug 15, 2019
    Show notes

    Who gets to define culture, and who gets to create it? Who decides what's in and what's out, what's valuable and what's worthless? In a live panel discussion moderated by Charlotte Burns and organized in collaboration with Sotheby's and the Aspen Ideas Festival, our guests Roberta Smith (The New York Times co-chief art), Michael Govan (CEO and Wallis Annenberg Director of the Los Angeles County Museum of Art), and Derrick Adams (a visual and performance artist) examine how society forms a consensus about which objects and stories we save, and which we discard—and, ultimately, who controls culture today.

    To hear more from the live panel, tune in today.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-63-live-from-aspen/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Live From Venice - Our Take On The Biennale Jul 18, 2019
    Show notes

    Welcome to our Venice Biennale special, which we recorded live in Italy last month. Returning to his roots as an art critic for our first ever review show, Allan Schwartzman joins host Charlotte Burns to take you on a tour through the art on view in the floating city, both in the Biennale and beyond.

    "We do live in interesting times—but do we live in times of interesting art?", Schwartzman asks at the start of the show. Tune in to find out.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-62-live-review-of-the-venice-biennale/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Sir David Adjaye Takes On Nation Myths Jun 20, 2019
    Show notes

    Sir David Adjaye is the architect behind some of the most interesting buildings of our times, from national museums to social housing. He has described the fraught political process of designing the prize-winning National Museum of African American History and Culture, which opened in Washington, D.C. in 2016, as eight years of pain. But "these buildings are long overdue," Adjaye says, "There's a language they need to bring, which is about the reality rather than the fiction of nation imagery."

    In this podcast with Amy Cappellazzo (co-founder of AAP and a chairman of Sotheby's) and host Charlotte Burns (executive editor, In Other Words), Adjaye—who has designed the forthcoming expansion of the Studio Museum as well as the plans for the National Cathedral of Ghana—talks about how space can change the way we think about our own histories. "We've all been numbed into never dealing with big questions," he says, asking: "Then what the hell are we all doing here?"

    For this and more, tune in today.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-61-remaking-the-imagination-with-architect-david-adjaye/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, David Zwirner Needs No Introduction Jun 06, 2019
    Show notes

    "I really felt ten years ago that there was a huge opportunity for me at different levels in the art world," says David Zwirner, whose eponymous gallery opened in New York more than 25 years ago, has since expanded to London and Hong Kong and is increasingly focusing on its online strategy. "Of course, expansion fuels expansion," he says. "At the same time, I think there's a huge risk. There's definitely a 'too big' possible."

    In conversation with Allan Schwartzman (co-founder of AAP and a chairman of Sotheby's) and our host Charlotte Burns (executive editor, In Other Words), Zwirner discusses the future of the business and the state of the market—and talks about what he is looking for in the next generation of artists.

    For more, tune in today.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-60-david-zwirner/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Andy Warhol: Sex, Death, Beauty and Disaster May 30, 2019
    Show notes

    Andy Warhol is one of the best-known—but perhaps least understood—artists of the 20th century. "Warhol shifted the paradigm. He shifted the conversation. That's why we're still grappling with him. Love him or hate him," says Donna De Salvo, the senior curator and deputy director for International Initiatives at the Whitney Museum of American Art, who recently organized the blockbuster exhibition "Andy Warhol—From A to B and Back Again" (on show now at the San Francisco Museum of Modern Art, until 2 September).

    Beyond the glamour of the celebrity and consumerism so often associated with Warhol, there is something destabilizing about his work, says Dominique Lévy, the co-founder of Lévy Gorvy—which is showing "Warhol Women" in New York (until 15 June). "If you spend enough time in front of a Warhol painting, little by little it unnerves you," Lévy says.

    When people fetishize the trophy of the Marilyn, they're missing a certain point of the way that Warhol is constantly disrupting," De Salvo says: "Whether it's the off registration of the screen, through the color, through the scale, the multiplicity of images. He's not about a fixed image. He's actually quite the opposite and that gets to issues of identity."

    Together with host Charlotte Burns, Lévy and De Salvo discuss the radical aspects of Warhol's work, discussing how much of it is still undervalued and under-appreciated—particularly drawings from the 1950s and works from the 1970s and 1980s. "He reinvents himself and becomes more and more conceptual, and more and more relevant," Lévy says.

    "His project ends because he dies," De Salvo says: "He was just getting going again." Ultimately, she says, Warhol "reflected these twin American desires, which are at odds: our desire to innovate and our desire to conform."

    For this and more, tune in today.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-60-warhols-women/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Reshaping Culture May 16, 2019
    Show notes

    Today's podcast is a lively one, taking in authorship and authority, productivity and capital in conversation with Alistair Hudson (director of The Whitworth and Manchester Galleries), Bernadine Bröcker Wieder (CEO and co-founder of the Vastari Group, a platform connecting museums, private collectors and other exhibition organizers) and our host Charlotte Burns.

    Taking different approaches, Hudson and Bröcker Wieder are both interested in what a more equitable art world would look like and both are invested in community and collaboration.

    The dialogue on democracy, community, tech and collaboration closes with a call for openness. "I see a big role for institutions reclaiming this territory of culture," Hudson says: "How we shape and create our culture as being above and beyond politics and economics."

    Tune in today for more.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-55-bernadine-and-alistair/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Then and Now: Paula Cooper Gallery Apr 25, 2019
    Show notes

    Paula Cooper Gallery has survived and thrived in a mercurial art world for more than five decades. On today's show, the legendary dealer talks about the history and future of her gallery together with Steven Henry, who has been the gallery director for more than two decades, Allan Schwartzman, co-founder of Art Agency, Partners, and host Charlotte Burns.

    Known for her eye, Cooper has represented some of the most important international contemporary artists of the past half-century. "Artists will give her the best shows, the best work," says Henry. The gallery has remained a leader of the pack throughout the past 50 years, despite seismic shifts in the art world and market. Nowadays, "it's this huge international money world," says Cooper, who also discusses new styles of collecting and the impact of politics on the art world.

    She also talks about the future: "I really have to think about not being here, now at this point," she says. Ultimately, the legacy of the gallery will be the artists it has supported, she says: "The gallery will be forgotten. It's the artists who survive."

    For this and more, tune in today to In Other Words.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-58-paula-cooper-and-steve-henry/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Power, Purpose and Privilege with Artists Nari Ward and Derrick Adams Apr 11, 2019
    Show notes

    "As an artist I feel like it's my role to bring that moment of history—that moment of doubt, frustration, of fear—into the present," says Nari Ward in conversation with fellow artist Derrick Adams on this episode of In Other Words.

    Ward is the subject of a major retrospective at the New Museum ("Nari Ward: We The People" until 26 May)—which spans 25 years of his work and has been heralded as "persistent and liberating" by The New York Times. The sculptor—who has been called an accumulation artist for his often large-scale work involving discarded material—has lived and worked in Harlem since the beginning of his career and uses the neighborhood as source and inspiration.

    Art is the perfect medium for exploring such complicated subjects as gentrification, power and the AIDS crisis, Ward says: "It should challenge, consume, maybe even disrupt—and then it should also figure out, because it is art. It is artifice. It is a safe space to consider those different moments."Adams is the subject of two concurrent exhibitions on show in New York right now ("Derrick Adams: Interior Life" at Luxembourg & Dayan and "Derrick Adams: New Icons" at Mary Boone Gallery). "I thought that successful art was about penetrating the world with images that you want people to see," he says to host Charlotte Burns. "I want to give viewers other options of looking at black American culture", he says, especially the normalcy of "what people were doing as a break."

    Together, Ward and Adams discuss all the big stuff: from God and spirituality in art, to the power and purpose of making art. They talk real estate and repression, and discuss the power of imagination and moral compassion.

    Tune in to In Other Words today for this and much more.

    Transcript:

    https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-56-nari-ward-and-derrick-adams/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


    The Art World: In Other Words, Who Gets to Be American? Mar 28, 2019
    Show notes

    Our world and the ways in which we perceive and understand it are both shaped and reflected by art. This is especially true when it comes to nations and the stories they tell of themselves. Focusing on American identity, this podcast was recorded during a live panel discussion between Lauren Haynes (curator of contemporary art at Crystal Bridges Museum of American Art in Bentonville, Arkansas), Paul Anthony Smith (artist), Antwaun Sargent (critic) and host Charlotte Burns at The Armory Show in New York earlier this month.

    From the question of whether there are "American" artists today to what it means to consider oneself American; from representation within museums to how morality is dealt with in US culture, our guests ask how institutions, and the art world at large, are working to foster a more expansive narrative.

    Tune in today to hear more.

    Transcript: https://www.artagencypartners.com/transcript-55-armory/

    "In Other Words" is a presentation of AAP and Sotheby's, produced by Audiation.fm.


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