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    The Appeal

    The Appeal is a podcast, hosted by Adam Johnson, on criminal justice reform, abolition and everything in between. Each week we will feature fascinating interviews with those covering, working in, and most affected by the American criminal system; from lawyers to activists to reporters to the formerly incarcerated. The Appeal will unpack the latest efforts to shine a light on––and radically rethink––the largest prison state in the world.

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    Episode 15: On the Ground in Dallas' High Stakes DA Race Sep 20, 2018
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    This week we're doing the first of a recurring series on how activists and organizers on the ground are trying to move the needle with regard to District Attorney races. Our first installment: Dallas County. An appointed conservative DA, Faith Johnson, has flown mostly under the radar in the notoriously red state as activists there, including our three guests–Dominique Walker of ACLU Texas, Reverend Edwin Robinson of Faith in Texas, and Joe Estelle of The Texas Organizing Project––have been working to raise awareness and educate voters on just how powerful District Attorneys are.


    Episode 14: The Prison-to-School Pipeline Sep 13, 2018
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    You've likely heard of the school-to-prison pipeline, but what you likely haven't heard is the prison-to-school pipeline––efforts in recent years to help the incarcerated and formerly incarcerated receive a quality education. Our guest, activist and educator Danny Murillo, has been spearheading such initiatives for over five years. After spending 14 years in Pelican Bay supermax prison he co-founded the Underground Scholars Initiative at University California Berkeley which is dedicated to making education accessible to everyone regardless of their carceral status.


    Episode 13: The Problem of 'Innocence' Sep 06, 2018
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    'He was a straight-A student', 'a loving husband', 'she worked 60 hours a week'––we often hear how victims of police and white supremacist violence didn't deserve to be killed due to their shiny records. But what if this is the totally wrong approach to discussing violence visited upon oppressed communities? Our guest, Appeal contributor Zoé Samudzi, argues that the notion of "innocence" as a condition for empathy is an outdated, puritan mode of thinking that implies those with messy, so-called "criminal pasts" are somehow not deserving of our compassion.


    Episode 12: Why Electronic Monitoring Is Not Prison Reform Aug 16, 2018
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    As prison reform efforts begin to have an effect on how many people end up behind bars, a reliance on electronic monitoring increasingly serves as a pseudo-solution to keep people out of cement and steel cages––by putting them into electronic ones. Our guest, Appeal contributor Kira Lerner, talks about the moral hazards presented by this approach and why it's important prison reform efforts expand beyond cement walls to include those composed of house arrest and monitoring technologies.


    Episode 11: Big Box Retailers and Prosecutors Team Up to Crackdown on Petty Crime Aug 09, 2018
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    Shoplifting is traditionally seen as a petty crime unworthy of serious punishment, much less prison time. But under an increasingly popular theory of crime, DA's––with the help of retail lobbyists––are throwing the book at people for stealing as little as $39 worth of goods, claiming they burgled a public store. Our guest, Appeal contributor Jessica Pishko, discusses this punitive trend and what public defenders are doing to push back.


    Episode 10: Race and Corruption in Child Protection Courts Aug 02, 2018
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    State child protective courts are an under-reported element of our criminal legal system, but their impact on communities of color and the poor is felt as much, if not more, than other aspects of it. One case, that of the Hart family, caught national attention after a seemingly "normal" white couple adopted African-American children taken from the mother by a corrupt and likely racist judge in Texas––only to end in a grisly murder-suicide. Our guest, Appeal contributor Roxanna Asgarian, joins us to talk about this case and the broader social and racial aspects of the state taking children away from their parents.


    Episode 9: The History––and Promise––of the Bail Abolition Movement Jul 26, 2018
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    1 in 5 people incarcerated in this country have not been convicted of any wrongdoing. Their crime? Being poor in a country that tethers pre-trial freedom to one's wealth. In this episode we discuss with journalist Bryce Covert emerging efforts––from New York to New Orleans to Chicago––to bond people out of jail as both a temporary form of relief, and a long term strategy of undoing the cash bail system entirely.


    Episode 8: The Racist Zeal of 'Zero Tolerance' and Trump's Anti-Immigrant Escalation Jul 19, 2018
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    By now you've probably heard of the family separation crisis at the US-Mexico border. What you may not know is how exactly we got to this tipping point. On today's show we talk with Appeal writer Max Rivlin-Nadler, who's been following President Trump and Attorney General Jeff Sessions's ramped up "zero tolerance" approach to immigration. While President Obama had harsh immigration policies as well, Trump's approach goes much further––animated by a toxic mixture of racism, for-profit incarceration, and summary punishment.


    Episode 7: What Abolitionists Mean When They Talk About Abolition Jul 12, 2018
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    We didn't always have police and prisons as we know them today—in fact, they're fairly recent inventions. Abolitionists like William C. Anderson ask us to radically rethink the necessity of police, and our practice of throwing people in cages. Anderson traces the origins of modern punishment from slavery to debt peonage to Jim Crow to the co-called War on Drugs.


    Episode 6: The Unique Cruelty of Sentencing Children to Life Without Parole Jun 28, 2018
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    Despite recent Supreme Court rulings curtailing the practice, the United States remains the only country on earth that enforces life without parole sentences for crimes committed when they were minors. Our guest, Victoria Law, explains efforts by prosecutors in Louisiana to continue keeping dozens of men, most of them Black, in state prison for crimes committed when they were 16, 17 years old in the 1960s and 1970s––typifying a prosecutorial ethos of punishment for punishment's sake.


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