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Show notes Listener points out Dave said to slap him in Episode 255 if he ever said he was getting a pick and place. Dave stated as much in episode #610 Dave posted a bunker tour and clean up video on Odyssey 10 cent micro showed up to Chris's lab (discussed in #610) The tooling has a windows focus, the toolchain is called MounRiver. There is some OpenOCD tooling specifically for it. GitHub repos open a web based VScode window when you hit "." (period). You need to be logged in. Discussion on embedded.fm 435 about GitHub codespaces Christmas lights Arduino is targeting the industrial market with the Opta "microPLC". They will have ladder logic for this device. John Davis was on episode 385 talking about the difficulties of working in a machine building environment. A new part from Sony/Altair, the ALT1350, looks like it has EVERYTHING in it: Cellular, GPS, WiFi (hotspot finding only), 2.4GHz / 802.15.4, sub Gig. So many radios! Lock teardowns Artemis The Grid (book) Automated transcript 00:19.99 Dave Welcome to the amp hour I'm Dave Jones from the EeV blog 00:24.37 chrisgammell And I’m Chris Gammell of the slapping industries because I am supposed to be slapping you. 00:30.24 Dave Well oh I know what this is about right? Thank you to the person who put this on who do who did who put it on the silly lie and yeah, thank you very much got the most up votes. Yeah, go ahead. Do it do it. Although I haven’t technically got 1 00:36.26 chrisgammell Ah, five days ago yeah this is this this silly lion. 00:43.43 chrisgammell Yeah, yeah, yeah, okay here we go here. We go ladies and gentlemen in the light of last week’s episode I just wanted to say that in episode number two fifty five at timestamp Fifty Six Twenty Dave says that quote. 00:47.77 Dave So you know and. 01:00.31 chrisgammell You ever hear me utter. The the words I’m contemplating getting a pick in place just you know slap me. Thank you and happy holidays. Fantastic! What a great callback? Yeah yeah there we go all right? all It’s okay, yeah. 01:07.57 Dave Ah, ah, ah or cheese and ah oh I think I’ve come to my senses I well was I thinking. Ah oh boy. Yeah, um, so yeah, so trust some nerd to remember. 01:20.52 chrisgammell And yeah, well I mean that’s I have to wonder like were they just now listening were they to listen to it recently or they have like photographic memory. Yeah, right, Very impressive. 01:25.78 Dave Right? Remember Well did they actually pull that out of their memory bank I wouldn’t surprise me if they pulled that out of their memory bank because I can still say oh yeah I can remember that in in you know, an episode ah episode and a copy of. 01:44.83 chrisgammell And yeah, yeah, it probably means that they they they had something in their memory that they they’re like yeah I really would like to see Dave slapped. 01:45.10 Dave Electronicks Australia Magazine back in 1985 there was this article that said blah blah blah blah blah you know like I can probably pull that out of my ass. But. 01:57.77 Dave Right? Slap me right? Yeah possibly Yep yep I don’t know I’d like ah I don’t know what triggered it I don’t know. 02:04.26 chrisgammell Ah. 02:09.15 chrisgammell What the the urge to get a I think it is completely natural I Think here’s here’s the thing the ah the I think the journey often goes like this. 02:10.15 Dave The ah the the lust for a pick and yeah, the urge to get a pick and place machine I don’t right. 02:21.58 chrisgammell Ah I’m so frustrated if only I could just build you know like ah these boards are taking so long to build if I’m sending them out or they’re taking so long to build if I have them in-house. All I just needed is some robot to do this. It would be so easy if a robot would do this and the answer is yeah of course it would if it was perfect but it it just sucks you know like even you know even the ones. 02:26.95 Dave There. All right? and and then you start realizing that it’s oh it’s only five bucks a board to get your board assembled or whatever right insert symbol here like and insert your assembly figure. 02:41.15 chrisgammell Yeah. Sure sure yeah. 02:48.61 Dave There right? Yeah, but let’s just say five bucks to assemble aboard you go like well how do you justify $10000 pick and place machine and all the infinite amount of time and energy required to run it and massage it and maintain it and pull your hair out and learn it and you know and. 02:56.98 chrisgammell Yes. 03:03.51 chrisgammell Yeahp I think it’s it’s really that like the idea of like the drop of the hat you know I always talk about like the 2 a m problem and like if you had a thing at 2 am yeah you know like this would be super super useful, but most people I feel like do not have that and the ones that do you know. 03:06.68 Dave Yeah, right? yep. 03:20.10 Dave Yeah, oh yeah, of course well I think part of my motivation is that it would and part of the inspiration is that I think it might motivate me into doing actual designs and getting them assembled. 03:21.50 chrisgammell It’s probably faster cheaper to just pay for overnight service like from a actual assembly house. So I think it’s. 03:37.50 chrisgammell M. 03:39.21 Dave Right? because I’ve if I’ve got the capability there I go oh here’s an idea for I could sell a couple hundred of these boards you know? and yeah, why not just do this and then just right. 03:41.56 chrisgammell And yeah I I I don’t I don’t agree with that for myself I think that’s like the the buying a buying a treadmill in order to start running I think really I should just go outside and start running. Yeah. 03:54.21 Dave Right? Okay, yeah, yeah, you should just and do it but I’m sort of a bit and unusual Caseian I’ve got a large audience who will you know look if I came up with some little widget that you know I could probably like sell and distribute a couple of hundred of them. That’s that’s that’s no problem I think so you know. 04:00.40 chrisgammell Sure sure I think. 04:09.41 chrisgammell I’m sure you could yeah of course of course. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I’m not saying that I’m saying that you should if you were actually serious about that you should build 2 little widgets first. Yeah yeah. 04:13.85 Dave Yeah I should build the widgets first and then and then figure and well maybe I should do that. Maybe I should build the maybe I should build a couple of widgets in anticipation of getting a pick and place machine right? And then I haven’t ready to go. Yeah. 04:24.64 chrisgammell A exactly right? because and there’s always future ones too right? You’re going to. You’re going to do like variations and upgrades and stuff like that. So yeah. 04:35.48 Dave Yeah, well well well straight off the bat I could get into remanufactory my um, my microcurrent or a variation of it. Maybe I can just do a new variant of that. But I’ve got a couple of ideas I just need the inspiration to spend the time on them to you know to actually get it done. So. 04:40.36 chrisgammell Chair there here. Yeah, yep, totally right? yeah. 04:52.61 Dave Yeah, and and I’ve got the extra room now to do it So that that’s another thing right? Well actually it pretty much I think it it was that no it was if you see my video. It’s um, over it’s on my Odyssey channel. 04:56.74 chrisgammell Right? right? Maybe oh actually it’s full of stuff already. 05:11.23 chrisgammell No, okay, that’s I haven’t in that yet. Yeah. 05:12.60 Dave It’s an exclusive over there I think I don’t think I put it on my main thing. But anyway we have to link it in. It’s where yeah I actually cleaned up my bunker and I was so astonished at the amount of bench space I had and I went war I could put a desktop pick and place machine here if I wanted to you know and. 05:20.62 chrisgammell Um, yeah. 05:27.14 chrisgammell Yeah, yeah, yeah. 05:31.90 Dave And and then I actually started So that’s what like I and then I just grabbed my camera and I just shot a little blurb down there and that’s what that’s where the inspiration came from I think and and. 05:38.74 chrisgammell That’s what started the whole thing. Why and so and actually there was an update on that right? So we had we had talked about it on the show and then you would also kind of kept going with it and then I think you had kind of figured out that like you don’t you don’t want to go with that machine that you had talked about on the show. 05:44.29 Dave Yes, well. 05:52.34 Dave No the kit. No, even though. Um, thank you the light place. Sorry I forget his name but um, yeah, he’s still making the light place and he did. He said if I if I wanted to actually do because the kit I’ve got is like 7 years old and so it’s not you know. 06:06.40 chrisgammell Note this wasn’t the kit. This was ah you had talked about the the YYZ or something like that if you the need why I okay yeah. 06:11.70 Dave Ah, all the ah why why one yeah the yeah yeah, no I no look there. There’s been discussion on the forum I’m involved in this forum 3 where some people are you know there’s like 3 or 4 people on the ev blog forum we’ve got one you know and like. There’s there’s 1 person saying look. It’s okay, it’s doing the job. You know I solved these problems but most people seem to think oh no, the feeders are really dicky and you know and then the last thing you want is feeders that a dicky right? That’s that’s the whole thing with pick and place machines is reliable feeders right. 06:45.58 chrisgammell Yeah, yeah, totally yeah. 06:47.27 Dave That’s that’s that’s that’s like the biggest grief with a pick and place machine. It’s not that you got to spend the time to programmer you know, look that’s you know, easy easy peasy right? Yeah, no, but that’s but that’s you got to do that with any you got to do that with any machine right? But the differences between machines are in how reliable is the pick and place. 06:53.18 chrisgammell But that’s that’s something. But yeah, it’s not as much right? Yeah yeah. 07:06.46 Dave Stuff how reliable is the vacuum system the feeders, the pulloon the tape back and you know doing all the rest of it right? Can you just set it up and go and come back and you know you’re a thousand parts are done orchi or do you have to sit there and massage the damn thing you know. So yeah and like yeah, there’s just too many reports of. 07:07.48 chrisgammell Ah, yeah. 07:12.72 chrisgammell Um, yeah. 07:17.59 chrisgammell Right? yeah. 07:25.96 Dave Of dicky feeders these friction These are three D printed by the way they’re three D printed feeders. So as I think you spotted on the previous podcast. You actually see and you saw the image and you went Oh they’re they’re being three D printed. No, apparently they’re three D printed. Yeah so. 07:30.28 chrisgammell Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah I looked I looked at the photos at least but that could have been promotional or early photos versus production. Yeah, interesting. Yeah. 07:45.26 Dave Yeah, which is fine if they work right? But yeah nah anyway, um, an update from the previous show when we talked about is I did actually put a bid on on a local used machine. Um, and it came with 44 yamaha feeders. 07:48.96 chrisgammell I guess. 07:57.89 chrisgammell No interesting. Oh Wow. Okay. 08:04.72 Dave Right? It was like like it was yeah it was the real deal right? and it was a desktop one and I would have had to drive to canberra to get it but fine. Okay I could do a road trip right? to get it and you know and um, a rent a Ue yep and well actually I did actually check. 08:10.93 chrisgammell Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, rent a Ute. 08:22.90 Dave The I car I did actually measure the car and it might have just fitted in the car. It’s ah it’s more of like the awkwardness because it weighs like one hundred and ten Kilos so it’s more like the awkwardness of trying to like slide it in there and you know stuff like that. So it it it? Yeah, so well don’t care about that. It’s an old car but you know, um. 08:25.77 chrisgammell Oh okay I know? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, not hang up the car to ah at it. 08:41.43 Dave Yeah, so we weren’t yeah so it it would have actually fitted the problem is getting it anyway. I could have figured out the transport right? And so I unfortunately I should have hit the buy it now button. Okay because the guy like there was a make an offer thing so I went. Oh yeah, I’ll make an offer So I made a you know quite a generous offer on it. 08:51.31 chrisgammell Me. 08:59.50 Dave Um, but it it was below the selling price. So I waited for the guy to get back to me and then he didn’t get back to me and then the it it just vanished the actual ebay listing just vanished right? So um I contacted him said hey yeah, what’s going on you know and he said oh no, we decided to keep it. It’s like oh damn. 09:08.14 chrisgammell Yep. 09:17.94 Dave So even even if I hit the Bowat now button and like paid for it straight away I think he would have re-nigged on it anyway. So you know anyway, yeah, and and that yeah it was a use machine. Um was it the charm high or something which yeah I know they got a bad. Oh no, it’s some variation you know it. 09:19.59 chrisgammell Yeah. Yeah. 09:36.47 Dave It is one of the chinese ones but it’s one of the better ones. But yeah, like but but but it uses yamaha feeders right? So it’s one of the ones. Yeah, and okay and it came with like forty yamaha feeders for goodness sake. So I’m like like and it was only like 3 3 grand or something. 09:37.35 chrisgammell But then yamaha feeders Interesting Interesting. Yeah. 09:48.18 chrisgammell And maybe you should just ah contact that person and just be like hey you want to build some boards. 09:53.96 Dave Yeah, right? Well ah well I’ve already got my assembly guy up the coast. You know I’ve already got my assembly guy for what board assembled you know? So so’s no problem. Um, hey I’ve got one I’ve got one in the business park here. There’s an assembly house in the business park here. You know I can just walk. 09:55.56 chrisgammell And come down I can do some videos and yeah may okay, they go? Yeah, Okay, sure sure. Okay. No there you go Boom done. Okay, So what’s the problem here Man just go talk to that person again. 10:11.63 Dave Down the road and have my boards assembled. It’s not the same. You know what I’m making myself Anyway, yeah so um, yes I was all hyped about that. 10:19.58 chrisgammell Okay, well. 10:24.58 Dave And was all ready to go. You know I was planning my trip I was checking out you know, ah you know prices to hire utes and stuff that you know I was like I was going to go yeah know and like I was happy to pay the original price like if he wanted to haggled on the price I would have paid the full price right? And um, yeah, and he just know Damn it. 10:38.92 chrisgammell Um. 10:43.48 Dave So that one fell through and like and they’re so rare here. That’s the problem right? Yeah, yeah, well you can buy secondhand pick and place machines here, but you get them through like there’s 1 or 2 big dealers and no, you’ll be paying 20 grand for one so you won’t be able to get like a used desktop one for. 10:45.16 chrisgammell And yeah, yeah I think that’s the thing they haven’t been imported right. 10:56.30 chrisgammell Um I see oh. 11:02.88 Dave You know under 5 grand no isn’t gonna happen. So this was yeah rare as hens teeth, especially one with that many feeders and I think they were genuine yamaha feeders. So who you know anyway. Ah boy I don’t know whether I should just go for it and yeah. 11:12.95 chrisgammell If yeah. Oh well, there goes that dream I think you should just build some honestly you should just build something I think you got to you got to get those muscles flexing again you know think about it like the gym right? This is your couch to five K but it’s a couch to building this all icon of widget. Yeah yeah I like build something like. 11:22.56 Dave Yeah. 11:29.54 Dave And bill as in build something or actually design a product you talking to build build in right. 11:…
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