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    The All Turtles Podcast

    Exploring the provocative ways startup founders, product creators, and AI experts are solving real problems today. The cofounders of All Turtles, a global AI product company, and their guests share insights and advice about entrepreneurship and the AI industry.

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    Bonus 01: Round Midnight Jun 20, 2018
    Show notes

    Drawn to Paris for its burgeoning startup scene, your hosts speak with Edoardo Manitto, Managing Director of All Turtles Paris, on the eve of our Paris office opening. La Ville-Lumière (The City of Lights) is home to highly-skilled talent, smart investors, and a visa program that welcomes skilled immigrants. The first AT Paris product teams hail from across Europe and are addressing such problems as sexual harassment, language learning, and home security. All Turtles Paris is located at Station F.

    Show notes

    The All Turtles crew finds itself in Paris (1:22)

    Conversation with Edoardo Manitto, Managing Director of All Turtles Paris (1:46)

    The new All Turtles website! (3:50)

    All Turtles Paris is based at Station F (4:55)

    Xavier Niel, Station F, and 42 (6:51)

    All Turtles Podcast Episode 27 featuring of 42

    Goals for All Turtles Paris (7:20)

    5 active product teams in Europe: Leade.rs, FastForward.ai, Sunflower Labs, Spot, and Chatterbox (8:24)

    The startup scene in Paris (12:35)

    All Turtles partnership with Bpifrance (13:44)

    All Turtles Paris job openings (16:45)

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    032: Galaxy Quest Jun 13, 2018
    Show notes

    Science fiction has long inspired new technologies, from robots to flip phones to artificial intelligence and more. Yet it's provocative to consider that sci-fi is more often descriptive than predictive. Dystopias can reflect contemporary fears and biases. Utopias may contain robot characters more developed than women characters. Still, the clear path from imagined worlds to today's tech products is worth celebrating. Speaking of which, this episode marks the end of Season 1. Thanks for listening.

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:12)

    Conversation with Brittney Gallagher, host and executive producer of Digital Culture LA (2:02)

    Brittney's show on KPFK (2:02)

    "Science fiction is not predictive; it is descriptive." - Ursula Le Guin (4:54)

    Left Hand of Darkness by Ursula Le Guin (7:30)

    Social science fiction explained (9:29)

    Foundation by Isaac Asimov (9:41)

    1984 by George Orwell (9:48)

    The Handmaid's Tale by Margaret Atwood (9:49)

    Brave New World by Aldous Huxley (11:07)

    Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury (11:08)

    The Call of Cthulhu by H.P. Lovecraft (11:52)

    The Rats in the Walls by H.P. Lovecraft (13:45)

    Anathem by Neal Stephenson (16:56)

    We by Yevgeny Zamyatin (19:33)

    I, Robot by Isaac Asimov (20:21)

    Evernote's Three Laws of Data Protection (21:35)

    Dune by Frank Herbert (25:36)

    Ready Player One (30:35)

    The Matrix (30:35)

    Snow Crash by Neal Stephenson (32:31)

    The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy by Douglas Adams (34:43)

    Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, which referenced transparent aluminum and voice commands for computers (35:05)

    Listener questions (41:29)

    You missed the obvious question, given your clear commitment to it: What impact is 42 having on diversity in the pipeline for developers? (42:05)

    Can you share your thinking on blockchain for business? Various comments on the show give a negative impression of the technology. While it was created to support cryptocurrency, there are possible uses for various business scenarios. For example, procurement agreements that require definitive validation and perhaps an alternative to PGP servers for email encryption that would require storing a public key on a blockchain. (44:43)

    David Mazières' white paper on the Stellar Consensus Protocol (48:02)

    Jessica's graphic novel Adventures in Galactic Consensus (48:15)

    End of Season One: Thank you (50:35)

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    031: (Don't) Say Anything Jun 06, 2018
    Show notes

    When Gmail says, "It seems like you forgot to attach a file," that precise phrasing is the result of careful deliberation by a design team. It's one example Erika Hall gives in her book Conversational Design. She explains her work as "designing with words" rather than literary writing, and asserts that collaboration by designers, writers, and engineers is required for meaningful user experiences. Listener questions address previous episodes about Duplex and, our favorite scapegoat, blockchain.

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:12)

    Purchase Conversational Design by Erika Hall on A Book Apart (0:30)

    Purchase Conversational Design by Erika Hall on Amazon (0:30)

    Netflix's company culture (0:37)

    Patty McCord's slide deck: "You should try to build a great company to be from."

    Discussion with Erika Hall (2:41)

    Erika Hall, cofounder of Mule Design Studio

    The importance of non-verbal signs in communication (12:54)

    Lightweight prototyping of communication interaction as part of design process and concept of minimal viable conversation (17:18)

    How does reading poetry help someone become a conversational designer? (19:08)

    William Carlos Williams: The Red Wheelbarrow (19:21)

    Should it ever be ok for a computer to pretend to be a human? (21:49)

    All the ways to interact with Amazon: "Amazon's Quest for Global Domination" (video, Wall Street Journal) (24:33)

    Rev. Walter Ong, Jesuit teacher and scholar of language (New York Times) (26:11)

    Listener questions (28:47)

    You came out strongly against Duplex. Can you explain why for someone who would like to be sympathetic to your viewpoint? I feel like I missed chapter 1-5 on what is so wrong with what they did. (29:03)

    Episode 29 of the All Turtles Podcast featured a discussion on Duplex. (29:03)

    I don't understand the reference to blockchain in episode 28. Can you explain? (31:00)

    Episode 28 of the All Turtles Podcast featured the taxonomy discussion (31:03)

    We want to hear from you

    Please send us your comments, suggested topics, and questions for future episodes:

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    030: Antitrust May 30, 2018
    Show notes

    You may have received a slew of emails about GDPR last week. The new regulations seek to protect users' privacy and took effect on May 25 across the EU. GDPR has guidelines on how long companies can keep users' data, how they use it, and how they explain their requests for personal information. And because it's the "World" Wide Web, standards set in Europe will impact companies everywhere. We also celebrate All Turtles' one-year anniversary, and respond to suggestions about AI impersonating humans.

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:38)

    Discussion: GDPR (0:56)

    What is GDPR and why should you care? (Wired) (1:53)

    Mark Zuckerberg's apology to the EU (8:55)

    Guy Verhofstadt's comments to Zuckerberg: "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates who have enriched our world and societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and our societies. That is a question you have to put to yourself." (9:43)

    Zuckerberg avoided tough questions thanks to short EU question format (12:40)

    All Turtles' Anniversary (19:49)

    Spot: replace workplace harassment and discrimination without talking to a human (22:31)

    Disco: effortless recognition and rewards - appreciate employees right where work happens (22:32)

    Butter: the smart, secure way for teammates to search across work apps (22:33)

    Taxonomy discussion for early-stage products in episode 28 (23:48)

    The Silicon Valley method isn't enough: a better way to build products

    (24:57)

    Discussion: Use cases where human-impersonating AI could be beneficial (27:47)

    It would be very useful for people who have social anxiety, selective mutism, or other disorders that make it very difficult for them to interact verbally with other people. Having a human-impersonating voice assistant would allow them to practice in a realistic way without feeling these anxieties. (29:48)

    Improving interactions of ALS patients. (30:48)

    An elderly person in a retirement home who is depressed and needs social interaction may benefit from a human-sounding voice assistant. (31:39)

    Listener questions (35:49)

    Bank of America is launching a virtual assistant they're calling Erica. Why are they trying to make Erica sound human? Does the world really need another female voice assistant (e.g. Alexa, Siri, Cortana, etc.)? (36:01)

    What's the role of this podcast in growing your studio? Do you recommend that startups do their own podcasts? (39:28)

    We want to hear from you

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    029: No Reservations May 23, 2018
    Show notes

    When we allow artificial intelligence to impersonate humans, what kind of precedent does that set? It's one of the questions that was raised after Google unveiled Duplex, and in this episode our hosts consider what the implications of this technology might be. They also ask whether there should be new rules for grammar and speech when speaking with machines. Listener questions include the upcoming book club discussion and our favorite podcasts.

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:11)

    Laurel or Yanny? (Video) (1:05)

    Discussion: Google Duplex (1:22)

    Google I/O, the company's annual developer conference (1:35)

    Sundar Pichai demoing Duplex (video) (1:56)

    Google's statement after Duplex controversy (4:48):

    "We understand and value the discussion around Google Duplex -- as we've said from the beginning, transparency in the technology is important. We are designing this feature with disclosure built-in, and we'll make sure the system is appropriately identified. What we showed at I/O was an early technology demo, and we look forward to incorporating feedback as we develop this into a product." -- May 11, 2018

    Pichai's blog post about Duplex (5:10)

    Microsoft's Speech Devices SDK demo (video) (6:13)

    Discussion: How does All Turtles define practical AI? (15:08)

    IBM's 5 attributes of useful AI (18:18)

    Discussion: levels of formality for speaking to an AI (23:15)

    Listener questions

    When will you be airing the book club discussion on Erika Hall's Conversational Design? (29:00)

    Answer: Episode 31!

    What are your favorite podcasts? (30:15)

    The Daily, a daily news podcast from the New York Times (30:29)

    Reply All, a podcast about the internet (31:03)

    Pod Save America, a podcast about politics from former aides to President Obama (31:21)

    Reveal, a podcast from the Center for Investigative Reporting and PRX (32:31)

    Reveal's money laundering episode (32:41)

    Desert Oracle Radio (32:58)

    We want to hear from you

    Please send us your comments, suggested topics, and questions for future episodes:

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    Twitter: @allturtlesco with hashtag #askAT

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    028: Field of Dreams May 16, 2018
    Show notes

    In this episode, we reveal All Turtles' highly scientific approach to classifying early-stage products: the Flying-shoe, the Costner, and the Play-doh. We also examine the most common reasons for failure -- and success -- of these products. Along the way, we describe being insulted by chatbots and how to improve Netflix recommendations.

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:13)

    Everyday encounters with artificial intelligence (3:03)

    Phil: Making an online restaurant reservation (3:52)

    Resy app - "The conversation has ended."

    Jessica: Text messaging with a political action program that uses a bot (8:30)

    Blaise: Netflix recommendations (13:51)

    How to create separate Netflix profiles for more accurate suggestions

    The All Turtles taxonomy for early-stage products and their potential failure points (15:20)

    1. The Blockchain - it's not solving a real problem (18:38)
    2. Flying Shoe - Whoa, is it possible?! (19:27)

    Failure modalities:

    • DaVinci - Can be imagined, but it can't be built (21:06)
    • Jetpack - Doesn't deliver on its promise (22:10)
    • H.W. Bush - Already exists and we just didn't know about it (22:43)
    1. Costner - Totally possible! But if you build it, will they come? (24:27)

    Failure modalities:

    • Waterworld - Too long to get to market and costs too much money (25:00)
    • Golf - Boring and we don't care (e.g. ad tech use case) (25:27)
    • New Coke - There's already a better version of this (26:40)
    • Timeshare - No plausible exit or sustainable financial path forward (27:24)
    • Segway - People don't actually want it (28:30)
    1. Play-Doh - What is it? How will it work? What's the experience like? (30:04)

    Failure modalities:

    • No particular failure modalities, but the product idea must become a Flying Shoe or a Costner to continue (31:19)

    Spot: record and report workplace harassment (32:30)

    Listener questions (35:42)

    What does the crew find most useful in building a customer base as a product is introduced and gains traction? (35:55)

    In mystical episode 23, you mentioned you're hiring. As a developer myself, finding awesome people to hire is always a challenge. Can you talk a bit about your hiring process? How do you interview technical people? (39:07)

    We want to hear from you

    Please send us your comments, suggested topics, and questions for future episodes:

    Email: hello@all-turtles.com

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    027: The Hitchhiker's Guide to Programming School May 09, 2018
    Show notes

    Imagine if you could skip college and learn to program for free. Kwame Yamgnane, co-founder and managing director of 42 Silicon Valley, joins this episode to describe how his school's tuition-free approach to coding instruction is disrupting higher education. Your hosts also examine the importance of physical dexterity when considering AI for IKEA furniture assembly and Tesla's manufacturing process. And drumroll, please: We announce our next book club selection. (Hint: It's not Norse Mythology.)

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:45)

    All Turtles Book Club selection (1:48)

    Conversational Design by Erika Hall (available for purchase at A Book Apart)

    Join the book discussion on the All Turtles subreddit.

    Discussion: AI, physical dexterity, and robotic automation (3:14)

    Robots assembling IKEA furniture (The Economist) (3:21)

    Elon Musk admits to excessive automation at Tesla factory (Futurism) (5:10)

    Elon Musk says that "humans are underrated" (The Next Web) (5:40)

    Video of trained eagles taking down drones (YouTube) (7:00)

    Video of drone dexterity from ETH Zurich (YouTube) (7:12)

    Guest: Kwame Yamgnane, managing director and co-founder of 42 Silicon Valley (12:02)

    42 Silicon Valley (12:08)

    42 Paris (20:40)

    42 Silicon Valley admissions (22:36)

    Documentary series Foundation about Station F, and part 1 of our analysis (31:07)

    Listener questions (36:54)

    Is Israel on All Turtles' roadmap? Why did you choose Paris and Tokyo as the next locations (other than San Francisco) for All Turtles offices? (37:08)

    I was wondering if you have an internship program, and if not, whether you plan to take on interns in the future? (40:01)

    We want to hear from you

    Please send us your comments, suggested topics, and questions for future episodes:

    Email: hello@all-turtles.com

    Twitter: @allturtlesco with hashtag #askAT

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    026: Crash May 02, 2018
    Show notes

    Public discourse around artificial intelligence continues to focus on self-driving cars, especially in the wake of fatal crashes. Yet data shows autonomous vehicles to be significantly safer than those controlled by people. One day, perhaps soon, the notion of human drivers will seem as absurd as child chimney sweeps. This episode also includes a rant about security questions, "advice to politicians" about immigration, and listener questions about All Turtles in Mexico City and Spot's research.

    Show Notes

    Welcome (0:46)

    Book club nominations (1:10)

    Vote for your book club choice on our Twitter poll:

    Blaise's pick: Thinking, Fast and Slow by Daniel Kahneman (1:16)

    Jessica's pick: Conversational Design by Erika Hall (1:58)

    Phil's pick: Norse Mythology by Neil Gaiman (2:27)

    Rant: The problem with security questions (3:16)

    Time to kill security questions -- or answer them with lies (Wired)

    Discussion: Self-driving cars and AI (6:36)

    How a self-driving Uber killed a pedestrian in Arizona (New York TImes) (6:41)

    Tesla: Autopilot was on during deadly Mountain View crash (San Jose Mercury News) (6:47)

    Advice to politicians: tariffs and immigration (17:16)

    Trump announces tariff on Chinese imports (CNN) (17:42)

    Trump wants to build a 30-ft-high wall at Mexican border (CNBC) (17:44)

    Coding school in Mexico for students who were pushed out of the U.S. (Wall Street Journal) (17:57)

    Coding bootcamps in Mexico (EdSurge) (17:57)

    Listener questions (26:57)

    The Mexican Entrepreneurship Association recommended you as the best incubator for AI projects. Do you cover Mexico City? If so, can one work remotely? (27:03)

    Mexican Entrepreneurship Association (28:29)

    Does Spot plan to make its research publicly available? It would be interesting to read statistics about harassment by industry, gender, age, etc. Whatever (if anything) is appropriate to share. (29:05)

    Episode 15: Conversation with Spot's Dr. Julia Shaw (29:07)

    Spot (31:00)

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    025: Testworld Apr 25, 2018
    Show notes

    Pundits and politicians are stirring up fears about an artificial intelligence "arms race" between nations. But AI projects should be judged by the products they develop and the problems they solve, rather than their countries of origin. Joining the show is UX expert Susan Farrell to discuss user testing and her paper, "Computer-Assisted Embarrassment."

    Show notes

    Welcome (0:42)

    Discussion: AI as an arms race between US and China (Russia, too) (1:48)

    China's plans to be world's leader in AI by 2030 (New York Times) (2:05)

    Putin: "Artificial intelligence is the future" (Wired) (2:30)

    China vs. the U.S. as an AI "showdown" (Technology Review) (2:45)

    China's remote-controlled vehicles (Defense News) (2:49)

    France's $1.8B to fund a national program around AI development (Reuters) (4:55)

    Macron positioning France to use AI for people, not companies (Technology Review) (5:04)

    Google employees want their company to withdraw from Pentagon contracts, AI being used in drones (New York Times) (8:22)

    Shameless plug: All Turtles Newsletter (12:30)

    Subscribe to the All Turtles newsletter here, for a weekly collection of news and analysis about AI and entrepreneurship, complete with AT job listings!

    Guest: Susan Farrell, UX Research and Strategy at All Turtles (13:13)

    Susan's paper Computer-Assisted Embarrassment (18:49)

    Listener questions (40:54)

    1. I'm a listener to your Podcast in South Africa. Do you work with non-profits? And how would you work with someone in South Africa? (40:58)

    Fast Forward, the accelerator for tech non-profits (43:40)

    1. Do you have any plan to visit Mexico or establish an office in Mexico? How should entrepreneurs in Mexico embrace artificial Intelligence? (45:22)

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    024: ZuckTales Apr 18, 2018
    Show notes

    Mark Zuckerberg's Congressional testimony left many people scratching their heads. Was it an earnest effort to explain Facebook's plans to prevent another Cambridge Analytica data scandal? Or was it part of a well-orchestrated apology tour? Riffing off Phil Libin's 7-step analysis of the Facebook hearings, your hosts reveal a fundamental problem with the social network's dependence on advertising and raise important questions about creating the kind of world we want to live in.

    Show notes

    Welcome (0:41)

    Submit book club suggestion to hello@all-turtles.com (1:50)

    Discussion: Mark Zuckerberg's Congressional testimony (2:41)

    Phil Libin's 7-point plan for making sense of Zuckerberg's Congressional testimony (LinkedIn post) (4:01)

    Day 1 Senate testimony: video link and transcript

    House testimony: video link and transcript

    1. The big picture (4:21)

    Hearing clip: "Yes or no, will you commit…?" (6:45)

    2. A review of Mark Zuckerberg's performance (8:05)

    Mark Zuckerberg couldn't stop mentioning his Harvard dorm room during Facebook testimony (Boston Globe) (10:48)

    Hearing clip: One of Mark Zuckerberg's "dorm room" mentions (10:51)

    3. Facebook's misaligned business model (12:01)

    Hearing clip: "My top priority has always been our social mission…" (13:25)

    Advertising comprises 97% of Facebook's revenue (Business Insider) (15:50)

    4. Fixes already underway (20:28)

    Was your data shared with Cambridge Analytica? (21:48)

    Hearing clip: "What is Facebook doing to prevent foreign actors from interfering in U.S. elections?" (24:48)

    Russians promoted about 130 rallies through 13-Russian linked pages (New York Times) (26:44)

    5. Should Facebook be regulated? (30:21)

    Hearing clip: "What do we tell our constituents, given what's happened here, why we should let you self-regulate?" (30:34)

    Facebook's most popular Black Lives Matter page was a scam run by a white Australian, report says (Washington Post) (36:11)

    6. Fake news and fake accounts (36:56)

    "Facebook had previously announced that $100,000 was spent on Facebook ads from June 2015 to May 2017 by Russian-linked disinformation sources, while an additional $50,000 was spent by Russians that signals indicate weren't or were only weakly connected to an organized disinformation campaign." (37:44)

    Trump and Clinton spent $81M on US election Facebook ads, Russian agency $46K (TechCrunch) (37:50)

    7. The problem of the attention economy (41:59)

    Hearing clip: "Let me outline the way that we approach fighting fake news." (42:05)

    Listener question (53:04)

    Submitted via the All Turtles subreddit:

    As AI gets better and better at analyzing data, and predicting patterns in humans, what happens to our sense of individuality? Is there a future in which AI and data mining will be predicting most of my decisions and outcomes? My generation has been told that we are all unique, and big data and AI seems to be learning and proving that we are all much less unique than maybe we've grown up believing. Do advancements in this field make us feel less like individuals?

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