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The Air Show

Jon Ostrower, Brian Sumers and Brett Snyder discuss the business of the sky on this aviation podcast.

Copyright: © 2024 The Air Show

Latest Episodes:

A321XLR - Revolution or Replacement? Nov 15, 2024

The A321XLR entered service with Iberia on November 14, and so begins the next generation of long-haul, narrowbody flying. Will this usher in an era of new and exciting routes or will it just end up being a 757 replacement? Brett, Brian, and Jon ponder that topic in this week's episode.
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Southwest's détente Oct 31, 2024

Is the drama over? Is this a ceasefire? An agreement to cooperate? Brett Snyder, Brian Sumers and Jon Ostrower discuss the recent détente between Southwest Airlines and Elliott Investment Management. Elliott gained five of Southwest's 13 board seats, and the two sides agreed to table the rest of their disagreements until Valentine's Day 2026. Will Southwest fix its revenue problem by then?
We would like to thank Rokt for sponsoring this episode.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Boeing still ain't going Oct 25, 2024

The Boeing strike continues. On Wednesday, 64% of machinists rejected Boeing's negotiated proposal, extending the strike indefinitely. Earlier that day, Boeing's third-quarter earnings revealed an expected $6.2 billion loss and an official delay until 2026 of the 777X. It's not great, for really anyone. Jon Ostrower discusses the dynamics here with Brian Sumers and Brett Snyder.
We would like to thank our sponsor, Intelsat.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

United's network: PDEWs and PQ Oct 17, 2024

United Airlines is making moves and announcing splashy new routes — the kind you might expect from an airline with a healthy balance sheet and an innovative network chief. And still, there were some surprise additions to United's plans. Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers discuss Patrick Quayle's approach, including the airline's out-of-the-box new routes from Newark and Tokyo Narita.
We would like to thank Rokt for sponsoring this episode.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

American and Southwest play opposites Oct 10, 2024

Brett Snyder and Jon Ostrower discuss Q2 2024 data for the domestic airline market. American Airlines faced significant challenges. Southwest, in contrast, actually did alright! This DOT data set also sheds light on the performance of new-ish ultra-low-cost carriers, Avelo and Breeze, which are privately held.
We would like to thank our sponsor, Intelsat.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Southwest is ready to change Oct 03, 2024

Brett Snyder recaps his trip to Dallas for Southwest Airlines' investor day, even though we already knew the news: assigned seating, expanded extra-legroom sections, and network changes, plus how Southwest is planning to improve productivity. And the big question: will all of this be enough to please Elliott Management, Southwest's activist investor?
We would like to thank our sponsors, Rokt and TCG Digital.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Alaska and Hawaiian: now what? Sep 25, 2024

Now that the U.S. government has approved the merger, Brett Snyder, Brian Sumers, and Jon Ostrower talk (and speculate) about how Alaska might navigate the logistics of acquiring Hawaiian. Alaska has a lot of work to do to combine the airlines' fleet, loyalty programs, and network strategy. It also needs to do something highly unusual for a U.S. airline — run two full-service brands on a single operating certificate.
We would like to thank our sponsors, Intelsat and TCG Digital.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

A strike lands at Boeing Sep 19, 2024

It was a busy week in the aviation world in the Pacific Northwest. We'll get to the Alaska-Hawaiian merger soon — this week Jon Ostrower, Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers talk about the strike by the largest group of workers at Boeing, the International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers (IAM). The strike, the first in 16 years, affects production on the 737, 767, and 777 lines. Boeing's financial response includes a hiring freeze, travel cuts, and furloughs (and more).
We would like to thank our sponsors, Rokt and TCG Digital.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Frequent flyer programs on notice Sep 12, 2024

The U.S. Department of Transportation informed the four biggest airlines it would like more information about their frequent flyer programs because it is concerned about hidden pricing, extra fees, devaluation of rewards and miles, and reduced competition. Brian Sumers, Brett Snyder and Jon Ostrower discuss DOT's apparent interest in this crucial aspect of the airline business, the timing (and the politics) of the inquiry, and the potential for regulatory intervention.
We would like to thank our sponsors, Intelsat and TCG Digital.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

The Airbus episode Sep 06, 2024

This week Jon Ostrower and Brian Sumers discuss Airbus — its history, its engineering and development strategies, and its approach toward sales. Ostrower and Sumers also explain how Airbus’ relentless desire to make its aircraft incrementally better over time has given it an advantage over Boeing (at least for now).
We would like to thank Ferrovial and TCG Digital for sponsoring The Air Show.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

The Air(mail) Show Aug 29, 2024

It's August and we've been on vacation recently, so our inbox is pretty stuffed with emails, feedback and questions from you. Brian Sumers and Brett Snyder read feedback from a former CEO (whose former company was the subject of a recent episode) and answer listeners' questions about the fate of ULCCs in Europe, Southwest's metal needs, exemplary C-suite behavior, and more.
We would like to thank Ferrovial and TCG Digital for sponsoring The Air Show.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

The Great Battle of Connecticut Aug 21, 2024

Avelo found a good thing in New Haven and grew into Hartford. Breeze had been in Hartford, but now it's going into New Haven. Despite these seemingly related movies, this might actually be about... JetBlue? Listen in to hear about this grand battle, and stay for the Revolutionary War history.
We would like to thank Ferrovial and TCG Digital for sponsoring The Air Show.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

The Air Show goes to an airshow Jul 31, 2024

Jon Ostrower spent time at this year's Farnborough International Airshow, and he brought back all kinds of knowledge to share. Who had the most orders (and does anyone care)? What airplane is going to be able to take off on its own? Who might very well be running Boeing by the time this episode goes live? It's all there this week.

A programming note: This is our last episode before a two week break. We'll be back the week of August 19.

We would like to thank Ferrovial and TCG Digital for sponsoring The Air Show.

Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

The ULCC cycle of death Jul 25, 2024

It is not looking great for ultra-low-cost carriers based in the U.S. — especially Frontier and Spirit. Brian Sumers and Brett Snyder discuss what's making business tough for the ULCCs, a dark prediction for the sector from a premium airline's CCO, and some possible solutions for these airlines.
We would like to thank TCG Digital for sponsoring The Air Show.
Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Alaska searches for light in winter Jul 18, 2024

Alaska Airlines is on a mission to do something about its dark, dismal winters (and no, we're not just talking about this past winter's foibles). The airline has been trying to figure out a profitable winter strategy that works for its West Coast-heavy network since its very gloomy 2023 Q1. Brian Sumers, Jon Ostrower and Brett Snyder discuss the new routes the airline announced this week, and what it forecasts for the U.S.'s fifth largest airline.
We would like to thank TCG Digital for sponsoring this episode.
Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Delta is still on top Jul 12, 2024

Delta had a strong second quarter and its executives were more talkative than usual about the state of the industry. Brian Sumers and Jon Ostrower discussed Delta's numbers, its fleet management and operations, and the issue of overcapacity in the US airline market.
We would like to thank TCG Digital for sponsoring this episode.
Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Can airlines learn from WestJet? Jul 02, 2024

The last twelve years have been a transformative era for WestJet — management has added complexity and made strategic decisions yielding mixed results for the current business climate. But it's a more interesting and complicated story than that, as Brian Sumers and Brett Snyder discuss.
We would like to thank TCG Digital for sponsoring this episode.
Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Boeing's unforced error Jun 28, 2024

Jon Ostrower talks with Brett Snyder about the two days he spent at Boeing this week, touring factories and walking the line and hearing from Boeing executives...and what happened when the NTSB heard what was going on. Visit theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Southwest faces its biggest challenge Jun 20, 2024

Weeks ago, we planned to discuss Southwest's underperformance — but so much has happened since then. Legacy-loving Southwest now has an activist investor, which bought more than 10 percent of company shares and has launched an effort to blow up the board and fire CEO Bob Jordan. Brett Snyder, Jon Ostrower and Brian Sumers discuss the post-pandemic state of Southwest that likely led Elliott Investment Management to make this play for control, and the play itself. Questions, comments, or suggestions? Get in touch with us: theairshowpodcast.com

The IATA AGM report + Ben Smith interview Jun 13, 2024

Jon Ostrower and Brian Sumers interview Air France-KLM CEO Ben Smith, and they catch up with Brett Snyder about this year's IATA annual general meeting — how useful it is as an observer of the industry, the elevator interactions with airline executives (the good, the bad and the very awkward), and Enrique Iglesias.

The Scott Kirby interview Jun 03, 2024

United CEO Scott Kirby joins Brian Sumers and Jon Ostrower for a wide-ranging interview from the IATA general meeting in Dubai. Kirby discussed Boeing and the duopoly of airplane manufacturers, his outlook on United's competitors and U.S.-based ULCCs, and his analysis of United's success.
We would like to thank Anuvu for their sponsorship of The Air Show.
Questions, responses or feedback? Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

The spectacular failure of American's commercial strategy May 30, 2024

Vasu Raja — American's chief commercial officer who remade the airline's distribution strategy and network to less-than-stellar performance — is now out of a job. What happens next? Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers discuss Raja's ouster, the unfinished projects that will be left for his successor and CEO Robert Isom, and more.
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Searching for the new Frontier May 23, 2024

As cost-conscious airline passengers increasingly trade up for tickets on legacy carriers, what's a ULCC to do? Brian Sumers, Jon Ostrower and Brett Snyder discuss the new strategies Frontier Airlines is adopting in the face of this trend: new fare families to match the legacy airlines, changes to its network, and its fleet strategy (and order book).

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What’s Next For Embraer May 16, 2024

The Brazilian manufacturer has a decision to make. Should it focus on what it already does well, including regional jets, small narrowbodies, and business jets? Or should it take a chance and build a bigger airplane that might compete directly with the 737 and A320 families? Jon Ostrower and Brian Sumers discuss Embraer’s dilemma in this week’s episode.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Uplift for their sponsorship of The Air Show.
Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Don't call them airlines May 09, 2024

JSX and Contour have completely different business models, but they both have something in common. They are able to take advantage of a loophole that allows them to run their operations more flexibly in terms of pilots, security, and more under Parts 135 and 380. The industry is divided on whether this is good or bad, but it has generated some real debate in Washington. Jon Ostrower and Brett Snyder talk about what's happening as well as the pros and cons.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Uplift for their sponsorship of The Air Show.
Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

American's puzzlingly rigid journey to remake distribution May 02, 2024

American Airlines has a bold, new strategy that forgoes managed corporate bookings for direct bookings while remaking its entire sales effort. With the first quarter over and done, how is that plan-turned-strategy working out so far? This week, Brian Sumers, Brett Snyder and Jon Ostrower discuss the first indicators of American's grand plan.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Uplift for their sponsorship of The Air Show.
Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

Airlines are 'Boeing-level angry' about Pratt & Whitney Apr 25, 2024

It's not just Boeing that's causing acute headaches for airlines. Pratt & Whitney's geared turbofan engine, which has been in operation since 2016 on Airbus single-aisle aircraft, has serious issues with reliability and durability, and a seriously long MRO timeline. The engine itself is an innovation — a major leap in fuel efficiency, which will only become more necessary — but will these issues threaten Pratt & Whitney's comeback? Make airlines more risk-averse when innovation is sorely needed? Create a RASM-related silver lining? That's what Jon Ostrower, Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers discuss on this week's episode.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Uplift for their sponsorship of The Air Show.
Visit www.theairshowpodcast.com to get in touch with us.

United and Delta: a class all their own Apr 18, 2024

Two U.S. airlines have reported earnings so far, and it's United and Delta: two airlines that increasingly have a lot in common. Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers discuss the numbers each airline reported, and what they shared about corporate travel, the summer travel season forecast, the importance of brand and reliability, and more.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Uplift for their sponsorship of The Air Show.

A tale of two cities Apr 11, 2024

Or: what happened in Boston and Seattle when Delta established hubs there. Brett Snyder, Brian Sumers and Jon Ostrower discuss how Alaska defended its turf against Delta, and how JetBlue faltered when Delta expanded in Boston. The particulars of each city — their changing economies and corporate needs, their specific brand loyalty, and regional feed and fleet — make an interesting case study.
We would like to thank Plusgrade for their sponsorship of The Air Show.

India rising Apr 04, 2024

Jon Ostrower and Brian Sumers discuss the current moment in Indian aviation, focusing on the two largest carriers in the market. At Air India, Campbell Wilson, a former top executive of Singapore Air, is tasked to remake the flag carrier under new private ownership. Pieter Elbers, the former CEO of KLM, now leads the very profitable and market-dominant IndiGo, despite growing pains. Brian and Jon also discuss the forces that are perhaps containing the growth of the Indian market: infrastructure, aircraft availability, and competitors in the Middle East.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Intelsat for their sponsorship of The Air Show.

The Boeing episode Mar 28, 2024

Jon Ostrower recaps and explains a very tumultuous week at Boeing: a shake-up in its executive leadership, prompted by the leadership of four U.S. airlines deciding it was time to bypass the C-suite and ask for a meeting with Boeing's board. Jon discusses those developments and what's ahead for Boeing with Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers.
You can read Jon's reporting on Boeing here.
We would like to thank Plusgrade and Intelsat for their sponsorship of The Air Show.

Does JetBlue have a real plan? Mar 21, 2024

Brett Snyder and Brian Sumers discuss the recent moves of JetBlue and the early signs of what the airline's new leadership is planning, post-NEA and post-Spirit. Jon Ostrower joins from the road to discuss JetBlue's varied fleet.
We would like to thank Intelsat for their sponsorship of The Air Show.

Welcome to The Air Show Mar 13, 2024

Three top commentators/reporters on the business of aviation and airlines join forces in this new podcast. Jon Ostrower (The Air Current), Brian Sumers (The Airline Observer) and Brett Snyder (Cranky Flier) introduce themselves and this new podcast focusing on the business of the sky, and discuss how the industry has come through the pandemic.
We would like to thank Intelsat for being our launch sponsor.

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