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EP 112: At The Expense Of No One Else Oct 23, 2023

In this episode, we talk about Palestine. We discuss the experiences we’ve both had in the online space as we’ve spoken up about Palestinian Liberation, and the misinformation and disinformation we’ve seen.

We talk about Genocide and the role of government policies, imperialism, and the need to separate governments from the people. We explore the language of violence and how it becomes a tool of communication when oppressed populations are pushed to the limit.

We also offer some recommendations for how to navigate conversations, filtering through and discerning media and news updates in realtime and more.

Listen to the full episode to hear:

- Defining Genocide and Its Realities

- Power Dynamics of the Oppressor

- Challenging Performative Allyship

- Understanding True Liberation

- Language and The Importance of Context

Support the show on Patreon:

- patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Links and Resources:

- EP 19: From Ally To Accomplice

- EP 110: Collective Revolution - Gabor Mate on Palestine & Israel:

- IG CLIP

- Full Interview

Louiza "Weeze" Doran:

- www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

- www.accordingtoweeze.com/

Trudi Lebron:

- www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

- www.trudilebron.com/

Ep 111: Navigating Differences and Building Relationships Oct 05, 2023

In this conversation, we examine the feedback we received from those who tuned in to Episode 110. From that lens, we offer you suggestions on how to navigate differences and conflict that can inevitably arise in relationships; and what to keep in mind as you are navigating. We offer you indicators of potential obstacles within creating reciprocal relationships, and tips on how to recognize if someone is even on the same page as you.

We also discuss how undertones in language used within the feedback we received carry connotations and characterizations related to identities we hold (read more about that in Weeze’s Substack linked below).

Listen to the full episode to hear:

- The Differences Between Intellectual Debate and Values Mismatch

- Holding Space for Conflict in Relationships

- Practicing Restoration and Redemption

- Conflict is not always rupture

- Life having no trigger warnings

Links and Resources:

- We are more than intimidating - Weeze’s Substack Piece

- The Coaches Forum, Hartford, CT

- Reclaiming Redemption Culture

- Unpacking the Concept of Safe Space

P.s. Join us in Hartford for a special That’s Not How That Works Salon at the Coaches Forum!!!

Ep 110: A Silent Depression and A Collective Revolution Sep 21, 2023

On this episode, we explore the concept of radical change and long-term strategies for social and political transformation, centered on economic shifts geared towards an equitable and communal future. We dissect revolutionary movements, and dream up (in real time) what bringing about change would look like and require of us on an individual and collective basis while centering the most marginalized in our society.

We explore the current societal Silent Depression that many are talking about on social media and how it ties into our work, what is so, and how it impacts access to basic needs, and the issues it creates within communities already navigating hardship.

Also, note, like Vida shares at the top of this episode, peep it all the way through to get the fullness of the conversation. Trudi and Weeze engage in very real debate within this episode, and we’d love for it to be an offering to your journey of learning to engage with differing opinions in reciprocal, healthy and love centered ways.

Listen to the full episode to hear:

- The Concept of Radical Change and Cultivating long-term strategies for Social and Political Transformation

- The Uses and Impacts of Generational Ideological Indoctrination within Privileged Communities and What We Can learn from this Strategy

- Practical Challenges and the Constraints of Real-World Change

- Ownership and Agency within the Housing Market

- Political Sabotage of Transformative Movements

- The Importance of Challenging the Dominant Success Metric that revolves around Financial Wealth

Support the show on Patreon: http://patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: www.trudilebron.com/Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 109: Reclaiming Redemption Culture Sep 07, 2023

In this latest episode, we delve deeper into the topics we explored in our previous discussion, where we analyzed Lizzo's lawsuit as a revealing case study on cognitive bias, personal agency, and the intricacies of celebrity culture. Our focus shifts to envisioning alternative resolutions for grievances through the lens of equity and liberation, and one compelling avenue we explore is the concept of redemption culture.

Join us as we unravel the origins of redemption culture, tracing its evolution from a community centered practice to its harmful co-opting and weaponization. We navigate the complexities of how to reclaim and embody redemptive interpersonal relationships, both within business and our personal lives. Throughout the episode, we offer practical insights to help you engage with the discourse surrounding what's often termed as cancel culture.

Key Themes Explored:

Distinguishing Accountability and Redemption Culture from Cancel Culture
The Appropriation of Indigenous Practices
Cancel Culture as an Evasion of Responsibility
Unveiling the Underlying Goals of Cancel Culture, Both Implicit and Explicit
The Roots and Evolution of Woke
Dissecting the Vilification of Equity, Social Justice, and Racial Justice Movements
Exploring the Dynamics of Restorative Justice in Personal Relationships
Unpacking the Ecology, Traditions, and Motivations of Cancel Culture

Support the show on Patreon: http://patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: www.trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 108: Cognitive Bias, Agency and Celebrity Aug 17, 2023

In this conversation, we delve into the complexities surrounding Lizzo's status as a celebrity, influencer, and the blurred lines between the two. We examine the cognitive biases and reactions that arise when individuals are both fans and critics of influential figures like Lizzo. The discussion navigates through the challenges of holding celebrities to varying standards, especially when personal affinity is involved. We explore the tendency to excuse or rationalize the actions of public figures, and how this behavior can affect the perception of their potential wrongdoings. We offer insights into the cognitive biases that lead to character attacks on accusers and the impact of intersectionality in shaping public responses to allegations. As we dissect the Lizzo lawsuit, we raise questions about workplace culture, social norms, and the dynamic between personal beliefs and collective expectations.

Support the show on Patreon:

http://patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Links and Resources: Ep. 66: When breaking social contracts break the internet: https://pod.link/1358150402/episode/03cf12f240a8d3a314bb56983c0a48ee

The Forum With Trudi: http://equitycenteredcoaching.com/forum

PYP With Weeze: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/pyp2

Learn more about Trudi Lebron:

Website: www.trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/

Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran:

Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 107: Culture vs Cultural Appropriation Aug 03, 2023

People of all identities connect through shared culture, whether it’s language, region, or a subculture like hip hop. So who gets to decide what culture you have access to and can claim as yours? What makes an expression of culture “authentic?” We’re digging into culture versus cultural appropriation, the difference between culture and race, the impact of socio-cultural environment on expression, and why critiques and call-outs aren’t always helpful or necessary. Listen to the full episode to hear: Make It Make Sense: Why are we one-upping each other about wildfires? The difference between caricaturizing Black womanhood and expressing your natural tone, cadence, and vernacular How race and culture all too often get conflated How callouts without context reinforce the notion of racial monoliths How enforcing and upholding racial stereotypes is a product of white supremacy culture Who actually gets to call out cultural appropriation and whether a cultural representation is authentic or performative Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks Links and Resources: Nina Lin on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@n.nina666 Madonna Might Be An Appropriator…But You Don’t Have to Be: https://pod.link/1358150402/episode/be1bfa8a2cb2944b9296335a49787156 Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: www.trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 106: Ja Morant: What Healing, Justice, and Repair Looks Like Jul 20, 2023

Today, we’re getting into the world of professional sports. Ja Morant is a basketball player for the Memphis Grizzlies who has been in the news this year for multiple incidents of misconduct and erratic behavior and was suspended from multiple NBA games, including his most recent bout of cryptic messages on social media that led to a welfare check by Tennessee police. But what we want to talk about is how we can reframe these events and their aftermath in a more liberatory, anti-oppressive way. Content note: this episode will contain discussion of guns and gun culture Listen to the full episode to hear: A brief history of Morant’s misconduct and why the morality clause in his contract matters more than whether he broke any laws How public perception and brand management shape the consequences of actions like Morant’s How systemic oppression and limited opportunities lead to athletes being upheld as role models when they shouldn’t necessarily be Why it matters that Morant is only 23 The NBA’s evolving response to gun culture in the last decade A youth development approach to handling these kinds of cases that actually supports the person in making change Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: www.trudilebron.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louiza “Weeze” Doran: Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 105: Unpacking the Concept of Safe Space Jul 06, 2023

“This is a safe space.” It’s a common refrain, but what does it mean to be and to create safe spaces? And who gets to decide what is safe? Too often, declaring a space “safe” means being resistant to the discomfort of being challenged or held accountable. We’re digging into safe spaces, how the term has been defanged in popular discourse, and creating spaces that honor everyone’s humanity, while remaining open to challenging conversations, transparency, and accountability. Listen to the full episode to hear: -Why our spaces need to acknowledge and honor the humanity of everyone present -Why safe spaces need to leave room for challenges and accountability -Defining a safe space as a container for a exploration, practice, and transformation happening in community -How the popularization of the term has taken it from safe to soft -Why safe spaces require co-creation, reciprocity, and community agreements -Why consuming someone’s content doesn’t make them responsible for your safety -How aversion to conflict stalls social movements -Why Brene Brown’s definition of a safe space falls so short Support the show on Patreon: -patreon.com/nothowthatworks Links and Resources: -Shawn Ginwright -Ep 29: When Glennon Doyle's Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong -Mellody Hobson: Color blind or color brave? | TED Talk -Ep. 94: So You Wanna Talk About Accountability Learn more about Trudi Lebron: ⁃ Website: www.trudilebron.com/ ⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louzia "Weeze" Doran: ⁃ Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ ⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

Ep 104: Reimagining The Path Forward Jun 22, 2023

And we’re back! It’s been a minute since we released an episode, so we’re going to catch you up on where we’ve been, how we got here, and what’s coming up for this iteration of the show as we return to our roots of applying our equity and liberation lens to what’s happening in the wider world. Listen to the full episode to hear: ⁃ Our evolution from Hey, Auntie to the coaching and personal development world and back to broader critique ⁃ How Trudi has shifted her work to creating opportunities to reach and impact more people, and why the podcast is a part of that ⁃ Why we need to be willing to get curious and have nuanced conversations about the path forward ⁃ How the show is reflecting Weeze’s realization that she needed to zoom out on how she was getting through the day-to-day ⁃ Why we’re pivoting away from discussing the coaching industry Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks Links and Resources: ⁃ If I Were a Fish: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx_vMONe3tM Learn more about Trudi Lebron: ⁃ Website: trudilebron.com/ ⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louza "Weeze" Doran: ⁃ Website: www.accordingtoweeze.com/ ⁃ Instagram: www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/

That's Not How That Works Trailer Jun 22, 2023

It’s easy to look at the day’s headlines and think: That’s not how things are supposed to work! Contempt for the planet. Fear of the other. Rampant inequity. Multi-billionaires in space. But we’ve got news: this is exactly how things are supposed to work. The systems that spin out scarcity, hate, and injustice are working exactly as they were designed to. Our goal is to reveal those systems—not just the ones embedded in our politics and culture but also in our minds—and explore the ways we can start to do things differently. We started this podcast to create a space to shine a light on all of the equity problems that we were seeing in the personal development and online business space. And after 103 episodes of critiquing and providing actionable solutions to this niche audience, we’re zooming out. Today, the project sounds a little different. The scaffolding of oppression is at work everywhere. In current events—from economic news to celebrity gossip, from not-so-random acts of violence to radical culture-making and everything in between. Collective liberation comes from our willingness to confront uncomfortable truths, build community, understand the interconnectedness of our humanity, and reimagine our way forward. There’s a path of possibility ahead of us as long as we can agree that this isn’t how things have to work. That’s Not How That Works brings you a real, unscripted, nuanced critique of the world available on all podcast platforms, so make sure to follow or subscribe on your podcast app of choice. And you can support the show by rating, leaving us a review, sharing the show, and joining us on Patreon for as little as $2 per month - that’s patreon.com/nothowthatworks We hope that you’re as excited as we are about the new format and vibe of the show. Learn more about Trudi Lebron: Website: https://trudilebron.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/trudilebron/ Learn more about Louzia "Weeze" Doran: Website: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/accordingtoweeze/ Support the show on Patreon: patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Vignette 5: You're Invited to eXpand Mar 10, 2023

In this episode Weeze and Trudi wrap up are series with a special invitation to eXpand. eXpansion is the process of liberation, personal exploration, equity, and transformation of our personal and social futures, and for the first time in three years, they are partnering up to facilitate this journey in a 4-month container that you are invited to. For all the details visit: www.yourinvitetoexpand.com

Vignette 4: Defining Your Destination Mar 10, 2023

If liberation isn't the goal, or destination (as we covered in vignette 3) then what is? In this vignette Weeze & Trudi share the next step in the process of personal liberation and expansion, defining the destination.

Vignette 3: Liberation is a Process, Not a Destination Mar 08, 2023

In this vignette, Weeze and Trudi explore reframing the concept of liberation from a destination or goal, to a process and practice.

Vignette 2: Reimagining what's possible Mar 07, 2023

In this episode we talk about the importance of reimagining what's possible in our lives, in our work, our world, and more. Weeze and Trudi have been on a reimagining journey of their own, both when it comes to their personal and collaborative work. We'll continue to talk about why reimagining is an important process in liberation and anti-oppression work.

Vignette 1: We're going Rouge... Mar 07, 2023

Trudi and Weeze are going rouge and have decided to release a 5-part minisode to catch you up, and bring you up to speed and where we're at and where we're going, The basics: That's Not How That Works is coming back with a new team, an upleved vibe, and expanded vision of the future... and we want you to come with us. We have big plans and we'd love for you to join us. Take a screenshot of the episode, share it to Instagram @trudilebron and @accordingtoweeze to skip ahead and get even more details about what we're up to and how can be down :)

Ep. 103: It’s not goodbye, the world is just on fire Mar 17, 2022

The world is on fire, y’all and there’s so much to unpack both globally and personally. There are actual wars going on—the war on the Black and queer communities as well as voting rights here in the U.S. happening simultaneously with the war in Ukraine—and some major life and business changes for us as well. So we’re gonna take a little break, y’all. But before we go, don’t miss today’s episode where we’re breaking down all of this, sharing updates on our lives and the podcast, and leaving you with some things to do and ruminate on while we’re gone to make things more equitable in YOUR world. Let’s explore: - What bothers us particularly about the war in Ukraine - Some small things you can do that can make massive shifts for people - The changes Weeze has been making in her business to make things more accessible and equitable (and an invitation to rethink your own business practices as well!) - Why we’re stepping away from the podcast (temporarily!) - Trudi’s big news Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anti-Racist Business Book For the full story on Weeze’s eye condition, go back and listen to Ep. #102: Your Urgency is Not my Emergency Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 102: Your Urgency is Not My Emergency Mar 03, 2022

It's been an interesting and exhausting couple of weeks, y'all! But wanna know what’s REALLY been chapping our asses lately? Then you don’t want to miss today’s episode where Trudi and Weeze are breaking down the expectations (and massive misconceptions) that come from the kind of work that we do, THIS thing that’s happening with the language of anti-racism and anti-oppression, and why more than ever it's important to give people the space to be human. We're unpacking: The imaginary social contracts between high visibility figures and those receiving their free service (and why it’s bullshit) What to do if you’re on either end of this imaginary social contract How to balance doing DEI work and taking care of yourself Why Weeze has been less active on social media lately Pre-order your copy of Trudi's book: The Anti-Racist Business Book Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Want to work with us? Find us here: Trudi: https://trudilebron.com/start/ Weeze: https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 101: Creating Space Feb 17, 2022

What does it cost to have the life you want? Really, it’s the life you have, right? In today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you examples of how we’re embodying this in our own personal and professional lives to let go of the old and create space for new priorities and projects both on a personal front and in our social justice work. Join us for some big news from Weeze, a secret from Trudi, what we’re most excited about this year, and what we’re actively creating space for. We’re exploring: - The different layers of social justice work (including the ones most people don’t think about!) - ONE place where a big change needs to happen to make a substantial shift in direct service social justice work - How we’ve shifted our schedules to create more space for the things that are important to us - Why we don’t worry about business pivots - How to really achieve your goal of balance between work and family Pre-order your copy of Trudi’s book: The Anit-Racist Business Book Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 100: Lessons From 100 Episodes Feb 03, 2022

Happy 100 episodes, y’all!! For this episode, Trudi & Weeze are reflecting on the past 100 episodes of the podcast and sharing the biggest lessons we’ve learned from it. Join us for a look back at how we got here, what’s changed for us and the podcast in the last 3 years, what we wish we had known about podcasting from the start, lessons we’ve learned about business partnerships, and what’s coming for the next 100. Become a patron: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 99.5: Protect Your Peace This Holiday Season (minisode) Dec 23, 2021

Hey y’all! Today, Trudi and Weeze are bringing you a special minisode before we break for the holidays. Listen in for what we’re celebrating as we wrap up 2021, what we’d love for you this holiday season, and how to prioritize your most important relationship.

Ep. 99: More on Social Justice Charlatans Dec 09, 2021

We just got done with Thanksgiving, and with it comes talk online of the need to “decolonize” the holiday, ditch the turkey, potatoes and get togethers and just make it a normal day. So y’all, it’s time to have a discussion of the tradition of Thanksgiving in the US, because although we aren’t arguing about the history of the holiday, we shouldn’t be throwing the whole tradition away. Join us in this episode for a breakdown of what parts are actually really important to melanated folks and those with marginalized identities, why we CAN’T actually decolonize the holiday, the healing elements to be found here, and what we think we should be doing instead of opting out of the whole thing. We’re exploring: -Something that really irks Trudi and why it’s NOT helpful when you do it -THIS practice that’s the main way you can spot the commodification of social justice -Why the advice to totally opt out of all Thanksgiving traditions is not only not helpful, but harmful (and what to do instead) -The reason that the BLM movement, anti-racism work, and anti-oppression work thrived during the pandemic -How illuminating something and shaming are different and where they’re similar (and why you need to be aware of this fine line!) -The difference between disruption and agitation and why it’s important to understand what these REALLY mean -And more! Grab your spot for the first LIVE That’s Not How That Works workshop in 2 years! The Commodification of Social Justice: https://weeze.teachable.com/p/cosj Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 98: Stop Doing THIS in Your Marketing Nov 25, 2021

Wanna know what’s really been chapping our asses lately?! In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are unpacking the issue happening way too frequently online: the serious misuse of this work as a part of social media or email marketing strategies to sell shit to people. Ready for a “come to Beyoncé” moment here? Then listen in, because we’re breaking it all down for you and bringing you what this looks like, who’s doing it (it’s not just white folks!), and 3 things to watch out for online before deciding to work with someone in this space. We’re exploring: Where we see this happening and why it’s so important to be on the lookout for it The appropriate and RIGHT way to do this work What you need to do before you can really step into the role of an expert The classic weapon of whiteness that some melanated folks are using, where it comes from, and why it needs to stop THESE words y’all need to stop using interchangeably (and why it matters) If the very first thing that comes out of someone’s mouth is THIS…it’s a big ass red flag A nifty list of previous episodes for you to dig deeper and get a full understanding of all of these things Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 97: The Power of Coming Home Nov 11, 2021

It’s that time of year again....and we don’t mean Christmas. With Halloween just a couple of weeks behind us and Thanksgiving around the corner, it’s time to dive back into the conversation around these holidays and break down some shit for y’all. In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down Halloween costumes and cultural appropriation, the ways white supremacy has harmed phenotypically white as well as marginalized folks, and what can happen when you make the effort to reconnect to where your ancestors came from. We’re exploring: Where cultural appropriation stems from The psychological and emotional resource that you lose when you trade in your ethnicity for whiteness What happens when you don’t have a connection to culture, history or family The question you should be asking yourself if you wanted to be one of THESE things for Halloween An opportunity for you to start unpacking some of this and help you start reconnecting to your actual ethnic identity A reframe for you about Thanksgiving The ways generational trauma affects more people than you’d think And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 96: Send Your Corporate Trauma Down the River Sep 30, 2021

Someone hits you up and says, “Hey, can we talk real quick?” What comes up for you? If immediate fear hits that you’re about to have the worst possible conversation ever, that’s from corporate trauma (and you’re not alone!) We’ve all probably had “that talk” with a superior, or been put on blast for being 5 minutes late, or seen someone take the credit for someone else’s idea when we’ve worked in the corporate world, right? But it’s time to start ditching that corporate trauma, and in this episode Trudi & Weeze are breaking down what that actually means, how it shows up in our businesses, and how to avoid continuing the trauma into another job or your own business. We’re exploring: How our insecurities around our roles in the corporate space affect how we collaborate with others All the things that are affected by corporate trauma How we are doing business differently ONE thing that is imperative to avoiding continuing the trauma when you are an entrepreneur What our non-oppressive business practices look like A sneak peak behind the scenes of our hiring process and how we run our businesses And more! Go back and listen to these episodes for more on this topic: Ep. 18: Protect Your Peace! https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep18?si=1eb7efb47c9b4b26a0a5d48d498968d4 Ep. 63: People or Profit? https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-63-people-or-profit?si=6e4605192fb7415f9a6e15a8ca531b8a Ep. 72: Before We Lead, We Must Heal w/ Greg Wieting https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-72-before-we-lead-we-must-heal-w-greg-wieting?si=9a72ece4a05647c7b953f29beae07439 Ep. 75: Decolonizing Professionalism & Work https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-75-decolonizing-professionalism-work?si=20f94cee434a430da11ec5a272fde842 Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 95: But what ARE you?! Sep 16, 2021

If you’re from a mixed race background, you’ve probably heard questions like “I know you’re not white, but I don’t know what you are?” or “Why are you that color?” or “But where are you ACTUALLY from?” and it can be infuriating and traumatic. This is something that Weeze experiences, too, as a fair-skinned indigenous African woman and it happens to so many people. So in today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into racial ambiguity, mixed race identity, what it’s like and what it means in the work that we do. We’re exploring: Why language is so important in what we call ourselves What the motivation of investigations into your background are REALLY about Breaking down the questions “where are you from?” and “what are you?” The conversation we need to have amongst ourselves as multi-racial folks What it’s like when you don’t fit into a box The functions of colorism and anti-Blackness vs racism Where social identities play a role in this work The risk and gamble we face as racially ambiguous folks And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 94: So You Wanna Talk About Accountability Sep 02, 2021

Y’all get SO upset on the interwebs over the idea of accountability, and we need to have a serious conversation about it because a lot of folks don’t actually know what that is. In today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are breaking down what accountability REALLY means and the 4 important things you need to remember before you get involved online. We’re exploring: Why tools and frameworks are so important The thing that is so important in this work but the assumption of it can be so dangerous Where consent plays an (often forgotten!) role Who actually gets a say in what accountability looks like ONE important thing you should not do when facilitating repair of harm What a successful reparative process ACTUALLY looks like And more! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 93: The Evolution of Anti-Racism Work Aug 19, 2021

We’ve seen a lot of changes in the work and the industry of anti-racism over the years and a ton of misinformation out there. So in today’s episode, we’re digging into what anti-racism work ACTUALLY looks like in 2021 (and a little reminder of what it’s not!), the cornerstone of any anti-racism or anti-oppression work, and the shit we see happen online WAY too much when folks think they’re doing “the work.” We’re exploring: - What anti-racism work is NOT in our day to day lives Where the work DOESN’T happen The slippery slope you can fall into trying to do this work on the interwebs Where social media plays a role and where it doesn’t The difference between learning and action and how to tell what you’re ACTUALLY doing One thing in this industry that gets Trudi super fired up about THIS trap you can fall into that actually reproduces whiteness The ONE question you need to be asking any DEI expert you are considering working with Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 92: We're Back! Aug 05, 2021

We’re back, y’all!!! A lot of things have changed since our last episode, and we feel like completely different people (in a good way!) In today’s episode, we’re diving into why we had an extended break between seasons, what we’d forgotten doing this work, the biggest shifts we’re making in our lives and businesses, and a sneak peek at an upcoming shift for the podcast.

Ep. 91: Season Finale: Do Your Work While We’re Away Nov 27, 2020

It’s the end of the fall 2020 season for That’s Not How That Works, so today we want to have a conversation about what we want to leave you with and what we hope you do from here. Listen in as we remind you what the hell this work is about in the first place (and what it ISN’T), what you can do to make sure you are moving the baton forward in this work, what you should do with those goal posts you’ve been setting, why you cannot center whiteness in any of this work and what you need to focus on centering instead. Find out how you can work with us: https://www.trudilebron.com/letswork https://www.accordingtoweeze.com/ Podia: https://accordingtoweeze.podia.com/weeze Revisit the summer syllabus: Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change From Ally to Accomplice Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29 Whiteness Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37 Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41 Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky Safety Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46 Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 90: A Tale of White Womaning: Boundaries, Consent & Silencing, Oh My! Nov 05, 2020

It’s story time! On today’s episode, we’re recounting a little scenario that happened recently in Trudi’s free private Facebook group that caused her to hit up Weeze on a weekend to discuss. Today we’re not only exploring non-disparage clauses in coaching contracts — what they are and why they are harmful — but also boundaries and consent, silencing and erasure, restorative justice and how to do it right, as well as what ACTUALLY happened in this thread in the Facebook group and what SHOULD have happened instead. This tale of Karen, Karen, and Karen is one you don’t want to miss.

Ep. 89: Today, We Literally Do Not Care Oct 29, 2020

Shit is about to get real, y’all. With everything going on lately — the new Supreme Court confirmation, yet ANOTHER Black man murdered by police, and the upcoming election to name a few — Trudi & Weeze are bringing you an old school throwback episode today. Listen in as we share what it’s like for us to be in the work that we do, the values we have, the ACTUAL goal of the work we do, and everything that’s on our minds, bodies, and souls right now. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 88: Ongoing Accountability Oct 15, 2020

So you’ve made a public statement that you’re behind the Black Lives Matter movement and committed to anti-racism. But what does it mean to make a commitment like this and be accountable to these commitments? On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are exploring what accountability looks like (in a real way!), why it feels hard, and one of the MOST IMPORTANT things you can do to stay accountable. We're also diving into the most recent example of how companies prioritize profit over people. Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 87: White Saviorism - Final Answer Oct 08, 2020

You might be a white savior if… Seriously y’all… we get questions about this one on the daily. “Am I a white savior? What are people gonna think of me if I share online about the work I’m doing? How do I make sure I’m not crossing the line into white saviorism?” So on today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are sharing our FINAL ANSWER on this one. We’re exploring all about white saviorism: what it is, why it’s so dangerous, the difference between white identity and whiteness, and how to make sure you don’t show up in spaces as a white savior. For the full breakdown of white saviorism, go back and check out Episode 19: Let’s Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice - https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 86: Ibram X Kendi and How to Not to Write About Being An Anti-Racist Oct 01, 2020

If you’re looking for a guide on how to be an anti-racist, Ibram Kendi’s book “How to Be an Anti-Racist” is NOT it, y’all. On today’s episode, Trudi and Weeze are diving into this controversial book, why the title is problematic and not accurate, who this book is best for and what it REALLY is, what could have made it better, and what we recommend you read instead if you’re on your own journey towards anti-racism. Check out Ep. 25: Can White Folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled) -- https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 85: DEI was DOA - The role whyte folx play and how to remedy Sep 17, 2020

What do we mean when we say that white folks can’t be the poison AND the antidote? What’s the difference between DEI and anti-racism work anyway? If you want to know the answer to these questions and what you CAN do in the work as a white person without being harmful, you’re not gonna want to miss this episode! Today, Trudi & Weeze are answering these questions as well as exploring the white folks co-opting the movement, why we don’t do DEI work with clients before anti-racism work is done, and how BIPOC can continue to protect their peace and hold boundaries. Wanna go deeper? Go back and listen to these episodes for more: Ep. 19: Let’s Cut the BS - From Ally to Accomplice Ep. 68: The Basics - Justice, Equity, Diversity & Inclusion Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/nothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 84: The Great White Awakening Sep 10, 2020

We are 3 months now out of the “Great White Awakening” and it’s time for y’all to have a come to Beyoncé moment… Where do you fall in this movement? Why did we even have this “Great White Awakening” now of all times? Why was George Floyd the beginning of it and not Breonna Taylor or any of the other Black folx who have been murdered? On today’s episode, we’re exploring the co-occurring social crises that created the perfect storm for people to FINALLY wake up, the 3 types of folx we saw in the Great White Awakening, and why it isn’t actually in your business’s best interest to use this movement to start branding yourself as an “anti-racist or DEI expert.” Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 83: Tag Team Back Again Sep 03, 2020

We’re back, y’all! A lot has happened in the world since our last podcast episode and we’re excited to be back to start breaking it all down over this season. On today’s episode, we’re diving into what we’ve been up to during the podcast break and exploring the recent resurgence of the civil rights movement, Weeze’s farewell to Facebook, the new “Great Awakening,” and why the transformational change you’re looking for can’t be done with a quick fix, DM, or one-off training! Follow us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/trudilebron https://instagram.com/accordingtoweeze https://instagram.com/thatsnothowthatworks Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep.82: TNHTW 101: Summer Syllabus Final May 28, 2020

This is our last episode of the season! Trudi and Weeze will be back in September with all new podcast episodes but in the meantime they have set up a curriculum to go back and listen to some of the most influential episodes so far. These are for you whether you are a newcomer to the podcast or if you just need refreshers as you continue on their path to wokeness. These will work in conjunction with our newsletter (that you should sign up for!) and our Facebook page to continue the discussion as always. Our book club will also be reviewing two books a month so there is plenty of opportunity to learn and interact with us. Until then enjoy these episodes...ok byeeeeeee! Foundational Episode 68 - The Basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-68-the-basics-justice-equity-diversity-inclusion Episode 25 - Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled): https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep25 Episode 76 - Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-76-education-vs-action-each-plays-a-role-in-equity-but-only-one-creates-change From Ally to Accomplice Episode 19 - Lets Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-19-lets-cut-the-bullshit-from-ally-to-accomplice Episode 70 - Wait WTF…I can be down and still not be woke?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/wait-wtfi-can-be-down-and-still-not-be-woke Episode 29 - When Glennon Doyle’s Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep29 Whiteness Episode 37 - The Basics of White Centering: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep37 Episode 41 - Whitesplaining and Webster…A look at language: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep41 Episode 10 - Don’t Be A BBQ Becky: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-10-dont-be-a-bbq-becky Safety Episode 64 - Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not!: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-64-safe-space-a-journey-the-what-how-how-not Episode 46 - Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces?: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep46 Episode 60 - Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing: https://soundcloud.com/nothowthatworks/ep-60-byron-katie-the-fairy-godmother-of-spiritual-bypassing Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 81: Who is Karen & why does she want to talk to the manager? May 21, 2020

Have you ever seen a “Karen?” She’s the one who storms through the sliding doors with her apologetic husband in tow. Her short “power” haircut, oversized sunglasses and bratty kids let everyone know her entitled ass is getting whatever she wants. She yells and accuses everyone causing as much of a scene as possible, if provoked then she will unleash her final attack saying, “I want to speak to your manager!” This is a “Karen”... she’s not a new phenomenon but she can now be identified properly with the rise of social media. In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down what being a Karen is and how whiteness plays a major role in being one. Listen in as we explore potential outcomes and how you can help combat all the Karening going on. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 80: Privilege and Pandemics May 14, 2020

Privileged during the pandemic? It may not always feel that way, but many of us are in one way or another. What are you doing with it, though? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are diving into what privilege IS, what it ISN’T, what choices you have during this time, and how you can use this time to rise while making sure others rise with you. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 79: Your Woke Urban Dictionary May 08, 2020

Hey y’all! We’re back and it feels so good! Have you heard people calling themselves “equity informed” or “justice informed?” On today’s episode Trudi & Weeze are gonna give it to ya straight about what those terms ACTUALLY mean, the questions you need to know to figure out if you or a coach you want to work with is truly helpful and not harmful, and some special news and events for y’all! Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Visit the site: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 78: A whole new world but this view point isn’t so fantastic: changes amid crisis Mar 19, 2020

It’s a whole new world out there right now amid the COVID-19 pandemic and with it comes a lot of questions and uncertainty. How do you handle the travel restrictions, event cancellations, and social distancing when it affects your bottom line? Is it even ethical to still sell to people right now? In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are exploring the effects of the pandemic here in the US, how to handle it responsibly, and tips to navigate this changing business landscape and keep your online business running as usual as possible. Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

77: 4 steps to doing better for Women’s (History) Month Mar 12, 2020

What is International Women’s Day, really? Is it a day for all countries to celebrate women together? Or just a single day to raise up women of color? In today’s episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring this distinction as well as feminism, what it is and isn’t, the role whiteness has played in the feminist movement, and 4 ways you can do better to help support people of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 76: Education vs. Action: Each plays a role in equity but only one creates change Mar 05, 2020

On today's spicy episode Trudi and Weeze are exploring education and action. In creating equitable change both are needed, but sometimes people can confuse the two. This distinction is the core of today’s episode. How does this show up in a professional setting? How do you identify where you are on the spectrum of education vs action? How do you properly support others if you are unable to be in a leadership role? How do you get educated and how do you get actionable? We’re exploring all of this and more in today's discussion. So relax...but also buckle up boo, ‘cause this episode is fire....Oh, and Joaquin Phoenix…. check it it! Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 75: Decolonizing Professionalism & Work Feb 27, 2020

On todays episode Trudi and Weeze are talking about…perfess…profesh….ahem….professionalism. Trudi and Weeze look at professionalism through the lens of an entrepreneurial or online business mindset. There is this notion that in order for us to become our most professional selves that we have to de-humanize ourselves, but there’s not some inverse relationship between being business-minded and being a human. People are capable of doing both and that is exactly what Trudi and Weeze explore for you today. How do you show up and create a sense of TRUE professionalism while maintaining your individualistic values? How do you need to show up and what to bring to the table in order to help re-establish what it means to be “professional”? Listen in to find out… Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 74: SuperBowl 50 - love it, hate it....why not both? Feb 20, 2020

Whether you love it or hate it, the recent SuperBowl and halftime show has got a lot of people up in arms. In this episode Trudi & Weeze are talking all about the halftime performance by J. Lo and Shakira and exploring the topic of duality to explain that it’s possible to both love and hate something at the same time… even the SuperBowl. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 73: So you think you’re woke? Feb 13, 2020

Today Trudi & Weeze are sharing their recent masterclass, So You Think You're Woke. We explore why personal development is a critical part of your leadership, the difference between equity and equality, and why it's so important for each of us to do our own work and begin working towards woke. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 72: Before we lead, we must heal w/ Greg Wieting Feb 06, 2020

Today we are joined by trauma healing expert Greg Wietling to continue our series on leadership. We explore creating safe spaces, white privilege, and the importance of understanding the relationship between personal trauma, leadership, and power dynamics. Connect with Greg: https://gregwieting.com Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 71: True leadership requires authentic connection w/ Ruby Fremon Jan 30, 2020

In this episode Trudi & Weeze are joined by Ruby Fremon, a transformational coach for today’s thought leaders, to discuss defining and redefining leadership. We explore leading with connection and integrity, empowering those you lead and conscious vs self-conscious leadership. Connect with Ruby: instagram.com/iamruby twitter.com/iamruby youtube.com/iamruby facebook.com/iamruby Via text: Text #POTENTTRUTH to 1-781-336-0160 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep.70: Wait WTF....I can be down and still not be woke? w/ Julia Wells Jan 23, 2020

Today Trudi & Weeze are joined by pussy based business coach Julia Wells, who shares her journey of coming to terms with her own white privilege and what it was like to do her work as part of the first cohort of Working Towards Woke. We also explore conscious leadership, leadership with an equity lens and doing better with your clients. Grab your spot for our FREE WORKSHOP, So You Think You’re Woke? January 28, 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workshop?fbclid=IwAR1yObvNHLooW4LHW9wxGxEZ0yHUt-rezcNnmuaYDMuTk2BQ0AQ4KIe7gQE Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Connect with Julia: Her free Facebook group, Visible AF: https://www.facebook.com/groups/VisibleAF/ On Instagram: https://instagram.com/juliamotherfuckingwells Her website: https://juliacwells.com Her podcast, Wait...WTF Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 69: How Not to be an Asshole with Ultra Runner Mirna Valerio aka “The Mirnavator” Jan 17, 2020

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by professional ultrarunner, motivational speaker, author, and all around badass Mirna Valerio (aka “The Mirnavator”) who shares her experiences as a larger woman in a world of thinner athletes. Together we explore fat shaming, body positivity, and challenging the narratives and double standards around weight and athleticism. Connect with Mirna: https://www.instagram.com/themirnavator/ https://www.patreon.com/themirnavator https://themirnavator.com/ https://www.facebook.com/TheMirnavator/ You can buy a copy of Mirna’s recently published memoir, A Beautiful Work in Progress here: https://www.amzn.com/1503943399 Fearing the Black Body: The Racial Origins of Fat Phobia by Strings: https://amzn.com/1479886750 Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 68: The basics: justice, equity, diversity & inclusion Jan 11, 2020

We throw around a lot of words that can be misunderstood or misinterpreted. In this episode we’re unpacking words like diversity AND inclusion (DNI) and talking about what they were intended for vs. how they are misused. Hop over to episode 44 for all of the ways diversity and inclusion can have an impact. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 67: 20/20 - That's Clear Vision Dec 31, 2019

Today Trudi & Weeze are doing a year end review. We explore the lessons we learned in 2019 as well as our words and themes of the year and big scary goals for 2020. Network & Spill episode: http://networkandspill.com/2019/09/strangerdanger-w-liberation-coach-louiza-weeze-doran/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 66: When breaking social contracts break the internet Dec 19, 2019

Today Trudi and Weeze are talking about the now infamous and controversial Lizzo Lakers game twerking. In this episode we explore social contracts, making assumptions, internet backlash, and what the real conversation needs to be around Lizzo’s outfit and the game. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 65: A call for community accountability Dec 12, 2019

In this 3rd installment of our series about how to do better, we are talking about accountability. We explore institutional, interpersonal, and community accountabilities — especially as it pertains to the coaching industry — the lack of a standardized code of ethics for coaches, and what coaching certifications really mean (or don’t mean!) The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 64: Safe Space, a journey: the what, how & how not! Dec 06, 2019

In today’s episode, Trudi & Weeze are revisiting the topic of safe space. We explore safe space in general, what that actually looks like, how to create a safe space in your coaching program or group, and why having a group for white folks only to go through Working Towards Woke actually provides a safe space for both them and folks of color. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/ Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 63: People or Profit? Nov 28, 2019

In this episode, we’re diving into a theme we’ve noticed in the nature of business practice in the coaching industry. We’re exploring how business coaching is often actually profit coaching and has lost the client care focus, all the ways that this is a problem, and the red flags you should run from before hiring a service provider practicing this way. The doors are now open for the next cohort of Working Towards Woke, starting January 2020: https://www.nothowthatworks.com/workingtowardswoke Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 62: Kamora Herrington on Gender Identity, Inclusivity and Cultural Competence Nov 21, 2019

In this episode, Kamora Herrington joins us to discuss gender identity and exclusivity, language policing, gender norms, and to explore how White European standards influence the way we coach and mentor Black and Brown clients. Help Kamora create Individual and Community Liberation: https://www.patreon.com/KCC1023 Follow Kamora on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/kamorasculturalcorner/ Follow Kamora on Instagram: https://instagram.com/kammielee Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 61: What About Your Friends? Nov 14, 2019

Are you singing yet? This is an exploration of what our online community and behavior say about us. We’re discussing social media and how it is used as a tool — specifically as it relates to activism, social justice, and equity — and how it can be used as a tool for dehumanization and oppression. Please join us in the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep. 60: Byron Katie, The Fairy Godmother of Spiritual Bypassing Nov 07, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze discuss the coaching ideologies of “spiritual teachers and leaders” like Byron Katie. We explore how harmful new aged spiritual white women can be when coaching from a belief system that places the burden of oppression on the oppressed, like Byron Katie’s “work” does. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 59: Kindness: the new “....but I have a black friend” Oct 31, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze dive into the terms “niceness” and “kindness” — specifically how they relate to white women. We explore Ellen DeGenerous’s recent response to being friends with George W. Bush, what she’s really saying by “be kind to one another,” and when “kindness” is a cop out. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 58: Workplace Hazards Oct 24, 2019

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze explore workplace hazards that can be encountered by entrepreneurs — especially those working around diversity and inclusion — and how to mitigate them. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 57: How Elizabeth DiAlto Found her Inner Atticus Finch Oct 10, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by the founder of Wild Soul Movement™ Elizabeth DiAlto who shares her story of enlightenment. We explore authenticity and euro-centrism in the fitness industry and spiritual space, and well as aligning your business with your values and integrity. Connect with Elizabeth: https://instagram.com/elizabethdialto https://wildsoulmovement.com/ Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 56: Koya Webb is Love Oct 03, 2019

In this episode Trudi & Weeze are joined by thought leader, yoga teacher, and holistic health coach, Koya Webb, to talk about how yoga has changed her life, reducing our harm footprint, and being love. Connect with Koya on Instagram at https://instagram.com/koyawebb or at her website, https://koyawebb.com Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast Music by Dennis “Aganee” Jenkins https://www.aganee.com https://instagram.com/therealaganee

Ep 55: BONUS EPISODE - Chelsea Handler's Trauma Porn Netflix Special Sep 26, 2019

This bonus episode is TOTALLY Off the Cuff, and Uncut because we should be focused on our relaunch and are supposed to be on hiatus. However, we've been asked for a formal response to the Chelsea Handler Netflix Special, "Hello, Privilege, it's me, Chelsea" and we have a LOT to say.

Ep 54: The End of the Beginning for TNHTW Aug 09, 2019

We have a special announcement... well, a few actually. In this episode, we announce our plans for a podcast upgrade, some new projects we're working on and how YOU can be involved. Join the relaunch team at: www.nothowthatworks.com/relaunch

Ep 53: The Little Mermaid Should Be White because Mermaids are... Fictional? Jul 28, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze explore the overwhelming, and quite disturbing, response to the news that the new live-action movie The Little Mermaid would feature a Young Black Woman in its leading role of Ariel. We will explore the problems with the response, explore what we should actually be talking about, and reiterate that Mermaids are in fact Fictional. Please join us in the Facebook Group to continue the conversation with us: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

Ep 52: Sonali Fiske, White Spaces, and a Lil' Bit of GoT Jul 13, 2019

In this episode, Sonali Fiske joins us to talk about what happens when White folks invite BIPOC into spaces without intentional and explicit plans to create equity, authentic diversity, and inclusion. We also have a GoT Easter Egg for you. We hope some of you are fans! Remember to join the conversation in the FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

Ep 51: Justing Livingston is Working Towards Woke Jun 26, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze welcome Justin Livingston who shares about his own journey as a white man to understanding race, diversity, equity, and how it shows up (or doesn't) in the coaching and transformational development industry, and what he sees as his role is the work. You can continue the conversation with us in the FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks You can also find our FREE masterclass at: www.nothowthatworks.com/freemasterclass

Ep 50: Birthday Celebration! Trudi & Weeze get Interviewed by Sonali Fiske Jun 13, 2019

It's our Anniversary! That's Not How That Works is officially 1 year old. On June 13th, 2018 Weeze and Trudi dropped the first episode of TNHTW. In this celebratory episode, Weeze & Trudi and interviewed by Sonali Fiske and share more about the show's history, what it's like to release the weekly show, how they make it work in their lives, and where things might be headed. Please join us on the FB Group for more discussion and celebration: www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworkspodcast

Ep 49: Anniversary Week & Debriefing "When They See Us" Netflix miniseries Jun 10, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze check in to kick off the celebration of their one year anniversary of the That's Not How That Works podcast and other important podcast milestones. We also take the opportunity to debrief how we're feeling about all of the news related to travel in the Dominican Republic and the Netflix miniseries "When They See Us". Make sure you follow us all week for Anniversary celebrations on Instagram @trudilebron and @accordingtoweezus and in the Facebook Group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks You can sign up for our Masterclass From Ally to Accomplice at: www.nothowthatworks.com/freemasterclass

Ep48: Tony Robbins and Culturally (in)Competent Coaching Jun 01, 2019

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze do a deep dive into the issue of the release of Tony Robbins repeated use of the N-word during an event 20+ years ago. We look a few issues with the video including the use of the n-word as a "therapeutic" coaching tactic, cultural competency of coaching, and why this even matters all these years later. You can see the Medium article referenced in the show here: https://medium.com/p/tony-robbins-cognitive-dissonance-751095390cd?source=email-ff1181a0412a--writer.postDistributed&sk=1a58db9836d04ed88ad621f5f04f9271 Join us in the Facebook Group to continue the conversation here:https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

Ep47: Interns, Getting that Dream Job, and Equitable Work May 22, 2019

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss internships, modern advice on how to score dream jobs and how that intersects with economic and work equity. Let's do better y'all. Join the conversation on FB at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

Ep 46: Do White Folks Deserve Safe Spaces? Apr 22, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze celebrate 1 year of podcasting and the completion of the first-ever cohort of Working Towards Woke! We discuss our key takeaways for that experience which leads us to a very important question in our work and our field. Do White people deserve safe spaces when it comes to their journey towards woke-ness and accompliceship? Listen to the episode to find out what we think about this.

Ep 45: Blocking on Social becomes a Tool of Oppression w/ Shereen Sun Apr 10, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze are joined by creative business coach and overall badass, Shereen Sun who shares a story about how (not to) handle being called in. Blocking on Social Media is definitely a way for us to protect our peace but it also has become a tool of oppression and marginalization. In this episode, we explore how this happens and imagine alternative ways to respond to being called in. Remember to join the conversation in the FB Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Ep44: Diversity, Equity, Inclusion and Social Cohesion w/ Dan Holley Apr 01, 2019

In this episode, Weeze & Trudi welcome Daniel Holley, co-host of the Purpose Roundtable and friend of the show, to talk about his approach to diversity, equity, and inclusion work. Dan's goal is to focus on the overarching goal of DEI work which he believes is Social Cohesion. Remember to continue the conversation with us in the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Ep 43: Honor Don't Appropriate Yoga w/ Susanna Barkataki Mar 14, 2019

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze welcome Susanna Barkataki to provide some insight about the cultural appropriation of yoga. Trudi & Weeze also get schooled on what yoga actually is (you don't go to yoga, y'all), and what it's not. We also explore this White Women only Yoga situation on meetup.com and talk about why its soooooo out of line. Remember to join us in the Facebook groups here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/nothowthatworks And you can find more about the "Honor {Don't Appropriate} Yoga summit here: https://honordontappropriateyoga.com/

Ep 42: Cancel Culture and why Jussie Smollett is NOT cancelled Mar 05, 2019

In this episode, we are joined by Ebonie Golbourne to discuss cancel culture. There have been lots of canceling happening: Rosanne, Virginia Gov., multiple major fashion houses, and more. We are going to dig into why folks are being canceled if we should be canceling folks, and who when we should give people a break. Spoiler Alert: We are not giving a lot of breaks in this episode. Join us in the FB group to join the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/thatsnothowthatworks

Ep 41: Whitesplaining and Webster... A look at language Feb 22, 2019

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi talk about whitesplaining and Webster (as in Webster's dictionary). We explain what whitesplaining is, how to recognize it and ask that folks stop doing it. We also explore the epidemic of people using Webster's dictionary to understand complex, nuanced, social problems we are facing. Remember to join us in the Facebook group to continue the discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

Ep 40: Unpacking Masuclinity and Accomplice-ship with Man School's Matthew Solomon Feb 07, 2019

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze are joined by Matthew Solomon, creator, and author of Man School. Matthew teaches men how to be less toxic and more of an Accomplice and we discuss if Masculinity can be separated from the toxic masculinity and misogynistic culture we all know so well. Join the discussion for this episode on the Facebook group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 39: How to Find a Coach who is Working Towards Woke (LIVE SHOW) Feb 04, 2019

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi explore how to screen your coaches for their stance on diversity, equity, and inclusion in their work. If diversity, equity, inclusion, and anti-racism is something you're taking on in your life, you should be making sure that the folks you hire to support you are also on this journey. You can see the LIVE Expanded version of the episode in the Facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Ep 38: How NOT to be an Accomplice (LIVE SHOW) Jan 24, 2019

Our first LIVE episode, y'all! On this episode, we process a FB live that Weeze and Trudi were tagged into online to provide insight and feedback. What we found was a hot mess of performative allyship, racism, and recklessness. In this LIVE episode we process the core parts of the video, how the two co-hosts of the original video were NOT providing a safe space for their community.

Ep 37: The Basics of White Centering Jan 17, 2019

Happy New Year Everyone! In this episode, Trudi & Weeze dive into the topic of White Centering. We explore mainstream and marginalized identities, give examples of how much of the world we live in is basically a world that centers whiteness. If you're a fan of the show join us in the Facebook Group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Ep 36: Happy New Year Bonus Episode! Dec 31, 2018

In the FINAL episode of the year, Trudi & Weeze thank the listeners for being a part of the That's Not How That Works community. We also share our favorite episodes and give you a sneak peek about what's up ahead! Here's a link to the Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/ Join us and let us know what episodes you like, and what you'd like to see and hear more of.

Ep 35: We Manifested One of Our Icons! But we should have been more specific Dec 29, 2018

In this episode Weeze recounts the story of what happened when she met W. Kamau Bell in The Bay recently. Now, if you're a fan of the show, you know that this is HUGE. We've talked about wanting to "manifest" him... and although our ultimate dream is for him to come on our show, we'll settle for bumping into him on the street (for now anyway :) We also share our manifestation list with you in case you happen to be one of our well connected listeners. We love and appreciate you! Here's the link to the Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 34: #RacistBrunch (Trudi comes to Oakland) Dec 22, 2018

In this episode Trudi & Weeze share the story about what happened on Trudi's recent trip to Oakland. Let me give you a hint... #racistbrunch! Alas... this episode ends with a surprising twist so stay tuned in to hear exactly what should happen when these unfortunate, yet all too common, events take place. Here's the link to our Facebook group so you can join the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 33: Q&A with the TNHTW Team Dec 14, 2018

In this episode Weeze & Trudi answer questions from the TNHTW's Facebook Groups including How can I be more confident when discussing equity and diversity issues? Are the roles of Ally and Accomplice only for White folks or can PoC be Accomplices? How can I have more diversity in my coaching practice? Let us know what you think AND keep your questions coming. You can email us at hello@nothowthatworks or you can post questions in the Facebook group. Join the group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 32: Call Out Culture and The Woke Olympics Dec 03, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss their confusion and frustration with the call out culture by white folks at other white folks (can someone explain it to us?). It all looks like a competition to be the "woke-est"... hence, The Woke Olympics. Weeze and Trudi also pose an alternative approach that we think would be more effective in moving folks toward being an accomplice. As noted in the show, here is the link to register for the From Ally to Accomplice webinar: https://nothowthatworks.com/allytoaccomplice And as always join us in the Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

Ep 31: Are We Too Soft? A Transparent Conversation about Wokeness Nov 23, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi get SUPER REAL about decisions regarding how they felt about a statement made during episode 30. It is a PERFECT example of how this work (Diversity, Equity, Anti-Racism, Liberation Work) requires that we be humble, open, transparent and willing to make mistakes. We also believe that this shows our commitment to our listeners. We want you to know that we aren't perfect and that we want to hold ourselves accountable and that Wokeness isn't a fixed state of being, rather a process, an action, and a commitment that we take very seriously. To join our FREE Webinar, From Ally to Accomplice, Dec. 5th 2018, register here: nothowthatworks.com/allytoaccomplice And as always, join the facebook group here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

Ep 30: White, Straight, Cis, Male & Working Towards Woke... Meet Joey Chandler Nov 18, 2018

In this episode Weeze and Trudi talk with Joey Chandler who admits to being the epitome of privilege... he's a White, Straight, Cis, Male that came to the realization that men have a role in dismantling white supremacy. We talk to him about his own journey, his mistakes, and where he his today so that we can learn how to bring more men into this process. We also take a moment to celebrate the AMAZING mid-term election results and recognize so many "firsts" in office. Join the community online: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

Ep 29: When Glennon Doyle's Attempt at Allyship Went Wrong Nov 08, 2018

In this episode, Trudi & Weeze break down a real-life example of what happens when a White Ally tries to do something to raise awareness about racial justice but instead just centers whiteness. Hear a breakdown of what happened online that caused many racial justice educators to step in and call out problematic behaviors and understand why Glennon Doyle rightfully decided to cancel her webinar about Race in America. Remember to check us out in the Facebook group to join the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/ThatsNotHowThatWorks/

Ep 28: A Tale of Erasure and Whitness Nov 03, 2018

In this episode, Weeze shares an experience that she had recently in a coaching program. Although you'll hear the details of what happened we ask you to zoom out and think about the broader lessons here. Consider: How should we respond when someone tells us we have hurt or offended them? If we are on a journey to "do better", how can we engage in uncomfortable discourse when the impact of our words is different from your intent? How do we further the erasure of dismissal of marginalized communities? If you want to create a diverse community in your business, this episode is a must. We invite you to engage with us more on Facebook at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 27: Weeze Comes to Connecticut (A Story of Accomplice-ship) Oct 28, 2018

In this episode, we share the tale of what happened when Weeze came to Hartford, CT! What started out as a regular work trip, turned into an amazing story of accomplice-ship. Special Shout out to Bryce, and the crew at Wood & Tap in Hartford! Good job doing better! Remember to join us on FB to keep the conversation going: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 26: Should I have Scholarships? (The MOST Popular Questions we Get) Oct 17, 2018

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze discuss one of THE MOST POPULAR questions they get. Should I offer scholarships for my coaching program? We will get into the What, Why and How of scholarships and we'll also talk about the WRONG reasons to be offering scholarships. As always, we'd love to know what you think. Join us over in the Facebook group for more conversations. https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 25: Can White folks Experience Racism? (and how TNHTW almost got cancelled) Sep 26, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi provide their definitive, unequivocal answer to the questions: Can people of color be racist? Can white folks experience racism? Is reverse racism real? To continue the discussion join us in our Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/

Ep 23: White Folks are Burning their Nike's (Kaepernick and the Just Do it Campaign) Sep 15, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi take some time to break down Nike's 2018 Just Do It Campaign starring Colin Kaepernick. Is Nike now trying to be an ally? Are they taking a stand with Colin? Or is it just a very smart marketing campaign targeting the changing demographics of our country? We'll address all that at more. Remember to join the FaceBook Group to continue the conversation: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/

Ep 22: Geraldine DeRuiter Stepped (the F***) Up Sep 05, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi are joined by guest Geraldine DeRuiter, a writer, and speaker who Trudi met at World Domination Summit in June 2018. Geraldine joins the show to explain her awakening to all things race, privilege, and power, and tried to help Trudi and Weeze figure out what to say to get more white folks on board. Remember to join us in the FB Group to continue the discussion: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/ PS: Shout out to Geraldine's mom and husband for helping her Step the all the way up! Thank y'all for doing better!

Ep 21: Madonna might be an Appropriator... But you don't have to be :) Aug 30, 2018

Did y'all watch the VMA's? Well, our dear friend Madonna showed up and showed out and we have to discuss this. Madonna's outfit leads us to a more important conversation about the difference between cultural appropriation and cultural appreciation. We provide definitions, insights, and, as always, ideas for how to do better. Don't forget to join us in the That's Not How That Works Facebook group for more information, links, and our weekly FB lives: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853

Ep 20: Je Tuan Jones Explains it All: When Spritual Coaching Goes Wrong Aug 23, 2018

In episode 20 we welcome our first ever guest co-host to join us in a discussion about spiritual coaching, and how it can all go wrong when people use race to divide us. Je Tuan opens up about a recent experience with a coach was took advantage of many people and used race to silence people, divide people, and profit. This is a very important episode. Please join us for the discussion in the That's Not How That Works Facebook Group at: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/about/

Ep 19: Let's Cut the BS: From Ally to Accomplice Aug 16, 2018

In this episode, we talk about the journey from Ally to Accomplice. We define performative allyship, and why its a problem, and explore the pathway that someone must travel in order to be in full partnership and support of people of color. Also... our TNHTW's Facebook group is live and open to the public. Here's the link... join us! https://www.facebook.com/groups/1077973785700853/

Ep 18: Protect Your Peace! Aug 09, 2018

In this episode Weeze and Trudi are discussing a word that had been used a lot in the equity and diversity field: emotional labor. We'll discuss what it is, why its a lot of work, and why folks don't want to do it for free. Also, we'll discuss how to protect yourself from doing unwanted emotional labor and how to be restored.

Ep17: Don't Check My Privilege Aug 01, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss what it means when someone says Check Your Privilege. We explore the different types of privilege people hold, what it means to check that privilege, and how it triggers some people when they hear it. We further address some manifestations of white privilege and give some examples of how to use privilege to create equity for marginalized communities (which is really the whole point of our work).

Ep16: Trudi Was Made for This (Trudi's Origin Story) Jul 25, 2018

In this episode Weeze and Trudi switch seats and Trudi shares about her experiences about growing up in small cities in Connecticut, never feeling like enough, becoming a teen mom at 15, and creating her own path.

Ep 15: Weeze is Woke AF (Weeze's Origin Story) Jul 18, 2018

In the spirit of sharing different stories, and being vulnerability this week, we are hearing how Weeze became Work AF (also the title of her site at https://accordingtoweezus.com/). Hear how Weeze went from a little homie in Oakland with strong North African roots to the advocate, coach, and badass that she is today.

Ep 14: Vulnerable... Schmulnerable Minisode Jul 16, 2018

Happy Monday! We're just checking in really quick to talk about the difference between vulnerability and sharing parts of yourself. We're also going to announce our plans for the next two episodes (which we are really excited about).

Ep 13: Will I Be The Only POC at the Retreat? (Please say no) Jul 12, 2018

In this episode, we discuss Trudi's experience at World Domination Summit 2018 and lessons that can be learned by listening to the experiences of People of Color who go to these types of events (conferences, masterminds, retreats, etc). We'll share a few things that organizers can do to make their spaces more diverse, and more comfortable for PoC attendees. A special shout-out to the WDS Core Team who have consistently made efforts over the years to create more diversity at their annual event. See you in 2019 :) Good Job Doing Better!

Ep 12: All Work... No Tribe Jul 06, 2018

In today's episode, Trudi and Weeze talk about "The Work". We discuss what it means, the phases of the work, why it's important for all people to explore their own identity, privilege and power (yes... including people of color). We also talk about the problem with the word Tribe, and how much we wish folks would stop using it.

Ep 11: If it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck... Its a Concentration Camp Jun 28, 2018

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze explore the crisis at the border and the policies that have allowed thousands of children to be taken from their families. As coaches, what is our obligation to be having these discussions both publically, and in our private communities? What if our niche has nothing to do with this "stuff"?

Ep 10: Don't Be A BBQ Becky! Jun 20, 2018

In this episode, Weeze and Trudi discuss BBQ Becky's, who they are, what role they play in the world, how to deal with them, and most importantly HOW TO NOT BE ONE. We also cover how BBQ Becky's show up in the coaching and personal development world. Remember to check us out on Patreon at www.patreon.com/nothowthatworks

Ep 9: Oh, Hell Nah "White Privilege, Activism, Victim Consciousness" Jun 14, 2018

In this episode, Trudi and Weeze discuss some of the key principals of coaching and personal development and zoom in on one particularly problematic philosophy and extra violent video that recently was posted on Facebook Live. This is a perfect example of why many coaches and coaching teachings are not welcoming to people of color. See the Facebook video we reference in this video here:https://www.facebook.com/mukka328/videos/1961360503877173/

Ep 8: The Podcast Formally Known as Hey Auntie Jun 14, 2018

Allow us to reintroduce ourselves.... In this episode co-hosts from Hey Auntie explain the name change and new direction of the podcast.

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