Tech Policy Grind

S5E7: Ahead of Google’s Response, DuckDuckGo’s Joe Jerome explains the DOJ’s Antitrust Case Dec 18, 2024

In this episode of Tech Policy Grind, the conversation delves into the significant antitrust case against Google led by the US Department of Justice. The discussion covers the historical context of antitrust actions, the proposed remedies aimed at breaking Google’s monopoly, and the implications for competition in the tech industry. Joe Jerome from DuckDuckGo provides insights into the complexities of the case, the importance of technical expertise in enforcement, and the potential impact on consumers and the future of AI development. The episode concludes with reflections on the global regulatory landscape and the ongoing nature of the legal proceedings. This episode was recorded on November 22, 2024 and is being published ahead of Google’s response, which comes out on December 20, 2024.

What do birding and dinosaurs have to do with privacy compliance? [S5E6] Jun 12, 2024

Today on the Tech Policy Grind: Our editor, Evan, bids the show farewell for his new role in corporate privacy compliance. He chats with Pedro Pavon, a privacy attorney at Meta, about what it means to be an advocate on the corporate side, how birding can help us maintain a beginners mindset, and how Pedro launched the Data Protection Breakfast Club.

Pedro is a lawyer and policy advocate focused on digital privacy, data strategy, and algorithmic fairness. He hosts the Data Protection Breakfast Club podcast and teaches privacy law at Georgia State University College of Law.

Responsible Product Design and AI Red Teaming [S5E5] May 23, 2024

This week, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net that discuss the importance of responsible product design and ethical red teaming for AI. First, we chatted with Aishwarya Vardhana. As a full stack product designer, she designs innovative interfaces and experiences with safety, privacy, and other human rights considerations baked into the product. At State of the Net, when this conversation was recorded, she shared how she thinks about building ethical, inclusive and responsible technology, and how she prioritizes user needs to help keep people safe online.

Then, we sat down with Harley Geiger, Counsel on Cybersecurity Services at Venable, about ethical AI redteaming. What is ethical AI redteaming? And how are redteamers protected under the law when they test out vulnerabilities of AI models? We get into that and much more the conversation with Harley, Foundry fellow Sasa Jovanovic and me during State of the Net.

DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Sasa, Harley and Aishwarya engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

Conversations from State of the Net: AI’s Impact on Cybersecurity and the Future of Work [S5E4] Mar 28, 2024

This week on the Tech Policy Grind, we’re sharing two conversations from State of the Net 2024, the premier internet policy conference that took place in February in Washington, D.C, to discuss the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy and the future of work.

Foundry Fellow Sasa Jovanovic and I spoke with Heather West and Charley Snyder on the impact of AI on cybersecurity policy. We discussed the nexus between Artificial Intelligence and cybersecurity, revealing how AI’s advancements carry both protective potential and novel vulnerabilities.

We also chatted with Dr. Athina Kanioura, Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at PepsiCo, about navigating the policy challenges around the deployment of AI in the workplace, while making sure that AI promotes societal values and labor equity.

DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Sasa, Athina, Heather and Charley engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

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Athina Kanioura is Executive Vice President, Chief Strategy and Transformation Officer at PepsiCo. An accomplished innovator and transformation leader, Kanioura oversees PepsiCo’s end-to-end strategy to win both as a total company and in key markets, including our digitalization strategy. She also leads company-wide transformation—ensuring that our scale is leveraged as we focus on accelerating profitable growth and identifying areas of cost efficiency and optimization—in addition to overseeing Data Products, Platforms, and Talent. Prior to joining PepsiCo, Kanioura was the Chief Analytics Officer and Global Head of Applied Intelligence at Accenture, where she specialized in applying AI and analytics to drive business value. During her 15 years at Accenture, Kanioura grew the Applied Intelligence function from a subspecialty to a global group at the forefront of scale business transformation. Kanioura is a member of the Royal Statistical and Economics Society, where she contributes to shaping government policy around how data is used by bodies like the IMF. She also sits on the board of the Institute of Marketing Sciences and is a keen educator who has held lectureships at UMIST (UK), Imperial College London (UK), and the University of Sheffield (UK), where she also earned her PhD in Econometrics and Quantitative Economics.

Charley Snyder serves as Head of Security Policy at Google. In this role, Charley leads efforts to organize Google’s security expertise and technology to help solve the world’s pressing challenges related to safety and security online. Charley has security technology and policy experience in the public and private sectors. Before joining Google, he was a senior vice president at Goldman Sachs Group, where he was Global Head of Vulnerability Management and later led the Engineering Division’s zero-trust security strategy. Previously, Charley served in the United States government, including multiple roles in the Department of Defense. He served as Deputy Director of Strategic Cyber Defense and Capabilities in the Office of the Secretary of Defense, and as a Senior Cyber Policy Advisor. Earlier in his career, Charley was a professional staff member for the U.S. House of Representatives Committee on Homeland Security, where he led the committee’s oversight of Federal cybersecurity and intelligence issues.

Heather West is a policy and tech translator, product consultant, and long-term digital strategist guiding the intersection of emerging technologies, culture, governments, and policy. Equipped with degrees in both computer and cognitive science, Heather focuses on data governance, data security, artificial intelligence (AI), and privacy in the digital age. She is a subject matter authority who has written extensively about AI and other data driven topics for over a decade. She is also a member of the Washington Post’s The Network, “a group of high-level digital security experts” selected to weigh in on pressing cybersecurity issues.

First Amendment Experts Dig Into Supreme Court Cases That Could Change Future of Online Discourse [S5E3] Mar 07, 2024

This week on the Tech Policy Grind, an expert panel unpacked the two First Amendment cases heard by the Supreme Court last week.

In 2021, Florida and Texas introduced laws to prevent social media companies from banning political candidates or censoring content based on viewpoints, sparking a debate about the balance between free speech and platform regulation.

The Supreme Court hearing on February 26, 2024 on the Florida and Texas laws set the stage for a broader conversation on the First Amendment rights of social media companies.

To comment on the recent hearings, we brought in Internet Law and Policy Foundry alumna Jess Miers, Senior Counsel at Chamber of Progress to moderate a conversation with two other experts: Vidushi Dyall, Director Legal Analysis at Chamber of Progress who was reporting from the courtroom last week and Eric Goldman, the Associate Dean for Research, Professor of Law, Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute, and Co-Supervisor of the Privacy Law Certificate, at Santa Clara University School of Law.

DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Evan, Jess, Vidushi, and Eric engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

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Jess Miers is Senior Counsel at Chamber of Progress. As a lawyer and technologist, Jess primarily focuses on the intersection of law and the Internet. She is widely considered an expert on U.S. intermediary liability law and has written, spoken, and taught extensively about topics such as speech and Section 230, content moderation, intellectual property, and cyber crime. Jess is also currently an advisor to the Trust & Safety Professional Association, and an industry mentor for Santa Clara Law’s Tech Edge J.D. certificate program.

Vidushi Dyall is the Director of Legal Analysis at the Chamber of Progress. She is a Fordham Law graduate and has gained meaningful professional experience across tech policy, privacy, and cybersecurity. In her current role she provides rapid analysis and response to breaking developments in cases that involve critical tech policy issues.

Eric Goldman is Associate Dean for Research, Professor of Law, Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute, and Co-Supervisor of the Privacy Law Certificate, at Santa Clara University School of Law. His research and teaching focuses on Internet law, and he blogs on that topic at the Technology & Marketing Law Blog.

Resources:

Moody v. NetChoice, LLC

NetChoice, LLC v. Paxton

Communications Decency Act

Reno v. ACLU

Section 230

Making the Case Against Aerial Surveillance, with the ACLU’s Jay Stanley [S5E2] Mar 01, 2024

Welcome to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry!

In this episode, Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose sat down with Jay Stanley, Senior Policy Analyst, at the ACLU’s Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project, to discuss Jay’s work on aerial surveillance law and policy, with a spotlight on the work that the ACLU is doing to keep you safe from eyes in the sky. While these two drone on about aerial surveillance (no pun intended), check out some of the resources listed below. This episode will be part of a mini-series on surveillance law and policy with some amazing future guests, so thank you for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Katelyn engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

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Jay Stanley started working on privacy and technology issues at the ACLU five weeks before 9/11. His role at the ACLU is to help the organization think through, monitor, and explain the impact of new technologies on our privacy, free speech and other civil liberties. He has worked on a wide variety of cutting-edge science and technology issues and authored and co-authored a variety of influential ACLU reports, policy papers, and blog posts. Among his current areas of focus are aerial surveillance, digital identity, digital currency, and license plate scanners. Before joining the ACLU, he worked as an analyst at the technology research company Forrester Research, and did graduate studies in 20th century American history at UVA (ABD).

As Google’s Global Policy Lead for Law Enforcement and Government Access, Katelyn Ringrose works on any and all issues tied to data governance. Prior to her current position, Katelyn served as the Future of Privacy Forum’s Christopher Wolf Diversity Fellow — working on data privacy and security. Through the International Association of Privacy Professionals, Katelyn holds CIPM, CIPP-EU, and CIPP-U certifications & is a 2021 Fellow of Information Privacy. Katelyn was chosen as a 2022 Out in National Security Leader, and is a former board member for Women in Security and Privacy (WISP) in Washington, DC. She writes about issues tied to state/federal privacy legislation; sensitive personal data; and appropriate safeguards for cross-border transfers. Find Katelyn’s law reviews and articles in Berkeley Tech Law Journal, Berkeley Law Review, Denver Law Review, Notre Dame Journal of Emerging Technology, Notre Dame Law Review, on IAPP and FPF’s websites, and more.

Resources: ACLU White Papers

Eye-in-the-Sky Policing Needs Strict Limits

Press on surveillance in the sky

‘Drones as first responders’ programs need guardrails, says ACLU

Key drones-related court cases

ACLU v. CBP – FOIA Case for Records Relating to Government’s Aerial Surveillance of Protesters

Leaders of a Beautiful Struggle v. Baltimore Police Department

State of the Net Live 2024: Neurotechnology and Privacy, a New Era of Internet Geopolitics, and the Legal Landscape for Online Expression [S5E1] Feb 22, 2024

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! To kick off Season Five, the Tech Policy Grind is bringing you to State of the Net 2024 Live!

On February 12, 2024 officials from the executive and legislative branches joined internet and tech advocates in Washington, D.C. to discuss topics such as child online safety, AI regulation and governance, internet access and affordability, the legal and regulatory landscape on online expression, and more.

In this episode, we put together three conversations from our live recording at the conference. Foundry alum Lama Mohammed chatted with Jameson Spivack, Senior Policy Analyst, Immersive Technologies at Future of Privacy Forum on the challenges of balancing progress and privacy when it comes to neurotechnologies. Then Senior Foundry fellows Sasa Jovanovic and Daniela Guzman Peña sat down with Colin Crowell, the Senior Advisor & Managing Director of The Blue Owl Group to discuss how internet geopolitics and diplomacy will evolve in the next era of the web. Finally, we had the chance to speak with Nicole Saad Bembridge, Counsel at NetChoice, about the legal landscape for Supreme Court cases this year, which might reframe the boundaries of online expression and platform liability. So sit back, relax, and enjoy a wide-ranging episode that showcases some of the key issues that were discussed at this agenda-setting conference.

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Daniela, Lama, and Sasa engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

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Jameson Spivack: Jameson Spivack leads the Future of Privacy Forum’s work on immersive technologies like extended reality, neurotechnologies, and virtual worlds. He works with a range of stakeholders from industry, civil society, and academia to understand the impact of emerging privacy laws on immersive technologies, and to develop best practices for organizations developing or deploying them. Previously, Jameson was an Associate with the Center on Privacy & Technology at Georgetown Law, where he worked on research and policy advocacy related to algorithmic technologies like face recognition in the criminal legal system.

Colin Crowell: Colin Crowell is the Managing Director of The Blue Owl Group. Colin is an international tech policy consultant and the former Vice President of Global Public Policy, Government, & Philanthropy at Twitter. During his 8+ years at Twitter, Colin built an award-winning philanthropy program and engaged with global policymakers and civil society on a range of Internet policy issues. Prior to joining Twitter, Colin worked as Senior Counselor to the Chairman of the Federal Communications Commission and previously spent more than two decades on Capitol Hill drafting telecommunications and Internet laws on the committee staff of then-U.S. Representative (now Senator) Ed Markey (D-MA). Colin was the 2020 Commencement Speaker at the LBJ School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas – Austin. He is a graduate of Boston College with a BA in Political Science and a minor concentration in Computer Science. After college, Colin was a Jesuit International Volunteer in Arequipa, Peru.

Nicole Saad Bembridge: As Associate Director of NetChoice’s Litigation Center, Saad Bembridge focuses on NetChoice’s litigation and amicus efforts. She specializes in reviewing federal and state legislation that affect the First Amendment, freedom of speech, Section 230 and AI.

Before joining NetChoice, Saad Bembridge worked as a legal associate at the Cato Institute’s Center for Constitutional Studies, where she co-authored twelve appellate amicus briefs, a policy analysis on content moderation paradigms, and provided analysis on a broad range of constitutional and statutory issues of first impression. During law school, she worked at the United Nations and at Georgetown University’s Institute for Technology Law & Policy.

Saad Bembridge earned her J.D. from the Georgetown University Law Center, where she was a Technology Law and Policy Scholar. She holds B.A.s in Economics and Piano Performance from the University of Washington, Seattle.

Resources: Neurotechnology and Privacy The Neurorights Foundation Risk Framework for Body-Related Data in Immersive Technologies

A New Era of Internet Geopolitics The Blue Owl Group Center for Democracy and Technology Electronic Frontier Foundation Telecommunications Act of 1996 Digital Services Act

Legal Landscape for Online Expression

Moody v. NetChoice, LLC NetChoice, LLC v. Paxton Murthy v. Missouri National Rifle Association of America v. Vullo Lindke v. Freed and O’Connor-Ratcliff v. Garnier

The Tech Policy Grind Signs Off (For Now!) [S4E38] Dec 29, 2023

This final episode of the Tech Policy Grind season 4 stars Class Four Internet Law & Policy Foundry Fellows Meri Baghdasaryan, Lama Mohammed, and Reema Moussa one last time before their fellowship with The Foundry ends in January.

In this episode, the fellows reflect on the highlights of 2023, including the growth of the podcast, the Foundry’s participation in the State of the Net, and our renowned Trivia Night. Meri, Lama, and Reema share their 2024 plans, and some of the Class Four Fellow’s favorite memories at The Foundry, including a star feature from Joseph Catapano.

Listeners will also get a sneak peek into Season 5 from the show’s new co-executive producers, Class Five Fellows Evan Enzer and Daniela Guzmán Peña.

Finally, thank you to our Class Four Fellows for all of your valuable contributions to the Tech Policy Grind and to the Foundry!

Resources in this episode:

Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us.

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Reema Moussa, Lama Mohammed, Meri Baghdasaryan, Joseph Catapano, Rebeeca Kilberg, Evan Enzer, and Daniela Guzman Peña engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Reema, Lama, Meri, Joseph, Rebecca, Evan and Daniela are affiliated with.

How to Start a Tech Policy Podcast and Other Stories with Reema Moussa [S4E37] Dec 21, 2023

This week, Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Reema Moussa, the host and producer of this podcast. Reema is currently a third-year J.D. Candidate at the USC Gould School of Law focused on cybersecurity, privacy, internet governance, trust & safety, and other tech law and policy issues.

In this episode, Meri takes Reema through an introspective conversation about Reema’s journey as a law student and an ILPF Fellow, as the fellowship (and her time in law school) comes to an end. In addition, Reema reflects on her path to internet law and policy, starting with a formative college internship at the International Telecommunication Union in Geneva, which sparked her interest in international law, AI policy, and cyberwarfare. She then explains how she has found a niche at the nexus of cybersecurity & privacy, trust & safety, business, and the law over the last several years. Then, Meri and Reema get into her experience as a Foundry fellow and executive board member. She also highlights some of her other internships and organizations she’s been involved in.

Reema discusses her passion for being a bridge between professional communities and her goal of harnessing communication as a lawyer to drive innovation. As a tech optimist at heart, she discusses how she balances her motivation to use the law to protect people from the potential harms or abuses of technology, with her belief that technology can ultimately make the world better.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter! If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us.

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Reema Moussa and Meri Baghdasaryan engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Reema and Meri are affiliated with.

A 2023 Privacy Law Update with Keir Lamont and Divya Sridhar [S4E36] Dec 14, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind podcast! This week, Reema chats with Keir Lamont (Future of Privacy Forum) and Divya Sridhar (BBB National Programs) on the core 2023 privacy law updates you need to know. They cover updates since Keir was on the show last year discussing his 5 key predictions for 2023 – including how those predictions panned out, what actually happened, and what’s coming up in 2024.

As the Director of Privacy Initiatives at BBB National Programs, Divya’s portfolio encompasses the design, development and launch of multiple industry self-regulation privacy programs. She is a seasoned leader who previously served in numerous capacities at think tanks, private companies, and nonprofits leading government affairs and policy work.

Keir Lamont (CIPP/US) is the Director of the Future of Privacy Forum’s U.S. Legislation team. In this role he supports research and independent analysis concerning federal, state, and local consumer privacy laws and regulations. Keir previously held positions at CCIA and the Program on Data and Governance at Ohio State University. He holds a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center and a B.A. from the University of Florida.

You can check out Keir’s blog post on questions for 2024, last year’s episode, Divya’s articles mentioned, and other useful resources below.

Resources mentioned:

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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.

The TPG Gets Meta (Not That One): Podcasters Unite! with Angelique Carson, Nicole Dove, and Noah Katz [S4E35] Dec 07, 2023

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema gets “meta” by chatting with other podcasters to give a behind-the-scenes look into the world of tech policy podcast production. She chatted with Angelique Carson, host of The Privacy Beat podcast, Nicole Dove, host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast, and Noah Katz, host of the Careers in Data Privacy podcast. The podcast pros get into discuss how they launched their podcasts and what they’ve learned as podcast hosts. They also discuss their careers in the privacy, cybersecurity, and tech policy space.

About the podcasters:

Angelique Carson is a longtime privacy journalist. After working in Maine’s local media, she spent 11 years reporting on privacy at the IAPP. There, she served as the editor of The Privacy Advisor, a monthly publication. In 2016, she launched the first-ever privacy podcast by the same name. Now Director of Content Strategy at TerraTrue, a privacy-by-design software startup, she publishes The Privacy Beat Newsletter and The Privacy Beat Podcast. She frequently speaks at events, as well as on panels, webinars, and other podcasts, and she’s based in Washington, D.C.

Nicole Dove is an award-winning cybersecurity leader, university lecturer, LinkedIn Learning Instructor & host of the Urban Girl Corporate World podcast with over 18 years of experience driving results across cybersecurity, audit, global operations and relationship management functions. At Riot Games, she serves as Head of Security, Games Division. There, she’s building the company’s first global BISO team, furthering the alignment of business and information security initiatives.

Noah Katz (CIPP/US) recently graduated from Ohio State University’s Moritz College of Law. During his time in law school, Noah held internships at Zscaler, Ohio State University, and the Future of Privacy Forum. In addition, Noah was the Founder & President of the Data Privacy and Cybersecurity Club. He was also the Managing Editor at the Ohio State Technology Law Journal.

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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.

Brazilian Privacy Update with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso [S4E34] Nov 30, 2023

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema chats with Marcela Mattiuzzo and Nathalie Fragoso, Partners at VMCA Advogados, on Brazilian privacy law and regulatory policy updates.

They dive into recent activity from Brazil’s data protection authority (the ANPD), and the history of the LGPD. They also cover how regulatory control of Artificial Intelligence is shaping up.

Marcela Mattiuzzo is partner at VMCA in the areas of data protection and competition law. She holds a PhD and a Masters from the University of São Paulo. Previously, she was a Visiting Fellow at the Information Society Project at Yale University. In addition, she worked as advisor and chief of staff to the President of the Brazilian competition authority.

Nathalie Fragoso is a partner at VMCA in the area of data protection and technology as well, with a special focus on internet regulation. She is also a Professor at Insper. Previously, she has been the Head of Research on Privacy and Surveillance at InternetLab, and held roles at the Brazilian Institute for the Defense of the Right to Defense, the Criminal Justice Network, and the Luiz Gama Human Rights Clinic at the University of São Paulo Law School.

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DISCLAIMER: Reema engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions she is affiliated with.

What’s New In Tech Policy with the Foundry Fellows [S4E33] Nov 23, 2023

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This episode, Foundry Fellows Reema Moussa, Lama Mohammed, and Joe Catapano cover some of the latest headlines in tech policy.

They cover the latest updates in the Federal Trade Commission’s case against the data broker Kochava, the DOJ’s antitrust case against Google, and the reauthorization of Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). They also cover some global updates on AI regulation, from the White House’s AI executive order to the Global AI Safety Summit. Finally, Reema wraps up with coverage on Meta’s new political advertising disclosure policy around AI-generated content coinciding with new EU rules on targeted political ads for Big Tech.

Resources Referenced and Further Readings Aids:

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DISCLAIMER: Foundry Fellows Reema, Lama, and Joe engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions they are affiliated with.

Demystifying Election Security Misinformation with Katie Harbath [S4E32] Nov 02, 2023

Welcome back to the “Tech Policy Grind” podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Senior Fellow Lama Mohammed interviews Katie Harbath, CEO and Founder of Anchor Change on election security misinformation.

With 2024 setting out to be “tsunami” year of elections, Lama and Katie dive deep into definitions, misinformation around election infrastructure. Then, they get into the role of AI in disinformation, rebuilding trust between public users, technologists, government, and the media, and more.

Anchor Change is a consulting organization developing solutions at the intersection of tech, policy, and business. They focus on global issues related to democracy, elections, and civic engagement online.

You also can connect with Katie on LinkedIn and Twitter, or by subscribing to her newsletter “Anchor Change with Katie Harbath.”

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

Resources Referenced and Further Readings Aids:

“Mis-, Dis-, and Malinformation Planning and Incident Response Guide for Election Officials” by the United States Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA)
“People Are Disinformation’s Biggest Problem, Not AI, Experts Say” by Nate Lanxon and Jackie Davalos for Bloomberg
“Hivemind: The New Science of Tribalism in Our Divided World” by Sarah Rose Cavanagh, Ph.D
Trends in Gen Z News Consumption in Morning Consult
Editors’ Note: Gaza Hospital Coverage in The New York Times
“Impossible Tradeoffs with Katie Harbath” podcast
Integrity Institute
United States Polling Place Locator

DISCLAIMER: Lama engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in her personal capacity. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions Lama is affiliated with.

What’s Class Five Up To? With Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña [S4E31] Oct 26, 2023

This week, host Reema Moussa catches up with three Class 5 fellows Evan Enzer, Zia Mohammad, and Daniela Guzman Peña. Evan Enzer is the editor of the Tech Policy Grind podcast and a consultant focused on privacy law compliance and operations. Zia is a technologist working as a product manager for Amazon Web Services in quantum computing. Daniela is a co-producer of the Tech Policy Grind podcast, former journalist, and working on policy development and stakeholder engagement at a tech platform. We caught up with these three fellows to hear more about their diverse careers in tech policy and what they’ve been working on during their first year with the Foundry.

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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Evan, Zia, and Daniela engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Evan, Zia, and Daniela are affiliated with.

Fellow Highlights: Curiosity and Collaboration with Dyllan Brown-Bramble [S4E30] Oct 19, 2023

This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Dyllan Brown-Bramble, who is a Class 4 fellow and leads Foundry’s Annual Policy Hackathon Committee. Dyllan is an associate at a global law firm where he practices privacy and cybersecurity law. He also serves as a Junior Board Member for the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.). Dyllan graduated from Georgetown University Law Center in 2018 where he was a Technology Law and Policy Scholar and before that he graduated from Rutgers University in 2014.

Meri and Dyllan chat about Dyllan’s path into privacy and cybersecurity, skills needed to be a successful lawyer in this field, and Dyllan’s activities at the Foundry. Dyllan highlights the importance of being curious, learning continuously and remembering that collaboration will take you further, than competition.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

IAPP Newsletter
TechCrunch
Fortune – Data Sheet and Eye On A.I.
Georgetown Center Privacy & Technology
Georgetown Law Institute for Technology Law & Policy
Bar Associates and Meetups

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DISCLAIMER: Dyllan Brown-Bramble and Meri Baghdasaryan engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect on the organizations Dyllan and Meri are affiliated with.

Getting Up to Speed on Vehicle Privacy with Adonne Washington and Andrea Amico [S4E29] Oct 12, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry! On this week’s episode, Evan Enzer, an ILPF fellow and car-centric SoCal Native, met up with Adonne Washington (Future of Privacy Forum) and Andrea Amico (Privacy4Cars) to cover our introduction to vehicle privacy, a fast-emerging market in the broader privacy law and policy profession.

They get into Andrea’s new project, VehiclePrivacyReport.com; FPF’s excellent introductory resources; Mozilla’s latest edition of Privacy Not Included; and the California Privacy Protection Agency’s (CPPA’s) auto company enforcement sweep. The trio also briefly mentions Evan’s Wiretaps on Wheel’s whitepaper. These resources should be enough to bring us up to speed (puns always intended) on car privacy.

Resources Referenced

Future of Privacy Forum’s infographics and material on connected cars: https://fpf.org/blog/infographic-data-connected-car-version-1-0/. Privacy4Cars’ Vehicle Privacy Report: https://vehicleprivacyreport.com/report/. Mozilla’s Privacy Not Included: https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/blog/privacy-nightmare-on-wheels-every-car-brand-reviewed-by-mozilla-including-ford-volkswagen-and-toyota-flunks-privacy-test/. STOP’s wiretaps on Wheels whitepaper: https://www.stopspying.org/wiretaps-on-wheels./

Queer Privacy and Digital Equity with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan and Vinny DiGilio [S4E28] Oct 05, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week’s episode is all about queer privacy. Foundry Fellow Katelyn Ringrose chats with Cobun Zweifel-Keegan (IAPP) and Vinny DiGilio (Grindr) about privacy issues impacting the queer community.

They get into what queer privacy means to them, and why digital equity is so critical for LGBTQ+ people, most especially, youth. Then, Cobun and Vinny discuss what it means to be part of two, sometimes intersecting identities, as queer privacy professionals, and how their advocacy on behalf of their community impacts their work on the day-to-day.

Plus, LGBT Tech chimes in to discuss some of their policy work, and how to support bridging the digital divide.

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Resources Referenced:

LGBT Tech

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Data Brokers, Ad-Tech, and the Civil Liberties at Stake with Justin Sherman [S4E27] Sep 28, 2023

This week, Reema sits down with Justin Sherman, CEO of Global Cyber Strategies, to talk all things data brokers.

They cover the ad-tech ecosystem, the past, current, and future of federal and state-level regulation on data brokers, and what the data brokerage industry means for civil liberties. They then dig deep into recent FTC action, including the implications of FTC v. Kochava, the California DELETE Act, and what might be coming down the pipeline in data broker regulation – including the CFPB’s latest action on data brokers.

Justin’s consulting firm, Global Cyber Strategies, is a Washington, DC-based research and advisory firm. Justin is also a senior fellow at Duke University’s Sanford School of Public Policy, where he leads its data brokerage research project and lectures on cybersecurity, privacy, and technology policy. In addition, he is a nonresident fellow at the Atlantic Council. He’s also a contributing editor at Lawfare, an op-ed columnist at Slate Magazine, and a fellow at Stanford Starling Lab.

Justin also serves as an advisor to the Christchurch Call to Eliminate Terrorist and Violent Extremist Content Online, a community of more than 120 governments, online service providers, and civil society organizations working to eliminate violent extremist content on the internet. Additionally, he is the technology advisor to the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.).

Resources mentioned in the episode:

2013 U.S. Committee on Commerce, Science, and Transportation Report – A Review of the Data Broker Industry: Collection, Use, and Sale of Consumer Data for Marketing Purposes
2014 Federal Trade Commission Report -Data Brokers: A Call for Transparency and Accountability
2023 Washington Post investigation into the outing of a closeted priest using phone location data originating from, among others, Grindr
Justin’s 2022 Lawfare article on a data broker who helped run anti-abortion ads to women in clinic waiting rooms
2022 Open Secrets report on data brokers who make millions selling data to political groups

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An Engineer’s Guide to Cyber Policy with Grant Versfeld [S4E26] Sep 14, 2023

This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Grant Versfeld. Grant is Co-Vice President for the Foundry’s current E-Board and is a Threat Intelligence Engineer at a major tech company. He recently graduated from Tufts University with a degree in Computer Science, where he specialized in cybersecurity and technology policy. As a student, he served as a Teaching Assistant for Dr. Susan Landau at the Fletcher School and interned with the Center for Democracy and Technology. In his spare time, Grant volunteers with an organization that provides security and privacy services to survivors of intimate partner violence.

Meri and Grant chat about threat intelligence, Grant’s work with CDT and at the Foundry. Then, they reflect on the importance of interdisciplinary approach and collaboration in tech policy and beyond.

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Human Memory and Digital Preservation with Stephen Abrams [S4E25] Sep 07, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Rebecca Kilberg interviews Dr. Stephen Abrams, Head of the Digital Preservation program at the Harvard University Library.

How do priorities for digital preservation develop? How similar are digital preservation strategies and policies to those used in traditional preservation contexts, and where do they differ? What new costs must be accounted for, and what unexpected benefits are being uncovered? Our experts explore how preservationists are adjusting to novel challenges and opportunities while developing the digital arm of a field devoted to “ensuring the continuity of human memory.”

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Cyberlaw and Incident Response with Jena Valdetero [S4E24] Aug 31, 2023

This week Class 5 Fellow Gabe Rudin sits down with Jena Valdetero, the Co-Chair of the Greenberg Traurig’s (GT) U.S. Data Privacy and Cybersecurity Practice for a discussion on cyberlaw and incident response.

Jena and Gabe discuss Jena’s path to the field, changing technologies and tactics employed by threat actors, what incident response entails, the SEC’s new cybersecurity disclosure rules, and the practical demands of a cybersecurity lawyer.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

New SEC cybersecurity rules regarding breaches

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Spanning the Tech Policy Spectrum with David Morar [S4E23] Aug 24, 2023

This week, Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with David Morar, Ph.D. David is a researcher and public policy professional, and a three-time ICANN Fellow. His work spans the spectrum of technology policy issues, both nationally and internationally, from privacy and open data to ethics and content issues (e.g. disinformation, moderation). David is currently a Senior Policy Analyst with New America’s Open Technology Institute, a visiting scholar at the Schar School of Policy and Government, and a Fellow at the Digital Interests Lab, among other affiliations.

Meri and David chat about the dynamics behind tech policy making in the US and Europe, David’s engagement with Internet Governance communities, particularly at ICANN, and the importance of not self-eliminating, but showing up and contributing, as you learn and expand your expertise.

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Privacy, Patience and Practice with Justin P’ng [S4E22] Aug 17, 2023

This week, Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Justin P’ng. Justin is a Class 4 Fellow and a privacy and cybersecurity lawyer at Fasken Martineau DuMoulin LLP, an international law firm based in Canada. His practice focuses on cyber incident response, data governance, and privacy compliance. He obtained his law degree from Osgoode Hall Law School and previously studied International Relations at the University of Toronto. Justin is a Junior Board Member at the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project and was formerly President of the Federation of Asian Canadian Lawyers (FACL Ontario), a pan-Asian affinity bar association. He is interested in privacy frameworks, digital security, human rights, cybersecurity policy, and artificial intelligence regulation.

Meri and Justin chat about Justin’s journey into privacy and cybersecurity. They chat about his early and ongoing interests in human rights law, and initiatives he works on. Justin shares an overview of his day-to-day practice, the challenges and excitement of working in a dynamic field, as well as his projects and experience at the Foundry.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

LinkedIn updates – suggested experts to follow: Omer Tene, Daniel Solove, Phil Lee, Odia Kagan
IAPP and its KnowledgeNet chapters
Law firm blogs, newsletters, bulletins, webinars
Podcasts – Privacy Beat, Lawfare, The Sunday show, Cyberlaw podcast

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Cracking the Code: Addressing AI Bias with Jiahao Chen, Amber Ezzell, and Juhi Koré [S4E21] Aug 10, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry!

In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with Jiahao Chen, Founder and CEO of Artifical Intelligence, LLC, Amber Ezzell, Policy Counsel at the Future of Privacy Forum, and Juhi Koré, Digital Projects in a recent panel on bias in artificial intelligence (AI).

In a fourth event in a series of AI-related webinars leading up to The Foundry’s Annual Policy Hackathon, Lama, Jiahao, Amber, and Juhi define AI bias, explain its harmful effects, and provide insights into global AI policy developments.

The experts that joined the episode:

Jiahao Chen is the Founder and CEO of Responsible Artificial Intelligence, LLC. Before founding Responsible AI Jiahao was a Research Scientist at MIT’s Computer Science and Artificial Intelligence Lab where he co-founded and led the Julia Lab. There, he focused on applications of the Julia programming language, scientific computing, and machine learning.
Amber Ezzell is a Policy Counsel at the Future of Privacy Forum. In particular, she focuses on artificial intelligence and machine learning, and employee and workplace privacy.
Juhi Koré works within the UNDP’s Chief Digital Office, where she manages digital products and contributes to fundraising/partnerships efforts.

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Building a Responsible Tech Community with David Polgar [S4E20] Aug 03, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! This week, Reema chats with David Ryan Polgar, Founder of All Tech is Human, about creating a responsible tech community.

They get into what responsible tech means, and why David thinks New York City is the center of the responsible tech community. Reema and David also dig into his background, and how his multiple hats as an attorney, educator, and founder contribute to his outlook on what responsible tech means for our local and global societies in the digital age.

Plus, Reema and fellow Foundry Fellow Lama Mohammed chat with attendees of All Tech is Human’s latest NYC Responsible Tech mixer about what the responsible tech community means to them.

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Will Art Survive In the Age of Generative AI? With Kieran Henstenburg and Christopher Shannon [S4E19] Jul 27, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry! In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with Glen Echo Group’s Creative Director, Christopher Shannon, and Associate Designer Kieran Henstenburg.

The Glen Echo Group is a public affairs and public relations firm headquartered in Washington, D.C., specializing in policy and communications in technology policy. GEG works across the digital ecosystem, including artificial intelligence, broadband, cybersecurity, immersive technology, privacy, and more.

In this conversation, Lama chats with Christopher and Kieran about how organizations’ creative and design teams can set up guardrails when utilizing generative artificial intelligence and the ethical questions to consider when using the technology.

With the ongoing Writer’s Strike still dominating headlines, our experts dive into the importance of accountability, transparency, and responsible usage of AI-enabled tools to protect the artistic and entertainment industry. They balance these considerations with that of still being able to democratize the field for underrepresented communities.

You can connect with Christopher and Kieran on LinkedIn and view all the great work they do for the Glen Echo Group by visiting the firm’s website or following the Glen Echo Group on social media.

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Resources Referenced:

DISCLAIMER: Lama, Christopher, and Kieran engaged with this episode by the Internet Law & Policy Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions Lama, Christopher, and Kieran are affiliated, associated, or work with.

Artificial Intelligence Use Cases with Gillian Diebold, Hodan Omaar, & Charley Snyder [S4E18] Jul 20, 2023

The rollout of generative AI has helped illustrate how transformative AI technology can be. But the emergence of AI shouldn’t be surprising since it’s been implemented across sectors for years. This episode’s discussion centers around the various artificial intelligence use cases in a number of verticals.

In this conversation moderated by Foundry Fellow Alvaro Marañon, Hodan Omaar (ITIF), Charley Snyder, (Google), and Gillian Diebold (ITIF) discuss how artificial intelligence has been developed and deployed in various industries from enhancing organizational cybersecurity to modernizing public education.

For more on artificial intelligence use cases, check out the full discussion here.

Stay tuned for more updates to come on the Foundry’s annual Policy Hackathon!

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Decentralizing Social Media with Eric Goldman [S4E17] Jul 13, 2023

What does Meta’s Threads product mean for the future of social media? Reema dives into this and the current state of social media with Professor Eric Goldman, one of the world’s leading experts on social media and the law. They discuss how the fediverse works and the pros and cons of decentralizing social media. Professor Goldman explores how content moderation impacts the potential proliferation of decentralizing social media platforms, and vice versa.

They also cover how interoperability online interacts with competition concerns, and what this means for social media users’ experience. Plus, stay tuned for Professor Goldman’s favorite piece of advice to his students at SCU law.

Eric Goldman is a Professor of Law and Co-Director of the High Tech Law Institute at Santa Clara University School of Law. Follow him on LinkedIn or his many other social media platforms (@ericgoldman).

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Artificial Intelligence and Intellectual Property [S4E16] Jul 06, 2023

Many have called for AI regulation, but existing IP laws already apply to generative AI because they protect the original works of authorship used to train foundational models. In this conversation moderated by Foundry Fellow Ekene Chuks-Okeke, IP experts Elena Gurevich (Center for Art Law, EG Legal Services) Franklin Graves (HCA Healthcare, Creator Economy Law) and Juyoun Han (Eisenberg & Baum, LLP) discuss the relationship between copyright and AI, artists perspectives, nuances of pending litigation, current guidance from the US Copyright Office, and how the values of artists and creatives in the marketplace can and will shape the future of generative AI.

From the Hill to the Bar: A Path to Cyberlaw with Allyson McReynolds [S4E15] Jun 29, 2023

This week Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Allyson McReynolds, a recent graduate from George Mason University Antonin Scalia Law School and currently a Legal Fellow at the Wikimedia Foundation. Prior to law school, Allyson worked in the U.S. House of Representatives as a Legislative Assistant advising on homeland security, technology, and judiciary policy. In law school she held internships at the Federal Communications Commission, US Senate, and Future of Privacy Forum. She is a member of the Fourth Class of Foundry Fellows and serves as the Communications Director.

Meri and Allyson chat about Allyson’s work on the Capitol Hill, her interests and internships in the field of privacy and cybersecurity, Allyson’s engagement with the Foundry and how to maximize your time at law school.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

Connect with Allyson McReynolds on LinkedIn here; https://www.linkedin.com/in/allyson-mcreynolds-a69485121/

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Artificial Intelligence 101 [S4E14] Jun 23, 2023

In this episode, Foundry Fellow Dyllan Brown-Bramble chats with Micaela Mantegna, Bikalpa Neupane, and Adil Islam. Dyllan and the panelists cover the basic who, what, when, where and why of artificial intelligence.

The conversation panel discussed what AI is, its future, and their thoughts on the pros and cons of AI technology.

This event is the first in a series of AI-related events leading up to our Fourth Annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will be held this September 22-24th. Check out the latest information about the Hackathon on our website at or on our social media.

The experts that joined the episode:

Micaela Mantegna – Micaela is an activist and scholar, known for her extensive work and public advocacy on AI and XR ethics, video games, generative AI, creativity and copyright. Currently, she is a TED Fellow and an affiliate at the Berkman Klein Center at Harvard. She is also a member of the Chatham House AITask Force. She was part of the external red team that contributed to evaluate OpenAI’s DALL·E 2 Preview in 2022. In addition, she collaborated with the Argentinian government in drafting the AI ethics and regulation chapter of Argentina’s National AI Plan in 2019. After 6 years of research, she published her first book “ARTficial: creativity, artificial intelligence and copyright” in 2022.

Dr. Bikalpa Neupane – Bikalpa is the Head of AI and NLP at Takeda Pharmaceuticals, one of the largest R&D driven pharmaceuticals in the world. In his role, he manages distributed teams in US and Europe, and provides ‘AI-ML-NLP’ and ‘Experimentation as a service’ to several business units. He is from Nepal and he received his PhD degree in Informatics with focus on AI and ML discrimination from Penn State University. He teaches at several universities in areas of advanced data analytics, natural language processing and data mining.

Adil Islam – Adil is the Chief of Staff at Stability.ai, one of the leading companies behind the generative AI revolution. He also works on girls’ education in Pakistan, deploying AI applications for students at Karachi’s largest public girls’ school. In the past, Adil led the product and business organization at Petuum, an MLOps startup.

Catching Up with the Oversight Board: Reporting on Content Moderation, Elections & Human Rights with Pamela San Martín [S4E13] Jun 15, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed interviews Pamela San Martín, Board Member of the Oversight Board to discuss the success, lessons learned, and the cases filed from their latest Annual Report.

They dig into issues concerning content moderation, human rights, global elections, misinformation, and more hot-button topics mentioned in the report.

As a former lawyer and Electoral Councilor at the National Electoral Institute in Mexico, Pamela has dedicated her career to advancing human rights, freedom of expression, and democratic institutions, aiding her role as a consultant on elections, democracy, and human rights. You can learn more about Pamela by following her on Twitter.

Lama is a member of the 4th Class of Foundry Fellows. She currently works as a Senior Associate at the Glen Echo Group in Washington, DC — a communications and public relations firm specializing in tech policy. At the Glen Echo Group, Lama works on policy and communications within artificial intelligence, cybersecurity, and privacy.

Connect with Pamela (@SnMartinPamela) on Twitter or LinkedIn and view all the work the Oversight Board has done in the last year and plans to do in the next year by reading the Oversight Board report online.

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Collaborating for a Secure, Stable Internet: A Conversation with ICANN’s Sally Costerton [S4E12] Jun 08, 2023

Welcome back! In this episode, Joe Catapano, ILPF Class 4 fellow interviews Sally Costerton, Interim President & CEO of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN). In addition to its core technical functions of coordinating the Internet’s unique identifiers, ICANN is one of the premier global multistakeholder policy making bodies that help govern the Internet.

As ICANN approaches its 77th Public Meeting in Washington, DC Joe and Sally discuss challenges to the multistakeholder model of Internet governance, hosting effective global hybrid meetings, Sally’s career path that led her to the world of tech policy, and much more.

After you listen, register for ICANN77 (virtual registration available only after June 7, 2023).

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Rethinking Multistakerholderism in Internet Governance with Ayden Férdeline [S4E11] Jun 01, 2023

This week, Class 4 Fellow and Fellow Highlights series host Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Fellow Class 4 Fellow Ayden Férdeline.

Meri and Ayden chat about the multiple hats Ayden wears in the Internet Governance ecosystem, the Global Digital Compact, the roles of various stakeholders in this space and the avenues to create your own opportunities.

Ayden Férdeline is a Landecker Democracy Fellow with the support of the Alfred Landecker Foundation and Humanity in Action. He monitors the development of the UN Secretary-General’s proposed Global Digital Compact ahead of 2024’s Summit of the Future. Ayden was previously a rapporteur with the Forum on Information and Democracy. He also was a technology policy fellow with the Mozilla Foundation.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

“Influencing the Internet: Democratizing the Politics that Shape Internet Governance Norms and Standards” (National Democratic Institute, 2022)
Global Digital Compact
CircleID
The Register

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Gaming and Civil Rights with Albert Fox Cahn [S4E10] May 25, 2023

Welcome back to the show! Reema’s out this week – so our editor, Evan Enzer, subbed in for a conversation with Albert Fox Cahn of the Surveillance Technology Oversight Project (S.T.O.P.) on the intersections of speech, gaming and civil rights.

Evan and Albert talk about what they’ve been working on over the last few months. They begin with Albert’s long career path from big law to public interest tech policy, why S.T.O.P. is interested in gaming and civil rights, and whether content moderation is an effective way to stop online harassment. Then, they discuss S.T.O.P.’s priority legislation in New York. They also talk about the Wheel of Time and how new professionals can get involved with S.T.O.P..

Resources:

Behind the Screen: Content Moderation in the Shadows of Social Media by Sarah T. Roberts
Banned for Being (STOP’s video game report)
STOP’s board for new professionals
Volunteer with STOP
The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan

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AI Integrity with Talha Baig [S4E09] May 19, 2023

Welcome back! This week, Reema sits down with Talha Baig, co-host of the Trust in Tech podcast and former AI Integrity engineer at Meta. Reema and Talha chat about developments in generative AI and how it affects trust and safety online and get into the weeds on how AI is applied in the integrity space – and the implications of AI on the integrity space itself.

Talha also describes how integrity engineers differ in function from other technical teams, and their relationship with the legal and policy world. They ponder the question: does trust and safety need a regulator? Then, they dig into the Trust in Tech podcast and what Talha is up to at the Integrity Institute.

Resources mentioned in the episode:

Trust in Tech Podcast
Ranking by Engagement: Tom Cunningham
How Streaming Hurt Hollywood Writers: The Daily
Mushtaq Khan on using institutional economics to predict effective government reforms: 80,000 Hours Podcast
Happy City: Transforming Our Lives Through Urban Design by Charles Montgomery
The Price of Peace: Money, Democracy, and the Life of John Maynard Keynes by Zachary D. Carter

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Connecting the Dots Backwards with Ellen Magallanes [S4E08] May 11, 2023

This week Meri chatted with Class 4 Fellow Ellen Magallanes on her experience in privacy and at the Wikimedia Foundation.

Ellen is a dual-qualified US-Australian attorney and a Senior Counsel at the Wikimedia Foundation. Privacy law, like all the best rabbit holes, was something she fell into and never looked back. Now, Ellen furthers her interest in privacy with tech law advocacy in both of her homes: Australia and the US.

They dig into her move from Australia to the US, her work at Wikimedia, and the challenges and wonders of tech policy advocacy and product counseling. Then, Ellen reflects on her journey to her current role and highlights the importance of experimenting to discover one’s passion and interests. She also covers taking the CIPP/US exam from IAPP.

Find and connect with Ellen Magallanes on LinkedIn here!

Resources mentioned in the episode:

The Model Minority Myth in Tech [S3E05]
Weapons of Math Destruction by Cathy O’Neill
Dare to Lead by Brene Brown
Braving the Wilderness by Brene Brown
You’re Invited by Jon Levy

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Finding the Tech Policy Community with Ashkhen Kazaryan [S4E07] Apr 27, 2023

We are back with our next fellow highlight episode. Class 4 Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan sits down with Ashkhen Kazaryan, a tech policy expert and a former Foundry Fellow.

Ashkhen manages policy projects related to free speech, content moderation, surveillance reform, and the intersection of constitutional rights and technology. Currently, she is a Senior Fellow at Stand Together on the Free Speech and Peace team. She leads the development and execution of Stand Together’s strategy to defend free speech online and to promote a culture of pluralism.

Prior to that, she was a Content Policy Manager on the Content Regulation team at Meta. She covered content policy for North and Latin America, as well as leading on policy for Section 230. Before joining Meta, she was the Director of Civil Liberties at TechFreedom where she managed coalition-building and hosted The Tech Policy Podcast. Ashkhen is regularly featured as an expert commentator in news outlets, including CNBC, BBC, FOX DC, Newsy, Politico, Axios, The Information, Protocol, The Washington Examiner, and others.

Meri and Ashkhen chat about how Ashkhen’s educational and cultural background impacted her journey into tech policy. They discuss the tech policy issues that are top of mind for Ashkhen. She also covers finding your path in the field of tech law and policy and the importance of building community.

You can connect with Ashkhen on LinkedIn and Twitter.

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Additional Resources and Reading:

Podcasts: The Tech Policy Podcast Moderated Content

University Centers: Stanford Internet Observatory Berkeley Tech Policy Initiative Yale Information Society Project Harvard Berkman Klein Center Cornell Tech Policy Institute New York University Engelberg Center on Innovation Law and Policy UC Boulder Silicon Flatirons Georgetown Center on Privacy and Technology Columbia University Knight First Amendment Institute George Washington University Law School Ethical Tech Initiative American University Center for Security, Innovation and New Technology UPenn Center for Technology, Innovation & Competition

Think Tanks: ACLU Center for Democracy and Technology Public Knowledge New America Open Technology Institute TechFreedom R Street Chamber of Progress NetChoice CCIA

Cases to read about: Gonzalez v. Google Twitter v. Taamneh Netchoice CCIA v Moody Netchoice CCCIA v Paxton

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Health Privacy 101 with Jordan Wrigley and Kirk Nahra [S4E06] Apr 20, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! Today, class is in session for Health Privacy 101 with Jordan Wrigley and Kirk Nahra.

In May 2022, the leaked SCOTUS decision overturning Roe v. Wade shocked the nation. About a month later, the Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization case officially overturned the constitutional right to abortion. Last year, we talked with EFF’s Eva Galperin on the Tech Policy Grind about how technology could amplify surveillance on women’s reproductive health in a Post-Dobbs world. Around the same time, The Federal Trade Commission, the White House, civil society, industry, and lots of other stakeholders got to thinking – what is the role of digital privacy and security in protecting women from being prosecuted by their state or local governments for receiving life-saving care?

In this episode, we revisit that subject, under a broader lens. Reema sits down with Kirk Nahra, partner and co-chair of the privacy and cybersecurity practice at Wilmer Hale, a large international law firm, and Jordan Wrigley, a health privacy researcher at the Future of Privacy Forum, who is leading FPF’s Health Privacy Working Group. Kirk and Jordan are some of the leading health data privacy experts in the country. We get into what the American legal landscape looks like for health privacy, some of the FTC’s recent actions in this space, and more.

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The TPG North American Tour: the Foundry Takes ICANN76, WiCyS ’23, and IAPP’s Global Privacy Summit [S4E05] Apr 13, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! In this episode, we hit the road once again for our North American tour of some major tech policy conferences. This time, we head to the ICANN76 Community Forum in Cancún, Mexico, the Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) 2023 Conference in Denver, Colorado, and the IAPP Global Privacy Summit in Washington DC.

The ICANN76 Community Forum is the 76th ICANN Meeting since ICANN’s inception in 1998. Reema chats with Cindyneia Cantanhêde, a Brazilian data privacy attorney based in Sao Paulo, who was at the conference as an ICANN Fellow (along with Reema).

The WiCyS Conference brings together women in cybersecurity to dig into substantive, technical conversations on what’s going on in the field. But it also is a space for women (who only represent 25% of the cybersecurity industry) and allies to connect and get inspired about retention and advancement in the field. Reema chats with Lynn Dohm, Executive Director of WiCyS about the conference’s history and goals. Then, she talks to Anna Lainfiesta, Security Team Lead at Zendesk about her experience as a WiCyS conference first-timer. Anna is also the Secretary of the WiCyS Privacy, Law and Policy Affiliate.

Finally, Reema and Lama head to the Global Privacy Summit, where they led a session (along with Foundry Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan). Lama catches up with Leona Lewis, Senior Counsel, Privacy, Ethics and Compliance at Thrasio; Saleela Khanum Salahuddin, Attorney Advisor at Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board (PCLOB); and former Foundry Fellow Jacqueline Ahn, Senior Attorney of Data Privacy at IBM.

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DISCLAIMER: Lama and Reema engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect the organizations Lama and Reema are affiliated with.

A DIY Tech Policy Major: Fellow Highlight with Lama Mohammed [S4E04] Apr 07, 2023

Last season we started a tradition of featuring old and current Foundry Fellows in an episode spotlight. In this episode, we bring this tradition back with Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed kicking off the Foundry Fellows Highlight series for Season Four, covering her career path and DIY creation of a her own “tech policy major” at American University!

Class 4 Fellow and Tech Policy Grind host, editor and producer Reema Moussa sits down with Lama during the IAPP GPS Conference. You’ve heard her on the show before, but we get into her background. She spends her 9-5 as a Senior Associate at the Glen Echo Group. Glen Echo Group is a Washington, DC-based public affairs and public relations firm specializing in technology policy.

Reema chats with Lama about her journey, including how Lama embarked on her technology policy career pathway while at AU, her work for The Foundry and All Tech Is Human, her hopes for the future and more!

You can connect with Lama on LinkedIn. Check out the Foundry on Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn and subscribe to our newsletter!

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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

Resources Referenced:

DISCLAIMER: Lama and Reema engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on air do not reflect the organizations Lama and Reema are affiliated with.

Welcome to Our New Foundry Fellows: the Next Generation of Tech Policy Professionals [S4E03] Mar 30, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry! In this episode, Class 4 Fellow Lama Mohammed chats with new Foundry Fellows Ekene Chuks-Okeke, an LLM student in the Law, Technology & Entrepreneurship program at Cornell Tech, and Lili Siri Spira, the Social Media and Campaign Marketing Manager for the TechEquity Collaborative — a nonprofit focusing on socioeconomic inequities in the tech industry.

They get into their backgrounds, induction to Foundry as new Foundry Fellows, experience at State of the Net and more!

You can connect with Ekene (@ipcybrmediagrl) and Lili (@lilisirispira) on Twitter or LinkedIn and view all the great work they will bring to the Foundry by following us on social media or subscribing to our newsletter.

Resources Referenced:

To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).

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Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for our next episode!

DISCLAIMER: Lama, Ekene and Lili engage with the Foundry voluntarily and in their personal capacities. The views and opinions expressed on this show do not reflect the organizations and institutions Lama, Ekene and Lili are affiliated, associated or work with.

Digital Safety and That Section 230 Thing – Conversations from State of the Net (Part 2) [S4E02] Mar 23, 2023

We’re back with Part 2 of our State of the Net series, and this week we’re chatting kids privacy and what’s going on with Section 230!

In this episode, Reema and Joe talk digital privacy and safety issues for children with Natalie Campbell (Internet Society). Then, Reema chats with Matt Perault (University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill) and Yaël Eisenstat (Anti-Defamation League) on Section 230 and the current landscape of platform liability.

In case you missed last week, for the past (nearly) two decades, the State of the Net Conference has served as the convening point for tech policy professionals to chart a course forward for the tech policy decisions of the future. We were there to chat with tech policy experts on their takes on the latest digital issues of the day.

Section 230 shields platforms (like Google, Meta, and others) from liability for the unlawful content their users may post. Yaël and Matt dig into the recent oral arguments heard before the Supreme Court and legislative developments on changing 230.

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Disclaimer: Reema, Joe, and the Foundry Fellows engage with the Foundry in their personal capacities. Their views here aren’t reflective of those of the organizations and institutions they’re affiliated with.

What’s Going on with the Web? Conversations from State of the Net 2023 (Part 1) [S4E01] Mar 16, 2023

We’re back with new episodes every Thursday for Season 4 of the Tech Policy Grind! And if you couldn’t tell, we’re really excited about what’s to come. To kick off the season, we hit the road and headed to the State of the Net Conference, where tech policy professionals have convened annually for nearly two decades to collectively look towards all that lies on the horizon in the wild world that is tech policy.

For Part 1 of our conversations at State of the Net, we sit down with Alan Davidson (NTIA), Bertram Lee Jr. (Future of Privacy Forum), and Patrick Lin (Latham & Watkins). Alan Davidson sits down with Reema to talk about NTIA’s efforts to connect Americans to the web. Bertram Lee Jr. talks about the intersections of AI legislation and privacy principles. Rounding out this episode is a conversation with Patrick Lin, who digs into the fascinating issues emerging in copyright and digital rights around generative AI.

Make sure to tune in next week for Part 2 of our State of the Net conversations!

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If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us.

Disclaimer: Reema and Lama engage with the Foundry in their personal capacities. Their views here aren’t reflective of those of the organizations and institutions they’re affiliated with.

Will the U.S. Ban TikTok? With Adam Kovacevich and Carl Szabo [S4E00] Feb 02, 2023

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Joe Catapano chats with Adam Kovacevich, Chamber of Progress and Carl Szabo, NetChoice on whether the U.S. can, will, or should ban TikTok. There are many options being discussed from an outright ban on the app, to divestiture and audits of TikTok’s algorithms.

Take a listen to hear from two of DC’s experts in tech policy on whether the U.S. can ban TikTok.

Note: We recorded this episode on January 12, 2023. It does not reflect any developments after that date.

You can connect with Adam on Twitter @adamkovac, and Carl @carlszabo. Visit https://progresschamber.org/ for more information on the Chamber of Progress and https://netchoice.org/ for more information on NetChoice.

Thanks for listening, and stay tuned for Season 4 this coming March!

Joe participates in the Internet Law & Policy Foundry in his personal capacity. Any commentary in this podcast is his alone and does not reflect the views of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers. ICANN is a technical organization and does not deal with matters related to content, apps, or anything outside of the Internet’s unique identifiers as outlined in its mission.

A Year in Review with the Tech Policy Grind [S3E30] Dec 29, 2022

What a year it’s been…in this episode, some familiar faces (or rather, voices) from the Tech Policy Grind team of Internet Law and Policy Foundry Class 4 Fellows come together to review the revival of the pod with Season 3 this year. We dive into the original history behind the podcast’s conception, what the Foundry has been up to this year, and what we’re looking forward to in 2023.

Also, we chat over some exciting changes coming to the Foundry Fellowship in 2023. If you’re interested in joining the Foundry as a Fellow, make sure to check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry) for updates on when the 2023 Fellow Application will be released.

It’s been a wild ride. Whether you’ve been tuning in since the beginning or just hopped on, we want to hear from you! Reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us. What are your thoughts on the show this season, and what are you hoping to see in Season 4?

That’s right; we’ll be back in 2023 with some exciting changes for Season 4 of your favorite tech policy podcast.

Signing off for now – have a happy new year everyone!

Much love,

Reema, Meri, Joe, Lama, and the whole Tech Policy Grind Team

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Disclaimer: The thoughts and opinions discussed in this episode do not reflect the views of the organizations and institutions that Reema, Meri, Joe, and Lama are affiliated with.

When Law and Computer Science Meet: Fellow Highlight with Nathan Reitinger [S3E29] Dec 22, 2022

We’re coming down to the end of Season 3 of the Tech Policy Grind! For our last Fellow Highlight of the season (and 2022), Reema chats with Class 4 Foundry Fellow Nathan Reitinger, PhD Candidate in Computer Science at the University of Maryland…and JD? Tune in to hear about Nathan’s experience in applied privacy, and what a career at the nexus of law and computer science looks like.

Nathan is a lawyer and computer scientist. He holds a masters in computer science, security track, from Columbia University (advised by Steve Bellovin), a JD from Michigan State (licensed in New Hampshire), and is currently enrolled in a computer science PhD program at the University of Maryland (advised by Michelle Mazurek). Nathan’s work focuses on where law and computer science meet, using tools from each of the respective disciplines to solve interesting problems. More specifically, he works in the area of applied privacy: It shouldn’t take a masters-level degree in computing to obtain privacy in today’s world, but it does—and we should fix that!

Check out Nathan’s website here; https://nathanreitinger.umiacs.io/

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Article Mentioned: EU Commission Publishes Draft Adequacy Decision on Privacy Shield 2.0 [Goodwin Procter, Data + Privacy + Cybersecurity Insights Blog by Lore Leitner, Boris Segalis, Omer Tene, Gretchen Scott, Gabe Maldoff, Josephine Jay and Arjun Dhar].

Privacy Legislation in 2023: What’s Coming in the New Year? with Keir Lamont [S3E28] Dec 15, 2022

2022 is nearly over, and it’s been a wild year for privacy. In this episode, Reema sits down with Keir Lamont, Senior Counsel and U.S. Legislation Lead at the Future of Privacy Forum. Keir recaps what happened in the world of privacy legislation in 2022, and what the tech policy world can expect out of privacy legislation in the New Year.

Keir Lamont, CIPP/US, is a Senior Counsel with the Future of Privacy Forum’s U.S. legislation team. In this role, he supports policymaker education and independent analysis concerning federal, state, and local consumer privacy laws and regulations. Previously, Keir held positions at CCIA and the Program on Data and Governance at Ohio State University. He holds a J.D. from Georgetown University Law Center and a B.A. in Political Science & Economics from the University of Florida. Follow him on Twitter @keir_lamont.

Check out Keir’s latest blog post, “Five Big Questions (and Zero Predictions) for the U.S. State Privacy Landscape in 2023” on the FPF website.

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Thanks for listening!

Implementing the Rules of the Network Road: A Conversation with NANOG Executive Director Edward McNair [S3E27] Dec 08, 2022

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Joe Catapano, ILPF Class 4 Fellow interviews Edward McNair, Executive Director of the North America Network Operators Group (NANOG). We all know the role that lawyers and government officials play in contributing to tech policy, but how do the people that “make it work” (e.g. network operators, software engineers) help develop the rules of the road?

NANOG is just one of many organizations that bring technical expertise to the table, whether it’s feeding into formal policymaking processes at global multi-stakeholder bodies, or raising awareness with lawmakers. Hear how NANOG works to represent the needs and views of the Internet’s technical communities.

Edward McNair is the Executive Director of NANOG. He is also the co-founder of Kaskadian, an agency that provides branding, marketing and sales support for startups and new businesses. Prior to Kaskadian, Edward served as Chief Executive Officer for Verilan, an IT company that delivered just-in-time, enterprise-quality networks. Previously, he was Vice President of Internet Marketing for R2C, a leading direct marketing agency, and was Creative Director for the WiMAX Forum, a global Internet and telecom consortium. You can read Edward’s full bio on the NANOG website.

Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!

If you’d like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.

Privacy, Antitrust, and Algorithmic Bias; Working at the Intersections with Caitlin Chin [S3E26] Dec 01, 2022

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! Today, Reema chats with Caitlin Chin, a Class 4 Fellow at the Foundry and a a fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS), on her work at the intersection of privacy, antitrust, and algorithmic bias.

At CSIS, Caitlin researches technology regulation in the United States and abroad. She previously worked as a research analyst at the Brookings Institution, where her projects centered around U.S. federal and state legislation related to information privacy, antitrust, and algorithmic bias. At Brookings, Chin coauthored “Bridging the gaps: A path forward to federal privacy legislation” (with Cameron Kerry, John Morris Jr., and Nicol Turner Lee), which put forward a comprehensive framework for national commercial privacy standards in the United States.

In addition, she has published over two dozen other reports or commentaries on public policy issues including “Addressing Big Tech’s power over speech” (with Bill Baer) and “Why Democrats and Republicans would benefit from hate crime protections for Asian Americans.”

She’s also spoken on C-SPAN, WOSU/NPR, and France 24, and her work has been cited by the Washington Post, the Wall Street Journal, and the Future of Privacy Forum, among other organizations. She has a BA in government and Spanish from the University of Maryland and an MPP from Georgetown University’s McCourt School of Public Policy.

Her master’s thesis, “Examining national privacy laws in the context of international trade,” won a student paper award at the 48th Research Conference on Communications, Information, and Internet Policy (TPRC48) in 2020. She was also a recipient of Public Knowledge’s 20/20 Visionaries award in 2021.

Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!

If you’d like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.

A Word with Our 2022 Policy Hackathon Winners [S3E25] Nov 17, 2022

In this episode, Foundry Fellow Meri Baghdasaryan sat down with the representatives of three winning teams at the Foundry’s 2022 Policy Hackathon. This year the Hackathon’s theme was “Trust, Safety and Privacy in the Metaverse.” The participants were tasked with pitching a proposal to address some of privacy, trust, and safety challenges in immersive technology.

Meri chats with Mana, Raktima and Tom, who respectively represent teams at the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place among the 2022 Policy Hackathon winners. They share their impressions about the Hackathon experience, present their policy proposals and provide advice for participants of next Hackathon editions.

Check out the presentations of the winning teams below:

Mana’s team (Video Presentation)
Raktima’s team (Video Presentation)
Tom’s team (Video Presentation)

Stay tuned for more info on how you can enter the 2023 Policy Hackathon from the ILP Foundry.

Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!

If you’d like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

Foundry Job Board: ilpfoundry.us/jobs

If you’d like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.

Cybersecurity Risk Mitigation and Prevention: A Very Merry CYBER CON Recap [S3E24] Nov 10, 2022

Missed our exciting CYBER CON event with the WiCyS Privacy, Law, and Policy Affiliate? The Tech Policy Grind has you covered.

Foundry Fellows Reema Moussa, Allyson McReynolds, Grant Versfeld & Lama Mohammed discuss highlights from the Foundry’s first ever virtual cybersecurity convention, starring Amie D’Souza, Josephine Wolff, Kassi Burns, Eva Galperin and Siena Anstis. They chat about the event’s key theme; cybersecurity risk mitigation in law and policy, as well as particular practices around cyber insurance, cyber hygiene for lawyers, and spyware. The Fellows talk through why cyber policy matters and key takeaways from the event.

This episode includes snapshots from the event, but you can watch the entire CYBER CON event! Check out the full recording of the CYBER CON Summit here.

Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!

If you’d like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show (and CYBER CON in the future), consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.

Resources Mentioned:

Scraping Suit Hinges On When LinkedIn Discovered Violations [Law360]

Thanks for listening, and see you next time!

Pathfinding in Privacy Law: a Data Protection Officer’s Story with Lena Ghamrawi [S3E23] Nov 03, 2022

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind! This week, Reema chats with former Foundry Fellow Lena Ghamrawi on her pathway to becoming a privacy attorney. In this episode, she shares her experience growing up in the post-9/11 surveillance environment and how her passion for civil rights (and mentorship along the way) cultivated an interest in privacy law.

A little more about Lena: she’s a privacy lawyer dedicated to ensuring consumer personal data is used responsibly. Lena currently serves as Privacy Counsel and Data Protection Officer for Quora Inc., where she advises on global privacy laws. She has helped Silicon Valley tech companies, federal agencies, and Fortune 500 companies develop privacy programs.

In 2020 she helped launch a watchdog dedicated to investigating mobile app privacy practices. There, she worked with regulatory agencies, big tech platforms, and members of Congress to remedy malpractice. Lena founded the Washington DC Women in Security and Privacy (WISP) affiliate and is always looking for ways to provide mentorship.

Coming soon from the Foundry: keep an eye out for the next round of applications to become a Foundry Fellow!

If you’d like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show, consider donating to the Foundry; you can do so here.

Perils of Prescriptive Policy: a Technologist’s View with Jeremy Avnet [S3E22] Oct 27, 2022

Welcome back to the Tech Policy Grind Podcast by the Internet Law and Policy Foundry. In this episode, Reema and Lama talk over some big lawsuits of the week before Class 4 Fellow Rebecca Kilberg dives deep with technologist Jeremy Avnet, former Director of Infrastructure Engineering at TrussWorks. They chat about the role of engineers and tech-minded folks in developing tech policy and the pitfalls of prescriptive policy.

How should tech policy guide engineers developing software? What is useful to specify and what yields unintended consequences? Our experts discuss the difficulties of encountering prescriptive policy that mandates a rigid solution in a changing landscape. They explore the difficulties of developing software that adheres to federal guidelines even when all parties are aligned. Finally, they examine the specific example of DNS security over the last 15 years as a case study.

Also, coming up: the Foundry and Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) Privacy, Policy & Law Affiliate are pleased to present CYBER CON, a virtual cybersecurity convention. Join us in celebration of Cybersecurity Awareness Month! CYBER CON will take on Friday, October 28 starting at 11AM ET / 8AM PT and run until 2:30PM ET / 11:30AM PT. Register here!

If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

Further, if you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.

Thanks for listening!

Beyond Bitcoin: What is Web3, Anyways? [S3E21] Oct 20, 2022

In this episode, Foundry Fellow, Dyllan Brown-Bramble sits down with Gabrielle Hibbert and Hillary Brill. They discuss the work of the Decentralized Future Council, the future of Web3 law and policy, and why early-career professionals should get up to speed on it.

Gabrielle Hibbert is the security and privacy fellow for the Decentralized Future Council. Gabrielle started her career in public policy after working across both Capitol Hill and various non-profit and consultant agencies across the DMV. In 2018, she began researching blockchain and programming smart contracts after learning about decentralized ledger technologies (DLT).

In 2020, she co-lead the College of William & Mary’s Blockchain Lab, under the direction of the primary investigator and co-founder, Troy Wiipongwii. She is currently the Government and Policy Officer at Least Authority, a security consulting firm based in Berlin, Germany. She earned her M.A. in management and policy at Brandeis University. Her B.A. is in international relations from the College of William & Mary.

For more than 25 years, HTB Strategies Founder Hillary Brill has been innovating and teaching in all aspects of policy. Further, as communications and technology counsel with Covington & Burlington, Brill drafted one of the first primers on Internet Policy. Pursuing her desire to be closer to policymaking, Brill left legal practice to work with technology leader Congressman Rick Boucher.

For the past seven years, she’s shared her unique perspective and policymaking experience with the next generation of technology leaders. She’s also a Professor at Georgetown law, her alma mater, where she developed a curriculum about practicing policy at the intersection of technology and legislation. Brill is also a Practitioner-in-Residence at American University Washington College of Law focusing on technology and intellectual property issues.

Also coming up: The Foundry and Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) Privacy, Policy & Law Affiliate are pleased to present CYBER CON. Join us for this virtual cyber convention in celebration of Cybersecurity Awareness Month! CYBER CON will be on Friday, October 28 starting at 11AM ET and run until 2:30PM ET. Register here!

If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.

Thanks for listening, and see you next time!

Building a Career in Cybersecurity Public Service with Patrick Kyhos [S3E20] Oct 13, 2022

Another day, another Fellow Highlight! This time we step back to chat with former Class 2 President and Foundry Fellow Patrick Kyhos, Deputy Chief of Cyber Policy at the FBI. Reema and Patrick chat about his career in cybersecurity public service, his lifelong commitment to Washington DC, and the evolution of the Foundry.

Patrick is an attorney for the Federal Government, specialized in cybersecurity, privacy, and emerging technology. His team devises solutions for investigation and operational technology issues including data protection, supply chain risk mitigation, international cyber incident response, artificial intelligence implementation, and digital asset payment protections.

Prior to joining the FBI, Patrick began his service in civil litigation on cases pertaining to national security and technology. He graduated from the University of Maryland School of Law in 2014. He is currently pursuing an LL.M. in Technology Law at Georgetown University.

They also chat about the Foundry’s Policy Hackathon. This year’s theme is “Into the Metaverse,” and the Hackathon will run from October 14th – 16th.

While applications to participate in this year’s Hackathon are closed, the Foundry is accepting entries for a writing competition on the Metaverse from students and recent graduates until October 13th. You can find more information about the writing competition on our website, ilpfoundry.us.

Also coming up: The Foundry and Women in Cybersecurity (WiCyS) Privacy, Policy & Law Affiliate are pleased to present CYBER CON. Join us for this virtual cybersecurity convention in celebration of Cybersecurity Awareness Month! CYBER CON will take on Friday, October 28 starting at 11AM ET and run until 2:30PM ET. Register here!

If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.

Resources mentioned:

DC Fintech Week

Trust and Safety in the Metaverse [S3E19] Oct 06, 2022

Foundry Fellows Lama Mohammed and Anuradha Herur discussed implementing trust and safety standards in the Metaverse with Jodi Masters-Gonzales, the Founder and Chief Futurist of Humble Science, a ForHumanity Fellow and a ForHumanity Certified Auditor; Nina Jane Patel, the Co-Founder and Vice President of Metaverse Research at Kabuni; and Kristina Podnar, the Global Digital Policy Advisor at the XR Safety Initiative (XRSI).

Tune in to hear their discussion about how policymakers, technologists and advocates can create safe virtual environments.

Resources discussed:

XRSI’s Metaverse Safety Week
Kabuni — a safe Metaverse for kids
ForHumanity — reducing the risk of AI and emerging technologies

We recorded this podcast live as the last webinar in our series leading up to the Foundry’s Policy Hackathon. This year’s theme is “Into the Metaverse,” and the Hackathon will run from October 14th – 16th.

While applications to participate in this year’s Hackathon are closed, the Foundry is accepting entries for a writing competition on the Metaverse from students and recent graduates until October 16th. You can find more information about the writing competition on our website.

If you would like to sponsor an episode or propose a guest for the show, get in touch with us: foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us

If you’d like to support the show, please donate to the Foundry.

You can also watch a video version of the discussion.

Different Perspectives on the Metaverse [S3E18] Sep 29, 2022

“Different Perspectives on the Metaverse,” hosted by Internet Law & Policy Foundry Class Four Fellow Ashwini Natesan, brings together TerraZero Technologies Inc.’s Ryan Kieffer, Open Voice Network’s Michael Novak, VR Networking’s Roberto DaCosta and Hoth Intelligence’s Sanjit Singh for a conversation on different perspectives on the Metaverse from a variety of stakeholders.

The Metaverse is a hot-button discussion across disciplines. As these technologies enter the mainstream, the possibilities for use seem endless. Listen in to learn more about the Metaverse from the perspectives of people who interact with it in a variety of ways!

This event is the fourth live webinar in a series of events related to the Metaverse leading up to our third annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will be held this October 14-16th. Also, ILPF is hosting a writing competition for students and new graduates with prizes up to $1,500. For more information about the Hackathon and writing competition check out our website here. You can watch the full recording of this discussion here.

To learn more about the Foundry, check out ilpfoundry.us and follow us on social media (LinkedIn and Twitter @ILPFoundry).

If you’d like to support the show, donate to the Foundry here or reach out to us at foundrypodcasts@ilpfoundry.us.

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Privacy in the Metaverse with Libby Weingarten, Katitza Rodriguez, and Sasha Danielyan [S3E17] Sep 15, 2022

Foundry Fellows Meri Baghdasaryan and Reema Moussa chat privacy in the Metaverse with Sasha Danielyan, Associate Product Counsel, Niantic, Katitza Rodriguez, Policy Director for Global Privacy, Electronic Frontier Foundation, and Libby J. Weingarten, Privacy and Cybersecurity Partner, Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati. Tune in to hear their discussion about the risks, challenges, and opportunities of a privacy-protective future in the metaverse.

Resources discussed:

Katitza Rodriguez, Kurt Opsahl, Rory Mir, and Daniel Leufer, Virtual Worlds, Real People: Human Rights in the Metaverse, Electronic Frontier Foundation Deeplinks Blog (Dec. 9, 2021).

This podcast was recorded as a live webinar, the second in a series of events in anticipation of ILPF’s 3rd annual Policy Hackathon. The Hackathon will take place virtually from October 14-16th with the theme “Into the Metaverse.” Applications to participate in this year’s hackathon are open and will be until September 23rd. In addition, the Foundry is holding a student/recent graduation writing competition which is accepting entries until September 16th. You can find more information about the hackathon and writing competition on our website at www.ilpfoundry.us.

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Watch the video version of the discussion here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QzzWg8b9X8.

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