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Talk Heathen 04.08 2020-02-23 with Eric Murphy & Darrel Ray Feb 23, 2020

Show notes

SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:20:38 Maddie - Germany - Religious trauma and how it affects everyone
00:28:11 Jerry - MO - Believes Atheists don’t know the real story of the Bible
00:57:20 Conner - TX - How can therapists not turn their sessions into deconversions
01:06:45 Michael - NY - It’s in our nature to believe in something
01:23:56 Bri - CA - Working through her religious trauma and how it’s affected her socially
01:37:55 Jeff - Canada - Might be dealing with religious trauma from when he was a JW
SHOW NOTES
Hey folks, it’s time for some Talk Heathen! Today’s host, Eric Murphy is joined by Dr. Darrel Ray. We begin the show talking about Dr. Ray’s amazing credentials and his upcoming conference in Vancouver, BC: http://www.cort2020.com It’s going to be an awesome show! Let’s get this party started!
The first caller is Maddie from Germany. She would like to talk about past religious trauma, how it severely affected her siblings, and how it affects everyone around them.
Next up, Jerry from Missouri would like to talk about how atheists don’t know the real story of the Bible. Called in to confront us about being wrong about faith. Ooooh, boy. Lots of goalposts are moved in this one. It’s frustrating and interesting to listen to this all at the same time!
The following caller named Conner from Texas is concerned about how therapists can conduct their sessions and not deconvert religious folks. People should NOT go into therapy thinking they will be deconverted.
The next caller in the queue is Michael from New York wanting to discuss how we have always had a belief in something greater than ourselves. He is on his way to questioning and growing out of his God belief. Congrats Michael! We are here for you if you need to bounce ideas off of us.
Bri in California is calling us back with an update! She is going through the deconversion process and called in to discuss her own religious trauma. She is also struggling with how her deconversion has affected her social life. Congrats Bri! We are here for you if you need us!
Afterwards we have Jeff from Canada. He wonders about how his time as a Jehovah’s Witness could be religious trauma. Feels a bit at a loss about how it is all connected. Is also autistic and also is concerned if he is viewing the past within the appropriate internal filters. Definitely contact https://www.recoveringfromreligion.org and https://www.seculartherapy.org/, they are ready to help!
And that’s the show for today! See you all next week!
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Talk Heathen 04.07 2020-02-16 with Vi La Bianca & Jen Aldrich Feb 16, 2020

Show notes

SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:04:26 Ronique - TN - Recently deconverted, is in a weird spot with spiritual/new age folks
00:21:14 Hayden - DE - Would like to talk about their beliefs
00:33:43 Jeron - TX - Is a believer, and is challenged with understanding the concept of God.
00:45:40 Mika - Sweden - What is the definition of God from an atheist’s perspective.
01:10:12 Sebastian - Chile - How prayer can help everyone, even non-believers.
01:18:58 Erin - Eastern US - Their partner is getting into woo. Uh oh.
SHOW NOTES
In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Vi La Bianca is joined by fellow Godless Bitches 3.0 host Jen Aldrich. Welcome back Jen.
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Ronique from Tennessee. She is struggling and is challenged by the “new age” folks in her life. Listen in to hear Jen and Vi talk about how to create boundaries and also how to navigate this within her community.
Next up, Hayden from Delaware would like to talk about theistic belief and how it relates to atheism. Would like to also talk about how atheists tend to be condescending towards theists. Vi talks about understanding the process of deconverting and that the angry atheist can be part of that process. Like within any group, there’s almost always some bad apples.
The following caller named Jeron from Texas claims to be a believer, but doesn’t think God exists. Is he a theist? Is he a Mormon? Does he truly believe in a deity? Tune in to hear Vi try to walk and talk through this.
The next caller in the queue is Mika from Sweden wanting to discuss the definition of God from an atheist’s perspective. He provides a ton of fallacies and gish gallops a ton. Listen to all of it. It’s fascinating! The goalpost looks good here, oh wait I need to move them over there...
Next up, Sebastian in Chile claims that prayer can help everyone, even non-believers. After a long story about traveling to Peru, and taking DMT in the Amazon jungle, he continues to claim how prayer helped remove “dark energy and heaviness.” Hmmmm.
Our last caller of the day, Erin in the Eastern US would like to discuss how their partner is getting into woo and is concerned about them turning away from looking at the world skeptically and rationally. Vi and Jen help them looking at this and figuring out a way that strengthens their relationship.
And that’s the end of the show! See you all next week for continued Adventures with Heathens…
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Talk Heathen 04.06 2020-02-09 with Eric Murphy & Kevin Stein Feb 09, 2020

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TALK HEATHEN 04.06 for 2020-02-09 with Eric Murphy & Kevin Stein
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:06:08 Hermer - NY - He’s BAAAAACK! Still on the salt thing.
00:10:36 Arthur - TX - Would like to discuss belief due to personal experiences.
00:33:07 Kyran - FL - Why is it moral that Lucifer was cast out of heaven?
00:42:00 Tyler - MI - God must exist because abiogenesis was debunked.
01:01:49 Hayden - DE - Former “Atheist”, was introduced to theism. Recoverted!
01:22:09 Ethan - IL - Will be participating in a debate, would like to figure out goals.
01:29:55 Tam - Vietnam - Has the definite source of morality: It’s…
01:40:23 Daniel - CA - Which is more honest, The Book of Eric or the Bible?
SHOW NOTES
Greetings heathens! Today’s Talk Heathen is going to be awesome! Eric Murphy is joined by Kevin Stein in taking calls.
Let’s get to calls. Hermer calls us (again!) from a cavern deep inside the Earth, he hasn’t fixed his phone or it could be a voice changer, hmmm. He proceeds to justify Lot’s wife turning into salt because sweat tastes like salt (again, sigh.) Eric asks if he has ever seen anyone turn to salt or watched someone fly. He resorts to talking like a “demon”. Oh, you’re a poe. BYE!
Arthur from Fort Worth, Texas calls in to talk about some personal experiences he thinks were supernatural. Kevin gets straight to the point: How do you confirm and verify these experiences?
The following caller named Kyran from Florida would like to talk about JW and a hypothetical about their beliefs in the devil. Was it moral that Lucifer was cast out of heaven by God? Interesting hypothetical question, not sure why he’s asking atheists, but it’s an interesting story.
Oh, you’ll love this… The next caller in the queue is Tyler B. Tyler from Mississippi who was riling up the live-chat during the show. We kept a line open for him specifically. He is wanting to discuss abiogenesis and how there is no evidence for it and there is only a living god that created everything. Pot, Kettle, God of the Gaps and Special Pleading fallacies, what?
Next up, Hayden in Delaware was a former “Atheist” turned Theist. Claims as an atheist he was (like all atheists) close-minded so he became a theist again. Hmmm, interesting.
Coming in like a wrecking-ball, we have Ethan up next. He’s in Illinois. Sorry, there’s no correlation there. Chicago is cold this time of year. Anyway, Ethan is wondering how to approach his next debate about making goals within a debate. Good Luck Ethan! Hope your debate on tuesday goes well!
Tam in Vietnam has the definite source of morality. It’s.... the behavior of a species that encourages reproduction and the balance of those being born and those dying. I am not sure how human survival is moral, have you seen what we are doing to our home planet?
Our last caller of the day, Daniel in California wants to talk about which book is more honest, the Book of Eric or the Bible. (We all agree, the Book of Eric is more honest.) Being pushed to a point, he asks about the “God Particle.” Google is a wonderful place, Daniel. I think you’ll find a wealth of information there.
And that’s it folks, see you all next week!
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Talk Heathen 04.05 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca Feb 07, 2020

Show notes

SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:04:11 Jonathan - MA - Claims scholars agree on the events of the bible.
00:41:00 David - Ottowa - How does one deal with presuppositionalists?
00:44:05 Oriax - PA - Polytheist, thinks his beliefs are true because of personal experience
01:00:35 Tracy - NC - Has had shared experiences and struggling with not pinning it on the supernatural
01:09:23 John - MI - The separation of church and state was not adhered to when the Ark Encounter was built.
01:21:42 Dean - NC - Often hears about the anonymity of the Gospels, does that mean it’s not historical?
01:32:43 Jeff - PA - Would like to talk about Abiogenesis
SHOW NOTES
Greetings Heathens, it’s Palindrome day! The only day in the current century that’s a palindrome in both date formats (Day-Month-Year or Month-Day-Year.) In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Eric Murphy is joined by Vi La Bianca. By the way, Eric and Vi are not palindromes.
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Jonathan from Massachusetts. He posits that Jesus existed and scholars agree the events of the Bible actually historically occurred. Oooooh, this is a fun one, tune in to hear Vi and Eric unpack this suitcase.
Next up, David from Ottowa would like to learn how to deal with presuppositionalists. He is being faced with some online and isn’t sure how to approach them. You can talk to people and be respectful. We were put on hold, that’s a first!
The following caller named Oriax from Pennsylvania is a polytheist and believes due to personal experiences. Listen in to hear Eric and Vi try to get to the truth and help them through it..
The next caller in the queue is Tracy from North Carolina wanting to discuss how she and others experienced unexplainable events and is struggling with not pinning it onto the supernatural. Listen in to hear Eric and Vi help her
Next up, John in Michigan called in to talk about the fleecing of the US through the misuse of funding and uses the Ark Encounter as an example. He’s a theist and agrees with us. You’re good John! We like you! Call back anytime!
Afterwards we have Dean from North Carolina. He wonders about the anonymity of the Gospels and whether they are considered anonymous historical documents when other anonymous writers are given more credit to their writing. Listen in to hear Vi expand on this beautifully.
Our last caller of the day, Jeff in Pennsylvania would like to discuss abiogenesis and how it hasn’t been scientifically proven. Listen in to hear Eric and Vi talk about their understanding of abiogenesis and debunk some of the caller’s interesting ideas.
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Talk Heathen 04.04 2020-01-26 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca Jan 27, 2020

Show notes

SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:06:15 Alex - Hungary - What epistemological tools should I use to change belief?
00:19:29 Anthony - TX - Runs a freethought group, wants to include Satanists in their outreach.
00:27:09 Patrick - Liverpool - Has an easy way to debunk the argument against abiogenesis.
00:34:05 Matt - ND - Looking for advice about leaving the cult he is in.
00:45:36 Noah - AZ - Former Mormon, members are trying to bring him back socially
00:51:40 James - HI - How do the hosts on our shows stay so patient?
00:57:59 Billy - LA - Looking for a good solid definition of hard solipsism
01:02:45 David - AR - How do you know when you’ve fully transitioned from theism
01:12:15 King Kong - Namibia - Atheists are the only real gods
01:22:28 Mark - London - Recently lost his mother, is finding difficulty in comforting his daughter
01:39:58 Almog - Israel - Living as an atheist in a theocratic country
SHOW NOTES
Uh oh, it’s 404! Episode not found. Just kidding, in today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Eric Murphy is joined by co-host Vi La Bianca!
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Alex from Hungary. He is wondering how to change other’s beliefs, does it really work? Listen in to hear Vi and Eric work through this.
Next up, Anthony from Texas would like to talk about including Satanists (and specifically The Satanic Temple) in their outreach and is wondering if that is a good way to encourage inclusion. Listen in to hear some amazing wisdom from Vi.
The following caller named Patrick from Liverpool has an easy way to debunk the argument how nothing can’t come from nothing. He explains that nothing doesn’t exist and there was always something there. Tune in to hear more!
The next caller in the queue is Matt from North Dakota wanting to discuss how he can leave the cult he is in. He was a Jehovah’s Witness and has recently become atheist. Isn’t sure what to do. We feel for you Matt, please reach out to Lloyd Evans and Telltale along with Recovering from Religion. http://www.RecoveringFromReligion.org
Next up, Noah in Arizona has recently left the Mormon church and is seeing how current members are trying to bring him back socially. Is seeking advice on breaking away from them and setting boundaries. Listen to Eric unpack this, it’s gold!
Afterwards we have James from Hawaii. He wonders about how we are so patient with those who are so angry and vitriolic about faith. Listen in to hear Eric show compassion and patience and briefly talk about the awesome movie Coco.
Billy in LA is next and is seeking to understand the definition of hard solipsism. Vi uses their vast knowledge to expand on this topic: basically you are a brain in a vat.
David in Arkansas is wondering if you know when you fully have transitioned from theist to atheist. Welcome to being free David, we are glad you are a part of our community.
Wow, King Kong is calling from Namibia is calling in about how atheists are above nature and therefore gods. Claiming “True knowledge can only come from the lord.” Listen in to Eric explain the definition of knowledge and gaining knowledge. Circular arguments and appeals to authority incoming!
Mark in London is trying to figure out how to comfort his daughter after losing grandparents in a short amount of time. Kids are very resilient and will be a great source of comfort and can handle a lot of things far better than we understand. Just be truthful and kind, they will reciprocate.
Our last caller of the episode, Almog in Israel calls in saying he feels very alone as an atheist in a very theocratic country. Is wondering how to move forward with his atheism. Perhaps it is time to pack up and find a place where you can feel a part of something.
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Talk Heathen 04.03 2020-01-19 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca Jan 20, 2020

Show notes

SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:05:48 Moldred - NY - Why is discordianism important and why should we care?
00:14:51 Zoe - NY - Would like to create an atheist club at his school, how?
00:19:14 Jim - MI - Works at a large company who hosts religious based events
00:26:57 John - GA - Do y’all believe in free will, why or why not?
00:37:56 Eli - OK - Is it worth salvaging friendships that have floundered during deconversion?
00:45:44 JL - TX - What are the best tactics when debating theists
00:56:39 Charlie - WA - Was in a cult run by her mother, has questions about the BITE model.
01:10:25 Timothy - CA - Has some issues with skepticism, how do you work around them?
01:26:07 Isis - IN - Is having trouble deconverting
01:45:35 Tony - TX - Would like to talk about some personal experiences
SHOW NOTES
In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Eric Murphy is joined by Vi La Bianca. Today’s episode is brought to you by ... water. The hosts drink water while on set to stay hydrated, so should you!
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is a returning caller, Moldred from New York. He would like to talk about the book he sent, discordianism, and why both are important. Get your salad dressing ready for some word salad. Tune in to hear Eric spin this salad to try to find the truth.
Next up, Zoe from New York would like to know how to start an atheist club at his school and is wondering how to create one that shows secular students being happy and not angry. There are so many great ideas we’d like to share! Listen in to find out!
The following caller named Jim from Michigan is concerned about his large company hosting religious groups and is wondering if it is worth “raising a stink” about it. Has been told by supervisors to “take a chill pill.” Definitely speak up about it and possibly contact the FFRF for help: https://ffrf.org/
The next caller in the queue is John from Georgia wanting to discuss free will and whether or not it exists. Listen in to hear Eric and Vi explain how they don’t believe in free will and navigate John’s wonderful questions. He’s so close folks!
Next up, Eli in Oklahoma is wondering if it’s worth salvaging friendships who may have floundered as he deconverted. Absolutely! Reach out to them and see where they are and possibly forge new ones.
Afterwards we have JL from Texas. He is exploring tactics to bring to the table when debating theists. Do we have any recommendations for him? Listen in to hear Vi and Eric dig into this topic.
The next caller is super interesting! Charlie from Washington would like to talk about the cult she was a part of and the BITE model. Eric gets excited to talk about this and Vi takes the time to really get to the meat of this topic. It’s a really good call.
Next up, Timothy in California would like to discuss how he is struggling with skepticism and is it really worth fighting for. Eric uses the mistake he made in a previous episode (the Moon) and how he was able to learn and owning mistakes. Owning one’s mistakes is a part of growth.
Afterwards, Isis from Indiana is struggling with deconverting after a long history with and within religion. Tune in to hear Vi and Eric navigate this topic and help her go through this part of the process. Your quote: “You once knew me how I was. I am not that any more.” is so perfect. You are not alone and you have community with us here.
Our last caller of the day, Tony from Texas would like to talk about a personal experience a friend had while on drugs and how to explain how his experience wasn’t truly accurate. Listen in to hear Eric explain how blue tastes… And how personal perceptions can cloud reality.
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Talk Heathen 04.02 2020-01-12 with Vi La Bianca & Thomas Westbrook Jan 12, 2020

Show notes

SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:03:26 Brian - OR - How to discover answers to the ultimate question(s) using hypnosis.
00:18:22 Moldred - NY - There are differences between religion and spirituality
00:37:37 Owen - OR - Is questioning faith, sees the Catholic church as very convincing.
00:59:26 Ameet - NY - Would like to discuss a personal event that occurred during the holidays
01:16:01 Josh - TX - Is there a theist whose views you came to respect?
01:25:40 Brandon - AZ - Has a justification for Hell
01:34:19 Patricia - NY - Needs advice about indoctrination of young children
01:43:14 Nick - Wi - Thinks it’s wrong to not bow your head during prayer over dinner.
SHOW NOTES
In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Vi La Bianca is joined by Thomas Westbrook (aka Holy Koolaid.) Welcome back to the show Thomas, did you bring tacos?!
Let’s get to calls.
The first caller is Brian from Oregon. The answer is 42. Just kidding, Brian brings up a couple scenarios of how to use hypnosis when talking with believers and experiences. Listen in to hear Thomas and Vi talk through this call.
Next up, Moldred from New York would like to talk about how there are differences between religion (which is a top down hierarchy) and spirituality (which is a bottom up). Listen in to hear Vi and Thomas break this down.
The following caller named Owen from Oregon is concerned about how there is a lot of biased evidence provided by the Catholic church and is making him wondering what is true. Vi and Thomas have a great conversation about this.
The next caller in the queue is Ameet from New York wanting to discuss an event that occurred during the holidays with his parents. His parents are concerned with his marriage prospects due to his atheism. Is it wrong to be loud about one’s atheism? NO it’s not wrong! Ameet, it does get better, keep staying true to yourself.
Next up is a returning caller, Josh in Texas would like to know if there were theists whose views we came to respect. Absolutely, as long as there is honesty going both ways, there can be common ground reached.
Afterwards we have Brandon from Arizona. He has justification for Hell. Claims every single sin is punishable by eternal torture and torment in Hell and Jesus died for our sins to save us from Hell. But why though? Yeah, let’s eternally punish people for finite crimes, that sounds fair. /s
We finally are able to talk to Patricia from New York, she is concerned about her brother raising children within a religious faith and is wondering how she can help lessen the chance of indoctrination. Vi provides the best answer and a quote: “The best way to bridge this gap is to have them learn about all the religions.” — Darrel Ray.
Our last caller of the day is Nick in Wisconsin. Discussing how he disagrees with Vi not bowing their head during holiday dinner prayers. He says he would have handled it differently, and sees it as being slightly disrespectful to their family. It truly comes down to a point of respect (like in a place of worship) but in a family home, it’s different and you should be allowed to be yourself.
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Talk Heathen 04.01 2020-01-05 with Eric Murphy & Jen Aldrich Jan 05, 2020

Show notes

TALK HEATHEN 04.01 for 2020-01-05 with Eric Murphy & Jen Aldrich
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
-00:05:31 Josh - TX - Ancient ALIENS existed and the Moon is hollow because reasons!
-00:30:22 Jeffery - MD - Believes in God because he is living it every day.
-01:15:47 Rudy - IN - What are the pros and cons in believing?
-01:38:36 Fred - FL - Wants to talk about prophecies and the authors of the bible.
SHOW NOTES
Happiest of New Years Heathens and Happy 4th Season of Talk Heathen! Wow, we made it to our 4th season! In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Eric Murphy is joined by Jen Aldrich. Jen Aldrich is one of the new hosts of Godless Bitches 3.0, together with Vi La Bianca & Jenna Belk. She's had her own atheist podcast before, called Not Another Atheist Podcast. Google it and enjoy! Welcome to the co-host chair Jen!
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Josh from Texas. He is curious about religions before the Abrahamic. Also believes in the ancient aliens hypothesis. Tune in to see Eric be excited about this call and break it down for him.
Next up, Jeffery from Maryland would like to talk about why he believes the way he believes. Eric talks about how he may be celebrating the hits and ignoring the misses by continuing to believe. This is a long conversation and Jeffery is so close to understanding the truth. Watch to see the “magic” happen.
The following caller named Rudy from Indiana is curious about the pros and cons of believing and uses Pascal’s wager to justify belief. Eric and Jen go over Pascal’s Wager to debunk this, listen in to hear them unpack this suitcase and put away the fallacies.
The last caller in the queue is a returning caller named Fred from Florida. He is wanting to continue to discuss prophecies and the unknown authors of the bible. Fred also tries to debunk the contradictions of the bible… how’s that working out Fred? We should really give him homework...
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Talk Heathen 03.52 2019-12-29 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca Dec 30, 2019

Show notes

CALLERS
Conner - TX - Personal unexplainable experiences can prove God.
Josh - TX - What was your journey in and out of Christianity?
Antonio - Panama - Continuing the previous conversation, definitions and spirituality.
SHOW NOTES
In today’s very special (and extra long!) episode of Talk Heathen, Eric Murphy is joined once again by Vi La Bianca. Vi is amazing as co-host, they have so many golden nuggets of wisdom, I should be better at writing them down...
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Conner from Texas, had personal unexplainable experiences that can possibly prove God. Listen in to hear Eric and Vi unpack these assertions.
Next up, Josh from Texas. Asked both the hosts about their individual journeys into and out of Christianity. Both provide amazing stories and journeys, please listen in to hear them both.
The following caller is a returning caller named Antonio from Panama. Would like to continue the conversation about spirituality and the definitions. Tune in to hear Eric talk him down.
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Talk Heathen 03.51 2019-12-22 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca Dec 22, 2019

Show notes

TALK HEATHEN 03.51 for 2019-12-22 with Eric Murphy & Vi La Bianca
SHOW TIME-STAMPS
00:04:07 Adam - OH - Is it possible to disprove the existence of God and the supernatural?
00:11:28 Hermer - NY - Tasted Lot’s wife, it’s sweaty salt!
00:23:57 Teddy - CA - Would like to talk about the Prime Mover Argument.
00:51:44 Nimclow - Norway - Has a question about absolute certainty, would like to talk about it.
01:00:33 Rob - Toronto - Has a question about the burden of proof.
01:07:28 Kevin - NY - Would like to talk about near death experiences.
01:12:21 Ash - NV - Is in the process of transitioning, is worried about losing a friend or family member due to this.
01:20:13 Cam - WI - In a weird limbo between theist and atheist, has questions.
01:30:10 Andrew - OH - If Jesus was real and came to Earth, what would he say?
SHOW NOTES
Happy Holidays all you Heathens! In today’s episode of Talk Heathen, Eric Murphy is joined by Vi La Bianca. It’s going to be a great show!
Let’s get to calls. The first caller is Adam from Ohio. He ponders if it is possible to disprove the existence of God and the supernatural. We must explore and critically look at each claim, including personal testimony.
Next up, Hermer from New York would like to talk about his beliefs. He isn’t a Christian but has a “relationship” with God. Also believes the reason our sweat tastes like salt is because of Lot’s wife (who turned into a pillar of salt.) Just because sweat tastes like salt, doesn’t prove there is a God. Wow.
The following caller named Teddy from California would like to discuss the prime mover argument. Claims an omnipresent and omnipotent entity is the emergent cause of everything. Tune in to hear Eric discuss this argument and a couple others that come up.
The next caller up is Nimclow from Norway would like to discuss absolute certainty. Eric is able to get to the point very quickly, tune in to hear him explain it clearly and succinctly.
Next up, Rob in Toronto (not that Rob), has a couple questions about the burden of proof. Listen in to hear Vi explain the logic behind who has the burden of proof and why.
Afterwards we have Kevin from New York. Kevin would like to discuss near death experiences and a litany and variety of other shotgun thoughts. Watch how Eric and Vi navigate and bring him back to his original question: NDEs.
The next caller, Ash in Nevada would like to discuss how their transition will affect their relationship with a friend or family member whose parents don’t agree with their lifestyle (as if that’s a choice, sigh.) Love to you Ash, please reach out to https://www.seculartherapy.org/ and get the help you need and deserve.
Cam in Wisconsin is up next, he is in that weird “limbo” between theist and atheist and is struggling with completely letting go of theistic thought. He brings up Pascal’s Wager and using fear is keeping him a theist. Eric and Vi break it all down for him.
Our last caller is Andrew in Ohio. If Jesus arrived on Earth today (and was really real, a real person) what would he say to us? Tune in to hear Eric try to lead Andrew to the truth.
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