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t4t is a podcast about writing while trans. Hosted by Hazel Jane Plante.

Latest Episodes:

episode 14: afterword Nov 28, 2022

Show notes

I mentioned a few of my other projects, including the following:

my next novel, Any Other City, coming out with Arsenal Pulp Press in April 2023
my newsletter, Whatever Happened to Hazel Jane?
my band, Certain Women

The episode transcript can be found here.

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 13: Ryka Aoki Oct 27, 2022

Show notes

I talk to Ryka Aoki about everything from Béla Bartók and Dolly Parton to writing works with the underlying message of "I love you."

Books by Ryka Aoki:

Light From Uncommon Stars
He Mele a Hilo
Why Dust Shall Never Settle Upon This Soul
Seasonal Velocities

Some of the works/people/etc. mentioned in this episode:

Rykaworld (her newsletter)
Béla Bartók
Pass with Care by Cooper Lee Bombardier
Yoko Ono
Dolly Parton

The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 12: Jeanne Thornton Oct 26, 2022

Show notes

I talk with Jeanne Thornton about everything from the history of recorded music to writing as a form of magic.

Some of Jeanne's work:

Some of the works/people/etc. mentioned in this episode:

The Beach Boys and Brian Wilson (ofc)
I Am Brian Wilson: A Memoir by Brian Wilson (with Ben Greenman)
Perfecting Sound Forever: An Aural History of Recorded Music by Greg Milner
Calvin and Hobbes
We Had No Rules by Corinne Manning
Jeanne Thornton's review of We Had No Rules (on AGOTT)
Corinne Manning's review of Summer Fun (at the Brooklyn Rail)
Nevada by Imogen Binnie
Detransition, Baby by Torrey Peters
Little Fish by Casey Plett
Instar Books
Tori Amos Bootleg Webring by Megan Milks
The Far Side of Madness by John Weir Perry
Ulysses by James Joyce
James Joyce by Richard Ellmann
William Gaddis
Songs My Mother Taught Me by Marlon Brando
Bishakh Som
Miscellaneous Kisses by Hazel Jane Plante

The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)

Photo of Jeanne Thornton by Leslie Weems.

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 11: Megan Milks Oct 25, 2022

Show notes

I talk with Megan Milks about everything from what it was like to publish four books in 2021 (!?!) to writing about pop culture, queerness, bodies and shame.

The four books Megan Milks published in 2021:

Margaret and the Mystery of the Missing Body
Slug and Other Stories
Tori Amos Bootleg Webring (Remember the Internet #2)
We Are the Baby-Sitters Club: Essays and Artwork from Grown-Up Readers (co-edited with Marisa Crawford)

Some of the works/writers/etc. mentioned in this episode:

Andrea Lawlor's Paul Takes the Form of a Mortal Girl
Samuel Delany
Tori Amos
Bessel van der Kolk's The Body Keeps the Score: Brain, Mind, and Body in the Healing of Trauma
Vivek Shraya's She of the Mountains
Kai Cheng Thom's Fierce Femmes and Notorious Liars: A Dangerous Trans Girl's Confabulous Memoir
Jeanne Thornton, including Summer Fun
Kathy Acker
Dodie Bellamy
Queen's song "Bohemian Rhapsody"
McKenzie Wark's Reverse Cowgirl
Mildred Pierce zine
Somewhere in Time (film)
Carmen Maria Machado's Her Body and Other Parties and In the Dream House
Julietta Singh's No Archive Will Restore You

The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 10: Kai Cheng Thom Oct 24, 2022

Show notes

I talk with Kai Cheng Thom about everything from writing for children and her perennial influences to how her creative work intersects with her embodiment and loving justice work.

Works by Kai Cheng Thom that are mentioned:

Some of the works/writers mentioned in this episode:

Donald Winnicott
Carl Jung
jaye simpson
Ursula K. Le Guin
Megan Milks 's Margaret and the Mystery of the Missing Body
Alexis Pauline Gumbs's Undrowned: Black Feminist Lessons from Marine Mammals
Eleanor Coerr's Sadako and the Thousand Paper Cranes
John Fox's The Boys on the Rock
Joey Comeau's Lockpick Pornography
Sarah Polley's Run Towards the Danger
Katherine Applegate's Animorphs series
Octavia Butler's Wild Seed

The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 9: Cassia Hardy (Wares) Jan 12, 2022

Show notes

I talk with Cassia Hardy about writing songs and playing with her band Wares.

You can find Wares (and get their music) via Bandcamp.

We mention plenty of musicians during our conversation, including the following:

Cocteau Twins
My Bloody Valentine
Feist
New Pornographers
Broken Social Scene
Vagabon
Mitski
Waxahatchee
Metallica
Arthur Russell
Joan Armatrading
Yoko Ono
Courtney Barnett
Public Enemy's Fear of a Black Planet
Electrelane's The Power Out
Hum's Inlet
Fugazi's The Argument

Photo of Cassia Hardy by Levi Manchak.

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 8: Morgan M Page Dec 02, 2021

Show notes

I talk with Morgan M Page about everything from creative collaborations and her trans history podcast One From the Vaults to writing mtf4ftm noir-influenced fiction and the desire to have writer/filmmaker Virginie Despentes spit in your face.

Links and works related to Morgan M Page that are mentioned or relevant to the conversation:

her website
her Twitter
her Instagram
One from the Vaults, particularly the Valentine's Day episode (OFTV 4) on trans man Michael Dillon and his doomed romance with trans woman Roberta Cowell
Valley of the D (her substack)
Framing Agnes (forthcoming feature film co-written with Chase Joynt, who also directs)
"Rental" (a short story she published in Plenitude in 2015)
“Visions” (a short story she published in Meanwhile, Elsewhere, ed. Casey Plett and Cat Fitzpatrick, Topside Press, 2017)
At Land, a chapbook novella published in 2014.
“The Black Cube,” Procyon Science Fiction Anthology, ed. Jeanne Thornton, Tayen Lane Publishing, 2016.
"Funny Hawaiian Toni Morrison" (her review of Ryka Aoki's novel He Mele A Hilo: A Hilo Song) published in TSQ in 2015
Her review of Small Beauty by Jia Qing Wilson-Yang, published by Lambda Literary in 2016
“One From the Vaults,” in Trap Door: Trans Cultural Production and the Politics of Visibility (edited by Reina Gossett, Eric Stanley, Johanna Burton), MIT Press/The New Museum. October 2017
“Never Be New Again: Resisting the intoxicating trans first,” Valley of the D, 2021
“The forgotten legacy of trans artist and activist Mirha-Soleil Ross,” Dazed Digital, February 2019
“Aiyyana Maracle,” Queer Bible, November 2017
"Numinous and Moving: The Rapture of Nina Arsenault," Valley of the D, 2021

A list of some people and works that are mentioned during our conversation (try to keep up!):

Chase Joynt, including the recent documentary No Ordinary Man, which he co-wrote and co-directed
Max Disgrace
Bryn Kelly
Kyle Lukoff
Mirha-Soleil Ross
Glenn Copeland, including the recent documentary about him, Keyboard Fantasies
Lynn Conway
Candy Darling
Jackie Curtis
Holly Woodlawn
Viviane Namaste, particularly her book Invisible Lives: The Erasure of Transsexual and Transgendered People (2000)
Sylvia Rivera
Marsha P. Johnson
Tourmaline
Nina Arsenault
We Both Laughed in Pleasure: The Selected Diaries of Lou Sullivan (2019), edited by Ellis Martin and Zach Ozma
Lou Sullivan: Daring To Be a Man Among Men (2017) by Brice D Smith
Silas Howard, particularly By Hook or By Crook (2001), the film he co-wrote and co-directed with Harry Dodge
Harry Dodge's book My Meteorite (2020)
Max Wolf Valerio
Zackary Drucker, particularly The Lady and the Dale, the documentary series about Liz Carmichael that she co-directed
Angelica Ross
Stephen Ira
Reed Erickson
Greer Lankton
the TV series Pose
the film Tangerine (2015)
Imogen Binnie's novel Nevada (2013)
Torrey Peters' novel Detransition, Baby (2021)
David Lynch
Maya Deren
Caitlín R. Kiernan
Dennis Cooper
Kathy Acker
Sarah Schulman
Lana Del Rey
the documentary Disclosure (2020)
Ryka Aoki's novels He Mele a Hilo: A Hilo Song (2014) and Light From Uncommon Stars (2021)
Casey Plett's short story collection A Safe Girl To Love (2014)
Topside Press
David Wojnarowicz
Jordy Rosenberg's novel Confessions of the Fox (2018)
jia qing wilson-yang's novel Small Beauty (2016)
Shola von Reinhold's novel LOTE (2020)
Saidiya Hartman's book Wayward Lives, Beautiful Experiments (2020)
Virginie Despentes, including her book King Kong Theory (2006)
Paul B. Preciado's book Testo Junkie (2008)
ORIGINAL PLUMBING: The Best of Ten Years of Trans Male Culture (2019), an anthology edited by Amos Mac and Rocco Kayiatos
Aiyyana Maracle
Xanthra Phillippa Mackay, including the zine Gendertrash from Hell (1993-95), which she co-edited with Mirha-Soleil Ross
Jake Pyne
Rupert Raj
Roz Kaveney
Jackie Shane
Miss Major

Photo of Morgan M Page by Max Herridge.

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 7: Bishakh Som Jul 08, 2021

Show notes

I talk with artist/cartoonist/writer Bishakh Som about everything from goth as gender to how she created two wildly different books that came out around the same time: Apsara Engine and Spellbound. You should follow her on Instagram, where she often posts stunning for-sale work.

The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 6: Torrey Peters May 26, 2021

Show notes

I talk with Torrey Peters about everything from writing about shame and bodies to Hemingway and commas.

Works by Torrey that we discuss:

Some of the works/writers/etc. mentioned in this episode:

Rainer Werner Fassbinder's essay “Six Films by Douglas Sirk" (New Left Review, no. 91, May/June 1975)
Topside Press
Karl Ove Knausgård
T Fleischmann’s Time is the Thing a Body Moves Through
Ali Blythe’s Hymnswitch
Jordy Rosenberg's Confessions of the Fox
James Joyce's story "The Dead" (Here is its final sentence: "His soul swooned slowly as he heard the snow falling faintly through the universe and faintly falling, like the descent of their last end, upon all the living and the dead.")
Ernest Hemingway's six word short story: "For Sale: Baby shoes, never worn."
Ken Burns and Lynn Novick's PBS documentary Hemingway
Jackie Ess's Darryl
Gretchen Felker-Martin's Manhunt
Ryka Aoki's Light From Uncommon Stars
Jorge Luis Borges

The episode transcript will be uploaded in the not-too-distant future. (Sorry!)

Photo of Torrey Peters by Natasha Gornik.

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

episode 5: McKenzie Wark May 12, 2021

Show notes

I talk with McKenzie Wark about a range of topics, including writing, editing (her superpower), glimpsing yourself in works by other writers, and writing about sex.

Books by McKenzie that we discuss:

I'm Very into You: Correspondence 1995–1996 [with Kathy Acker] (2015)
Reverse Cowgirl (2020)
Philosophy for Spiders: On the Low Theory of Kathy Acker (forthcoming, Sept 2021)

Articles written by McKenzie that are mentioned:

Books by other writers that come up (in approximate order of appearance):

Blood and Guts in High School - Kathy Acker
Pussy, King of the Pirates - Kathy Acker
Time is the Thing a Body Moves Through - T Fleischmann
Conundrum - Jan Morris
Our Lady of the Flowers - Jean Genet
Katherine’s Diary - Katherine Cummings
The Freezer Door - Mattilda Bernstein Sycamore
"Descent into the Maelström" [short story] - Edgar Allen Poe
I Love Dick - Chris Kraus
PSYCHO NYMPH EXILE - Porpentine Charity Heartscape
Little Fish - Casey Plett
Nevada - Imogen Binnie
Infect Your Friends and Loved Ones - Torrey Peters
Detransition, Baby - Torrey Peters
I've Got a Time Bomb - Sybil Lamb
Women in Clothes [an anthology edited by Sheila Heti et al. with a piece by Christen Clifford called "Mother, Daughter, Moustache"]
The Argonauts - Maggie Nelson
Bluets - Maggie Nelson
My Meteorite - Harry Dodge
The Subtweet - Vivek Shraya
He Mele A Hilo - Ryka Aoki
Next Year, For Sure - Zoey Leigh Peterson
Paul Takes the Form of Mortal Girl - Andrea Lawlor
Darryl - Jackie Ess

The full episode transcript is available right here.

The podcast theme song is "Tall Girl" by Wares from the album Survival, which you can (and probably should) get via Bandcamp. (This song appears courtesy of Wares and Mint Records.)

Our logo was designed by Rojina Farrokhnejad at HandMadeDesign.

t4t is recorded and edited on the unceded ancestral territories of the xʷməθkʷəy̓əm (Musqueam), Sḵwx̱wú7mesh (Squamish), and sə̓lílwətaʔɬ (Tsleil-Waututh) Nations.

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