Switched on Pop

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The classical rebel who infiltrated pop music Aug 26, 2025

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You've heard those shimmering disco strings in Miley Cyrus's "Flowers," the cinematic arrangements on Phoebe Bridgers' Punisher, and the orchestral flourishes across Taylor Swift's catalog, but you probably didn't know they're all the work of one person: Rob Moose. The violinist and multi-instrumentalist has contributed to nearly 1,000 albums, quietly becoming pop music's most prolific string architect. In this conversation, Moose reveals how he translates classical training into contemporary pop language, working with everyone from Sufjan Stevens to Bon Iver to create arrangements that feel both intimate and epic. We dive into his process, explore how he's reshaped what strings can do in popular music, and uncover the craft behind those arrangements you can't get out of your head.

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Songs Discussed

Miley Cyrus “Flowers”
Phoebe Bridgers “Punisher”
Phoebe Bridgers Copycat Killer (EP, includes re-arranged versions of “Punisher,” “Kyoto,” “Savior Complex,” “Chinese Satellite”)
Sufjan Stevens “Chicago”
Bon Iver “Everything Is Peaceful Love”
RINI “Miracle”
Bon Iver “Short Story”
Bon Iver “Speyside”
Phoebe Bridgers “Chinese Satellite”
Phoebe Bridgers “Savior Complex”
Phoebe Bridgers “Kyoto”
Lizzy McAlpine “Ceilings”
Gracie Abrams “I Love You, I’m Sorry”
Rob Moose “I Bend But Never Break” ft Brittany Howard
Alabama Shakes “Sound & Color”
Taylor Swift “Hoax”

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All roads lead to Pharrell: Tyler, Clipse, and Cardi Aug 19, 2025

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The conversation around the new music this summer has been a dour one. Some of the biggest songs in the country right now are downtempo stomp-clap anthems and wistful Cranberries pastiche. Even on this very show, Nate and Charlie have asked: where's the fun?

As it turns out, the party (as always) is happening in hip-hop, led by a formidable influence: Pharrell.. On this episode of Switched On Pop, producer Reanna and engineer Brandon join Charlie for a tour through rap music's latest sweaty offerings, including the new album by Tyler, the Creator, Clipse's return to music, and catchphrase worthy singles by Cardi B, PLUTO, and Drake.

Songs discussed:

Tyler, The Creator, Pharrell Williams – Big Poe
Nelly – Hot in Herre
Noreaga – Superthug
Kelis – Milkshake
Tyler, The Creator, Cole Alexander – Deathcamp
N.E.R.D. – Rockstar
Tyler, The Creator – Ring Ring Ring
Tyler, The Creator, Frank Ocean, Steve Lacy – 911 / Mr. Lonely
Tyler, The Creator – I THINK
Mr. Fingers – Mystery of Love
Michael Jackson – Off the Wall
N.E.R.D., Nelly Furtado – Hot-n-Fun
N.E.R.D. – Things Are Getting Better
Pharrell, Nelly – Baby
Clipse – So Be It
Clipse – Virginia
Clipse – Intro
Talal Madah – Maza Akoulou
Beastie Boys – Paul Revere
Clipse – Ace Trumpets
Clipse, John Legend, Voices of Fire – The Birds Don't Sing
Cardi B – Outside
Cardi B – Bodak Yellow
Cardi B, Bad Bunny, J Balvin – I Like It
Cardi B, Megan Thee Stallion – WAP
Cardi B – Up
PLUTO, YK Niece – WHIM WHAMIEE
OJ Da Juiceman, Gucci Mane – Make tha Trap Say Aye
Roxanne Shante – Roxanne's Revenge
Drake, Central Cee – Which One?
Drake, Rihanna – Too Good
Rihanna, Drake – Work

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A brief history of terrible lyrics (with Sam Sanders) Aug 12, 2025

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Why do bad lyrics happen to good people? From "suckin' on a chili dog" to "making love to his tonic and gin," even the biggest hits from our favorite artists can feature lyrical turns that make us feel quizzical, offended, or even downright nauseated. With the help of Sam Sanders, brilliant host of The Sam Sanders Show, we plumb the depths of the worst pop lyrics of all time—culled from hundreds of submissions form Switched on Pop listeners—to try categorize, historicize, and, perhaps, celebrate the art of the lyrical faux pas.

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Songs Discussed

Benson Boone - Mystical Magical

Velvet Sundown - Rebel Shout

Live - Lightning Crashes

Captain and Tennille - Muskrat Love

John Mellencamp - Jack and Diane

Fergie - Big Girls Don't Cry, London Bridge

Katy Perry - Firework

Billy Joel - Piano Man

Richard Harris - MacArthur Park

Imagine Dragons - Sharks

Des'ree - Life, You Gotta Be

One Direction - Don't Forget Where You Belong, Little Things

Taylor Swift - Willow, Anti Hero, I Hate it Here, ME!

Train - Hey Soul Sister, Meet Virginia, Drops of Jupiter

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Summer Bummer (with Commotion’s Elamin Abdelmahmoud) Aug 05, 2025

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Every music critic seems to agree: 2025 has no true song of summer. Last August, Teddy Swims’s “Lose Control” dominated the charts. This year…Teddy Swims’s “Lose Control” dominates the charts. What’s going on? Why is there no new summer song to unite us in collective listening, and will there ever be again?

Elamin Abdelmahmoud, host of the CBC’s daily culture podcast Commotion, joins Nate and Charlie to discuss the dearth of seasonal bops, and suggest some possible contenders for sleeper summer hits, from the soundtrack of the anime film KPop Demon Hunters to the latest from the Haim sisters. Despite the moribund status of the Hot 100, there is no shortage of great music to be found in the dog days of summer if you’re willing to listen closely.

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Check out more music commentary from Elamin and Commotion, like their dive into Bruce Springsteen’s unreleased albums, or their dissection of Bieber’s latest with our very own Reanna Cruz.

Songs Discussed

HUNTR/X, EJAE, AUDREY NUNA - Golden
Tyler Childers - Eatin’ Big Time
Haim - Relationships
Ravyn Lenae - Love Me Not
Amber Mark - Sweet Seratonin
Sly and the Family Stone - Thank You (Falettin Me Be Mice Elf)

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Justin Bieber's Lo-fi Bedroom Swag Jul 29, 2025

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Justin Bieber is back with his seventh studio album: the aptly-titled SWAG. The lo-fi, reverb-laden record is a remarkably candid look inside the world of Bieber, using the palette of both underground pop and 90's R&B to accentuate lyrics about his wife, his struggles, and his "standing on business."

Notably, it's his first album post-split with manager Scooter Braun, and the first where Bieber has been in full artistic control. On this episode of Switched On Pop, we tap into the SWAG mindset and attempt to understand Bieber's newfound vision, what it's saying, and ultimately, if it even still matters.

Songs discussed:

Justin Bieber – DAISIES
Justin Bieber, Daniel Caesar, Giveon – Peaches
Justin Bieber, Sexyy Red – SWEET SPOT
The Kid LAROI, Justin Bieber – STAY
Justin Bieber, Druski – STANDING ON BUSINESS
Justin Bieber – ALL I CAN TAKE
Peter Gabriel – In Your Eyes
Justin Bieber – GO BABY
Justin Bieber – TOO LONG
Justin Bieber, Gunna – WAY IT IS
Justin Bieber, Dominic Fike – Die For You
Justin Bieber, Burna Boy – Loved By You
Justin Bieber, Lil B – DADZ LOVE
Mk.gee – Alesis
Mk.gee – Are You Looking Up
Dijon – The Dress
Justin Bieber – WALKING AWAY
Haim – Don't Wanna
Justin Bieber, Dijon – DEVOTION
Justin Bieber – One Less Lonely Girl

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How podcasting got its sound ft. Breakmaster Cylinder Jul 22, 2025

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What if the entire sound of modern podcasting can be traced back to a single Grateful Dead song uploaded in 2001? We uncover the musical lineage that connects NPR's classical gravitas to dubstep wobbles, from the very first RSS feed experiment to the mysterious masked composer who's scored over 200 podcast themes and shaped what millions of people hear when they hit play. This deep dive reveals how podcast music evolved from classical public radio strings into today's signature blend of plinking pianos, breakbeats, and irreverent sampling—plus an exclusive interview with the enigmatic Breakmaster Cylinder, the "Hans Zimmer of podcasting" who's been hiding behind a robot helmet for over a decade.

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SONGS DISCUSSED

Grateful Dead "Truckin'"
Adam Curry "Daily Source Code" theme
NPR "All Things Considered" theme
Don Voegeli "All Things Considered" original theme (1971)
Don Voegeli "All Things Considered" jazz funk version (1976)
NPR "All Things Considered" orchestral version (1983/1995)
The Daily theme
WNYC "On the Media" theme by Ben Allison "Disposable Genius"
Christopher Lydon "Radio Open Source" theme by Dafnis Prieto
Disparition "The Ballad of Fiedler and Mundt," (Welcome to Night Vale theme)
Serial theme
Joe Rogan Experience theme
Call Her Daddy theme
Snap Judgment theme
The Breakfast Club theme
WTF with Marc Maron theme by John Montagna "Lock the Gate"
Reply All theme by Breakmaster Cylinder
Breakmaster Cylinder "Outside In" theme
Breakmaster Cylinder "Bird Note" (Claire de Lune with loon calls)

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Is that new song you like AI? Here’s how you can tell Jul 15, 2025

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The robots have arrived, and they're making protest songs about boots on the ground. When an AI band called The Velvet Sundown fooled over a million Spotify listeners with their psychedelic folk anthems, it raised an unsettling question: have the machines gotten so good we can no longer hear the difference? Charlie puts Nate to the test with a game of "AI or Human?" featuring Wu-Tang deepfakes, phantom instruments, and songs that sound like Dire Straits and Tom Petty had a baby. Along the way, they uncover the five telltale signs that expose artificial music, from juvenile rhyming patterns to voices that shapeshift between tracks. But here's the terrifying part: just six months ago, AI music was unlistenable chaos. Now it's disturbingly competent. And it's only getting better.

Songs Discussed

The Velvet Sundown - "Dust on the Wind"
Post Malone - "Chemical"
Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young - "Ohio"
The Velvet Sundown - "Freedom Song"
Kansas - "Dust in the Wind"
The Animals - "House of the Rising Sun"
Creedence Clearwater Revival - "Have You Ever Seen the Rain?"
The Velvet Sundown - "Where War Remains"
Pink Floyd - "Wish You Were Here"
The Velvet Sundown - "Ash and Velvet"
Buffalo Springfield - "For What It's Worth"
The Velvet Sundown - "For the Ones We Couldn't Keep"
The Velvet Sundown - "Mirrors in the Smoke"
Pink Floyd - "Breathe"
The Velvet Sundown - "Rebel Shout"
The Velvet Sundown - "Smoke in Silence"
The Velvet Sundown - "Marching Shadows"
The Velvet Sundown - "As the Silence Falls"
The Velvet Sundown - "How Did This Go Wrong?"

Hip Hop Intelligence - "Bar Fight" (AI Wu-Tang)
Hip Hop Intelligence - "Party with Me" (AI Eminem)
Temple of the Acid Fist Records - "Woman Gone Blues" (AI)
"Echoes of Twilight" (AI student example)
The Velvet Underground - "Sweet Jane"
"Whispers of Chaos" (Charlie's AI generation)
Mungo Jerry - "In the Summertime"
Almost Vinyl - "Phil Wildo's Door to Door Dildos" (AI)
Joey Two Legs - "I Shouldn't Have Done That" (hybrid)
Bill Evans AI track (untitled, by Nobody in the Computer)

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The Benson Boone-Doggle Jul 08, 2025

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In which we explore the unlikely rise, and surprising backlash against, one Benson Boone.

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Can Recession Pop predict the market? Jul 01, 2025

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Why does the economy look great on paper but feel terrible in your wallet? There might be a more revealing economic indicator hiding in your Spotify queue. "Recession Pop" first emerged during the Great Recession and exploded into playlists, radio formats, and DJ sets in 2024. From melancholy indie anthems to escapist dance tracks, the songs we gravitate toward during uncertain times might predict where the economy is headed next. Host Jonquilin Hill explores this musical phenomenon on Vox's "Explain it To Me," with Charlie joining in the second half to decode what our streaming habits reveal about financial anxiety and economic forecasting.

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How Americana helped mainstream country find its soul Jun 27, 2025

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As we've been examining over the course of Country Week, country music has found a larger audience, in part by widening its sonic palette. For the final episode of this series, we take a look at a genre on the outskirts of country – Americana music – and how it's being used to connect to the scene's musical roots.

Historically, Americana has embraced an acoustic sound, traditional repertoire, and an appetite for virtuosic technique. In bluegrass artists like Billy Strings and roots musicians like Sierra Ferrell, Nate and Charlie see if there's an antidote to be found for the issues that plague modern, mainstream country music.

Songs discussed:

The Punch Brothers – Rye Whiskey
Sierra Ferrell – In Dreams
Dolly Parton – Jolene
Sierra Ferrell – I Could Drive You Crazy
Sierra Ferrell, Zach Bryan – Holy Roller
Billy Strings – Dust in a Baggie
Billy Strings, Willie Nelson – California Sober
Tyler Childers – In Your Love
Tyler Childers – Phone Calls and Emails
Tyler Childers – Rustin' In The Rain
Don Gibson – Oh, Lonesome Me
Waylon Jennings, Willie Nelson – Mamas, Don't Let Your Babies Grow Up To Be Cowboys
The Chicks – Long Time Gone
The Steeldrivers – Higher Than the Wall
Beyoncé – Texas Hold'em
I'm With Her – Espresso