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The Seattle SuperSonics played in the Pacific and NW divisions of the Western Conference from 1967 until 2008 and were NBA Champions in 1979. The franchise won three Western Conference titles (1978, 1979, 1996) and six divisional titles (1979, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005). After the 2007–08 season ended, the SuperSonics relocated to Oklahoma City, and were renamed the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Lenny Wilkens, Gus Williams, Finals MVP Dennis Johnson, Jack Sikma, Fred Brown... Tom Chambers, Xavier McDaniel, Dale Ellis... Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Sam Perkins, Detlef Schrempf, Nate McMillan... while the franchise will always be fondly remembered for it's incredible on-court memories, the full story of Seattle and the SuperSonics, chockfull of mismanagement, personal woes, greed, deceit and inept ownership, is ultimately one of heartbreak and loss.
Jeremy Engdahl-Johnson joins the pod for a two-part deep-dive detailing 40 years of wins and losses for professional basketball in Seattle.
1998-2008, STRUGGLES, DURANT
Nate McMillan leaving Seattle for Portland (3:00), Clayton Bennett buys the team, Kevin Durant is selected #2 overall in the 2007 NBA Draft (3:50), Sam Presti and the youth rebuild (4:30), Durant wins ROY (5:15).
THE HEIST OF THE SUPERSONICS FROM SEATTLE: BILLIONAIRES, POLITICIANS, OKC
Barry Ackerley sells the SuperSonics to Howard Schultz, Starbucks CEO, in 2001 (8:30), Gary Payton holds out, demands a new contract and is traded to the Bucks (11:00), KeyArena (13:00), the city of Seattle's history with financing sports arenas (14:20), comparing KeyArena and modern sports stadiums (15:00), Howard Schultz, David Stern and Wally Walker ask Seattle for public financing in 2006 (17:00), Schultz passes the buck, blames local politicians and sells the team to Clay Bennett on July 18, 2006 (18:30), Schultz's hypocrisy (20:00), Clay Bennett (21:00), Bennett asks the state for a $500m arena in Renton, WA (22:30), Steve Ballmer makes an offer to buy the Sonics away from Clayton Bennett and fund an arena renovation himself (23:30), Clay Bennett's emails are leaked (24:35), Howard Schultz sues Clay Bennett (26:30), Clay Bennett tries to void his lease with KeyArena, the city of Seattle sues (27:40), the city of Seattle and Clay Bennett reach a cash settlement, allowing the SuperSonics to move to Oklahoma City (28:30), former Seattle Mayor Greg Nickels (28:50), state legislature and Slade Gorton (30:30), Seattle and OKC's "shared history" (32:00), David Stern (34:30), OKC going to the NBA Finals in 2012 (36:00), poet, filmmaker and Spokane-native Sherman Alexie, re: Schultz's ownership (38:15).
IN CONCLUSION, POSSIBILITY OF A NEW TEAM IN SEATTLE
Culpability, "good guys" and "bad guys" in the Sonics heist (39:30), Kevin Durant's return to Seattle for an exhibition game w/ the Golden State Warriors (41:30), prospects of a team returning to Seattle (42:30), sports facilities, arenas and the needs of fans (44:00), hopes for an expansion team (48:30).
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The Seattle SuperSonics played in the Pacific and NW divisions of the Western Conference from 1967 until 2008 and were NBA Champions in 1979. The franchise won three Western Conference titles (1978, 1979, 1996) and six divisional titles (1979, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2005). After the 2007–08 season ended, the SuperSonics relocated to Oklahoma City, and were renamed the Oklahoma City Thunder.
Lenny Wilkens, Gus Williams, Finals MVP Dennis Johnson, Jack Sikma, Fred Brown... Tom Chambers, Xavier McDaniel, Dale Ellis... Shawn Kemp, Gary Payton, Sam Perkins, Detlef Schrempf, Nate McMillan... while the franchise will always be fondly remembered for it's incredible on-court memories, the full story of Seattle and the SuperSonics, chockfull of mismanagement, personal woes, greed, deceit and inept ownership, is ultimately one of heartbreak and loss.
Jeremy Engdahl-Johnson joins the pod for a two-part deep-dive detailing 40 years of wins and losses for professional basketball in Seattle.
PROLOGUE
Seattle Seahawks (3:15), the Kingdome (10:15) and Seattle sports teams pecking order (13:00).
1975-1983, CHAMPIONSHIP YEARS
Gus Williams, Finals MVP Dennis Johnson, Jack Sikma, Fred Brown (17:00), Slick Watts (18:30), NBA players from Seattle (19:15).
1983-1989, POST-TITLE DECLINE
Barry Ackerley (21:00), Tom Chambers (22:15), the NBA's first unrestricted free agent (23:40), Xavier McDaniel (27:10), X-Man vs. Scottie Pippen (28:00) and Dale Ellis (29:20).
1989-1998, THE PAYTON AND KEMP ERA
Drafting Shawn Kemp (30:00), Kemp's failed collegiate eligibility and Proposition 48 (30:40), #17 overall in the 1989 NBA Draft (31:30), the influence of GM Bob Whitsitt aka "Trader Bob" (33:00), Kemp and X-Man (34:10), Michael Cage (36:10), roster volatility (38:00), Trader Bob, gambling on personalities, the Sonics and Jail Blazers (38:45), Kendall Gill (40:10), drafting Gary Payton #2 overall out of Oregon State (41:30), Bo Kimble and Loyola Marymount (42:30), Payton was a 9x All-Star, 1996 DPOY and all-time great trash-talker (43:45), Nate McMillan aka "Mr. Sonic" (46:30), the influence of George Karl (49:00), hard-nosed defense (50:00), media perception and fan opinion of George Karl (50:50), Sam Perkins shooting 3's (51:30), seeing Sam Perkins aka "The Big Smooth" around Seattle (52:45), George Karl and the Sonics get to the Western Conference Finals in 1992-93, lose to the Suns in Game 7 (54:00), arrival of Detlef Schrempf and Kendall Gill in the offseason of 1993 (55:30), hope and optimism heading into the 1993-94 season (56:30), April 5, 1994: Kurt Cobain commits suicide / May 7, 1994: Sonics lose to the Nuggets in Rd 1 (57:20), Sonics lose in an OT heartbreaker to the Nuggets in Game 5 of Rd. 1 in 1993-94 (1:00:50), another Rd 1 loss to the Lakers in 1994-95, Kemp signs a contract extension (1:05:00), making a run to the NBA Finals in 1995-96 (1:07:00), the 1996-97 and 1997-98 seasons (1:08:15).
SHAWN KEMP TRADE / DEMISE
Disgruntled Kemp on a bad contract (1:08:50), rumors circulate and fan confusion about the Sonics signing Jim McIlvaine (1:09:50), Kemp traded to the Cavs (1:11:50), Kemp balloons to 315 lbs (1:12:40), the tragedy of Vin Baker (1:14:00), Kemp traded to Portland, personal demons (1:16:00), Seattle fans and Kemp today (1:17:45).
1998-2008, STRUGGLES, DURANT, MISSED OPPORTUNITIES
Rashard Lewis (1:19:00), Gary Payton traded for Ray Allen (1:21:40), Hurricane Katrina and the Hornets temporarily relocated to OKC (1:22:10).
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Ben Craw joins the pod this week for another On The Line DRAFT! This week we draft our favorite all-time NBA Nicknames—NO SPOILERS—below are the pick timestamps.
ROUND 1
* #1- Team CW—Player 1 (4:00)
#2- Team BC—Player 1 (12:15)
ROUND 2
#3- Team CW—Player 2 (15:35)
#4- Team BC—Player 2 (18:10)
ROUND 3
#5- Team CW—Player 3 (20:10)
#6- Team BC—Player 3 (24:20)
ROUND 4
#7- Team CW—Player 4 (26:00)
#8- Team BC—Player 4 (32:10)
ROUND 5
#9- Team CW—Player 5 (36:30)
#10- Team BC—Player 5 (39:20)
ROUND 6
#11- Team CW—Player 6 (42:50)
#12- Team BC—Player 6 (46:00)
ROUND 7
#13- Team CW—Player 7 (47:50)
#14- Team BC—Player 7 (52:15)
HONORABLE MENTIONS
(54:10)
* = Traded from Team BC to Team CW
- Team CW acquired Team BC’s first round pick (#1 overall) in the NBA Nickname Draft in exchange for the #1 overall pick in the NBA Tree Draft (OTL Ep. 42)
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🚨🚨MAJOR ANNOUNCEMENT🚨🚨 (4:00)
Ben Craw joins the pod this week for another On The Line DRAFT! This week we draft our favorite all-time NBA Trees—NO SPOILERS—below are the pick timestamps.
ROUND 1
* #1- Team BC—Player 1 (13:10)
#2- Team CW—Player 1 (26:30)
ROUND 2
#3- Team CW—Player 2 (34:50)
#4- Team BC—Player 2 (40:45)
ROUND 3
#5- Team CW—Player 3 (45:15)
#6- Team BC—Player 3 (51:30)
ROUND 4
#7- Team CW—Player 4 (57:00)
#8- Team BC—Player 4 (1:03:00)
ROUND 5
#9- Team CW—Player 5 (1:07:00)
#10- Team BC—Player 5 (1:12:30)
HONORABLE MENTIONS
(1:15:35)
* = Traded from Team CW to Team BC
- Team BC acquired Team CW’s first round pick (#1 overall)
- Team CW acquired Team BC’s first round pick (#2 overall), as well as Team BC’s first round pick (#1 overall) in the Nicknames Draft
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Geoffrey James joins the pod this week to talk trouble in paradise with Kevin Durant (3:45), Tristan Thompson (8:50), Derrick Rose’s 50 point game (12:30), the sucky Houston Rockets (14:40), rooting for the Cavs and LeBron while living in Los Angeles (19:20), Kemba Walker’s 60 point effort (22:50), Luka Dončić (29:40), the Washington Wizards earned jersey (34:10), Indiana Pacers city edition jersey (35:55), Dwyane Wade’s farewell game against LeBron’s Lakers (38:45), MVP-contender Kawhi Leonard as the GOAT weirdo (40:30), the suddenly robust Eastern Conference and Giannis Antetokounmpo (43:30), the Chicago Bulls (48:45) and hopes and aspirations for the New Year (53:00)—ENJOY!
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Daniel Rosen joins the pod this week to talk about the Toronto Raptors getting national media coverage (2:00), ranking Toronto’s professional sports teams in terms of fan importance (3:40), comparing the fanbases of the Maple Leafs and Raptors (5:00), Joe Carter (6:00), the excitement of Raptors expansion (7:15), the Vince Carter years (9:50), the 2000 NBA Slam Dunk Contest (10:15), Vinsanity (11:00), Isiah Thomas (12:45), Tracy McGrady & Vince Carter (13:30), the Raptors losing to the Sixers at the buzzer in 2001 (14:00), things falling apart for Vince and the Raptors after the 2002 season (14:30), Vince Carter’s legacy w/ fans in Toronto (18:00), issues with the Vancouver Grizzlies (21:15), Toronto is the one of the great, underrated sports markets in the world (23:00), the Chris Bosh years (26:25), Bryan Colangelo passes the torch to Masai Ujiri (28:00), the highs and lows of the Lowry & DeRozan years (31:00), the Kawhi Leonard trade (35:20), bidding farewell to DeRozan (36:20), the new-look, switchy, position-less Raptors (38:15), the impact of Kawhi Leonard and Danny Green (40:20), the versatility of the Raptors roster and length (42:00), Pascal Siakam (43:45), OG Anunoby (46:25), the greatness of Kawhi Leonard (47:38) and believing in the short and long-term prospects of the Raptors (50:10)—ENJOY!
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Lucas Kavner joins the pod this week to talk the competence of the LA Clippers (2:10), their lethal offense (3:00), Montrezl Harrell (6:00), Patrick Beverley (8:10), deconstructing the Clippers roster: morphing from disgruntled stars into a group of fun underdogs (9:55), CP3 trade (10:45), Blake Griffin trade (11:20), Doc Rivers (12:10), Tobias Harris (16:00), Shai Gilgeous-Alexander (20:05), Markelle Fultz (24:10), Clips hopes for the rest of the season (27:05), Clippers trying to prove it’s possible to win without a marquee star player (28:40), Sacramento Kings (30:55), the emergence of De’Aaron Fox (32:00), Buddy Hield (33:00), Harry Giles (34:00), Nemanja Bjelica (35:25), Willie Cauley-Stein (36:30), Boban Marjanović filming John Wick 3 (36:45), struggles of the Houston Rockets (39:00), the surprisingly interesting Orlando Magic (42:00), goofy Magic jerseys (42:45), cartoon-themed jerseys (43:15), Nikola Vucevic deserving All-Star consideration (44:45), rebuilding the Magic (46:30), Steve Clifford (48:20), the shockingly good, fun, interesting Memphis Grizzlies (50:00), Mike Conley (50:45), Marc Gasol is an elite big man (52:00), Jaren Jackson Jr. (54:00) and predictions for the Clippers this week (55:25)—ENJOY!
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Adam Lustick joins the pod this week to talk NBA excellence (3:45), reviewing the Western Conference (4:15), scoring and lack of defense (5:00), Adam Lustick’s most overrated NBA player (6:30) and underrated NBA player (7:40), Charlotte’s upcoming decision to extend or trade Kemba Walker (8:15), Kemba and Michael Jordan (10:00), NBA power-shifts from West to East (11:40), enjoying the struggles of the Warriors (13:00), the Warriors morphing from fun League Pass heroes to NBA villains (14:00), Warriors 4-6 over the last ten games (16:20), Kevin Durant’s wakeup call (17:10), the Steph Curry effect AKA quantifying Curry’s greatness (18:50), Warriors ineffectiveness in half-court sets (21:00), Jordan’s psychotic competitiveness vs. Durant (22:00), Warriors have coasted the last few years (24:00), Giannis as the next existential threat in the NBA (26:30), the suddenly interesting Eastern Conference (28:00), what the hell is wrong with the Washington Wizards (29:20), reviewing the embarrassing history of the Washington Bullets / Wizards (30:40), the Wall & Beal Washington Wizards (32:00), the Wiz looking listless and entitled (33:00), everyone got paid (33:30), Wall’s lack of leadership (34:10), John Wall is immoveable (35:00), Scott Brooks (35:50), changing the coach in DC (36:40), Bradley Beal’s quote about entitlement (40:00), practice dramas being leaked to the public (41:20), player empowerment at an all-time high (42:00), the pipeline between the media and players (43:00), Markelle Fultz’s mysterious ailments (45:00), Fultz’s future in Philly (46:00), the ‘yips’ (47:15), not giving up on Markelle Fultz’s future and upside (48:00), Fultz’s lack of transparency (50:00), Fultz laughing at the NFL touchdown celebration mocking his shot (51:30), in the era of full-access Fultz’s silence is alienating (53:20) and Syracuse alum Carmelo Anthony’s career sunset (54:30)—ENJOY!
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Tony Hartman joins the pod this week to talk NBA nihilism vis-a-vis the Cleveland Cavs (1:50), the legacy of Carmelo Anthony (3:00), media perception/narrative of Melo (6:30), Melo never winning a ring (8:00), Carmelo rebuilding the Denver Nuggets (8:30), Melo making the playoffs with the Nuggets from 2004-2010 (10:00), Knicks & Melo Pt. 1—The Playoff Runs (11:00), Knicks & Melo Pt. 2—The Dark Ages (13:00), The Garden's reaction to Melo (14:00), The Original Sin—Phil Jackson giving Carmelo a 5 year, max extension (15:00), comparing Melo v. LeBron (17:20), reasons for Melo's decline and obsolescence (19:45), Melo's next career move (22:40), the Banana Boat (24:30), comparing Melo and Iverson's career ends (26:30), the beginning of the end in Golden State!!? (27:40), Kevin Durant joining forces w/ LeBron on the Lakers (28:45), trading Draymond Green (31:00), injuries to the Warriors, Steph and Dray (32:00), Warriors looking predictable (34:00), LeBron's return to Cleveland w/ the Lakers, dissecting his fallout with the team (37:10), stupidly trading Kyrie to the best up-and-coming team in the East, the Boston Celtics (38:15), LeBron buying the Cavs (40:00), Cavs are the worst team in the NBA (42:10), Cavs city edition jerseys (45:45), Jimmy Butler and the new look Philadelphia 76ers (47:40) PLUS—Guess The Lines (51:30)—ENJOY!
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Matt Hobby joins the pod this week to talk being happy for Jimmy Butler (4:15), GM Tom Thibodeau's head is in the sand (4:45), player empowerment and autonomy (5:40), the long, strange trip of Jimmy Butler's young career (7:25), Jimmy Buckets the teammate (8:15), Robert Covington and Dario Šarić place in the history of The Process (11:10), Covington's emergence (12:00), Dario's upside (13:25), PRO/CONS of the trade for the Sixers (14:30): Butler's usage rate and what it means for Simmons and Embiid (15:20), Jimmy Butler as The Closer (17:00), Philly gets their 3rd star in Jimmy Butler (18:10), Fultz to the bench (20:20), Sixers now lack of depth, depleted bench (23:00), the risk of potentially giving a 5-year contract extension to Jimmy Butler (25:40), the Sixers maximizing on a 2-3 year window with Jimmy Butler (30:00), trading Markelle Fultz (31:20), veteran buyouts (34:15), PROS/CONS of the trade for the Timberwolves (37:00), Dario as a playmaker (38:15), two great role-players for the Wolves (39:20), unlocking KAT and Wiggins (40:55), Dario's fun-loving personality (43:20), best possible Jimmy Butler trades (44:00), Sixers odds against the Bucks, Celtics and Raptors to win the East (48:15), the genius of the Toronto Raptors roster construction (49:35), Philly is an unfinished product (52:00), Knicks and Bulls rebuilds (52:45), Bulls early struggles with injuries (53:55), Wendell Carter Jr. (55:25), Zach LaVine thinks he's Kobe Bryant (1:01:50), Jabari Parker (1:02:30), Knicks (1:05:20), Kevin Knox (1:05:45), David Fizdale (1:07:45), the plan to rebuild the Knicks (1:08:30), dispelling the myth sports teams "can't rebuild" in NYC (1:10:30), POWER RANKINGS: NBA City Edition Jerseys (1:12:05), NOLA City Edition (1:13:00), Bulls City Edition (1:14:37), Nets and T'Wolves City Editions (1:15:50), Jazz City Edition (1:17:30), Bucks City Edition (1:18:45), Nuggets City Edition (1:20:12), Kings City Edition (1:20:52), least favorite City Edition jerseys (1:21:48) and Pelicans-Raptors (1:25:00)—ENJOY!
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