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    State of Gold

    Restoring the California Dream One Bold Idea at a Time

    California was once a beacon of prosperity, hope and innovation – symbolized by the Gold Rush, Hollywood and Silicon Valley. Today it’s the least affordable state in the nation and plagued by poverty, homelessness, and sky-high taxes. How did we get here, and how do we turn California around?

    State of Gold is a media platform and citizens’ movement dedicated to restoring the California dream. Host and longtime real estate and tech executive Jon Slavet combines practical wisdom and insurgent energy, as he sits down with voices from across the spectrum. 

    The show will examine and promote the best ideas from any corner to solve the state’s most pressing issues. State of Gold cuts through the noise to explore what’s gone wrong in the Golden State – and what it’ll take to make things right.

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    Prop 50 Could END Democracy in California Forever - Jon Fleischman Sep 16, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Jon Fleischman - Founder, So Does It Matter?

    Guest Bio:

    Jon Fleischman is a longtime political strategist, founder of the influential conservative news sites FlashReport and So Does It Matter?, and former Executive Director and Vice Chair of the California Republican Party. A well-known commentator on California politics, Fleischman has deep insights into the inner workings of campaigns, ballot measures, and party dynamics — particularly from the conservative side of the aisle.

    Show Summary

    If Prop 50 passes, will it signal the end of fair representation in California? Jon Fleischman joins Jon Slavet for a candid conversation about what’s really at stake in the state’s redistricting fight. From backroom deals to public unions bankrolling legislation, Fleischman exposes the self-serving strategies behind the measure — and why it could silence voter choice.

    He explains how California became a one-party state, what needs to change, and why both political sides need to wake up before it's too late. Whether you agree with him or not, this episode offers an important view on how democracy can erode — not overnight, but through single party rule and bad policy.

    Chapters

    00:00 – What Prop 50 Means for California

    01:20 – The Fight Over Gerrymandering and Redistricting

    04:00 – Lawfare, the Courts, and the DOJ’s Role

    06:30 – Why the Ballot Campaign Is Just Beginning

    08:45 – The Political Strategy Behind Both Sides

    11:20 – The Dangers of Politicians Choosing Voters

    13:00 – Flashback: How Lines Were Drawn in the Past

    15:00 – How Public Unions Influence Redistricting

    16:30 – Why Collective Bargaining May Be the Root Issue

    18:20 – The $322 Billion Budget Question

    20:00 – Inside Sacramento's Power Structure

    22:00 – Why Political Competition Matters

    23:30 – Rapid Fire: What Would Fix California

    25:00 – What Still Gives Jon Hope

    Mentioned in this Episode @ 18:30 (re California’s bloated budget)

    https://www.sodoesitmatter.com/p/californias-budget-blunder-chasing?r=295f8&utm_medium=ios&triedRedirect=true

    Connect with Jon Fleischman

    Twitter: https://x.com/FlashReport

    Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jon-fleischman

    Website: https://www.sodoesitmatter.com/

    Website: https://www.flashreport.org/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
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    Gerrymandering, Prop 50 & California's Political Map Wars Sep 11, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Prosecutor & Redistricting Expert Matt Rexroad

    Guest Bio:

    Matt Rexroad is one of California’s leading experts on redistricting, gerrymandering, and political maps. A former Yolo County Supervisor and seasoned Republican strategist, he has advised on both local and statewide redistricting efforts. Rexroad’s voice has become central in unpacking Prop 50 — Governor Newsom’s controversial proposal to redraw congressional districts mid-decade, and its implications for representation, fairness, and democracy in the Golden State.

    Show Summary

    Is California’s redistricting process being hijacked for political gain? In this episode Matt Rexroad breaks down what’s really behind Proposition 50 — and why it could change the future of elections in California. He and Jon Slavet dive into the partisan tactics at play, how rural voices are being erased, and why “elephant-shaped districts” are raising eyebrows across the state. Rexroad also reflects on the history of California’s redistricting reforms, what courts are likely to do next, and why 2028 is the year that explains it all.


    Chapters

    00:00 – Matt Rexroad on Prop 50 & Political Weaponization

    01:15 – The Problem with Mid-Decade Redistricting

    03:00 – Why the New Maps Look Like Animal Cartoons

    04:50 – How Gerrymandering Undermines Rural Voters

    06:40 – Racial vs. Partisan Gerrymandering Explained

    08:20 – Legal Challenges and What Comes Next

    10:15 – What to Expect After the November Vote

    11:30 – Advice for the “No on 50” Movement

    12:45 – How This Era Compares to Past California Politics

    14:00 – Rapid Fire: What Gives You Hope?


    Connect with Matt

    Twitter: https://x.com/MattRexroad

    Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rexroad/

    Website: https://rexroad.com/

    Website: https://strategyinsightshq.com/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

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    Is Gavin Newsom Running a $250M Scam on California Voters? Sep 09, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest

    Rob Stutzman - Fmr. Schwarzenegger Director of Communications

    Guest Bio

    Rob Stutzman is a veteran California political strategist, communications expert, and founder of Stutzman Public Affairs. He served as Communications Director for Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger and has advised numerous political and corporate leaders across the state. Known for his sharp insight and nonpartisan approach, Rob brings a decades-long lens on what’s broken in California politics — and what needs to change.

    Show Summary

    Is Gavin Newsom’s Prop 50 campaign about saving democracy — or simply positioning for a 2028 presidential run? In this candid episode, Rob Stutzman breaks down California’s growing political dysfunction and the high-stakes fight over redistricting. With a veteran insider’s view, he exposes what Prop 50 really means, why independent commissions matter, and how careerism is shaping everything from Newsom’s pivot to affordability politics.

    From broken climate policy to an affordability failure, Rob argues that California is wasting its promise — and only a bold realignment can restore balance. Whether you’re left, right, or independent, this episode challenges the political status quo.


    Chapters

    00:00 – The Prop 50 Power Grab Debate

    01:15 – Why Newsom’s Record Is Hard to Defend

    03:05 – Newsom’s Political Pivot: MAGA Podcasts to Democratic Savior

    04:45 – What’s Really at Stake with Redistricting

    06:10 – The Cost of Political Cynicism

    07:45 – Independent Commissions vs. Political Self-Interest

    09:15 – California’s Political Realignment

    11:10 – Affordability Crisis: Still the #1 Issue

    12:45 – Can Democrats Solve Affordability Before 2026?

    14:00 – King for a Day: What Needs to Change

    15:00 – Misconceptions About California Voters

    16:00 – The Pendulum Is Starting to Swing

    16:40 – California Is Wasting Itself


    Connect with Rob

    X: https://x.com/robstutzman

    Website: https://stutzmanpa.com/

    Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-stutzman-136bb85/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

    • X: https://x.com/realjonslavet
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    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    I Was Called RACIST For Wanting Kids Back in School - Former CA Democrat Tells All Sep 02, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Laura Powell — Civil Rights Attorney

    Guest Bio:

    Laura Powell is a civil rights attorney and founder of the Californians for Equal Rights Foundation. A fearless advocate for parental rights, free speech, and equal treatment under the law, Powell has emerged as a bold voice challenging the political corruption of California’s public institutions. Through high-impact legal efforts and public advocacy, she’s fighting to restore balance, reason, and constitutional principles to the Golden State.

    Show Summary

    Is California still a land of opportunity — or is it becoming a state of control? In this powerful episode, civil rights attorney Laura Powell joins Jon Slavet to discuss the growing wave of bureaucratic overreach in California and what it means for families, students, and everyday citizens. From school choice and gender policy to CEQA reform and free expression, Powell unpacks how legal systems once meant to protect rights are being weaponized for political agendas. She also shares how regular people can reclaim their voice and push back through the courts and the ballot.

    Chapters

    00:00 – California Is Turning on Its Own People

    01:25 – Meet Laura Powell: Civil Rights Attorney

    03:15 – Parental Rights in the Crosshairs

    05:30 – How Public Education Became a Battleground

    08:10 – CEQA and the Fight for Common Sense

    11:02 – The Political Capture of Institutions

    13:45 – Legal Tools to Reclaim Our Rights

    16:22 – Why Speech and Equity Are Being Twisted

    19:00 – Fighting Back Through Courts and Community

    21:15 – Final Thoughts on Hope, Justice, and Reform

    Connect with Laura

    Twitter: https://x.com/LauraPowellEsq

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

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    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    California's Billion Dollar Water Mistake That's Been Hidden Since the 70s - Edward Ring Aug 26, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Edward Ring – Director of Water & Energy Policy, California Policy Center

    Guest Bio:

    Edward Ring is the Director of Water and Energy Policy at the California Policy Center and a founding member of the think tank. He is also the author of The Abundance Choice: Our Fight for More Water in California. With decades of experience analyzing state infrastructure, environmental policy, and governance, Edward offers a data-backed and often controversial lens on what’s fueling California’s decline — and how to fix it.

    Show Summary

    What if California’s biggest environmental crises — from water shortages to wildfires — were actually manmade policy failures? In this compelling episode, Edward Ring unpacks the unintended consequences of the state’s well-meaning but often disastrous legislation. From banning dredging that would increase water flow, to mismanaging forest land and outsourcing oil refining to countries with no environmental standards – he exposes how California’s current path is both ineffective and regressive. Whether you agree with his take or not, this episode will leave you thinking differently about California’s future.


    Chapters

    00:00 – California's Environmental Crises Are Manmade

    01:12 – Meet Edward Ring: Policy Expert and Author

    03:02 – How Dredging Could Solve the Water Shortage

    05:28 – Water Management Is Being Politicized07:41 – Wildfires: Mismanagement vs. Climate

    10:35 – The Myth of Net Zero and Global Emissions

    13:15 – Why California's Energy Policy is Failing

    15:42 – CEQA's Role in the Housing Crisis

    18:30 – The Downside of Green Energy Dogma

    21:00 – The Case for Common-Sense Infrastructure

    23:25 – Why Refinery Closures Are Hurting California

    26:00 – Can We Have Both Growth and Conservation?

    28:45 – How Policy Reform Could Restore Affordability

    31:20 – Final Thoughts on California’s Path Forward


    Connect with Edward

    Twitter: https://x.com/edring

    Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/edward-ring/

    Website: https://californiapolicycenter.org/people/edward-ring/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

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    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stateofgoldpodcast/?hl=en
    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    Can California Be Saved? Real Talk with Former Speaker Curt Pringle Aug 18, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Curt Pringle - Former Speaker of the California Assembly and Mayor of Anaheim

    Guest Bio:

    Curt Pringle is a seasoned political leader and strategist with deep roots in California governance. He served as Speaker of the California State Assembly and later as Mayor of Anaheim, where he spearheaded major housing developments and infrastructure reforms. With decades of experience navigating California’s political evolution, Pringle brings a candid and seasoned voice to today's most urgent state issues.

    Show Summary

    Is California stuck in a cycle of dysfunction? In this bold and wide-ranging conversation, Curt Pringle and Jon Slavet pull back the curtain on what’s really holding the state back—from education failure and housing policy gridlock to the corrosive effects of single-party rule. Drawing from years as Speaker of the Assembly and Mayor of Anaheim, Pringle offers an unfiltered perspective on leadership, affordability, and the path forward. Whether you’re frustrated, hopeful, or somewhere in between—this is an episode you don’t want to miss.


    Chapters

    00:00 – The Rise of Curt Pringle

    01:10 – Lessons from Willie Brown

    03:45 – How Supermajorities Hurt Democracy

    07:15 – Is Newsom Moving to the Center?

    09:00 – What Changed in Sacramento

    10:45 – Why Housing Is a Disaster

    14:00 – CEQA, Costs & California Gridlock

    18:30 – Why Developers Are Leaving

    20:15 – Energy Prices, Gas, and Bad Policy

    22:40 – The Education Crisis in California

    26:00 – Teachers’ Unions vs. Students

    29:00 – Voter ID & Election Integrity

    32:00 – The Budget Deficit Trap

    35:30 – What Gives Pringle Hope


    Connect with Curt

    Twitter: https://x.com/curtpringle

    Instagram:​​ https://www.instagram.com/curtpringleandassociates/?hl=en

    Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/curt-pringle-47889110/

    Website: https://www.curtpringle.com/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

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    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    The Yimby Movement vs. California: Sonja Trauss On Housing, CEQA & Fighting For The Future Aug 12, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Sonja Trauss – Founder & Exec Director of YIMBY Law

    Guest Bio:

    Sonja Trauss is the founder and executive director of YIMBY Law, a groundbreaking organization using litigation and advocacy to enforce housing laws and expand all types of housing across California. A former math teacher turned activist, Sonja helped ignite the Yes In My Backyard (YIMBY) movement and has become one of the state’s most passionate and fearless voices for housing abundance, zoning reform, and environmental accountability.

    Her work challenges entrenched interests and weaponized regulations — and she’s not afraid to call out CEQA abuse, NIMBYism, or political hypocrisy. Sonja is based in the Bay Area and continues to push for real solutions to California’s affordability crisis.

    Show Summary

    Can California be affordable again — and who’s actually fighting for it? In this episode, Jon Slavet sits down with housing warrior Sonja Trauss to unpack the real story behind the state’s housing shortage.

    From CEQA lawsuits and zoning gridlock to political cowardice and rising homelessness, Sonja reveals how bad policy and entrenched interests have weaponized the environmental movement against the very people it’s meant to protect. She also breaks down the YIMBY movement’s legal and grassroots strategy for building more homes, faster — and why local activism is the key to turning California around.

    Chapters

    00:00 – The Housing Crisis Is Political

    01:30 – Meet Sonja Trauss: From Math Teacher to Activist

    03:00 – Why CEQA Lawsuits Are Killing Housing

    05:22 – How the YIMBY Movement Took Off

    07:18 – What Environmentalists Get Wrong

    09:05 – How Local Governments Block Growth

    10:40 – Holding Politicians Accountable with Lawsuits

    12:11 – What It’ll Take to Actually Build

    13:35 – The Future of California Depends on This


    Connect with Sonja

    Twitter: https://x.com/SonjaTrauss

    Instagram: ​​https://instagram.com/sonjatraussd6

    Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/sonja-trauss-02002968

    Website: https://yimbyaction.org/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

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    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stateofgoldpodcast/?hl=en
    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    The Next-Gen Fighter: Alexandra Macedo Is Taking On California's Broken System Aug 05, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Alexandra Macedo – Member of the California State Assembly

    Guest Bio:

    Alexandra Macedo is California’s youngest-ever Republican assemblywoman, a fourth-generation farmer, and a fierce advocate for agriculture, entrepreneurship, and common sense reform. Raised in the Central Valley with deep roots in dairy and farming, she’s built her own environmental compliance business, earned her law degree while working full-time, and is now fighting for policies that serve working families, not bureaucratic agendas.

    Show Summary

    How did a young woman from a farming family become one of California’s boldest political voices? In this powerful episode, Assemblywoman Alexandra Macedo joins Jon Slavet to share her journey from agriculture to the statehouse — and why she’s fed up with Sacramento’s war on working Californians.

    From crushing regulations to water mismanagement and labor instability, Alexandra breaks down the real cost of California’s political dysfunction — and what needs to change. With passion, grit, and deep insight into both policy and business, she represents a rising generation of leaders who refuse to give up on the Golden State.


    Chapters

    00:00 – Meet Alexandra Macedo: Central Valley Roots

    01:20 – From Ag to Law School to Sacramento

    03:45 – $1,600 Per Acre: The Crushing Cost of Compliance

    06:10 – The Water Crisis: Droughts, Floods & Failed Infrastructure

    08:30 – Why Sacramento Doesn’t Understand Agriculture

    10:00 – California’s Labor Crunch & Migrant Workforce Realities

    13:00 – Fixing Immigration Without the Fear-Mongering

    15:20 – Who’s Really to Blame for California’s Problems?

    17:40 – Medi-Cal Cuts, Wildfires, and the Trump Blame Game

    20:10 – Winning Over Gen Z with Real Talk

    22:00 – Rapid Fire: Infrastructure, Reagan, Hope & the Future


    Connect with Alexandra

    Twitter: https://x.com/AsmwomanMacedo

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/macedoforassembly/?hl=en

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/assemblywomanmacedo/

    Website: https://www.alexandramacedo.com/

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

    • X: https://x.com/realjonslavet
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    • Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stateofgoldpodcast/?hl=en
    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    Steve Hilton On Fixing California: Housing, Leadership & The Fight For Common Sense Jul 29, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Steve Hilton, Republican Candidate for Governor of California

    Guest Bio:

    Steve Hilton is a political commentator, former senior advisor to British Prime Minister David Cameron, and now candidate for Governor of California. In the U.S., he's best known as the host of The Next Revolution on Fox News and for his passionate advocacy around housing, common sense governance, and community-led solutions. A California resident for nearly a decade, Steve co-founded Golden Together, a movement committed to reviving the Golden State through bold ideas and practical policy reforms.

    Show Summary

    What happened to California’s promise — and can it be saved? In this urgent and insightful conversation, Steve Hilton joins Jon Slavet to unpack the state’s biggest challenges, from the housing disaster to political dysfunction, and what’s really stopping progress. Drawing from his experience in both U.K. and U.S. politics, Hilton explains how California’s one-party rule has stifled reform, why CEQA is still sabotaging affordability, and how a new common-sense movement might be the key to turning things around. If you care about California’s future, this one’s a must-listen.

    Chapters

    00:00 – Steve Hilton on Why He Came to California

    02:10 – What Makes the State So Broken

    03:55 – The Real Reason Housing Is Unaffordable

    06:00 – How CEQA Became a Weapon

    08:25 – Gavin Newsom’s Broken Promises

    10:40 – Why Reform Doesn’t Happen

    12:15 – How One-Party Rule Hurts Progress

    14:50 – The Problem with Top-Down Leadership

    16:35 – Golden Together: A Movement for Change

    19:00 – How California Can Actually Be Fixed

    21:20 – Final Thoughts on Hope, Power, and Citizen-Led Change

    Connect with Steve

    Twitter: https://x.com/SteveHiltonx

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/stevehiltonx

    Website: https://www.youtube.com/@stevehiltonx

    Enjoyed the episode? Subscribe to our podcast, leave a review on Apple Podcasts or Spotify and join the conversation on Instagram and LinkedIn with the hashtag #stateofgoldpodcast
    Connect with State of Gold

    • X: https://x.com/realjonslavet
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    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

    Elex Michaelson On California’s Political Future: Newsom, Kamala & The 2026 Shakeup Jul 24, 2025
    Show notes

    Guest:

    Fox News LA Anchor Elex Michaelson

    Guest Bio:

    Elex Michaelson is the co-anchor of Fox 11 News in Los Angeles and host of the weekly political show The Issue Is. Known for his thoughtful interviews and debate moderation, Elex has spoken with some of the nation’s most influential political leaders and received eight Emmy Awards and seven Golden Mikes. A native Californian, he brings deep insight into the state’s political dynamics, media landscape, and upcoming elections.

    Show Summary

    From Gavin Newsom’s calculated media strategy to Kamala Harris’s next move and the growing appeal of centrist disruptors like Rick Caruso, this episode is a masterclass in California’s political future. Award-winning journalist and political commentator Elex Michaelson joins Jon Slavet for a candid conversation on what’s really happening behind the scenes — from deepening divides in LA to the state’s national image, and whether Republicans even stand a chance in 2026.

    Chapters

    00:00 – Newsom’s New Persona: The Left’s Anti-Trump

    01:12 – Meet Elex Michaelson

    02:20 – What’s Dividing Los Angeles

    04:30 – Mayor Bass: Firestorm Fallout vs. Political Wins

    06:40 – Fires, Permitting, and AI Solutions

    08:30 – Rick Caruso’s Next Move

    10:42 – Newsom’s Media Playbook and 2028 Ambitions

    13:10 – Authenticity and the Problem with “Shifting”

    15:50 – Kamala vs. Caruso: What’s Next in 2026?

    18:20 – Can Republicans Win in California?

    21:10 – Why Local Issues Get Derailed by National Politics

    24:15 – Prop 36, Party Pushback, and the Center-Left Surge

    26:00 – Rapid Fire: Education, Stereotypes, and Hope for CA

    Connect with Elex

    X: https://x.com/elex_michaelson

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/elexmichaelson/

    Tik Tok: https://www.tiktok.com/@elexmichaelson

    Linked In: https://www.linkedin.com/in/elexmichaelson/

    Website: https://www.youtube.com/elexmichaelson

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    • Website: www.stateofgold.com

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