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    Stand Partners for Life

    Violinists (and husband and wife) Nathan Cole and Akiko Tarumoto give you an inside look at performing with the Los Angeles Philharmonic. Each week brings new repertoire, conductors, soloists… and new stories from their life-long love affair with classical music, the violin, and their family.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Music or muddle: Shostakovich’s 5th Symphony Dec 03, 2022
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    Shostakovich had never had it worse: his latest opera, Lady Macbeth, had been panned. And not just by an ordinary critic: Joseph Stalin himself had paid a visit to the opera house. The official Soviet opinion of the work? “Muddle instead of music.”

    Shostakovich therefore pulled his Symphony No. 4 out of rehearsals and regrouped. He determined to write “a Soviet artist’s response to justified criticism,” a work that would become his Symphony No. 5.

    Join me and Akiko as we talk Shostakovich, Saint-Saens, and Francisco Coll, along with guest artists Gustavo Gimeno, conductor, and Javier Perianes, piano!


    The best cadenza ever? Prokofiev and Ma Vlast Nov 27, 2022
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    Have you ever “discovered” a major piece, live, in the concert hall? Nathan remembers sitting right next to a big star performing Prokofiev’s second Piano Concerto, with its massive and breathtaking first-movement cadenza. Then he and Akiko talk about sitting right next to another big star this week for the same piece.

    They also reminisce about those stacks of records, cassette tapes, and ultimately CDs from which they learned all the repertoire.

    Finally, they debate the categories for this week’s rep: Qigang Chen’s l’eloignement, Prokofiev’s Piano Concerto No. 2 in g minor, and Smetana’s Ma Vlast, with Bezhod Abduraimov as piano soloist and Xian Zhang conducting.


    Stand Partners “Four” Life Nov 18, 2022
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    This week’s landmark episode marks the return of Akiko, plus a pair of fellow stand partners for life: violists Kate Reddish and Eric Lea! We discuss the slings and arrows of a career in music, what you can and can’t get from music school, what it’s like to be part of a string-playing pair, and much more.

    Kate Reddish is a Los Angeles-based freelance violist. She enjoys a busy and varied career subbing with nearly every major orchestra in the Southern California area, performing as a chamber musician, and teaching and coaching individuals and groups. Kate can be heard on hundreds of film scores, albums, and TV shows, and has appeared on television and on film.

    Kate comes from a “numbers” family: her father was a tax attorney and CPA and her mother a bookkeeper; her sister followed that path to work as a bookkeeper and financial analyst. Meanwhile, Kate, who started playing the viola through the public school system in Riverside, was certain that a life in music was the only life she wanted.

    Kate earned her BA and MM from UCLA (go Bruins!), studying with former Los Angeles Philharmonic principal violist Evan Wilson. Feeling nothing like a Master, she then trotted across town to USC (go Trojans!) to complete an artist’s diploma with eminent pedagogue Donald McInnes. Since finishing her formal schooling, Kate has also participated in intensive courses with Burton Kaplan, Rob Knopper, Noa Kageyama, and Nathan Cole.

    In June of 2021, Kate started her own business, KMR Creative, consulting for online educators and coaches. She currently works closely with Nathan Cole to design and implement his many online offerings and to build the communities that rise up around those courses.

    Kate enjoys yoga and dance, good food and wine, card games and crossword puzzles, and creating order out of chaos. She currently lives in South Pasadena with her husband, violist and composer Eric Lea, and their sweet kitty, Misha.

    Eric Lea is a reasonably tall violist. He has a BM from the University of Arizona and an MM from USC (see above re: Trojans), both in viola performance. He has subbed with many symphonies and played and recorded with many bands. As the violist for the band Get Set Go, his playing could be barely discerned by millions under snappy dialogue in several episodes of Grey’s Anatomy, and he has toured Japan with songwriter/producer Mike Viola (coincidence?), with whom he and Kate recorded an album called Acousto de Perfecto. He fancies himself as something of a composer now, and his song cycles can be heard at ericlea.bandcamp.com.


    Travis Maril, Violympic Champion Nov 11, 2022
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    I’m joined in the backyard this week by Violympian and VMC participant Travis Maril, as well as his fellow USC alum and my Director of Operations, Kate Reddish. Our wide-ranging conversation includes no small measure of pedagogical geekery, as well as such diverse topics as Tae Kwon Do bribery and Michael Jordan’s private Space Jam gym.

    Violist Travis Maril is String Coordinator and Viola Faculty at San Diego State University (SDSU), where he has taught since 2007. At SDSU he also serves as Co-Director of the Community Music School’s String Academy, a pre-college program for young musicians, which he co-founded in 2012.

    As violist with the Hyperion Quartet, Travis was a prizewinner at the Fischoff National Chamber Music Competition. Over the years he has collaborated in chamber music projects with principal players of the LA Philharmonic, Cleveland Orchestra, Cincinnati Symphony, San Diego Symphony, and members of the Chamber Music Society of Lincoln Center, Miró Quartet, and Brooklyn Rider, among others. Locally he performs frequently with Camarada, Art of Elan, and with the San Diego Symphony.

    Inspired by the Violympics in 2021, Travis started String Gym, his own online program for violinists and violists. Through String Gym, Travis works with players across the US, Australia, Germany and Taiwan. From time to time he also writes about music-related topics on his blog, String Theory. You can also follow Travis on Instagram.

    If you’re interested in joining us for the fifth iteration of VMC, starting in 2023, you can find out more information here, and apply here.


    Kerstin Tenney and the Light Album Nov 04, 2022
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    Nathan, Kerstin and Kate (and Kate’s SPFL Eric) in Pasadena

    Today I’m talking with Kerstin Tenney, VMC violinist par excellence, as well as my Director of Operations, violist (and VMC alumna par equally excellence) Kate Reddish. We talk about Kerstin’s musical education, her experience in the Virtuoso Master Course, and the new album she’s recorded with Simon Kiln and the English Symphony Orchestra!

    Violinist Kerstin Tenney finished recording her first solo violin album in England earlier this year, and is now preparing for its release in the early months of 2023. Her 16-track album, Light, features four newly commissioned pieces, and 8 new arrangements written specifically for this project. Following a lifelong desire to learn, Kerstin has worked with Nathan Cole in every iteration of his Virtuoso Master Course. She plays with the Tabernacle Choir and Orchestra at Temple Square in Salt Lake City, Utah, does freelance work, and has a private violin studio, teaching in person and online. In her teaching, along with focusing on the musical and technical aspects involved with playing, Kerstin incorporates the mental in addressing thoughts and fears that inhibit progression, the physiological and anatomical components of playing in understanding the structure of the body and how this affects one’s playing, and looks at the role the neurological system has in playing the violin.

    Kerstin can be found on her website at http://www.kerstintenney.com, her newsletter at https://bit.ly/KerstinsNewsletter, and on Instagram at @kerstintenney.

    If you’re interested in joining us for the fifth iteration of VMC, starting in 2023, you can find out more information here, and apply here.


    Tour-ready? Copland 3, Mahler 1, and more Oct 28, 2022
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    It’s tour time! While you’re listening, we’ll be flying, driving, and playing our way through Boston, New York, Mexico City, and Guanajuato. So to kick off the trip, let’s talk tour repertoire and hand out some awards.

    Tour rep includes Copland’s Third Symphony and Mahler 1 as the “big pieces”, plus violin concertos from Arturo Marquez and Gabriela Ortiz. Which composers would we love to have dinner with? What are the scariest moments in these concerts? And what was the most memorable on-stage exchange during tour prep?


    Welcome back with the All-Time Awards Oct 21, 2022
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    Akiko and I are back for the 2022-2023 season! In this first episode we share with you a fun new format: awards in all kinds of different categories. Next week we’ll focus on the season-opening tour prep weeks at the LA Phil, but for today we’re handing out some All-Time awards.

    Discover which composers we’d love to have dinner with, which excerpts terrify us in auditions, and which conductor gestures stand the test of time.

    And don’t forget to subscribe wherever you listen to podcasts, just by clicking the link below the podcast player. Welcome back to SPFL!


    039: Summer motivation, plus Q & A Jun 28, 2020
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    We took quite a long break from recording the show with everything going on at the moment, but we are so glad to be back. To kick things off again we thought we would use this episode to go through a bit of what we have been up to, staying home with the LA Phil out of action, some of the work and practicing we have been doing and then to field a bunch of listener questions. We look back at the last few days of regular work before quarantine began and then talk a bit about how we adjusted our schedules after things completely stopped. Nathan talks about his Violympics group, Akiko shares some of her dreams of home fitness and we explain the home recording process we have been working on. This unusual period presents a somewhat useful possibility to musicians; we all have areas of our playing that we wish we could improve and spend more time developing — and this could be the time to do it. After the complete rundown of our work-from-home life, we get into answering questions on quieting inner critics and protecting the joy of playing, practical concerns of changing strings and re-hairing bows! Key Points From This Episode: The last days of work and the changes in our schedules since the pandemic began. Shifting plans and changing the focus of our practice for time at home. The video recording we did and the insecurities that arise in watching yourself. Unusual repertoires and more practice time in the work from home world. The ‘Violympics’ and the questions that came from the group. Staying motivated and practicing during this time with the LA Phil on hiatus. Considering the plight of young musicians finishing music school right now. Investing in different skills and upping your game during this downtime. Personal qualities that lend themselves to a successful career in an orchestra. Tips for quieting the inner critic when performing or recording. Separating and protecting the joy of playing from the need to do it for a living. The importance of friendships and connection within a job in an orchestra. Changing strings, re-hairing bows, off the string strokes and more. Divisions for practicing a new piece and ways to focus on tricky passages. Tweetables: “I think it is scary to think of coming back together. I think we’ve all changed. I think it’s going to be such a substantial amount of time that we all would have changed in a lot of ways.” — Akiko Tarumoto [0:24:20] “Our whole lives I think so much of our self-worth is wrapped up in how we play. I don’t know that that’s healthy or right, but it’s inescapable.” — Nathan Cole [0:25:10] “It is reassuring to know that orchestra or no orchestra, we’re still musicians.” — Akiko Tarumoto [0:25:25] Transcript EPISODE 39 [INTRO] [00:00:00] NC: Hi and welcome back to Stand Partners for Life. I’m Nathan Cole. [00:00:05] AT: I’m Akiko Tarumoto. [EPISODE] [00:00:19] NC: And last time we came at you, the world was a very different place. Needless to say, we’ve taken quite a long break, but we’re happy to be back talking with each other and talking to you. Yeah, even though things have changed quite a bit. We were just trying to come up with what our last episode had been and we were talking conductors. How important is a conductor? Do we really need a conductor? [00:00:43] AT: Who knew we wouldn’t need a conductor for months? [00:00:46] NC: Yeah. We got our wish. Didn’t see any conductors for months. Yeah, it’s like the monkey’s paw. Got more than we bargained for. [00:00:56] AT: The corpse showed up at the front door. [00:00:58] NC: Yeah. I mean, we certainly won’t be the first people sharing our thoughts about the changed state of the world on classical music since the pandemic began. Maybe our thoughts don’t have to run too deep. But what do you think about our musical and our artistic lives since this all took route? When was the last time we were at work? [00:01:26] AT: It was what? March 12th to 13th. Something like that. Yeah. [00:01:31] NC: Mid-March. It was a week full of children’s programs, right? Children’s or young adult programs. Our big challenges that week, we’re keeping all the books straight. Got this book for this program and transferring bowings in and out of this part and that part and just – [00:01:51] AT: I think there were three different concert masters playing the same solos. That was a challenge too. [00:01:57] NC: Was one of them you? [00:01:59] AT: I was sitting next to all of them, I think. [00:02:01] NC: Oh, okay. [00:02:01] AT: I was not one of them. But yeah, I was trying to make myself useful. [00:02:07] NC: I do remember stressing about a solo. Yeah, it’s one of those weird – Something like when you’re a kid, some assignment is due and you pay for a snow day or some fake disaster call the next day that would spare you from having to go in. [00:02:22] AT: Here now, you got like a snow year. [00:02:24] NC: Yeah, unfortunately. I mean, who knew that that would be the last day there. I really haven’t been back at the hall. I know you haven’t. I’m sure it won’t come as a surprise that for the next couple of weeks, because it started to sync in, I mean, I’m not sure that I took the violin much out of the case. I had been practicing a lot actually right up until that moment and it came to a screeching halt and then I just didn’t want to play at all. [00:02:53] AT: Yeah. It was strange. I had somehow injured myself. I think we’ve been doing a lot of like the Ives and Dvořák on the regular subscription concerts. I forget why. I sort of felt like I was susceptible and maybe I wasn’t doing enough individual practice and I was like playing maybe kind of without paying super close attention to my technique. [00:03:21] NC: Well, it was that point in the season too, where athletes always have that point in a basketball season right around March, April. [00:03:29] AT: Right. Everyone’s got something going on. [00:03:31] NC: Yeah, dings and I think we have that too. I often notice by March or April. It’s just been a lot of weeks in a row, and the little things start adding up. [00:03:44] AT: And we had extra stuff too that we were playing some kind of extra concerts. Yeah, I don’t know. Yeah. I mean, of course we’re getting – we, I’m getting older. [00:03:53] NC: Well, I think I am too. [00:03:55] AT: I guess we’re all getting older. It’s becoming more significant. Yeah, I’m just starting to notice a little more wear and tear. That was happening then for me. Maybe not so much for you, but yeah, I immediately just did not play for two weeks because my wrist really hurt. My right wrist. I have to be careful not to say that I was grateful to have a little time to recover, because it’s been such a horrible, horrible thing that’s happened to everybody in the entire world, which is it’s crazy. Nobody wants to say that somehow there were silver linings. [00:04:29] NC: Well, me too. I thought, “Okay, it’s been kind of a pain to do all these practicing. I’m going to appreciate a few days off, maybe.” [00:04:39] AT: Yeah. I guess we also didn’t know what the scope of it was going to be so much. There’s that. At first it was like, “Hey, we can hang out with our kids more.” Yeah, just sort of appreciate life getting slow, like really slow. But eventually we did feel the urge to the feel a little bit normal I think. Then we picked up our instruments again, and I fortunately at point had recovered from that problem, and then another problem came up from practicing. But we’ll get into that. [00:05:12] NC: Yeah. What’s the first thing you remember playing again after – I mean, was it about two weeks? That’s what I remember. [00:05:18] AT: It was about two weeks. Then I think at that point, it was starting to become obvious that was going to be long. I think it was going to be at least a couple months away from work. Then I feel I wanted people to be able to see LA Phil people playing. So they put out a call for some videos, and I thought – I mean, I think you took a little convincing, but I thought wouldn’t it be nice to take advantage of having two violinists in the same house and doing some cool violin duo repertoire? A lot of that is very technical. I thought that might be a nice chance for me to work on a side of my playing that I am usually really not confident about, which is sort of just fun, technical playing. [00:05:59] NC: It amazes me. [00:06:02] AT: I mean, it’s just not – It hasn’t really been my thing. But it’s been back on my mind that I want to do some duo stuff with you, and it just felt almost like a little opportunity to finally do that. [00:06:13] NC: Yeah, it really was. That made me get the violin back out and try to brush those things up. Yeah, you were alluding to the fact that we both sort of seem to reinjure ourselves a little bit. I think we’re very enthusiastic about playing that Wieniawski. [00:06:29] AT: Oh! So silly. Well, it just goes to show you. I don’t think of myself as a very technical player. Then the first time I try to really work up something technical, then I injured myself. It’s like great. Because I was right. [00:06:42] NC: Well, so neither of us seems to permanently hurt. But I think we’re just – We’re sore for a little bit. [00:06:51] AT: I think you pair that with like my sad attempts at home fitness. I think that created home physical fitness combined with home violin fitness, and that was kind of a potent formula for injuring myself. [00:07:08] NC: Well, almost every time I have gotten hurt, I think it has always been a combination of doing something physical that I’m not quite used to and then a lot of playing at the same time. [00:07:19] AT: Yeah. One time we were moving, and so you were lifting a lot of heavy stuff and moving around and you’re practicing a bunch of – yeah, you were working up like I think a solo recital, something like Paganini and stuff. Then you were out of work for like two months. [00:07:35] NC: That’s the only time I’ve really missed an extended stretch of work. Yeah, it’s always like that. During this time, everybody’s routine is different, right? We’re seeing a lot more, the kids — I’m picking up the kids more playing with things a lot closer to the ground. I feel like my back has gotten weird from time to time. [00:07:55] AT: Oh yeah. I spent a lot of time like in a 90 degree angle. [00:08:00] NC: Picking up Legos. [00:08:01] AT: Like bent in half just like picking things up. They always say, “Oh! You should make your kids do it.” It’s like, “You know what? It’s just so exhausting telling them to.” Like the job that they do is not their own. [00:08:14] NC: Easier just to do it yourself. [00:08:16] AT: Yeah. If I don’t want to step on a Lego, then I better pick it up myself. [00:08:20] NC: But I have to say, it felt great to do that Wieniawski. I mean, first of all, it was really fun to play it with you. We should say what it was that we played. Is it Opus 18? I can’t – Anyway, it’s the set of A to Caprice’s. And there are 8 of them, 8 of them or 10 of them, but a few that seem to be more famous than the rest. We did a couple of the better note ones. There’s a really fast one, number 4 in A minor that we did, and then we did also number 2. That’s in E flat. Yeah, it was really fun to play those with you and nice. Because the idea was not just to audio record, but to get a video as well. [00:09:07] AT: Right, which was tricky for a number of reasons. Because like I don’t know if I’d rather – I mean, like in the audio, then you’re really focusing on the sound because you know the picture. But then the picture, I was a little freaked about, because first of all, speaking of home fitness, it hasn’t been happening as much as I might hope. Yeah, I felt like I was going to surprise people with how like much weight I gained or something. Anyway – [00:09:39] NC: If you looked any different at all. [00:09:39] AT: Yeah. I mean, all these like little weird insecurities about the video. I was glad that we did it and I won’t look at it because – I still haven’t watched it. [00:09:51] NC: Oh! That’s right. Yeah, you never watch, and I had to watch it. I mean, it was a pleasure, but anytime you’re watching and listening to your own playing, there’s a lot of pain too. I have to watch that 20 times to put the shots together. You hear one of your out of tune notes, you hear it once, and it’s sort of pains you. But when you have to listen to it 25 times in a row to get a shot cut just right. It’s like even the stuff that’s in-tune starts sounding wrong to you. You just have to finish the job and pick up – [00:10:28] AT: Yeah. I’m not going to be watching that anytime soon. [00:10:30] NC: But you sounded great. [00:10:32] AT: Thank you. I’ll have to take your word for it. But then I kind of felt like it’d be fun to record other stuff. There’s more violin duos maybe we could think about maybe with less technical ones. There’s Leclair ones that are really pretty. But then part of me is like dying to – This is something that’s happened during – You notice so many things about your playing in this situation because you’re finally playing by yourself a lot only basically. [00:11:02] NC: We always complain about that, how an orchestra, “Oh! I can never hear myself.” Now, all that you can do – [00:11:07] AT: That’s kind of amazing. I was reading something in the New York Times about how there was a joke among Broadway performs that they’re all going to come back and really like well-rested and in good shape. [00:11:20] NC: Oh, yeah. [00:11:20] AT: I was like, “Yeah, you could say the same thing about us. I mean, everyone is practicing a ton at home. Just kind of incredible. Not to say that we don’t normally, but it is easy to get caught up in the everyday of playing an ensemble. Then to be able to, on a really regular basis, reacquaint yourself with your own playing is kind of amazing. [00:11:43] NC: It’s gone somewhat in streaks too, right? I mean, there have been stretches where you or I, or both of us, have played a lot. Then other weeks where it’s a little more slack. Because you don’t want to – There was that time when nobody was playing right in the beginning, and then all of a sudden it seemed like everyone had all these energy and everyone was putting up all these videos and concepts and then you’re like, “Oh! Now I’ve got to practice all the time.” [00:12:09] AT: Yeah. That gave me the courage to make a video, because people were like, “There are so many videos right now that no one will even see yours.” I was like, “That’s what I needed to hear. Thank you.” [00:12:19] NC: Then you sort of mentally you have a backlash that like, “This is silly! I’m not going to practice and play stuff just because everybody is and everybody expects it.” It’s like this rapid back and forth pendulum. [00:12:35] AT: Yeah. I mean the fact is that we have to keep up our playing. [00:12:39] NC: Yeah, because there’s always that fear of if you don’t, will it come back when you need it? [00:12:46] AT: Yeah. Like I said, I am getting older and I think I’ve had some lucky escapes where like I can play in the past. I didn’t play for a while and I came back. Yeah, it’s still there. [00:12:58] NC: Still got it. [00:12:57] AT: One of these days, I’m going to come back and it will still be there. That’s – Keep track. [00:13:02] NC: I’m going to guess that far in the future for you. [00:13:06] AT: You never know. [00:13:07] NC: Well, what else have we been doing musically since then? I mean, I’ve had a number of my own online projects. I think it was right after or right around the same time that we’re playing Wieniawski, and it was good that I had to get in good shape for that because I decided to do some Bach, and that’s not original because so many people have played and recorded and streamed Bach and all that. I wanted to do it from a teaching standpoint primarily. I called the series Bach on the road. Basically, every Monday, Wednesday, Friday for six weeks, got on live on Facebook and YouTube, and every week, looked at a d…

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    038: Do we really need a conductor? Mar 04, 2020
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    Here at Stand Partner HQ, we get this question a lot! And that should tell you something without even knowing the answer. Nobody asks what a pilot does, or if we really need one for our airplanes. But the conductor’s role isn’t nearly so obvious, to our audiences and even, at times, to us! Do we really need someone up front “driving the train”? Do a conductor’s responsibilities begin and end with a downbeat and a final cutoff? Key points Akiko’s forthcoming appearance on the Every Little Thing podcast Audience fixation on the conductor as the focal point of an orchestra The job of the conductor during rehearsal and performance Giving instruction vs. providing a “guiding current” Examples of time wasting, directionless rehearsal Examples of showing appreciation for the work of the players; giving credit where it’s due Petty retaliation: talking in rehearsals and other signs of discontent Setting aside grudges for the concert and putting the music ahead of everything else Do musicians always agree who’s a great conductor? How to balance exerting control and letting go of it The “dreaded hand”: play quieter! Components of a perfect conductor; designing the Robo-conductor! Links Every Little Thing Podcast Gimlet Media Jeopardy Sean Connery Full Metal Jacket Andrew Manze Robocop Kurtwood Smith Transcript EPISODE 38 [EPISODE] [00:00:01] NC: Hi and welcome back to Stand Partners for Life. I’m Nathan Cole. [00:00:04] AT: I am Akiko Tarumoto. [00:00:18] NC: And today we are talking about conductors and not just because we see a conductor all the time at work, see many conductors. There’s actually a special reason, that’s because you are going to be a featured guest on another podcast. [00:00:33] AT: Yeah. [00:00:33] NC: I couldn’t be more proud. It’s like a spinoff of Stand Partners. It’s great. We got a call from the show Every Little Thing, which is a Gimlet Media show. They answer or try to answer questions that you can’t find out just by Googling. Their recent example was how to police sketch artists really. Can they really come up with a picture that’s so close to the person you’re thinking of and they went through it. It was really fascinating, and all the episodes come from listener questions. It’s actually a great idea for this show. [00:01:13] AT: It’s true. Should steal that. [00:01:16] NC: I know. I think I might. They actually play the call – If someone calls in and leaves a message, it’s very 90s. You have to leave a message on the machine. In this case, someone was calling up to say if, “I were ever the victim of a crime, I would be the worst witness. There was no way the police could ever pick up the person because I wouldn’t be able to describe to a sketch artist anybody’s face. I’m the worst and I really don’t believe the sketch artist could help me. Do they really work?” They actually found a sketch artist. So that was the expert on the call and they had this person describe his best friend, I believe it was. [00:01:58] AT: Aha. And it worked? [00:01:59] NC: And it worked. [00:02:00] AT: That’s just too much pressure. I can’t produce on this level tomorrow. [00:02:04] NC: In this episode, they have someone asking about conductors and about all kinds of things that go on in orchestra rehearsals and concerts. So that is going to be you. Now, you do have to share the episode with a conductor in addition to the caller. [00:02:23] AT: Yes. Not in real-time, but yeah. [00:02:24] NC: Right. Since you might – I don’t know. You might feel like you couldn’t say everything you wanted to about a conductor. Who knows? We thought this might be – They might not give you all the airtime. You might – [00:02:37] AT: Did you say this conductor? Right. I mean, I hope that I won’t be carrying the entire episode. It would be funny if I described my ideal conductor and just synthesize this person to see if they’re really an effective leader. [00:02:51] NC: That’s true. [00:02:52] AT: That’d be pretty awesome. That would be like the equivalent of the sketch artist, but I won’t be doing that. I’ll just be pontificating. [00:03:00] NC: Look for that episode. The show again is Every Little Thing. It’s a great show. You should subscribe anyway. Yeah, listen for Akiko’s episode coming out hopefully in the next month. Today is our chance before that happens to expand on this idea of conductors. Yeah, I mean speaking of people calling in or at least approaching us after concerts, what’s one of the first things they always want to talk about. [00:03:27] AT: A conductor. Yeah. We really like this conductor. I hear that a lot, which is great. I mean, I don’t want to hear we really hated that conductor. [00:03:36] NC: That’s true. Because then we might feel that we didn’t somehow do our job in the concert. [00:03:41] AT: Right. Sure. [00:03:41] NC: If all you came away with was that you hated the conductor. We’re supposed to be the ones coming away with that. Not the audience. [00:03:48] AT: And we do. [00:03:50] NC: Why do you think that is? I mean, besides maybe the obvious reason, the conductor is up on a podium waving arms around and their name is really big in the program. I mean, why are audience members fixated on the conductor? Is that right? I mean, is the conductor’s job that big that they should be so fixated? [00:04:10] AT: Yeah. I mean, definitely, I can see how someone’s attention is automatically drawn there. I mean, where else are they going to look? I mean, there’s a lot of moving parts and we’re all supposedly tuned in to this one person. So that makes sense that the audience would feel that they’re getting something of our experience by watching this person. [00:04:33] NC: Yeah. Ideally, right. I mean, we’re focused on the conductors so that should also draw their attention to the conductor. Well, I mean that’s a great place to start, is what the role of a conductor is or should be at least according to us. After that we’re going to get into maybe what their job shouldn’t be things conductors do and don’t do that we dislike. Is that the longest section of the show? [00:05:03] AT: Yeah. I mean, it’s something I’ve certainly thought a lot about. [00:05:06] NC: All right. We’ll try to keep that constructive though. After that, I know we’re going to get into perhaps what happens when those conductors sort of spend their time and their energy doing the things that aren’t productive. What are some of the ways that orchestras, not necessarily us or our orchestra, sort of retaliate? [00:05:26] AT: I think things we’ve definitely seen, we’ve witnessed. [00:05:29] NC: Yeah. [00:05:30] AT: Yeah. I warn you, they’re not all super mature or maybe none of them are. But – [00:05:34] NC: All right. But human nature, musician nature nonetheless. [00:05:38] AT: It is a glimpse into what it’s like, the dynamic of being subordinate to this person. [00:05:46] NC: Right. Then finishing up I think with some examples of what we really love about great conductors and great conducting. [00:05:54] AT: Yeah, and on a positive note. [00:05:56] NC: Yeah. [00:05:56] AT: Sound like a bunch of complainers. [00:05:58] NC: Yeah. Okay. We’ve got the role, conductor’s role as it should be. Then maybe conductor’s role as it shouldn’t or needn’t be. Ways that orchestras respond to those bad uses of time and energy. [00:06:13] AT: Sound like Jeopardy categories. [00:06:15] NC: Yeah. We’d need pithier names, and we’re at least Sean Connery here to do the categories. Great! Well, we’ll start it up. What should a conductor be doing up there? Why should the audience as well as the musicians focus on the conductor in the best of circumstances? [00:06:34] AT: I mean, obviously the very basic thing, they tell us when to play, how fast to play, how loud or soft to play. Shows how many beats are in every measure. [00:06:44] NC: That’s sure. As you said, on the most basic level, that includes – Yeah, starting and stopping, tempos, dynamics. [00:06:53] AT: Yes, that’s the very basics, right? [00:06:56] NC: These are things that would matter in the performance. There are things they need to do in the rehearsal. They have jobs in the rehearsal as well, right? [00:07:03] AT: Sure. I think one of the things that I’m always surprised is that not very many conductors are great at addressing and fixing problems efficiently and it always seems to stun me when somebody is good at that stuff. It really seems remarkable. It seems sort of basic. [00:07:24] NC: Right. I mean, deciding when to start and stop in rehearsal as well and what to say and how to say it. [00:07:30] AT: Yeah, and who to say it to. [00:07:32] NC: Yeah. [00:07:33] AT: It’s a big one. [00:07:33] NC: I have a feeling we’ll get to some details in the next section. [00:07:38] AT: Yeah. It’s a big deal. This stuff sounds like it should just be sort of standard, but surprisingly not. [00:07:43] NC: Anything else you’ve taken down there in some notes? [00:07:46] AT: I think for us, we always love when a conductor – First of all, of course they have to really love the music. That sounds basic, again, but it somehow doesn’t feel like a given in actual practice. They have to love it to the point where everything that they’re saying to you and doing physically is in the service of the music and not for any other reason. It sounds – This is going to sound petty or not very nice to say, but there’s a certain amount of vanity I think that can go with conductors, conducting. I think it’s a little bit on display. Even the great ones, everybody has that vanity. It’s not really a natural thing to want to stand in front of a bunch of people and tell them what to do in a very exposed way. I think that kind of personality who’s attracted to that, of course, there’s a certain amount of vanity to that. But I think that great conductors, ultimately, what they do seems just very much about the music and you feel like you’re being drawn into a collaboration to present this music in the way that they choose. But you don’t feel like your will is being bent to theirs. Again, this sounds basic, but who wants their will bent to somebody and then present it as art? But it does sometimes feel that way. There can be a little bit of a struggle. [00:09:08] NC: Well, I mean you said something that I think is important. I mean, to play the music, for the orchestra to play the music as the conductor sees it or understands it, I mean, is it – it’s pretty necessary I think in the best performances that the orchestra pulls together. I mean, there has to be a common vision and that pretty much has to come from the podium. I mean, in rare circumstances you can get a hundred people going in the same direction without that one unifying force, but then you’ve got to be playing music that everyone’s familiar with and there has to be a shared tradition or understanding among those hundred people on stage. Otherwise, it’s going to come from that person who’s up there. [00:09:54] AT: You hear about I’ve never played obviously in Berlin or Vienna, like a place where people really have trained in a very similar way, in similar schools, same schools. The part of the beauty of an ensemble like that is that there’s a certain uniformity that’s expected and has been trained into these people, and that’s an incredible thing. I think it’s one huge advantage that orchestras like that have, because you’re just going to hear something extraordinary that you wouldn’t really get where some orchestras, it’s like the beauty is actually that everybody brings a different strength to the table when that’s all brought together in a right way. The energy is really incredible, and that’s a different thing. [00:10:43] NC: Yeah. The downside is no women in the orchestra, right? [00:10:48] AT: Seen a few. In Vienna, yeah. In Berlin, it’s like normal there. [00:10:52] NC: Yeah. Berlin is always been a bit more cosmopolitan, I guess. [00:10:57] AT: I guess there are several reasons I won’t be a member of the Berlin Phil anytime soon or ever. But I think I come back to this theme a lot. Probably it’s going to sound a little shopworn, but I have this thing about conductors and how their rehearsal time should be spent, and it bugs me when a conductor rehearses gets very hung up on something like an ensemble issue and they just keep rehashing and rehashing it and like realizing, “This has to be together. Let’s play this together.” To me that is one of the least effective comments that a conductor can make, but they’re really supposed to be doing is training everybody’s focus and facilitating everybody’s connections. Not just with a conductor, but with each other. So that the hypothetical conductors so good at getting everybody to play a passage and to listen to each other, because this person is not just drawing attention to themselves and saying, “Look at me.” They’re drawing attention to the music, and I think that’s a much more important thing to do. I think if you’re just telling people to play together, it’s a very vague and not particularly lofty goal. I think it’s not as effective as just getting in the general mindset of playing together. [00:12:22] NC: Yeah. I mean, it sounds like we’re definitely now into the portion of things where we’re talking about what ineffective ways that conductors can run things. Yeah. That’s the good stuff. [00:12:33] AT: Sorry. I couldn’t — the allure of complaining was too strong. [00:12:38] NC: No. I think, again, I mean you’ve really hit on it. I mean, playing together is a great thing, but when that is your focus, you get tunnel vision, right? You can lose sight of why it needs to be together. [00:12:52] AT: I mean, it’s not really achievable on an individual basis. [00:12:59] NC: That’s true. Yeah. How am I personally supposed to – [00:13:01] AT: That’s the other thing, it’s like you’re telling individuals to play together and it’s like – It’s as if we’re just like kind of swimming along in like a school of fish and it’s like we’ll swim parallel to that person with our fish from the other side of the school and we’re like, “I don’t know what that fish is doing. They’re all the way over there.” [00:13:22] NC: True. [00:13:23] AT: We need a current. [00:13:24] NC: I mean, if everybody is swimming towards something. [00:13:27] AT: Yeah, if the current is guiding us and like – That’s when we need a current. We don’t need instructions. [00:13:34] NC: Yeah, very true. At the very least, I mean, if there are two individuals, let’s say, two solo lines that aren’t together, then it’s possible if those two people know each other very well and they simply weren’t aware that their lines were supposed to be together, then sure, maybe you could say, “Okay. The two of you need to be together there,” and maybe that would work. [00:13:56] AT: I would respect that. That would be an effective way that you say, “You need to play faster, or this needs to be slower, or this –” That works. [00:14:05] NC: Yeah. Then that’s – I don’t know if some people would be surprised to hear that, that actually that would be effective and perhaps better respected for a conductor to say, “Actually, you need to play faster. You need to play slower,” if they’re right about it. [00:14:23] AT: That is one of the things we like. Yeah. Because then you’re not wasting – And this gets to one of the things we hate. We hate wasting of time. [00:14:30] NC: Sure. [00:14:31] AT: Maybe that sounds like something uniquely American, because we have these rules of rehearsal time, and breaks, and blah-blah. [00:14:40] NC: You got to be efficient. [00:14:41] AT: Yeah, basically. But I mean, I think the great ones really are efficient. I mean, not that they don’t need a lot of rehearsal time, but they don’t waste time on things that can be done more quickly. [00:14:53] NC: Do you have other examples you’ve thought off of ways to waste time? Then maybe we could also pair those with – [00:15:01] AT: Well, first of all – Okay. Sorry. The number one thing I think we notice sometimes that…

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    037: Orchestra Players Anonymous Feb 11, 2020
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    Twelve-step programs have helped millions of people, including some of our colleagues. But their constant references to a “higher power” rub some people the wrong way. As orchestral musicians, we only know one “higher power”: the conductor, who rules every aspect of our musical lives! Here are some slightly rewritten twelve steps toward embracing musical anonymity in the orchestra of your choice. The Twelve Orchestral Steps Admit you are powerless over your musical decisions and life has become unmanageable. Surrender those decisions to a higher power to reclaim musical sanity. Turn your musical life over to that higher power (the conductor). Make a searching and fearless inventory of your audition self. Admit the nature of your wrongs to yourself and a practice buddy. Be ready to have the conductor remove your defects of character. Actually ask the conductor to humbly remove those defects. Make a list of colleagues you have musically harmed, and seek to make amends. Make direct amends to these colleagues, especially if you must sit near them. Continue taking inventory and promptly admit wrong accidentals. Through meditation and score study, improve conscious contact with the conductor. After your musical awakening, carry this message to other musicians in the orchestra. Quotes “If you join an orchestra, you’re just a shareholder, but you’re still receiving dividends.” — Akiko Tarumoto [0:08:47] “Getting a job is truth time.” — Akiko Tarumoto [0:11:12] “There is that hope that joining this group, it’s like there’s a power greater than yourself. There’s power in experience.” — @natesviolin [0:17:57] “It’s okay to be wrong a lot as long you admit it.” — @natesviolin [0:24:20] “You could follow these steps and actually be a great orchestral player.” — @natesviolin [0:27:46] “There’s just no way around the anonymity being an orchestral player, but there are positive things about being in an orchestra nevertheless.” — Akiko Tarumoto [0:27:52] Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode: Colburn Sir Laurence Olivier LA Phil Chris Still Transcript EPISODE 37 [INTRODUCTION] [00:00:00] NC: Hello and welcome back to Stand Partners for Life. This is Orchestra Players Anonymous. I’m Nathan Cole. [00:00:08] AT: We’re supposed to be anonymous. [00:00:10] NC: Oh! I already broke the rule. All right. [INTERVIEW] [00:00:27] NC: Well, I have to figure you already know who we are. That’s Akiko Tarumoto over there. Welcome back. If you haven’t seen the website in a little while, head on over to standpartnersforlife.com. We got a bit of a new look and as it befits the new year, 2020 episodes of Stand Partners for Life. There you can make sure you’re subscribed on iTunes, on Google Podcasts, however you get your podcasts. Today we are talking about the anonymous nature of orchestra playing, and this actually came up recently. I teach the violin orchestral rep class at Colburn now, and I got a really good question just today actually. [00:01:10] AT: What was that question? [00:01:13] NC: That’s for that prompt. They asked, they said, “Well, we have a friend,” who that’s always kind of a tipoff, but they said, “We have a friend who says that he would never play in orchestra because you would lose your artistic identity. You’d become anonymous.” First of all, I love how you can’t really talk about orchestra. It’s kind of like how kids learn about the birds and the bees on the playground. It’s like playground wisdom. [00:01:43] AT: You can’t talk about – [00:01:44] NC: Well, I just feel like there’s not a constant dialogue about orchestra playing. You have to kind of ask in secret like, “I have a friend who says this is how it works.” [00:01:53] AT: Right. Well, sure. I mean, we all know why that is. It’s like the vast majority of working musicians, working – Not pianists obviously, but that were out there and orchestra is not being soloists or chamber musicians necessarily, right? [00:02:12] NC: When you’re in school, the ideal is not to play in an orchestra. [00:02:16] AT: Right. It’s like a weird version of your expectations and your training or something. You’re supposed to want to do something not anonymous and “better.” [00:02:27] NC: Right. Well, that’s what we’re going to talk about. But I will say the folks in my class at Colburn, I love the attitude and they’re asking because they really want to know. I honestly do believe they have a friend who said this. They asked and I told them when they said, “Is it true that when you join the orchestra you can become anonymous?” I said, “Absolutely.” I mean, if you just join the orchestra and that’s all the playing you do, you will very quickly lose the ability to – [00:02:59] AT: Even if it’s not the only playing you do. It is tough to bust out of that rut. [00:03:04] NC: Yeah. We thought that we would call this episode Orchestra Players Anonymous, and obviously we’re having a little fun with the 12-step programs, AA, and we should say that we’ve had friends and colleagues who have struggled with addiction and found these programs very helpful. So, while not at all demeaning these particular programs. I think we’re drawn to the fact that, that concept, they talk about this higher power and an orchestra that are really going to be one higher power. [00:03:43] AT: Who’s that? [00:03:44] NC: Who’s the higher power? [00:03:47] AT: Prompting you. [00:03:49] NC: You’re really playing along today. Obviously, the conductor who rules our lives in orchestra. Before I took my first job in orchestra, I did have a friend who I’d play a lot of chamber music with and they said, “How can you do this? How can you join an orchestra?” They actually used the word anonymous, and they said, “You’re going to become anonymous. You’re going to lose every part of you that’s you. You’re going to lose all your musical decision making.” [00:04:16] AT: That’s interesting. I never thought about that. Maybe I should have. [00:04:19] NC: You never got the warning? [00:04:21] AT: No. I’m sure it’s because of people I interacted with thought this is probably the best I could do. Probably like, “We’re not going to warn her. We’ll tell her this is really – She can’t really aspire if she’s really lucky.” [00:04:33] NC: It’s best that you remain anonymous. [00:04:37] AT: Yeah. You were going to be lucky to remain anonymous, lady. [00:04:41] NC: I did get that warning and I really – Everything in me cried out against that. I was like, “I will not. You’ll see.” Sometime in that very first season, and this is was in the same Paul Chamber Orchestra. So not even a giant machine, but a chamber orchestra and I still felt, “Who am I? What am I doing? Do I still sound like Nathan when I play or is the transformation complete?” [00:05:04] AT: It’s possible that my style of playing, like it’s always been so bland or something that like maybe people thought that sound belongs in an orchestra. [00:05:16] NC: You mean like how certain people’s voices kind of sound like newscasters? [00:05:20] AT: Yeah, like you’re not going to be Laurence Olivier. You’re going to be like the weather guy. [00:05:26] NC: So, it just fits. [00:05:27] AT: Maybe that’s what they heard me and they were like, “Okay, weather guy.” [00:05:30] NC: Okay. I can say I’ve heard you play on the very recent side and nothing generic about you. [00:05:37] AT: Yeah. I think I have a good sense of how things are “supposed to sound”. Whatever that’s good for, I think orchestra probably – It’s good for orchestra. [00:05:49] NC: But you could easily see how it could happen, right? How somebody – [00:05:53] AT: Well, has happened obviously, right? [00:05:56] NC: Yeah. I mean, that’s why people warn and that’s why there are the rumors, school yard rumors about – [00:06:01] AT: Yeah. I don’t think it’s like so much you’re going to lose how you play. I think you’re going to lose recognition. That’s certainly a huge deal. You’re going to start being comfortable being anonymous and you’re not going to want to seek the recognition, but your ego will still kind of wonder what happened. There’s some of that. [00:06:18] NC: Right. For the purpose of this episode, as we rewrite the 12 steps, I think we’ve got to put ourselves in the shoes of someone who – Let’s say we have to imagine we’re someone that welcomes that. They want to become anonymous. They want to just blend in, fit in and not have to make any musical decisions anymore. We’re going to have to pretend that we’re – [00:06:44] AT: Wait. This isn’t a very good advertisement for joining an orchestra, but sure. [00:06:48] NC: I mean, I think we can – We have always resisted this even so in some of our darker moments. I think we might crave or embrace the anonymous aspect. But I think in this episode we’re going to pretend that we’re one of those folks that just wants to become anonymous forever. [00:07:09] AT: Okay. [00:07:10] NC: Yeah. These would be the 12 steps to do it. [00:07:13] AT: Okay. I’ll play along. [00:07:14] NC: Yeah. The 12 steps of Orchestra Players Anonymous, and the first one is we admitted we are powerless over our musical decisions and that our musical lives had become unmanageable, right? That’s the first step. I’ve rewritten it and – [00:07:32] AT: Yeah. [00:07:33] NC: Well, because just imagine. I mean, we were saying, you’re playing in string quartets. You’re playing in smaller groups and you’re constantly having conflict with other people and they’re telling you that you don’t phrase clearly and need to play more here. [00:07:51] AT: Right, and you were sort of burdened with these decisions that you had to contribute. [00:07:55] NC: Right. Because you’ve got to argue against that or you’ve got to say, “No. I disagree,” or, “No. I like to play it shorter and here’s why.” Maybe you just get tired of that. It’s become unmanageable. [00:08:07] AT: From what I see, it doesn’t seem like people get tired up. Sure. [00:08:10] NC: Certainly, some people might. If that happened and all that stress became unmanageable, then you would admit that you’re powerless over all these musical decisions that you have to make. [00:08:21] AT: Right. [00:08:22] NC: All right. Well, that’s step one. If you’re going to assume this character, then you would have to admit that. [00:08:30] AT: Okay. All right. [00:08:31] NC: Step two is we came to believe that a power greater than ourselves could restore us to musical sanity. [00:08:40] AT: Yeah. I think I got there. [00:08:41] NC: Was that power greater than yourself, a conductor? [00:08:45] AT: I think it was just like the idea that if you join an orchestra, you can – Sort of like you’re just a shareholder, but you’re still receiving dividends. [00:08:55] NC: Okay. It’s more like the power greater than yourself is the orchestra, the collective. [00:08:59] AT: Yeah. [00:09:00] NC: Okay. [00:09:01] AT: I like that idea. I think when I was looking around for what I was going to do with my life, it’s not going to be all the pressure won’t be on me and all the glory won’t be mine either, but it will be sort of a fair trade. [00:09:15] NC: Okay, because it’s about to get more personal, more singular in the next rule. I’m not sure that higher power can still be the whole orchestra. We made a decision to turn our will and our musical lives over to the care of – In the original rule, it’s God, as we understood him. I think it’s pretty clear it’s a single – I think all signs are pointing to a conductor. [00:09:42] AT: I still think you can apply it to the orchestra, the blob. The entity [00:09:50] NC: In any case, you have to make a decision to turn your musical will and life over to that higher power as you understand it, or him, and most conductors at this point are him, although we do see more and more female conductors at the L.A. Phil. [00:10:08] AT: I get in trouble. [00:10:10] NC: Get in trouble for saying that we see more female conductors? [00:10:13] AT: No. For saying that mostly they’re male. [00:10:16] NC: No. I mean, they have been overwhelmingly male. I mean, most people think it’s kind of funny that these original rules always talk about a him anyway. [00:10:25] AT: True. [00:10:26] NC: This is interesting, because step four made us searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves. Would you call that part of the audition process really? Because I feel like you kind of have to do that when you’re auditioning. [00:10:41] AT: Yeah. [00:10:41] NC: Searching id fearless moral inventory. I mean, that’s pretty much – [00:10:45] AT: Yeah, it describes an audition. [00:10:47] NC: Because you’ve talked about many times how you really have to come to terms with what your strengths and weaknesses are. [00:10:53] AT: Yeah, not in a depressing way though. I think that you – It’s like a chance to show off your side. But for the purposes of this, sure. It’s also daily taking inventory of how things are going. [00:11:05] NC: Yeah. Because I think overall this is supposed to be depressing either. I mean, it’s truth time. [00:11:10] AT: Yeah. I mean, sure. I mean, getting a job is truth time. [00:11:15] NC: Let’s say you’re looking at your weaknesses. I mean, what does that mean in terms of the audition? [00:11:20] AT: Yeah. You really are trying to disguise them. I’m not sure that works for this particular analogy. It doesn’t work, because the thing you’re not supposed to do in the 12-step programming is hide. That’s the basis of insecurities, is sort of things that you feel that you’re scrolling away from light of day. [00:11:41] NC: Could you really hide who you are as a player? [00:11:46] AT: Yes. We’ve seen it. No names. We’ve seen it. It’s anonymous. [00:11:53] NC: It’s true. [00:11:57] AT: Maybe we should do an orchestra auditions anonymous. [00:12:01] NC: This is really more of a whole life, whole musical life type process. But, on, that also would be – You say you can hide it. [00:12:10] AT: In an audition? Yeah. [00:12:13] NC: Okay. [00:12:15] AT: You’re not refusing to play things. Obviously, that doesn’t work, but you can really look out not having ugly little secrets not be unearthed. [00:12:25] NC: But in any case, you would have to do that inventory, the moral inventory, in order to know what things you’d even want to hide. [00:12:33] AT: Well, no not really, because the audition, it’s not up to you what they’re going to ask. Some ways, yeah, you’re facing, like they could ask anything. You’re not willfully hiding it. Sure. [00:12:44] NC: I mean, for you to do your best, you should know what your strengths and weaknesses are. [00:12:50] AT: Yes. Yeah, because as we’ve gone over this, the choices that you have in an audition, such as choosing your repertoire, even like your tempos and your dynamics that you’re capable of doing. If you’re savvy about it, sure, you can sort of draw people’s attention to your strength and hopefully away from your weakness. But I mean, there are certain weaknesses that once they get exposed, it’s like you’re out. [00:13:20] NC: Yeah. There are some strategery as they say. [00:13:24] AT: Yeah, for sure. [00:13:26] NC: All right. Step five, next step, is admitted to, well, this higher power. Admitted to higher power to ourselves and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs. Well, this is the concept of the accountability partner, really. It could be like your audition buddy, your practice partner, your practice buddy with whom you hide nothing. [00:13:56] AT: I mean, for me, that’s really you. [00:13:59] NC: Okay. [00:14:00] AT: Is that helpful? Sure. I’m not sure everybody has that. It’s really helpful to have you as that person. [00:14:09] NC: We’re lucky in that way because we’ve been there for each other for so many years and we do share this musical life. It was interesting hearing our friend, our colleague, Chris Still talk about this, and he has his website, if you haven’t seen it, honestypill.com. He works a lot with audition prep and he was telling me his story once about how he really had an audition partner or even m…

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