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    SpyCast

    SpyCast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum, is a journey into the shadows of international espionage. Each week, host Sasha Ingber brings you the latest insights and intriguing tales from spies, secret agents, and covert communicators, with a focus on how this secret world reaches us all in our everyday lives. Tune in to discover the critical role intelligence has played throughout history and today. Brought to you from Airwave, Goat Rodeo, and the International Spy Museum. 

    The Spy Museum does not endorse, approve, or support the opinions stated by guest speakers. Statements made by speakers do not represent the position or opinion of the International Spy Museum.

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    "Trafficking Data: The Digital Struggle – with China" with Aynne Kokas Nov 15, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Aynne Kokas (LinkedIn; Twitter) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss her book "Trafficking Data: How China is Winning the Battle for Digital Sovereignty."


    “Nazis on the Potomac” – with former National Park Service Chief Historian Bob Sutton Nov 08, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Bob Sutton (LinkedIn; Twitter) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss the mysterious intelligence site P.O. Box 1142. High-value Nazis were interrogated here during WWII.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The interrogation of top Nazis for intelligence
    • The analysis of literally tons of captured German documents
    • Refining ways to escape and evade Nazis in German occupied Europe
    • The importance of intelligence on the German Army’s Order of Battle

    Reflections

    • The National Park Service & History
    • Politicizing Interpretation

    And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    This week’s guest is the former Chief Historian of the National Park Service, Bob Sutton, and what a wonderful conversation we had.

    His book, Nazis on the Potomac: The Top-Secret Intelligence Operation that Helped Win WWII, tells the story of military intelligence facility P.O. Box 1142 – present day Fort Hunt, around 15 miles south of Washington DC.It was here, between 1942-1945, that around three and a half thousand high level German prisoners were interrogated, captured documents analyzed, and ways to help Americans escape and evade Nazis in occupied Europe studied.

    This story is particularly incredible, because many of the interrogators were German born Jews.

    This story was almost lost to history, but thankfully because of the NPS and Bob Sutton, it never will be.

    [Conflict of interest disclosure, Andrew has an “America the Beautiful” Annual Pass].

    And…

    John W. Kluge arrived in the United States from Germany not speaking a word of English in 1922. He was 8 years old. He would go on to be the head of the Military Intelligence Research Section (MIRS) at P.O. Box 1142. After the war, he would go on to become the richest man in the United States. He was so appreciative of America, that he provided funds to Columbia University and The Library Congress to provide opportunities to future students and scholars. Andrew is a former John W. Kluge Fellow at the Library of Congress and therefore a direct recipient of his philanthropy for which he is grateful.


    Quote of the Week

    "Doing what we did at Fort Hunt is actually fairly unusual, where we didn't know the story. We were able to locate people, we were able to get money, we could actually interview everybody that we found…That's relatively unusual." – Bob Sutton


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    • *Andrew’s Recommendation*
    • Oral History Interview with John W. Kluge, NPS
    • Some fascinating budgets on how his time in intelligence informed his business practices
    • *Featured Resource*
    • Nazis on the Potomac: The Top-Secret Intelligence Operation that Helped Win WWII, B. Sutton (Casemate, 2022)
    • *Beginner Resources*
    • POWs and Intel at Fort Hunt in WWII, NPS (n.d.) [web article]
    • P.O. Box 1142, Top Secret Heroes, YouTube [3 min video]
    • History Series (GS-0170) Federal Jobs, [career article]


    DEEPER DIVE

    • *SpyCasts*
    • “The Beverley Hills Spy” – with Seth Abramovich (2022)
    • Books
    • Richie Boy Secrets, B. Eddy (Stackpole, 2021)
    • Escape and Evasion, P. Froom (Schiffer, 2015)
    • The History of Camp Tracy, A. Corbin (Zeidon, 2009)
    • Articles
    • P.O. Box 1142, The Mysterious WWII Installation, SOF (2022)
    • MIS-X: Escape and Evasion in WWII, N. Nix, Patch (2011)
    • Moving Image
    • Fort Hunt Up to WWII, R. Sutton, C-SPAN (2022)
    • Richie Boys, 60 Minutes (2022)
    • The New Americans: The Immigrants who Served, U.S. Holocaust Museum (2020)
    • Primary Sources
    • “Red Book”: Order of Battle of the German Army (1945)
    • Oral Sources
    • Oral History Interview with Rudolph Pins (2006)
    • Oral History Interview with Silvio Bedini (2007)
    • Oral History Interview with Paul Fairbrook (2008)
    • Oral History Collections
    • Fort Hunt Oral History Project, P.O. Box 1142
    • *Wildcard Resource*
    • H. Res. 753
    • A Resolution on P.O. Box 1142 from the 110th Congress
    • “Whereas” is utilized to great effect to tell the story with great aplomb!

    “Baseball & Espionage” –with World Series Champion Ryan Zimmerman & Marc Polymeropoulos (Part 2 of 2) Nov 01, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Ryan Zimmerman (MLB Stats; Wikipedia) and Marc Polymeropoulos (Twitter; LinkedIn) join Andrew to discuss intelligence and America’s pastime. From the SpyCast Field of Dreams.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • Sign-stealing and codebreaking
    • Glue guys and teamwork
    • Ethics in baseball and espionage
    • Clutch and pinch hitters in espionage and baseball

    Reflections

    • Daring to fail
    • Stepping up to the plate of life

    And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    Buy me some peanuts and crackerjack. Few things in the world compare to sitting back, putting your feet up, and cracking open a cold one while watching the World Series.

    For the 2021 World Series Marc joined us for a fantastic discussion on the links between baseball and espionage. How do we top that? A baseball fanatic ex-CIA officer?

    Why, how about getting a first-round draft pick, World Series Champion with over 6500 at-bats? Done! Enter Ryan Zimmerman, Mr. National!

    Ever wondered about signs-stealing, how to run a baseball counterintelligence operation, or what some of the many, many links are between baseball and espionage? You’ve come to the right place for a discussion that goes to the bottom of the ninth inning over a two-episode conversation.

    Ryan played for the Nationals from 2005, when he was a first-round draft pick, through to 2021, when his #11 jersey was retired. He is an ex- All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove winner, and 2019 World Series Champion.

    Marc is a highly decorated former CIA operations officer who specialized in counterterrorism, the Middle East, and South Asia. Prior to his retirement, he served at CIA headquarters in charge of clandestine operations in Europe and Eurasia. He is the author of the 2021 book, “Clarity in Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the CIA.”

    And…

    “Big Data” is upending many fields, not least baseball and espionage. Gaining a competitive edge is central to both activities, the big argument is about how much “soul” is lost along the way. The Houston Astros have been a lighting-rod team, whose “smart and modern” or “cold and cynical” approach has been discussed at Penn's Wharton School of Business and in the pages of the Harvard Business Review.


    Quotes of the Week

    "I think “Dare to Fail” is enormous. I would want you to put me up at the bases load in the bottom of the ninth. I'll take it every single time. Even if I feel like I have zero chance, I want to be there." - Ryan Zimmerman

    "You know, you have to have that mentality in these professions." - Marc Polymeropoulos


    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • Moneyball, M. Lewis (W.W. Norton, 2004)
    • Love it or hate it, this is the first port of call for any reckoning of baseball and analytics.

    *SpyCasts*

    • “Baseball & Espionage” – with Marc Polymeropoulos (2021)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • Spy Agencies Struggling in Age of Big Data, A. Zegart, Wired (2022) [article]
    • Baseball Analytics for the Casual Fan, Simple Sabermetrics (2020) [7 min video]
    • Beginners Guide to Baseball Analytics, N. Allen, Fansided (2018) [article]
    • Best Baseball Analytics Resources, Simple Sabermetrics (2022)

    Books

    • Spies, Lies and Algorithms, A. Zegart (PUP, 2022)
    • The Catcher Was a Spy: Moe Berg, N. Dawidoff (Pantheon, 1994)

    Articles

    • Baseball and Cybersecurity, S. Handler, Atlantic Council (2020)
    • Baseball’s Rude Welcome to Age of Cyberespionage, N. Paine, 538 (2015)
    • The Man Who Remade Basketball, M. McCluskey, Wired (2014)
    • Baseball on Exhibit: Musuems in the SABR Era, Z. Jendro, SABR (2011)

    Video

    • Lessons from the CIA’s Analytic Front-Lines, B. Pease, JHU (2022)
    • Sabermetrics 101: Baseball Analytics, A. Andres, Talks at Google (2016)
    • CIA’s Chief Information Officer - Advanced Analytics, D. Wolfe, O’Reilly (2015)

    Primary Sources

    • The PC Goes to Bat (1984)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • Get “Analytics Certification” from the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) - which is where the term “sabermetrics” comes from!

    “Baseball & Espionage” –with World Series Champion Ryan Zimmerman & Marc Polymeropoulos (Part 1 of 2) Oct 25, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Ryan Zimmerman (MLB Stats; Wikipedia) and Marc Polymeropoulos (Twitter; LinkedIn) join Andrew to discuss intelligence and America’s pastime. From the SpyCast Field of Dreams.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • Sign-stealing and codebreaking
    • Glue guys and teamwork
    • Ethics in baseball and espionage
    • Clutch and pinch hitters in espionage and baseball

    Reflections

    • Daring to fail
    • Stepping up to the plate of life

    And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    Buy me some peanuts and crackerjack. Few things in the world compare to sitting back, putting your feet up, and cracking open a cold one while watching the World Series.

    For the 2021 World Series Marc joined us for a fantastic discussion on the links between baseball and espionage. How do we top that? A baseball fanatic ex-CIA officer?

    Why, how about getting a first-round draft pick, World Series Champion with over 6500 at-bats? Done! Enter Ryan Zimmerman, Mr. National!

    Ever wondered about signs-stealing, how to run a baseball counterintelligence operation, or what some of the many, many links are between baseball and espionage? You’ve come to the right place for a discussion that goes to the bottom of the ninth inning over a two-episode conversation.

    Ryan played for the Nationals from 2005, when he was a first-round draft pick, through to 2021, when his #11 jersey was retired. He is an ex- All-Star, Silver Slugger, Gold Glove winner, and 2019 World Series Champion.

    Marc is a highly decorated former CIA operations officer who specialized in counterterrorism, the Middle East, and South Asia. Prior to his retirement, he served at CIA headquarters in charge of clandestine operations in Europe and Eurasia. He is the author of the 2021 book, “Clarity in Crisis: Leadership Lessons from the CIA.”

    And…

    “Big Data” is upending many fields, not least baseball and espionage. Gaining a competitive edge is central to both activities, the big argument is about how much “soul” is lost along the way. The Houston Astros have been a lighting-rod team, whose “smart and modern” or “cold and cynical” approach has been discussed at Penn's Wharton School of Business and in the pages of the Harvard Business Review.


    Quotes of the Week

    "I think “Dare to Fail” is enormous. I would want you to put me up at the bases load in the bottom of the ninth. I'll take it every single time. Even if I feel like I have zero chance, I want to be there." - Ryan Zimmerman

    "You know, you have to have that mentality in these professions." - Marc Polymeropoulos


    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • Moneyball, M. Lewis (W.W. Norton, 2004)
    • Love it or hate it, this is the first port of call for any reckoning of baseball and analytics.

    *SpyCasts*

    • “Baseball & Espionage” – with Marc Polymeropoulos (2021)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • Spy Agencies Struggling in Age of Big Data, A. Zegart, Wired (2022) [article]
    • Baseball Analytics for the Casual Fan, Simple Sabermetrics (2020) [7 min video]
    • Beginners Guide to Baseball Analytics, N. Allen, Fansided (2018) [article]
    • Best Baseball Analytics Resources, Simple Sabermetrics (2022)

    Books

    • Spies, Lies and Algorithms, A. Zegart (PUP, 2022)
    • The Catcher Was a Spy: Moe Berg, N. Dawidoff (Pantheon, 1994)

    Articles

    • Baseball and Cybersecurity, S. Handler, Atlantic Council (2020)
    • Baseball’s Rude Welcome to Age of Cyberespionage, N. Paine, 538 (2015)
    • The Man Who Remade Basketball, M. McCluskey, Wired (2014)
    • Baseball on Exhibit: Musuems in the SABR Era, Z. Jendro, SABR (2011)

    Video

    • Lessons from the CIA’s Analytic Front-Lines, B. Pease, JHU (2022)
    • Sabermetrics 101: Baseball Analytics, A. Andres, Talks at Google (2016)
    • CIA’s Chief Information Officer - Advanced Analytics, D. Wolfe, O’Reilly (2015)

    Primary Sources

    • The PC Goes to Bat (1984)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • Get “Analytics Certification” from the Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) - which is where the term “sabermetrics” comes from!

    From the Vault: “On the Streets, Location Unknown” - CIA Operator Karen Schaefer (Part I) Oct 18, 2022
    Show notes

    Andrew Hammond shares an encore episode From the Vault. From counternarcotics to counterterrorism, from Latin America to the Middle East, and from the back streets of a warzone to the center of events in Washington DC – Karen Schaefer has had, how should we say, an “eventful” career as an intelligence officer. Charming, smart, thoughtful, and you haven’t even met Karen yet…but seriously, it was a pleasure to talk to this week’s guest who had all of those qualities, and more; so enjoyable it will be released as a double-header. This week, Part I focuses on her time as an operator; while Part II focuses on her time as a “serial collaborator” who worked with Special Operations, the FBI, and the NSC. Stay tuned…


    “Sure, I Can Hack Your Organization” – with Eric Escobar (Part 2 of 2) Oct 11, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Eric Escobar (Twitter; LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss compromising networks and information security. He has a coveted DEFCON Black Badge.

    What You’ll Learn

    • Intelligence
    • What keeps Eric up at night
    • Thinking like an ethical hacker (aka a “penetration tester)
    • Protecting your information (i.e., “Hardening the attack surface”)
    • Plain English explanations of key cyber concepts like “Kill Chains” and “Zero Days”
    • Reflections
    • Having a cool job
    • The information revolution and life in the modern world
    • And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    Eric Escobar commits several thousand felonies on any given day, if he didn’t have permission to do what he was doing.

    A Principal Security Consultant with SecureWorks, Eric has compromised pretty much everything out there: from healthcare and banking to technology and critical infrastructure, through to amusement parks and next generation military aircraft.

    “From my perspective, it’s the coolest job in the entire world.”

    His team consecutively won first place in the Wireless CTF category at DEF CON 23, 24, and 25, snagging a Black Badge along the way. He has a BS and MS in Civil Engineering.

    And…

    The links between computing, hacking and the 60’s counterculture are FASCINATING. Learn more by dipping your toes here and here, or dive deeper with What the Dormouse Said (2005) by John Markoff and From Counterculture to Cyberculture (2006) by Fred Turner.

    Quote of the Week

    "Watching any critical infrastructure get compromised is really the thing that keeps me up at night because lives are in the balance…and we do a lot of testing for critical infrastructure, and I've seen computers and machines that have been online and not been taken offline, longer than I've been alive…So really interesting to see those types of things because they interact with really big, expensive hardware…there's a catch 22 that happens where you can't really take the machine offline to do maintenance on it because it's critical infrastructure. So then how do you test it to make sure that a hacker can't take it offline, or maintenance can't be done on it? " – Eric Escobar.

    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • Word Notes
    • From beginner thru advanced, you’ll find some helpful definitions of things like “Web 3.0,” “NFT’s” and “Digital Transformation” on this Cyberwire audio glossary.

    *SpyCasts*

    • Inside Microsoft’s Threat Intelligence Center (MSTIC) – with John Lambert and Cristin Goodwin (2021)
    • The Cyber Zeitgeist – with Dave Bittner (2021)
    • Securing Cyberspace – with Charlie Mitchell (2016)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • What is Hacking? The Economic Times (n.d.) [web]
    • Ethical Hacking in 8 Minutes, Simplilearn (2020) [8 min video]
    • Cybersecurity in 7 minutes, Simplilearn (2020) [7 min video]

    Books

    • The Cyberweapons Arms Race, N. Perloth (Bloomsbury, 2021)
    • Cult of the Dead Cow, J. Menn (PublicAffairs, 2020)
    • Breaking & Entering, J. Smith (Mariner Books, 2019)
    • The Art of Invisibility, K. Mitnick (L, B & C, 2017)
    • Ghost in the Wires, K. Mitnick (Back Bay Books, 2012)
    • Kingpin, K. Poulson (Crown, 2012)
    • The Cuckoo’s Egg, C. Stoll (Doubleday, 1989)
    • Neuromancer, W. Gibson (Ace, 1984)

    Articles

    • 2022 State of the Threat: A Year in Review, Secureworks (2022)
    • The Anthropology of Hackers, The Atlantic (2010)
    • Timeline Since 2006: Significant Cyber Incidents, CSIS (n.d.)

    Documentary

    • DEFCON, The Documentary Network (2013)

    Resources

    • Government Hacking Bibliography, S. Quinlan, New America Foundation (2016)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • “The Aurora Shard”
    • Come to the International Spy Museum to see an ugly chunk of metal. Why? Well, it speaks to a revolution in the relationship between the material world and the non-material world. Broken down? 30 lines of code blew up a 27-ton generator. Zeros and ones can cause violent explosions!

    “Sure, I Can Hack Your Organization” – with Eric Escobar (Part 1 of 2) Oct 05, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Eric Escobar (Twitter; LinkedIn) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss compromising networks and information security. He has a coveted DEFCON Black Badge.

    What You’ll Learn

    • Intelligence
    • What keeps Eric up at night
    • Thinking like an ethical hacker (aka a “penetration tester)
    • Protecting your information (i.e., “Hardening the attack surface”)
    • Plain English explanations of key cyber concepts like “Kill Chains” and “Zero Days”
    • Reflections
    • Having a cool job
    • The information revolution and life in the modern world
    • And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    Eric Escobar commits several thousand felonies on any given day, if he didn’t have permission to do what he was doing.

    A Principal Security Consultant with SecureWorks, Eric has compromised pretty much everything out there: from healthcare and banking to technology and critical infrastructure, through to amusement parks and next generation military aircraft.

    “From my perspective, it’s the coolest job in the entire world.”

    His team consecutively won first place in the Wireless CTF category at DEF CON 23, 24, and 25, snagging a Black Badge along the way. He has a BS and MS in Civil Engineering.

    And…

    The links between computing, hacking and the 60’s counterculture are FASCINATING. Learn more by dipping your toes here and here, or dive deeper with What the Dormouse Said (2005) by John Markoff and From Counterculture to Cyberculture (2006) by Fred Turner.

    Quote of the Week

    "Watching any critical infrastructure get compromised is really the thing that keeps me up at night because lives are in the balance…and we do a lot of testing for critical infrastructure, and I've seen computers and machines that have been online and not been taken offline, longer than I've been alive…So really interesting to see those types of things because they interact with really big, expensive hardware…there's a catch 22 that happens where you can't really take the machine offline to do maintenance on it because it's critical infrastructure. So then how do you test it to make sure that a hacker can't take it offline, or maintenance can't be done on it? " – Eric Escobar.

    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • Word Notes
    • From beginner thru advanced, you’ll find some helpful definitions of things like “Web 3.0,” “NFT’s” and “Digital Transformation” on this Cyberwire audio glossary.

    *SpyCasts*

    • Inside Microsoft’s Threat Intelligence Center (MSTIC) – with John Lambert and Cristin Goodwin (2021)
    • The Cyber Zeitgeist – with Dave Bittner (2021)
    • Securing Cyberspace – with Charlie Mitchell (2016)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • What is Hacking? The Economic Times (n.d.) [web]
    • Ethical Hacking in 8 Minutes, Simplilearn (2020) [8 min video]
    • Cybersecurity in 7 minutes, Simplilearn (2020) [7 min video]

    Books

    • The Cyberweapons Arms Race, N. Perloth (Bloomsbury, 2021)
    • Cult of the Dead Cow, J. Menn (PublicAffairs, 2020)
    • Breaking & Entering, J. Smith (Mariner Books, 2019)
    • The Art of Invisibility, K. Mitnick (L, B & C, 2017)
    • Ghost in the Wires, K. Mitnick (Back Bay Books, 2012)
    • Kingpin, K. Poulson (Crown, 2012)
    • The Cuckoo’s Egg, C. Stoll (Doubleday, 1989)
    • Neuromancer, W. Gibson (Ace, 1984)

    Articles

    • 2022 State of the Threat: A Year in Review, Secureworks (2022)
    • The Anthropology of Hackers, The Atlantic (2010)
    • Timeline Since 2006: Significant Cyber Incidents, CSIS (n.d.)

    Documentary

    • DEFCON, The Documentary Network (2013)

    Resources

    • Government Hacking Bibliography, S. Quinlan, New America Foundation (2016)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • “The Aurora Shard”
    • Come to the International Spy Museum to see an ugly chunk of metal. Why? Well, it speaks to a revolution in the relationship between the material world and the non-material world. Broken down? 30 lines of code blew up a 27-ton generator. Zeros and ones can cause violent explosions!

    “The Past 75 Years” – with Historian of the CIA Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones Sep 27, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones (Website; Wikipedia) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss his book. He has studied American intelligence for 50 years.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The CIA and the American presidents they served
    • The founding of the CIA just as America became a global superpower
    • Pearl Harbor, the USSR and covert action under Eisenhower
    • Assassinations, controversy, the Church Committee, and 9/11

    Reflections

    • How much of the future can we predict
    • Intention in history

    And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    This week’s guest, Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones, is Emeritus Professor of American History at the University of Edinburgh. He has been studying American intelligence for half a century and has written a history of the CIA to coincide with its 75th anniversary, entitled: A Question of Standing.

    This episode with Rhodri is a counterpoint to last week’s episode with Robert Gates: a career historian and a career intelligence officer; a European and an American; a 70,000 feet view and a 30,000 feet one. Interestingly, they were born continents apart within almost a year of each other.

    Rhodri is the author of over a dozen books, has a Ph.D. from Cambridge University, and grew up in Harlech, Wales.

    And…

    Harlech, Wales, where Rhodri grew up, has the steepest street in the Northern Hemisphere. The steepest street in the Southern Hemisphere, and the world according to Guinness Records, is in Dunedin, New Zealand (Dunedin is Gaelic for Edinburgh). The steepest street in the continental United States is Canton Avenue in Pittsburgh (to celebrate its Welsh heritage the Steel City has a St. David’s Society). Espionage in Welsh is ysbïo.


    Quote of the Week

    "CIA can't afford to rest on its laurels and continue with systems it has. It has to change all the time." – Rhodri Jeffreys-Jones


    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • “Documents on Origins of CIA,” Truman Library [pdf]

    *SpyCasts*

    • “The 75th Anniversary” – with Robert Gates (2022)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • History of CIA, CIA (n.d.) [web]
    • A Brief History of US-Iran Relations, ABC News (n.d.) [video]
    • CIA Involvement in 1953 Iranian Coup, CNN (n.d.] [video]
    • Iran & Guatemala, 1953-4, NYT (2003) [article]

    Books

    • Covert Action & USFP, L. Johnson (OUP, 2022)
    • A Brief History of the CIA, R. Immerman (Wiley, 2014)
    • The [Dulles] Brothers, S. Kinzer (St. Martin’s, 2014)
    • Mighty Wurlitzer: How CIA Played America, H. Wilford(HUP, 2009)
    • Countercoup: Struggle for Iran, K. Roosevelt (McGraw-Hill, 1979)

    Articles

    • 64 Years Later CIA Releases Details of Iranian Coup, B. Allen-Ebrahimian, FP (2017)

    Video

    • “The Nazi Spy Ring in America,” R. Jeffreys-Jones, SPY (2021)
    • “Secrecy, Democracy & the Birth of the CIA,” H. Wilford, Great Courses (n.d.)

    Photo

    • “The 1953 Iranian Coup,” Radio Free Europe Archives (2013)

    Documentary

    • The Spymasters, Showtime (2015)
    • CIA: Secret Wars, Part 1, Roche (2003)
    • CIA: Secret Wars, Part 2, Roche (2003)

    Curatorial

    • Pocket History of CIA, CIA (2014)

    Primary Sources

    • History Staff Analysis: CIA & Guatemala Assassination Proposals, 1952-4 (1995)
    • Iran 1953: Transcript of Interview with MI6 Officer Norman Darbyshire (1985)
    • DCI Dulles to President Eisenhower (1953)
    • Telegram from CIA to Station in Iran (1953)
    • Telegram from Station in Iran to CIA (1953)
    • Monthly Report, Directorate of Plans, CIA (1953)
    • Memo from Deputy Director for Plans (Wisner) to DCI Dulles (1953)
    • National Security Act (1947)

    Website

    • Intelligence Milestones During Eisenhower Administration, Eisenhower Library (n.d.]

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • Tom Paine (Common Sense, 1776), Alexis de Tocqueville(Democracy in America, 1835) and Mork from Ork (Mork & Mindy, 1978-82) are all outsiders, like Rhodri, looking in. What can each of them tell us about the United States? What can they tell us that people born within an ecosystem can’t?

    “The 75th Anniversary of the CIA” – with former Director Robert Gates Sep 20, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Robert Gates (Website; Website) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to reflect on the 75th Anniversary of the CIA. He served 8 U.S. presidents.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • His reflections on the CIA at 75
    • How the CIA’s story intersected with his own
    • His take on the organization’s strengths and weaknesses
    • The complex intl. environment the CIA must now help America navigate

    Reflections

    • Twists of fate
    • Identity and institutions

    And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    Robert M. Gates is the first career officer in the CIA’s history to rise from entry level employee to Director. He spent 27 years at CIA, nine of those at the NSC. More recently, he was the first Secretary of Defense to be asked to remain in office by a newly elected president. In all, he served 8 presidents.

    Wouldn’t you love to know his take on the CIA at 75? Well, we’ve made that happen for you!

    He was born in Wichita, Kansas, served in the U.S.A.F. and he received his undergraduate education at William & Mary, his masters from Indiana University, and his doctorate from Georgetown University. He was formerly the President of Texas A&M University and the current Chancellor of William & Mary.

    And…

    The academic institutions Dr. Gates has been associated with all have quite different capacities of football stadium: Georgetown University’s Cooper Field can hold 3,750; William & Mary’s Zable Stadium can hold 12,259; Indiana University’s Memorial Stadium can hold 52,626; and Texas A&M’s Kyle Stadium can hold a whopping 102,733. What could we infer about Dr. Gates, college sports, or the United States from this information? Well, that would be thinking like an intelligence analyst.


    Quote of the Week

    "I've led four very big, very different institutions and like all of them I always saw where places where CIA could be better. But I always loved the place, and I always was proud to work there and proud of the people that I knew…they were probably the smartest, most honest people I've ever met and worked with." – Robert Gates.


    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • “Reorganization in the Intel. Community,” DCI Gates (1992)
    • Watch this prescient clip on historical naivete, or if you’re hardcore, the entire congressional testimony

    *SpyCasts*

    • “Dealing with Russia” – with Jim Olson (2022)
    • “I was a Presidential Daily Briefer on 9/11” – with Mike Morell (2021)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • History of CIA, CIA (n.d.) [website]
    • CIA Director’s Portrait Gallery, CIA (n.d.) [online gallery]
    • Impact of President G.H.W. Bush’s Foreign Policy, MSNBC (2018) [13 min. video]
    • At 75, CIA Back Where it Started, Countering Kremlin, G. Myre, NPR (2022) [5 min. audio]

    Books

    • Spymasters: CIA Directors, C. Whipple (S&S, 2020)
    • Duty, R. Gates (Vintage, 2015) [Def. Sec. memoir]
    • A World Transformed, Bush & Scowcroft (Knopf, 1998)
    • From the Shadows, R. Gates (S&S, 1996) [CIA memoir]
    • Power & Principle, Z. Brzezinski (FS&G, 1983) [Gates was Z.B.’s Special Asst. at the NSC during the Carter era]

    Articles

    • A More Realistic Strategy for the Post-Cold War Era, R. Gates, WaPo (2022)
    • Creation of the Central Intelligence Group, M. Warner, SII (1996)

    Video

    • Legacy of the G.H.W.B. Administration, CFR (2016)
    • Book Talk: From the Shadows, R. Gates, C-Span (1996)

    Documentary

    • The Spymasters, Showtime (2015)

    Curatorial

    • Pocket History of CIA, CIA (2014)

    Primary Sources

    • Biden Speech on 75th Anniversary of the CIA (2022)
    • Robert Gates on CIA and Openness (1992)
    • Nomination of Gates to be DCI (1991)
    • Adm. Roscoe, First CIA Director Dies (1982)
    • CIA Review of the World Situation (1947)
    • Lester to Truman re Centralized Intelligence (1947)
    • National Security Act (1947)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • North by Northwest (Hitchcock, 1959)
    • We hear the first explicit mention of “CIA” in a major movie
    • “FBI. CIA. ONI. We’re all in the same alphabet soup.”

    "CIA Reports Officer, Russian Yacht Watcher, Satirist” – with Alex Finley Sep 13, 2022
    Show notes

    Summary

    Alex Finley (Twitter; Website) joins Andrew (Twitter; LinkedIn) to discuss life as a CIA Reports Officer turned author. She lives in Barcelona.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • Her take on CIA analysts vs. case officers
    • Information and disinformation in fact and fiction
    • Ukraine, the 2016 election and the Russian historical playbook
    • The regularity even mundanity of much of daily intelligence life

    Reflections

    • Being an American in Barcelona
    • Viewing your own country from outside the goldfish bowl

    And much, much more…


    Episode Notes

    Alex Finley spent 6 years in the CIA as a Reports Officer - whom she describes as a bridge between the case officers and analysts. She is author of a trilogy of novels on the exploits of fictional CIA officer Victor Caro. Her most recent book, Victor in Trouble, completes the series (…or does it?) by looking at Russian influence operations and the contemporary intelligence landscape through a satirical lens.

    She now lives in Barcelona, Spain - and yes, apparently it’s as awesome as it sounds! – and she is the voice behind #YachtWatch, which tracks and exposes the activities of Russian oligarchs and their superyachts.

    And…

    Satire is often described as fitting into three categories: Horatian, which offers light comedy and social commentary (e.g., Pride & Prejudice, Parks & Rec, The Colbert Report); Juvenalian, a darker and more abrasive take that can often take the form of speaking truth to power (e.g., Animal Farm, American Psycho, South Park) and Menippean, which casts moral judgement on beliefs or generic character flaws (e.g., Alice in Wonderland, The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy, Saturday Night Live). Which one does Alex use?


    Quote of the Week

    "There, there were points where I found myself in the middle of nowhere, West Africa. And there are these moments where…how did I end up here? This makes zero sense. And then there were the bureaucratic Catch-22s." – Alex Finley.


    Resources

    *Andrew’s Recommendation*

    • Who are the Russian Oligarchs? (2022)
    • A great visulacapitalist.com infographic - but if you want to go understand how they can afford their superyachts, start here

    *SpyCasts*

    • CIA Officers Turned Authors – David McCloskey & James Stejskal (2022)
    • NSA, CIA, Author - Alma Katsu (2021)
    • Victor in the Rubble – Alex Finley (2016)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • A Brief History of Spy Fiction, Stella Rimington, Crime Reads, (2018) [short essay]
    • An Introduction to Satire, Jackson School District (n.d.) [2-page guide]
    • Russia’s Top Five Disinformation Narratives, State (2022) [webpage]

    Books

    • Victor in Trouble, A. Finley (Smiling Hippo, 2022)
    • The Revenge of Power, M. Naim (St. Martin’s, 2022)
    • Active Measures, T. Rid (Picador, 2021)
    • The Misinformation Age, C. O’Connor & J. Weatherall (YUP, 2020)
    • Victor in The Jungle, A. Finley (Smiling Hippo, 2019)
    • Victor in The Rubble, A. Finley (Smiling Hippo, 2016)
    • Great Spy Stories from Fiction, A. Dulles (Harper, 1969)

    Articles

    • The Russian Firehose of Falsehood, C. Paul & M. Matthews, RAND (2016)
    • Yellow Journalism, PBS (n.d.)

    Videos

    • The Spy Writers You Love to Read, SPY (2019)
    • Russian Active Measures: Past, Present & Future, CSIS (2018)
    • The Strategy Behind Russia’s Disinformation Campaigns, DW News (n.d.)
    • Meet the KGB Spies Who Invented Fake News, NYT (n.d.)

    Reports

    • Combatting Targeted Disinformation Campaigns, DHS (2019)

    Primary Sources

    • Disinformation: Russian Active Measures, Senate Intelligence Committee (2017)
    • KGB Active Measures in SW Asia in 1980-82, Wilson Center

    Primary Source Collections

    • Rumor Control Project Documents, Library of Congress

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • A Clockwork Orange (1962) [novel]
    • A short, sharp satire that ruminates on the nature of society and free will – it will stay with you for a long time to come

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