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    SpyCast

    SpyCast, the official podcast of the International Spy Museum, is a journey into the shadows of international espionage. Each week, host Sasha Ingber brings you the latest insights and intriguing tales from spies, secret agents, and covert communicators, with a focus on how this secret world reaches us all in our everyday lives. Tune in to discover the critical role intelligence has played throughout history and today. Brought to you from Airwave, Goat Rodeo, and the International Spy Museum. 

    The Spy Museum does not endorse, approve, or support the opinions stated by guest speakers. Statements made by speakers do not represent the position or opinion of the International Spy Museum.

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    “The Real Ian Fleming” with Nicholas Shakespeare May 21, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Nicholas Shakespeare (X; Website) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss the life and legacy of Ian Fleming. Nicholas is an award-winning novelist and biographer.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • Fleming’s family and upbringing
    • Debunking misconceptions about Fleming’s character
    • Fleming’s career in intelligence
    • British Naval Intelligence operations during WWII

    Reflections

    • Life influencing literature
    • The lasting impact of storytelling

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “Whatever the ingredients of Bond – As a kind of, both a hero of modernization, but also as a symbol of retrospective power – The films have allowed this protean creature to exist in the future, in the present, and so that almost all over the world, the words, the names “Bond, James Bond” will ignite a smile.” – Nicholas Shakespeare.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *Spotlight Resource*

    • Ian Fleming: The Complete Man, Nicholas Shakespeare (Harper, 2024)

    *SpyCasts*

    • Bond After Fleming, the Continuation of an Icon with Mark Edlitz (2024)
    • The James Bond Collector with Mike VanBlaricum (2024)
    • 70th Anniversary of James Bond, Special with Alexis Albion on 007, Part 1 of 2 (2023)
    • 70th Anniversary of James Bond, Special with Alexis Albion on 007, Part 2 of 2 (2023)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • Ian Fleming – Life Story, Short Biographies, YouTube (2023) [8 min. video]
    • List of Books by Ian Fleming, Barnes and Noble (n.d.) [List of literary works]
    • Ian Fleming Life Timeline, Ian Fleming Publications (n.d.) [Timeline]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • Ian Fleming’s War: The Inspiration for 007, M. Simmons (Rare Bird Books, 2021)
    • The Man with the Golden Typewriter: Ian Fleming's James Bond Letters, ed. F. Fleming (Bloomsbury, 2016)
    • The Life of Ian Fleming, J. Pearson (Jonathan Cape, 1966)

    Primary Sources

    • Diana Rigg Obituary (2020)
    • Ian Fleming about James Bond and himself (1964)
    • Our Spy-Boss Who Loved Bond by Allen Dulles (1964)
    • Allen Dulles and Ian Fleming (1964)
    • Operation “Mincemeat” Brief (1943)
    • Postagram Concerning Operation Mincemeat (1943)
    • Valentine Fleming Eulogy by Winston Churchill (1917)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • Spymaker: The Secret Life of Ian Fleming (1990)
    • A TV movie that stars Jason Connery as Ian Fleming. Jason Connery is the son of Sean Connery – the first actor to portray James Bond in film.
    “Codebreaking and Codemaking Down Under” – with John Blaxland and Clare Birgin May 14, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    John Blaxland (X, LinkedIn) and Clare Birgin (Wikipedia, LinkedIn) join Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss Australian codebreaking. John and Clare are coauthors of the new book Revealing Secrets.

    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The importance of SIGINT
    • Codebreaking in Australian intelligence
    • Australia’s role in WWII and the Cold War
    • The advent and evolution of cyber

    Reflections

    • Strategic defense and offense
    • The power, and danger, of communication

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    "What I've noticed with the Australians, and I think it's similar in the other the other Five Eyes countries, these people tend to be quite patriotic to do [Signals Intelligence]. They want to, they love their country, and it also seems to preserve very good qualities.” -Clare Birgin.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *Spotlight Resource*

    • Revealing Secrets: An unofficial history of Australian Signals intelligence and the advent of cyber, Clare Birgin and John Blaxland (University of New South Wales Press, 2023)

    *SpyCasts*

    • I Helped Solve the Final Zodiac Killer Cipher with David Oranchak (2024)
    • Australian National Day Special: Intelligence Down Under with John Blaxland (2024)
    • My Father the Navajo Code-Talker with Laura Tohe (2023)
    • CYBER AUGUST: “So, You Want to Be a Codebreaker?” with Elonka Dunin and Klaus Schmeh (2021)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • Australia's Involvement in WWII, Australian Broadcasting Service, YouTube (2020) [4 min. video]
    • A short history of cyber espionage, D. O’Brien, Medium (2017) [Short article]
    • Signals Intelligence (SINGINT) Overview, National Security Agency (n.d.) [Short article]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Primary Sources

    • WMD Report (2005)
    • The ANZUS Treaty (1951)
    • Role and effectiveness of Signals Intelligence in World War II (1945)
    • The Atlantic Charter (1941)
    • The Zimmerman Telegram (1917)
    • Oral History by Ruby Boye Jones (n.d.)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • Here’s a challenge – For their 75th Anniversary in 2022, the Australian Signals Directorate released a limited edition coin with multiple layers of code to crack on both sides.
    • Think you can solve it? Check out the link above and test your code-cracking skills.
    “James Foley: Journalist, ISIS Hostage, Son” – with His Mother Diane Foley May 07, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Diane Foley (Website, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss the legacy of her son, James Foley. James was held hostage and murdered by ISIS in 2014.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The enduring legacy of James’ murder
    • James’ time in captivity in Libya
    • A mother’s experience communicating with her son’s captors
    • How hostage recovery efforts have evolved since 2014

    Reflections

    • Grief turned into action
    • Forgiveness, empathy, and resilience

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “[Jim] could have been teaching or doing so many things, writing … but he just felt those stories were essential. And it really made me realize and recognize the courage of our current journalists going into Ukraine or Gaza. We wouldn't have any idea what's happening in that part of the world without those folks who dare to be there and dare to find ways to tell that story and bring it back to us.” – Diane Foley.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *Spotlight Resource*

    • American Mother, Colum McCann and Diane Foley (Etruscan Press, 2024)

    *SpyCasts*

    • CIA Director, Defense Secretary, Gentleman with Leon Panetta (2024)
    • Intelligence, Special Operations, and Strategy with Michael Vickers (2023)
    • My Life Looking at Spies & the Media with Paul Lashmar (2022)
    • ISIS Leader al-Mawla: Caliph. Scholar. Canary. Snitch. with Daniel Milton, West Point CTC Director (Part 1 of 2) (2022)
    • ISIS Leader al-Mawla: Caliph. Scholar. Canary. Snitch. with Daniel Milton, West Point CTC Director (Part 2 of 2) (2022)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • Syria: Seven Years of War Explained, BBC News, YouTube (2018) [5 min. video]
    • FACT SHEET: U.S. Government Hostage Policy, Office of the Press Secretary (2015) [Short brief]
    • Jim’s Story, James W. Foley Legacy Foundation (n.d.) [Background on James Foley]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • The Isis Hostage, P. Damsgard (Pegasus Books, 2017)
    • Black Flags: The Rise of ISIS, J. Warrick (Anchor, 2016)
    • Never Split the Difference: Negotiating As If Your Life Depended On It, C. Voss & T. Raz (Harper Business, 2016)

    Primary Sources

    • A Proclamation on U.S. Hostage and Wrongful Detainee Day (2024)
    • Executive Order on Bolstering Efforts to Bring Hostages and Wrongfully Detained United States Nationals Home (2022)
    • FBI Hostage Rescue Team Policy Guide (2019)
    • Report on U.S. Hostage Policy (2015)
    • Murder of James Foley Press Statement (2014)
    • Hostage Negotiation: A Matter of Life and Death (1983)
    • Current Status of the Hostage Crisis and the Implications of US Policy Options (1980)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • “Tie a Yellow Ribbon Round the Ole Oak Tree” by Tony Orlando and Dawn (1973)
    • This song was a #1 hit when it was originally released in 1973. Six years later, the song resurged and gained even more popularity during the Iranian Hostage Crisis. The song became an unofficial hostage recovery anthem, as the lyrics poignantly hint to welcoming a loved one home from captivity.
    “Interstellar Intelligence” – with Harvard Astrophysicist Avi Loeb Apr 30, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Avi Loeb (Harvard Biography, Wikipedia) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in outer space. He is a Professor in the Department of Astronomy at Harvard University.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The Galileo Project & its goals
    • The Intelligence Community and Outer Space
    • Government positions on the existence of extraterrestrial life
    • Connections between intelligence and astrophysics

    Reflections

    • The enormity of our universe
    • Evidence over opinion or speculation

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “And my hope is that realizing that we have a smart neighbor that we can learn from would convince us to change our priorities from fighting over territories on this small piece of rock, trying to kill each other, to something more noble, just looking up and having bigger aspirations because there is so much more real estate out there than you find here on Earth.” – Avi Loeb.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *Spotlight Resource*

    • Interstellar: The Search for Extraterrestrial Life and Our Future in the Stars, Avi Loeb (Mariner Books, 2023)

    *SpyCasts*

    • I Helped Solve the Final Zodiac Killer Cipher with David Oranchak (2024)
    • The 18-Year-Old Soviet Spy on the Manhattan Project: Ted Hall with Director Steve James (2023)
    • Espionage and the Metaverse with Cathy Hackl (2023)
    • The Information Battlespace – Foreign Denial and Deception with Bill Parquette (2023)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • What is Astrophysics? A. Belter, Space (2022) [Short article]
    • What You Need to Know About Astrobiology - The Search for Life in the Universe! NASA, YouTube (2020) [2 min. video]
    • Glossary of astronomical terms, International Comet Quarterly (n.d.) [Glossary]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • In Plain Sight: An Investigation into UFOs and Impossible Science, R. Coulthart (HarperCollins, 2023)
    • Extraterrestrial: The First Sign of Intelligent Life Beyond Earth, A. Loeb (Mariner Books, 2022)
    • Astrophysics for People in a Hurry, N. deGrasse Tyson (W. W. Norton & Company, 2017)

    Primary Sources

    • Report on the Historical Record of U.S. Government Involvement with Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena (2024)
    • Preliminary Assessment: Unidentified Aerial Phenomena (2021)
    • UFO Files: The Untold Story (1979)
    • Space tests branded as propaganda (1964)
    • People Are Talking About … Little Green Men (1964)
    • Unidentified Flying Objects: Writer Says They’re a Dangerous Problem (1954)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • This week, our recommended music accompaniment to this episode is, of course, The Rise and Fall of Ziggy Stardust and the Spiders from Mars by David Bowie.
    • This 1972 album, a classic example of the Glam Rock and early Punk era, includes the single “Starman,” which Andrew mentions in this episode.
    “Navigating a Career in Counterterrorism as a Muslim – with Angie Gad” Apr 23, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Angie Gad (LinkedIn, Website) joined Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss her career in intelligence analysis. Angie is a first-generation Egyptian-American.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The role of state fusion centers to national intelligence
    • How counterterrorism analysis evolved after 9/11
    • The connections between ISIS and Far Right Extremists
    • The mental health implications of counterterrorism

    Reflections

    • The importance of diversity of thought and experience
    • Personal identity in professional life

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “I think that's what drives me as an analyst. I love to understand why extremists do what they do, what leads them, what are the motivators and the driving force behind their actions and their thoughts and their radicalization.” – Angie Gad.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *SpyCasts*

    • Telling Americans About China (and Intelligence) with Sara Castro (2024)
    • The Eye of Horus: Egyptian Intelligence with Dina Rezk (2023)
    • Leader, Lecturer, Analyzer, Nerd with Jorhena Thomas (2023)
    • The Counterterrorism and Counter WMD Strategist with Dexter Ingram (2022)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • What Is Counterterrorism? National Museum of American Diplomacy, YouTube (2023) [5 min. video]
    • What is Intelligence Analysis and Why is It So Important? National American University (2020) [Short article]
    • Role of Fusion Centers, U.S. Department of Homeland Security (n.d.) [Short brief]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • Compassionate Counterterrorism: The Power of Inclusion In Fighting Fundamentalism, L. Al Olaimy (Berrett-Koehler Publishers, 2019)
    • Black Flags: Rise of ISIS, J. Warrick (Doubleday, 2015)
    • Reducing Uncertainty: Intelligence Analysis & National Security, T. Fingar (SUP, 2011)

    Primary Sources

    • United States of America v. Ammon BUNDY, Jon RITZHEIMER, Joseph O'SHAUGHNESSY, Ryan PAYNE, Ryan BUNDY, Brian CAVALIER, Shawna COX, Peter SANTILLI (2016)
    • National Criminal Intelligence Sharing Plan (2013)
    • Progress Made and Work Remaining in Implementing Homeland Security Missions 10 Years after 9/11 (2011)
    • Empowering Local Partners to Prevent Violent Extremism in the United States (2011)
    • 9/11 Commission Report (2004)
    • Targets of Suspicion: The Impact of Post-9/11 Policies on Muslims, Arabs and South Asians in the United States (2004)
    • American Psyche Reeling From Terror Attacks (2001)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • The Rosetta Stone was originally found in the Nile Delta of Egypt in 1799. The priceless piece of human linguistic history has been on display at the British Museum since 1802.
    • The question of the potential repatriation of the Rosetta Stone back to Egypt is one of the most highly discussed topics in the museum field today. Read more about the Egyptian campaign to reclaim their ancient artifacts here.
    “The Foundations of American Intelligence in WWI” – with Mark Stout Apr 16, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Mark Stout (X; LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss his new book, World War I and the Foundations of American Intelligence. Mark Stout is a former intelligence analyst and former SPY Historian.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The first American intelligence “agencies”
    • Codebreaking during WWI
    • The American Protective League and spy paranoia
    • WWI’s effect on American culture and politics

    Reflections

    • Challenging common historical thought
    • Studying the “forgotten” wars

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “[After World War I] there will never be a time again when the United States won't have squadrons in the Army Air Corps, later the U. S. Air Force, and similarly the Navy. We would never again be without aerial reconnaissance squadrons. There would never again be a time when the United States didn't have at least one code-breaking organization.” – Mark Stout.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *Spotlight Resource*

    • World War I and the Foundations of American Intelligence, Mark Stout (University Press of Kansas, 2023)

    *SpyCasts*

    • Rise of Devils: The Origins of Modern Terrorism with James Crossland (2024)
    • Spies: The Epic Intelligence War Between East vs. West with Calder Walton (2023)
    • The Lion and the Fox – Civil War Spy vs. Spy with Alexander Rose (2023)
    • The Birth of American Propaganda – A Conversation on Manipulating the Masses with John Hamilton (2021)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • World War I, Explained in 5 Minutes! YouTube (2023) [5 min. video]
    • The Journey of the Intelligence Community, M. Thomas, Office of the Director of National Intelligence (2023) [Timeline of the US IC]
    • The United States in the First World War, National Park Service (2021) [Short article]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • Manipulating the Masses: Woodrow Wilson and the Birth of American Propaganda, J. M. Hamilton (LSU Press, 2020)
    • Codes, Ciphers and Spies: Tales of Military Intelligence in World War I, J. F. Dooley (Copernicus, 2016)
    • The Zimmermann Telegram: Intelligence, Diplomacy, and America's Entry into World War I, T. Boghardt (Naval Institute Press, 2012)

    Primary Sources

    • Treaty of Versailles (1919)
    • Woodrow Wilson’s Fourteen Points Speech (1918)
    • Telegram Announcing Armistice (1918)
    • Sedition Act (1918)
    • The Zimmermann Telegram (1917)
    • Espionage Act (1917)
    • Woodrow Wilson Third Annual Message, Warns of Espionage (1915)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • 12 Step Method to Reveal Secret Writing (ca. 1913-1924)
    • Germany was particularly fond of invisible ink as a tactic of spycraft during World War I. If you came across a document suspected of secret writing, you might use these 12 steps to reveal the hidden message …
    “The Director-General of NZ Security Intelligence Service” – with Andrew Hampton Apr 09, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Andrew Hampton joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss intelligence in New Zealand. Andrew is the Director General of the New Zealand Security Intelligence Service.

    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The New Zealand Intelligence Community
    • How geography effects national security
    • The lasting impact of the Christchurch Mosque attacks
    • New Zealand’s relationship with China

    Reflections

    • The power of community organization
    • The nuanced nature of global politics

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “I think for a long time there was a view that our geographical isolation protected us from a range of national security threats. But unfortunately, in the current world, geostrategic competition is playing out in our region. Going back to my old role, you’re only one click away from a cyber-attack … This and misinformation and violent extremism are permeating the whole world. ” – Andrew Hampton.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *SpyCasts*

    • CIA Director, Defense Secretary, Gentleman with Leon Panetta (2024)
    • Australian National Day Special: Intelligence Down Under with John Blaxland (2024)
    • SPY CHIEFS: Director-General of Security Mike Burgess - ASIO, Australia & America (2022)
    • Keeping Secrets/Disclosing Secrets with Spy Chief turned DG of Australia’s National Archives David Fricker (2022)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • What Is The Five Eyes Alliance? K. Haan, Forbes [Short Article]
    • A Brief History of New Zealand, Live and Work New Zealand (2022) [Short article]
    • Why Isn't New Zealand a Part of Australia? History Matters, YouTube (2020) [3 min. video]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • Voyagers: The Settlement of the Pacific, Nicholas Thomas (Basic Books, 2021)
    • Pacific Century: The Emergence of Modern Pacific Asia, Mark Borthwick (Routledge, 2013)
    • The Penguin History of New Zealand, Michael King (Penguin Books, 2003)

    Primary Sources

    • He Whakaputanga o te Rangatiratanga o Nu Tireni – the Declaration of Independence of the United Tribes of New Zealand (1835)
    • Te Tiriti o Waitangi — the Treaty of Waitangi (1840)
    • New Zealand Security Intelligence Service Act (1969)
    • Intelligence and Security Committee Act (1996)
    • Inspector-General of Intelligence and Security Act (1996)
    • Government Communications Security Bureau Act (2003)
    • Intelligence and Security Act (2017)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • The Women’s Suffrage Petition - Te Petihana Whakamana Pōti Wahine
    • In 1893, this document gave all women in New Zealand the right to vote in general elections – Making New Zealand the first country in the world to enact universal women’s suffrage!
    “I Helped Solve the Final Zodiac Killer Cipher” – with David Oranchak Apr 02, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    David Oranchak (X, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss his work helping to solve the 340 Zodiac cipher. Dave is a software developer and avid puzzle solver.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The difference between codes and ciphers
    • The cryptological methods used by the Zodiac killer
    • The history of cryptography and its importance to intelligence
    • How Dave and his team cracked the 340 Cipher

    Reflections

    • Persistence and dedication
    • Average citizens as avid participants

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “It felt like we had gotten a brand new letter from the Zodiac Killer. You know, the case had been dormant for so long … We started to see the message coming through, it was like he was back to life so to speak, he was talking to us again after so many years of not saying anything. So that was kind of eerie to kind of hear the voice of a serial killer.” – David Oranchak.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *SpyCasts*

    • My Father the Navajo Code-Talker with Laura Tohe (2023)
    • Venice’s Secret Service with Ioanna Iordanou (2023)
    • El Chapo, the Sinaloa Cartel & Intelligence with Trial Reporter Noah Hurowitz (2022)
    • CYBER AUGUST: “So, You Want to Be a Codebreaker?” with Elonka Dunin and Klaus Schmeh (2021)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • A brief history of cryptography: Sending secret messages throughout time, J. Schneider, IBM (2024) [Short article]
    • What is the Difference Between a Code and a Cipher? Mysterious Writings (2018) [Short Article]
    • Infamous Killers: The Zodiac Killer, A&E, YouTube (2017) [5 min. video]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • Zodiac: The Shocking True Story of the Hunt for the Nation's Most Elusive Serial Killer, R. Graysmith (Berkley, 2007)
    • The Code Book: The Science of Secrecy from Ancient Egypt to Quantum Cryptography, S. Singh (Anchor, 2000)
    • The Codebreakers: The Comprehensive History of Secret Communication from Ancient Times to the Internet, D. Kahn (Scribner, 1996)

    Primary Sources

    • The Zodiac Killer FBI Case File (1969)
    • San Francisco Zodiac Letter (1969)
    • San Francisco Suspect Sketches (1969)
    • Zodiac’s 408 Cipher (1969)
    • Zodiac’s 340 Cipher (1969)
    • The Beale Papers (1885)
    • The Dorabella Cipher (1897)
    • Voynich Manuscript (ca. 1401-1599)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • If you’re an amateur codebreaker and you feel inspired by this episode, try your hand at cryptanalysis with this FBI-created dot code. Erin tried, but could not begin to crack it – She’ll stick to podcasting.
    “Bond After Fleming, the Continuation of an Icon” – with Mark Edlitz Mar 26, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Mark Edlitz (X, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss how James Bond lived on in literature after the death of Ian Fleming. Mark is an author and pop culture expert.


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The original Fleming novels
    • Intellectual property and author’s rights to iconic characters
    • The evolution of Bond as a literary character
    • The relationship between the Bond books and the Bond movies

    Reflections

    • Can icons ever truly die?
    • Just how malleable are our favorite characters?

    And much, much more …


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *Spotlight Resource*

    • James Bond After Fleming: The Continuation Novels, Mark Edlitz (2023)

    *SpyCasts*

    • The James Bond Collector with Mike VanBlaricum (2024)
    • 70th Anniversary of James Bond, Special with Alexis Albion on 007, Part 1 of 2 (2023)
    • 70th Anniversary of James Bond, Special with Alexis Albion on 007, Part 2 of 2 (2023)
    • My Life Looking at Spies and the Media with Paul Lashmar (2022)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • James Bond Books: The Continuation Novels, D. Leigh, The James Bond Dossier (2024) [Short biographies of each continuation author]
    • Ian Fleming – Life Story, Short Biographies, YouTube (2023) [8 min. video]
    • Can I do a sequel to someone else's book or movie? Miller IP Law (n.d.) [Short article]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • Bond, James Bond: Exploring the Shaken and Stirred History of Ian Fleming’s 007, B. Gilmore & M. Kalinowski (Mango, 2022)
    • The Many Lives of James Bond: How the Creators of 007 Have Decoded the Superspy, M. Edlitz (Lyons Press, 2019)
    • James Bond: The Evolution of the World's Most Famous Spy, A. Geiger (CompanionHouse Books, 2016)

    Primary Sources

    • An Interview with Raymond Benson (2023)
    • License Renewed: Interview with John Gardner (1994)
    • Gardner Assumes Ian Fleming's Pen To Keep James Bond Alive (1988)
    • An Interview with Kingsley Amis (1975)
    • Allen Dulles and Ian Fleming (1964)
    • Books of the Times (1963)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • James Bond is a fantastically well-known character, but he is not technically in the public domain. Characters that do exist in the public domain include Count Dracula, Frankenstein’s Monster, Sherlock Holmes, and Robin Hood.
    • Studying the origins of these characters is fascinating. Take Robin Hood, for example – The first written mention of the heroic outlaw comes from the poem “The Vision of Piers Plowman” by William Langland, written in 1380. That’s 593 years before Disney’s classic adaptation of the story!
    “The Skinny on American Intelligence & the Law” – with D.C. “Super Lawyer” Mark Zaid Mar 19, 2024
    Show notes

    Summary

    Mark Zaid (X, LinkedIn) joins Andrew (X; LinkedIn) to discuss American intelligence and the law. You’ve heard of a “lawyer to the stars,” Mark is the “lawyer to the spies”


    What You’ll Learn

    Intelligence

    • The quirks of being a lawyer in this space
    • How the Espionage Act works in practice
    • The trial of the Rosenbergs
    • The origins of FOIA and its purpose
    • The Legal foundations underpinning espionage and intelligence

    Reflections

    • Challenging authority
    • The delicate balance of secrecy

    And much, much more …


    Quotes of the Week

    “I still love working every day, 30 years later, because there's still something new. As much as I fight for declassification and transparency, I will at times also see information and learn of events where I go, “Oh, I get it. Yeah, that stuff cannot be known. That's incredible what we did. That's pretty wild.” – Mark Zaid.


    Resources

    SURFACE SKIM

    *SpyCasts*

    • Agent of Betrayal, FBI Spy Robert Hanssen with CBS’ Major Garrett and Friends (2023)
    • David Petraeus on Ukraine & Intelligence with the former CIA Director & 4* General (2023)
    • Havana Syndrome – A Panel featuring Nicky Woolf, Marc Polymeropoulos, and Mark Zaid (2023)
    • How Artificial Intelligence is Changing the Spy Game with Mike Susong (2023)

    *Beginner Resources*

    • What Is a Whistleblower? Protections, Law, Importance, and Example, W. Kenton, Investopedia (2022) [Short article]
    • What is a Lawyer? American Bar Association (2019) [Short article]
    • Legal System Basics, CrashCourse, YouTube (2015) [8 min. video]

    DEEPER DIVE

    Books

    • State of Silence: The Espionage Act and the Rise of America's Secrecy Regime, S. Lebovic (Basic Books, 2023)
    • Ethel Rosenberg, A. Sebba (Griffin, 2022)
    • Spies on Trial: True Tales of Espionage in the Courtroom, C. C. Kuhne (Rowman & Littlefield Publishers, 2019)

    Primary Sources

    • A Letter from Aldrich Ames on Polygraph Testing (2000)
    • Whistle Blower Protection Act (1989)
    • DoD Polygraph Program (1984)
    • National Security Decision Directive 84 (1983)
    • Inspector General Act (1978)
    • Freedom of Information Act (1966)
    • Administrative Procedure Act (1946)
    • Espionage Act (1917)

    *Wildcard Resource*

    • John Adams, a 2008 HBO Mini-Series chronicling the Founding Father’s role in early America
    • John Adams, much like Mark, was a lawyer dedicated to the right to representation. Adams, ever dedicated to the honor of his profession, was the only attorney who agreed to defend the British soldiers involved in the Boston Massacre. You can read the whole trial here.
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