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422 — Your Water Isn’t Just H20 With Joseph Johnson Nov 03, 2026

Show notes

For a very long time, Paul has talked about the importance of clean water for a very good reason: Without dependable access to clean water, at the very least, your health will be seriously compromised (if not far worse).

So, how do you ensure the water coming from your local source is as clean as possible?

Joseph Johnson shares an amazing journey that led him to develop a group of H3RO water structuring devices, thanks to a download of information he received in a second followed by a decade of the study and hard work it took to create them this week on Spirit Gym.

Email Joseph any questions you have about his H3RO water devices at this link. Learn more about Joseph’s work on Instagram.

For Spirit Gym listeners: Save 5% on Joseph’s water structuring devices at this link when you use the code PAULCHEK at checkout.

Timestamps

6:43 Could plants and trees create alchemical reactions in soil on their own?

13:04 Why is our planet losing oxygen?

16:50 Wiping out of cyanobacteria in our atmosphere is creating a slow extinction event.

22:57 Why are humans trying and failing to be smarter than nature?

30:18 What happens to grains intended for animal feed that are laced with high levels of mycotoxins?

36:47 “What do you think about glyphosate?”

48:03 Joseph tests structured water on soil treated with glyphosate.

53:34 Could the structured water produced by Joseph’s devices enhance the detox capacities of the people drinking it?

1:00:02 The science of spectrometry.

1:05:41 Water and consciousness.

1:20:04 It took Joseph a decade of study and an unexpected force from somewhere to help him build an effective structured water product but cannot explain (to his own satisfaction) how he got the idea for it.

1:30:33 Joseph describes how glyphosate is permeating once-unthinkable areas and blunting plant growth due to spraying on roadways and national forests.

1:35:13 “Water is the carrier that allows for the assembly of everything.”

1:45:35 Comparing H2O to H3O2.

1:49:24 The light factor.

1:57:47 “I think I look better as a cult leader than you.”

Resources

Biological Transmutation by C. Louis Kervan and George Ohsawa

Methanogenesis

The work of Justus von Liebig, Isaac Newton and Dr. Gerald Pollack

Putrescine

Clathrate (cage-like) compounds

Paul’s podcast conversation with Dr. Autumn Smith

Vaterite

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421 — Quit Paying to Feel Worse: Redirect It Into Your Health With Eugene Trufkin Oct 27, 2026

Show notes

Today, the world is facing a serious health crisis that’s pretty similar to another catastrophe nearly 100 years ago although we have more knowledge and tools at our fingertips than ever before to make a positive and meaningful impact on our health.

However, today’s challenges are so grave what passes for modern medicine has shifted the goalposts so much that being obese is considered normal and healthy.

Paul and HLC Practitioner Eugene Trufkin, author of the new book American Culture and Normalized Pathology: When Obesity, Misery, Medical Drug Dependence and Disease Becomes a Normal Way of Life, share their vast expertise on living a better, healthier life by mastering simple principles this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Eugene at his Trufkin athletics website. Find him on social media via Facebook and Instagram. Check out his Eugene Trufkin Radio podcast on Apple Podcasts or wherever you get them.

Timestamps

7:47 Creating a healthier lifestyle less focused on work inspired Eugene to write his latest book.

10:14 “Americans have somehow figured out a way to become mentally and physically the sickest humans in all of human history.”

24:01 Humans are buried in bad, dumbed-down health information.

34:31 “Think of epigenetics as our environment playing the keys on a piano.”

40:49 Can you reduce your expenses and live on a shorter work week?

59:37 How much more does it cost (in health expenses) to maintain an overweight or obese body?

1:14:00 The estimated cost of living on a 2,000-calorie organic diet for a year.

1:25:38 The pioneer of the organic food movement.

1:37:20 Humans are built as integrated, holistic, cybernetic systems, yet the allopathic medical system still looks at us as separate parts.

1:49:53 “I know you get it, but are you doing it?”

1:56:49 Are you following the path of average?

Resources

Anti-Factory Farm Shopping Guide and Laws of Aesthetics by Eugene Trufkin

Animal Farm by George Orwell

Eugenics

The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul, John Wilkinson and Robert Merton

Against The Machine: On the Unmaking of Humanity by Paul Kingsnorth

The work of Sir Robert McCarrison, Matt Kahn and Stephen Wolinsky

The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden

The Living Soil and the Haughley Experiment by Lady Evelyn Barbara Balfour

The Peckham Experiment by Innes Hope Pearse

The 1-2-3-4 of Overcoming Addiction, Obesity and Disease by Paul

Paul’s podcast conversations with Eben Britton, Jason Pickard and Dr. Autumn Smith

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420 — Why Psilocybin Belongs in a Church, Not a Clinic With Eric Osborne Oct 20, 2026

Show notes

More than a decade ago, Eric Osborne co-founded the world’s first public psilocybin retreat In Jamaica (MycoMeditations) on the heels of Michael Pollan’s revelatory New Yorker feature, The Trip Treatment.

Eventually, Eric left the world of wellness retreats behind to establish Psanctuary, a Louisville, Ky., church that allowed him to create an ideal environment where he could build a permanent and legal community that focuses on people and healing with psilocybin.

Eric Osborne shares his amazing journey from teen snake-charmer to spiritual leader and healer, explains why a church is the best place to do psychedelic work and reveals what he learned from his first experience with psilocybin at age 19 that he keeps exploring even now, this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Eric and his work at his website and his Psanctuary website (where you can check out his My Mushroom Map mini-course). Sign up to read the first chapter of his upcoming book, The Psychedelic Reformation, at this link. Find Eric on social media via Facebook, Instagram, LinkedIn and TikTok.

For Spirit Gym listeners: Eric is offering Spirit Gym listeners a 10 percent discount on all three courses Psanctuary teaches — his upcoming live, three-session My Mushroom Map Bootcamp (via Zoom) starting on Monday, Oct. 26 and Level 1: MySelf Training and Level 2: Friends and Family Spaceholder Training geared for people seeking out deeper journeys — through this special link. Save 10 percent on these courses by using the promo code SPIRITGYM at checkout.

Timestamps

3:39 Eric’s scientific obsession with snakes introduced him to the world of taboo subjects, like mushrooms.

10:57 A sovereign being in a spiritual space.

19:23 “I've learned more from plant medicines than all the books I've ever read in my life and I've read a lot of them.”

24:14 Do you fear consuming mushrooms because you’ll find out what entities are already possessing you?

35:24 Applying material science to psychedelics can be a real problem.

41:40 What Eric learned in his first mushroom experience that he will keep exploring for the rest of his life.

48:18 Eric believes a church is the best place to do psychedelic work.

57:45 Why do so many consider scientism a religion?

1:02:13 Are mushrooms conscious entities?

1:16:31 Eric communicates with mushrooms.

1:49:44 Eric leaves the Jamaica retreat he created to build Psanctuary, a Kentucky-based church.

1:59:49 “Quantum biology will teach us more about the psychedelic experience and what is happening in these states than psychology will.”

2:08:06 “Losing your mind is the entry point to becoming everything.”

2:13:41 Eric is very cautious before he considers playing a role in a ceremony.

2:23:39 Eric’s philosophy on working with someone in a ceremony: “I’m here to help you learn how to use this medicine on your own.”

2:29:24 Could psychedelic therapy wake people up to their own personal empowerment or perpetuate their codependency?

2:37:45 People can come to psilocybin with help from clinical professionals but they’re really not equipped to support you through this sacred experience.

2:47:38 “We cannot truly be ourselves or discover ourselves without a community.”

Resources

Eric’s recent podcast conversation with Kyle Kingsbury

Rastafari

Podcaster Shawn Ryan shares his experience with Ibogaine on YouTube

How Psychedelics Work: The Hidden Mind and Our Power to Heal by Dr. Robin Carhart-Harris

Psilocybe ovoideocystidiata

Pantheism and panentheism

The work of Hunter S. Thompson, Thomas Merton, Paul Stamets, Iain McGilchrist, Albert Hofmann and Rupert Sheldrake

Owning Your Own Shadow: Understanding The Dark Side of Psyche by Robert A. Johnson

Paul’s podcast conversations with Hamilton Souther, Robert Forte, Dr. Nathan Riley and Sasha Latypova

Paul’s solocasts on Lucifer, Christ and Ahriman and Shadow Work

Science and the Akashic Field: An Integral Theory of Everything by Ervin Laszlo

The Unknown Spirit by Jean Charon

The Are You Possessed? audio program with Paul and Kaedrich Olsen

Finite and Infinite Games: A Vision of Life as Play and Possibility by James Carse

Food of the Gods by Terence McKenna

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419 — Vaccines, Virology and Cancer Statistics With Sasha Latypova Oct 13, 2026

Show notes

What’s contained/not contained in vaccines and why isn’t it regulated? After all these years, why is the polio vaccine still a sacred cow? Why has Robert F. Kennedy Jr. not made the impact in human health at the federal level so many people expected?

Explore the scientific truth behind the fiction with former pharmaceutical R&D executive Sasha Latypova this week on Spirit Gym.

Read Sasha’s work on Substack, including her Summary of Everything and Quick Links Update January 2026.

Timestamps

4:19 Most pharmaceutical professionals don’t understand biologics — drugs derived from living organisms — are totally different.

6:28 By the spring of 2020 (the beginning of COVID), Sasha noticed the FDA was behaving in ways she’d never seen before.

10:18 The TeGenero scandal.

19:15 Falling into mental traps and pretending into real problems.

25:10 The differing concepts of error versus intention.

37:10 “Germ theory consciousness is fundamentally based on fear.”

43:12 Fear-mongering and propaganda from medical “experts” really works.

49:56 “People need to understand that virology is not a science.”

56:59 The truth about cancer.

1:08:14 If cancer is driven by exposures, how did its demographic profile change so radically over the course of a century?

1:15:04 Nixon’s war on cancer.

1:21:22 The great business of imaginary spirit cooking.

1:30:09 The polio vaccine is a sacred cow.

1:45:43 The Biologics Control Act/Virus-Toxin Law of 1902.

1:52:01 Nothing about biologics is regulated, even in vaccines.

1:56:37 Robert F. Kennedy Jr. wasn’t the defender for public health Sasha, Paul and many others expected.

2:02:07 “[RFK Jr.] has no values and does what his handlers tell him to do.”

2:17:28 Glyphosate.

2:28:08 Diffusion tactics that distract you from the truth.

2:35:25 “Smoking is hazardous to your health” falsehoods.

2:59:17 “Don’t endow tools [like AI] with superhuman properties.”

3:02:50 The crisis of daily living is always the same, so take as much responsibility as you can for the decisions you make.

3:10:51 “Make sure your picture of reality is accurate.”

Resources

Sasha’s What is Cancer: a Comprehensive Theory of Causes and Mechanisms essay on Substack

Sasha’s 175+ Years of Cancer: The Big Picture the Establishment Doesn’t Want You to See essay on Substack

Sasha’s conversation with Dr. Andrew Kaufman on YouTube

Sasha’s conversations with Robert F. Kennedy Jr. on Militarized Healthcare and leaked Moderna files

The Technological Society by Jacques Ellul, John Wilkinson and Robert Merton

Hydroxychloroquine

VAERS

How Bad is My Batch website

NIH’s Cancer Stat Facts

Voltaire on Inoculation

The Mahoney strain (polio)

Secretory IgA

Plato’s allegory of the cave

Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS)

The Adelphi Genetics Forum

British Doctors Study

Zeta potential

The Science Delusion by Rupert Sheldrake

Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Alexis Cowan, Dr. Tom Cowan and Dr. Sherry Tenpenny

What Really Makes You Ill?: Why Everything You Thought About Disease is Wrong by Dawn Lester and David Parker

The work of Charles Richet, Theron Randolph, Edward Edinger, Sir Robert McCarrison and Dr. Alton Ochsner

Outbreak (movie)

DNA: Pirates of the Sacred Spiral by Leonard Horowitz

Against The Machine: On the Unmaking of Humanity by Paul Kingsnorth

Missing Links with Gregg Braden on Gaia

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418 — The Well-Rounded Woman With Natasha Kingsbury Oct 06, 2026

Show notes

Rather than struggle for perfection, analytical psychologist Carl Jung believes being a well-rounded man/woman is a better, smarter and healthier goal in life.

So, what exactly are the traits of a well-rounded woman? Paul explores what that means in today’s world with wife, mother and painter Natasha Kingsbury (her husband is the amazing Kyle Kingsbury) who keeps her mind wide open to new possibilities this week on Spirit Gym.

Check out Natasha and her family on Instagram. Contact Natasha through her husband’s Kingsbu website. Download a PDF of Natasha’s amazing art she and Paul discuss toward the end of their conversation at this link.

Timestamps

5:45 If you could go back in time, would you change anything about your past?

10:35 Natasha’s introduction to plant medicines.

21:14 Meridians and bee/wasp stings.

27:29 Natasha’s first painting of a human being — Paul — was a perfect one.

36:46 “I’ve found it’s easier to do deeper healing work if you have a healthy, stable woman with you.”

42:21 Natasha’s worldview: Prepare for the future.

58:27 Balance.

1:11:05 “I want [my kids] to hear both sides of an issue.”

1:27:18 Over the past decade, Natasha has learned more about her body and how it works than ever before.

1:39:09 Red Tent rituals.

1:46:20 Natasha recommends The Four Agreements by Don Miguel Ruiz as a great postpartum book for women.

2:04:33 The version of open relationships for Natasha and Kyle was very different than others.

2:09:07 Natasha and Kyle return to monogamy and learned not to overshare so much.

2:31:17 The 18-month honeymoon phase of a relationship is real.

2:43:10 What art means to Natasha.

2:47:51 Natasha sits with God when she paints.

2:52:22 Natasha shares some of her paintings she gifts to others.

3:00:36 The snow leopard connection.

3:09:12 Natasha knows the gender of your baby before she/he is born.

3:18:18 “All of my friends know I want crow friends.”

Resources

Thus Spoke The Plant by Monica Gagliano and Suzanne Simard

The Secret Life of Plants documentary on YouTube

The Secret Life of Plants by Peter Tompkins and Christopher Bird

Primary Perception: Biocommunication With Plants, Living Foods and Human Cells by Cleve Backster

The Ever-Present Origin Part 1 by Jean Gebser

Nonviolent Communication: The Basics As I Know and Use Them by Wayland Myers

The work of Rowena Kryder

Paul’s podcast conversations with Aubrey Marcus and Kyle Kingsbury, Dr. Keith Witt, Emily Abbott and Mike Salemi

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417 — Surprising Nutrition Truths No One Told You Until Now With Dr. Autumn Smith Sep 29, 2026

Show notes

It’s just a fact that people are far more tuned into current events — AI, data centers, bad TV shows and politics — while their eyes are glued to their mobile phones than what they put in their mouths, thus putting their health at a far greater risk than ever before.

The bigger problem: There’s a wealth of research that shows how and why eating nutrient-rich organic food and grass-fed meats really matters but few know about it outside the realm of research.

Dr. Autumn Smith, co-founder of Paleovalley and Wild Pastures, shares what she’s learned about glycine (one of the most overlooked nutrients in modern nutrition), brain nutrition and what you should be avoiding this week on Spirit Gym.

Download Autumn’s presentation she shares during her Spirit Gym conversation with Paul — The Glycine Gap — at this link.

Learn more about Autumn’s inspiring journey on YouTube and watch her eight-part ReThink Meat series here. Follow Autumn on social media via Instagram, TikTok and YouTube. Watch/listen to her ReThink Health podcast at the Paleovalley website, YouTube, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get them.

For Living 4D listeners: Check out Paleovalley’s sister company Wild Pastures and their amazing variety wild-caught seafood, pasture-raised chicken and pork and 100 percent grass-fed and finished beef. Sign up for a home delivery subscription and save 20 percent off for life along with free shipping and $15 on your first order. And, don’t forget to save 15 percent on any Paleovalley products you buy at this link.

Timestamps

8:21 What is glycine?

13:25 Who has the highest levels of glycine in their bodies: Vegans or carnivores?

18:03 The lack of glycine spurs faster aging.

24:10 Rend mode versus mend mode.

31:51 Autumn’s obsession with the many positive ways the brain interacts with nutrition.

39:00 The power of three.

45:43 Low plasma glycine: A very consistent biomarker of insulin resistance.

56:04 What’s more effective: Getting more glycine in a supplement or food?

59:45 Common questions about glycine.

1:05:35 Have you tried a bone broth fast?

1:10:26 Autumn shares the results of her work with Dr. Stephan Van Vliet on the Beef Nutrient Density Project.

1:13:33 The Omega-3 Index, the benefits of eating pasture-raised/grass-fed animals and the wisdom of your body.

1:21:51 Could mercury warnings for pregnant women be doing more harm than good?

1:25:53 Brain nutrition is so poor, could average IQs drop sharply over the next four decades?

1:36:04 Are you eating too much liver?

1:44:25 How you can be fooled by Generally Recognized as Safe (GRAS) laws.

1:49:27 Does the citric acid in your food come from mold?

1:53:55 Lab-grown meats.

1:59:08 The spread of data centers and how it could affect our health.

2:06:20 Wild Pastures Burger Co. is growing!

Resources

The Glycine Miracle: The Science of Living Long and Free from Inflammation by Dr. Joel Brind

Pyroptosis

Autumn’s conversation with Dr. Joel Brind on her ReThink Health podcast

The Shrinking Brain: Mental Health is affected by poor brain nutrition by Michael Crawford and David E. Marsh

Methionine

Cellular senescence

The work of Stephanie Seneff, Dr. Dietrich Klinghardt, Dr. Joseph Hibbeln and Dr. Bill Harris

Autumn’s work on the Journal of Animal Science study, Nutritional composition of beef: a comparison of commercial North-American grass- and grain-finishing systems

DHA

Autumn’s conversation with Dr. Anthony Hulbert about achieving Omega balance on her ReThink Health podcast

Oneness vs. the 1% by Vandana and Kartikey Shiva

Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Ibrahim Karim, Dolf Zantinge and Dr. Robert Gilbert

How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy 20th Anniversary Edition

The Great Plant-Based Con by Jayne Buxton

The Web of Meaning: Integrating Science and Traditional Wisdom to Find Our Place in the Universe by Jeremy Lent

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416 — Stop Treating Pain Like the Enemy With Leigh Brandon Sep 22, 2026

Show notes

Your relationship with pain probably goes one of the two ways…

Most people take the conventional route and try to obliterate it with drugs and extreme treatments they may not need (that can hurt them even more than the pain itself). In many cases, their relationship with pain defines who they are.

Paul and senior CHEK instructor Leigh Brandon, author of Beyond the Pain: A Whole-Person Approach to Understanding Pain and Participating in Recovery, explore a very different and holistic relationship with pain, one that doesn’t treat it like an enemy but a vital source of information about your body this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Leigh and his work at his website. Find him on social media via Instagram, Twitter/X and TikTok. Check out Leigh’s podcast, Beyond the Pain, on YouTube, Apple Podcasts and wherever you listen to them. Read the first chapter of Beyond the Pain at this link.

For Spirit Gym listeners: Download Leigh’s paper, The Load Capacity Hierarchy Model of Chronic Pain: A Systems Based Framework for Understanding Pain and Guiding Clinical Practice, today!

Timestamps

4:54 Why Leigh felt compelled to write a book about pain.

6:46 More UK adults suffer from chronic pain than Americans, depending on the studies you read.

14:43 The double-whammy of taking a painkiller and medication for depression.

16:44 One of Leigh’s worst experiences with pain that took him 22 months to diagnose, treat and heal.

27:13 Do you have a pain identity?

31:39 Miasms (trapped emotions).

36:39 Why people treat pain as their enemy.

44:12 Treating fear as different emotions.

50:21 Proprioception.

1:03:30 Pain is far more diverse and complex than most people realize.

1:10:30 The four predominant causes of persistent pain that interact with each other, based on Leigh’s experience (structural, metabolic, nervous system regulation and emotional load).

1:15:08 People are so addicted to mobile phones, they use them in saunas!

1:22:40 Leigh narrows down his knee inflammation to eating porridge every morning for breakfast.

1:31:30 Viscerosomatic reflexes.

1:41:02 When we can make meaning and understand our pain, it raises our threshold and we are better able to live our lives.

1:54:23 Leigh’s six principles of recovery.

2:02:27 Pain exists as a vital path of communication and a safety valve that doesn’t always guarantee painful problems.

Resources

Anatomy of Sports Injuries for Fitness and Rehabilitation by Leigh Brandon

Anatomy for Strength and Fitness Training For Speed by Leigh Brandon

Anatomy For Yoga For Posture and Health by Leigh Brandon

Eliminating Adult Acne for Good by Leigh Brandon

The Tennis Biomechanics Manual by Leigh Brandon and Paul Chek

MRSA infections

The CHEK Totem Pole

Wall & Melzak’s Textbook of Pain by Stephen B. McMahon, Martin Koltzdenburg, Irene Tracey and Dennis Turk

Novak Djokovic: The Wolf in Winter

The work of Dr. John Sarno and Mariano Rocabado

Paul’s podcast conversations with Danny Way, Dr. Ibrahim Karim, Doreya Karim and Angie Chek

The Body Electric: Electromagnetism and the Foundation of Life by Robert Becker and Gary Selden

How to Eat, Move and Be Healthy! 20th anniversary edition

Nonviolent Communication: The Basics As I Know and Use Them by Wayland Myers

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415 — Healing Inherited Family Trauma With Mark Wolynn Sep 15, 2026

Show notes

In his first conversation with Paul, Mark Wolynn shared his personal journey that led him to become a renowned authority on inherited trauma and write a best-selling book about it.

Mark returns to talk about his recently revised landmark book, It Didn’t Start With You, and a new workbook that accompanies it and to describe how our DNA and genes are affected by trauma across generations this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Mark and his Inherited Family Trauma Training Program and workshops along with booking a private session with him on his website. You’ll also find him on Facebook and Instagram. If you need help, contact Giovanna Taormina for a list of practitioners Mark has trained.

Timestamps

9:13 Despite writing a book on generational trauma, Mark’s work with clients mainly focuses on attachment trauma.

11:02 “Throw away the old book!”

18:45 While some pay attention to attachment styles, Mark looks at breaks between people and how they function.

25:27 Describing generational trauma.

32:00 The first case that taught Mark how to look for inherited family trauma and changed his life 30 years ago.

40:57 Where does this deeply traumatic information reside?

49:12 How our DNA and genes are affected by trauma across generations.

52:49 Mark describes the trauma experience from a spiritual perspective.

1:03:50 Mark’s psychotic break at age 24 was the beginning of his healing and how he began helping others.

1:08:45 Mark regains his eyesight after healing his trauma inherited from his mother and grandparents.

1:12:36 Paul’s inherited trauma.

1:24:27 How many generations of inherited trauma could humans carry?

1:32:19 “Our inhumanity toward others is often a mirror of our own inhumanity toward ourselves.”

1:42:04 Mark’s core sentence tool in action.

1:49:37 Positive traits can be transferred and inherited among generations too.

1:56:31 Examples of verbal and non-verbal trauma language.

2:01:31 Mark’s The Official It Didn’t Start With You Workbook is designed to be used whether you read his book or not.

2:13:16 Every day, take a few moments to pause and take inventory of what you’re feeling and, especially, the divine nature within you.

Resources

It Didn’t Start With You by Mark Wolynn

The Official It Didn’t Start With You Workbook by Mark Wolynn

Trichotillomania

The work of Bert Hellinger, Dr. Isabelle Mansuy and Dr. Rachel Yehuda

Paul’s podcast conversation with Diane Poole Heller

Morphic Resonance and Morphic Fields: An Introduction by Rupert Sheldrake

Healing With Haiku: A Poetic Exploration of Self by Anne Helfer

Brainstorm: The Power and Purpose of the Teenage Brain by Dr. Daniel Siegel

The Biology of Transcendence by Joseph Chilton Pearce

A Practical Guide to Vibrational Medicine: Energy Healing and Spiritual Transformation by Richard Gerber

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414 — Detox Your Body, Mind and Life With Angie Chek Sep 08, 2026

Show notes

So many people and companies sell miracle products and supplements that claim to detox your body from the harm of everyday living that it’s really hard to know the difference between fact and fiction.
Certified Nutritionist, CHEK Faculty member and shamanic-trained coach and consultant, Angie Chek joins Paul to share their philosophies about safe detox protocols and explain why too much of a good thing can become a bad thing this week on Spirit Gym.

Find Angie online at angiesworld.com, where you can also book a free 15-minute consultation to learn more about working with her in person or virtually to discuss detox strategies or any health issues.

For Spirit Gym listeners: Check out the DesBio product line of supplements and detox products Angie talks about during the podcast at the DBscript website. To purchase products on the website, register at this link. Save 10 percent on any purchase you make on the website by using the promo code PAULCHEK10 at checkout.

Timestamps

3:23 Toxic statistics.

11:39 The detoxification process in your body.

19:19 Liposuction.

21:44 Organs that detoxify your body.

28:21 The relationship between your organs and emotions.

38:39 Your environment (indoor and outdoor) can be toxic too.

46:28 Are chloramines in your drinking water?

52:09 What’s really in your supplements?

1:00:07 The toxic chemicals hiding in plastic containers.

1:05:54 Pollution your body feels from light, noise, Wi-Fi routers and 5G towers (EMFs).

1:15:21 “What you put in your mouth you have full control over…”

1:30:02 Angie’s annual Christmas gift for Penny and Paul.

1:42:09 Nature as the ultimate detox.

1:52:01 Are you detoxing too much?

2:00:02 Try a 30-day social media detox.

2:05:11 BioGeometry.

Resources

Body for Life

How Emotions Are Made: The Secret Life of the Brain by Lisa Barrett

The Environmental Working Group’s (EWG) consumer guides

EWG’s full lists of the Clean 15 and Dirty Dozen foods

King Corn (movie)

Optimize: A Groundbreaking 7-Step Plan to Health and Longevity Through Quantum Biology by Dr. Catherine Clinton

The work of L. Ron Hubbard

The Safe Shoppers Bible by David Steinman and Samuel Epstein

Paul’s podcast conversations with Dr. Catherine Clinton, Doreya Karim, Jason Pickard, Sayer Ji, Wade Lightheart and Matt Gallant, Dr. Ibrahim Karim and Dr. Robert Gilbert

Farmers of Forty Centuries: Organic Farming in China, Korea and Japan by F.H. King

Switch: How to Change Things When Change is Hard by Chip and Dan Heath

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413 — Was Jesus a Myth? With Sean O’Laoire Sep 01, 2026

Show notes

Most people believe in Jesus as a savior who shared parables, performed miracles and died for our sins during his brief life.

But is that really true?

For the longest time, Paul had tried to connect with Jesus yet came up empty until recently when his soul led him to Jesus, the man not of the Bible.

Paul and Sean O’Laoire examine the life of Jesus from very different and complementary perspectives that may encourage you to reconsider what you think about myth and the Bible this week on Spirit Gym.

Learn more about Sean at his Spirits in Spacesuits website. Find him on social media via Facebook, Instagram and YouTube.

Timestamps

11:05 Epistemology, ontology and cosmology.

15:28 Was Jesus a product of Jesus mythicism (Christ myth theory)?

19:38 What modern historians DO agree on about the life of Jesus.

31:08 The difference between wisdom and knowledge.

34:56 Mythish: Sacred wisdom shared in story form.

40:20 The use of metaphor.

52:09 “When power becomes available, morality goes out the window.”

1:05:30 Prosopon.

1:17:27 A cohort of souls.

1:27:11 Sean is one of few people Paul thinks about the most, especially when he gets very irritated at Christianity.