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**Song Revolution with John Chisum**

The Song Revolution Podcast exists to empower you through valuable songwriting insights, inspiration, and interviews with some of the greatest songwriters, producers, arrangers, artists, and creatives in the industry and beyond. Find out more at nashvillechristiansongwriters.com

Latest Episodes:

DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care Oct 27, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Host: John Chisum

Episode Title: DAWN & STEVE: Faith, Radio, and Soul Care

Episode Summary:

In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum turns the tables and welcomes longtime radio hosts Dawn Ray May and Steve Hiller, formerly of Moody Radio and now co-hosts of the Dawn and Steve Plus podcast. With decades of experience in Christian radio, Dawn and Steve share stories of their broadcasting journeys, memorable interviews with iconic artists, and the lessons they've learned about faith, resilience, and community. The conversation also dives deep into mental health, soul care, and why creating safe spaces for healing is central to their new podcast ministry.

What You'll Learn:

How Dawn and Steve built careers in Christian radio.
Memorable stories from interviews with artists like Stephen Curtis Chapman, Jeremy Camp, and Twila Paris.
The shift from radio to podcasting and the freedom it brings.
Dawn's personal journey through grief, trauma, and healing after her father's death.
Why mental health and soul care are at the heart of their podcast.
The importance of safe community, counseling, and practical soul care for Christians today.

Key Topics & Highlights:

The power of radio and music ministry – how songs and interviews shaped their years at Moody.
From radio to podcasting – navigating the challenges and new freedoms of digital media.
Personal story of loss and healing – Dawn's testimony of finding hope through counseling after trauma.
Breaking stigma in the church – honest conversations about counseling, mental health, and faith.
Addiction, connection, and boundaries – insights from their counselor guest, Phil Herndon.
The mission of Dawn and Steve Plus – encouraging, inspiring, and pointing listeners to Jesus through honest, hope-filled dialogue.

Final Takeaway:

Dawn and Steve's story is one of resilience, faith, and obedience. From years in radio to launching a podcast focused on soul care and the gospel, they remind us that God can use every part of our story—our gifts, our pain, and our healing—to encourage and build up others.

Resources & Links:

Keep up with Dawn & Steve

www.dawnandsteveplus.com

Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com

Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

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CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender Oct 20, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Host: John Chisum

Episode Title: CLARK BECKHAM: American Idol Finalist on Songwriting & Surrender

Episode Summary:

In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum welcomes singer-songwriter, musician, and American Idol finalist Clark Beckham. Known for his soulful voice and authentic artistry, Clark shares his journey from small-town beginnings to national recognition and beyond. The conversation dives deep into the balance between ambition and surrender, the lessons learned from rejection and waiting, and how faith anchors him through every season of the creative process.

Clark opens up about his experiences in the spotlight, the realities of the music industry, and how staying grounded in God's timing has reshaped his approach to songwriting. He also discusses how true artistry comes from honesty, craftsmanship, and humility rather than chasing trends or fame.

What You'll Learn:

Clark's journey from church musician to American Idol finalist
How fame and faith intersect in a culture of instant success
Why patience and humility are essential in the creative process
The importance of writing songs that come from truth, not pressure
Lessons learned about identity, calling, and creative stewardship
How to balance musical ambition with spiritual contentment

Key Topics & Highlights:

Early beginnings – discovering music in the church and learning multiple instruments
The American Idol experience – highs, challenges, and how it shaped Clark's character
Faith through waiting – trusting God's timing when dreams seem delayed
Songwriting as honesty – why vulnerability and craft outweigh hype and algorithms
Navigating the industry – what Clark learned about labels, fame, and staying authentic
Spiritual maturity in art – how surrender leads to stronger songs and deeper peace
Creating from overflow – writing songs from what God is doing in your life, not for validation

Final Takeaway:

Clark Beckham's story is a reminder that success in music—and in life—isn't about speed or visibility but about faithfulness. God's timing is perfect, and the songs that last are born from honesty, surrender, and a heart that trusts Him fully.

Resources & Links:

Follow Clark Beckham on Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/clarkbeckham/

Visit Clark's website: clarkbeckham.com

Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation Oct 13, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Host: John Chisum

Episode Title: MIA FIELDES: Writing From Revelation

Episode Summary

In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum sits down with acclaimed songwriter and worship leader Mia Fieldes, whose songs have been recorded by artists like Lauren Daigle, Zach Williams, Phil Wickham, Kim Walker-Smith, and many more. From growing up in poverty and seasons of homelessness to becoming one of the most prolific voices in modern worship, Mia shares how faith, perseverance, and gratitude have shaped her journey. With honesty and humor, she opens up about her songwriting process, contending for miracles, and the importance of stewarding your gifts with diligence.

What You'll Learn:

How Mia overcame early hardships and developed unshakable faith.
Why gratitude is a key to unlocking God's promises.
The story behind writing Chain Breaker with Zach Williams.
Why being a specialist is vital for songwriters.
How to balance inspiration, discipline, and co-writing partnerships.
Why faith should sometimes feel "offensive" in a culture of self-reliance.

Key Topics & Highlights:

Gratitude as a lifestyle – learning to thank God as an access point to His promises.
Developing your craft – why excellence and hard work matter more than talent alone.
Writing from revelation – how songs like Fierce and Tremble were born from real-life moments and prayers.
Faith as a muscle – how persevering through trials strengthens belief.
Stewardship in songwriting – becoming a "specialist" rather than a generalist.
Miracle stories – contending for healing, children, and breakthrough despite impossibility.
The bigger calling – why your life mission goes beyond music and how to carry faith into every moment.

Final Takeaway:

Mia's story is a testimony of resilience, faith, and the power of stewarding your gifts well. Her journey reminds us that God can, He will, and He wants to—and that our agreement with His promises can change everything.

Resources & Links:

Follow Mia Fieldes on Instagram

https://www.instagram.com/miafieldes/reels/?hl=en

Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com

Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

JOHN CHISUM: Does God Really Give You Songs? Oct 06, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Hosts: John Chisum & Bryant Urich

Episode Title: Does God Really Give You Songs?

Episode Summary: In this thought-provoking episode of Song Revolution, hosts John Chisum and Bryant Urich tackle one of the most frequently asked—and often misunderstood—questions among songwriters: Does God really give you songs?

As Nashville Christian Songwriters celebrates its 10th anniversary, John and Bryant reflect on thousands of conversations with writers over the years who have wrestled with this very idea. Together, they unpack the difference between divine inspiration and developed craft, the tension between personal meaning and commercial viability, and how comparison and expectations can distort the creative process.

With honesty and humor, John and Bryant explore how to honor inspiration while still doing the hard work of rewriting, editing, and learning the skills that make songs accessible, singable, and lasting.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

Why so many writers say, "God gave me this song"
The difference between inspiration and craftsmanship
How comparison with big-name writers can hinder your growth
Why singability, hooks, and editing matter in songwriting
The role of influence and platform in a song's success
Why humility and stewardship are essential for every songwriter

Key Topics & Highlights:

John's 3,000+ conversations with aspiring songwriters over 10 years
The sensitive nature of claiming "God gave me this song"
How inspiration often comes through our own skills, training, and background
Why accessibility and clarity make songs "sticky" and memorable
The influence of platforms like Hillsong, Bethel, and Chris Tomlin on worship music
The difference between good songs and commercial songs
Why one song can launch a ministry—but many songs may never leave your journal
The importance of being open to rewriting and receiving feedback
Why personal transformation through songwriting is as important as public impact

Final Takeaway: Yes, God does inspire songs—but inspiration alone doesn't make you a great songwriter. True growth comes from humility, stewardship, and developing your craft so that the songs God births in you can reach and impact others.

Resources & Links:

Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com

Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover Sep 29, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Hosts: Claire Bacon, Bryant Urich, Chris Crenshaw, Kyle Kicker, and Jack Landis

Episode Title: STAFF EDITION: NCS Staff Takeover

Episode Summary: In this special episode of Song Revolution, the microphones are turned toward the Nashville Christian Songwriters staffas the team celebrates NCS's upcoming 10-year anniversary. With John Chisum away on vacation, Claire, Bryant, Chris, Kyle, and Jack take over to share their stories, talk about their paths to NCS, and give listeners a glimpse of the unique personalities that make up the heart of the organization.

From music industry journeys and Springfield connections, to rapid-fire fun questions like "Is cereal a soup?"—this episode is equal parts insightful and entertaining. Along the way, the team reflects on their own defining moments in music, the role of community, and why they love serving songwriters through NCS.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

How each NCS team member found their way into music and ministry
The "Springfield theory" and why so many of the team come from a Springfield
Defining moments that sparked a love for music and creativity
How NCS serves songwriters through publishing, coaching, community, and production
The highs and lows of today's music industry and what the future may hold
Lighthearted team banter, rapid-fire questions, and behind-the-scenes laughs

Key Topics & Highlights:

Jack's journey from interning at NCS to joining the team full-time
Chris's background as a youth pastor, event organizer, and touring drummer
Claire's path from Bethel Music and label work to NCS publishing and project management
Kyle's experiences as a worship pastor and band member before moving to Nashville
Bryant's early Nashville days, publishing insights, and role in building the NCS community
The Springfield, Ohio/Missouri connection and its surprising role in the team's stories
Honest reflections on the realities of today's streaming-driven music business
Fun debates: doors vs. wheels, cereal as soup, and musician pet peeves

Final Takeaway: Behind every great song is a community of people who believe in its potential. The NCS team exists to serve, support, and encourage songwriters from all walks of life, proving that creativity thrives best in connection.

Resources & Links:

Learn more about Nashville Christian Songwriters: nashvillechristiansongwriters.com

Join the NCS Community for coaching, resources, and connection

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music Sep 22, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Host: John Chisum

Episode Title: ANDREW GREER: Mysticism, Minimalism, and Music

Episode Summary

In this episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum welcomes back singer-songwriter, producer, and filmmaker Andrew Greer for another deep and thought-provoking conversation. From literature and scripture to mysticism, minimalism, and music, John and Andrew explore how faith, creativity, and a posture of humility shape our art and our lives.

Andrew shares about his move from Nashville to the small town of Plains, Georgia, and how a slower pace has opened up new margins for community and creativity. Together they wrestle with ideas of certainty, control, and judgment in faith, drawing wisdom from mystics, the Civil Rights Movement, and Andrew's latest record, Songs from the Dark.

If you've ever struggled with doubt, wrestled with control, or wondered how to connect your spiritual life more deeply to your art, this conversation is for you.

What You'll Learn in This Episode

Why Andrew believes books and literature fuel creativity and songwriting
How mystics like Thomas Merton and Meister Eckhart influence faith and art
The danger of certainty in faith and how doubt actually strengthens belief
Lessons from the Civil Rights Movement on humility, justice, and love
Andrew's songwriting process behind Songs from the Dark
The power of laying down judgment and control to live in freedom

Key Topics & Highlights

Books & Spiritual Reading

Andrew and John discuss the influence of authors like Thomas Merton, Mother Teresa, NT Wright, and Richard Foster.
The value of memoirs and literature in opening perspectives beyond scripture alone.
Scripture itself as mystery and mysticism, especially in the Gospels and books of wisdom.

Mysticism & Faith

The infinite nature of God and our being—living forever as an endless journey of discovery.
Faith as uncertainty and openness rather than rigid certainty.
Letting go of control, judgment, and resistance to embrace communion with God and others.

Justice, Prejudice & Love

Reflections on the Civil Rights Movement and Andrew Young's example of radical love.
Loving our enemies as a revolutionary act of following Jesus.
Challenging cultural and religious biases that distort the Gospel's radical call to love.

Creativity & Inspiration

How reading literature and scripture fuels songwriting and artistic expression.
Music as communion with God, often born out of darkness, mystery, and unknowing.
Andrew's latest album Songs from the Dark, including tracks "Rescue Me" and "Hands," which emerged from conflict, grief, and the pandemic.

Suffering, Presence & Surrender

John shares his heart attack experience and practicing "being with the pain" instead of resisting it.
The grace of letting go of resistance and shame, allowing God's presence even in suffering.

Final Thought

This conversation reminds us that faith and creativity both thrive in openness, mystery, and surrender—not certainty or control. Whether through books, music, or life's hardest experiences, God continually invites us into deeper communion, where judgment gives way to love, and darkness can give birth to unexpected light.

Resources & Links:

Connect with Andrew Greer:

andrew-greer.com

NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

JOHN CHISUM: Inside Music Publishing Sep 15, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich

Episode Title: Inside Music Publishing

Episode Summary: In this episode of Song Revolution, John Chisum is joined by Claire Bacon and Bryant Urich from the NCS team for a lively and practical discussion on music publishing. Together, they break down the difference between creative and administrative publishing, share behind-the-scenes stories from Claire's time at Bethel Music, and explore how co-writing, retreats, and publishing support can shape a songwriter's career.

The conversation also dives into the DIY side of publishing—what it means to take control of your rights and royalties, how to avoid getting lost in the sea of mediocre songs released every day, and why honing your craft is essential if you want to stand out.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

The difference between creative and administrative publishing
Why pairing the right writers together makes or breaks a song
Stories from Claire's experience interning at Bethel Music
The role of writing retreats and camps in developing strong songs
How to DIY your publishing if you don't have a company backing you
Why focusing on quality and intentionality helps your songs stand out

Key Topics & Highlights:

Claire's journey from MTSU to Bethel Music to NCS
The matchmaking side of creative publishing and how it shapes songwriting sessions
How NCS retreats create powerful co-writing opportunities
The challenge of standing out among millions of songs released each year
Avoiding vague lyrics and writing with genre and purpose in mind
Favorite songwriters and the impact of writers like Mia Fieldes, Cody Carnes, and Benjamin William Hastings

Final Takeaway: Music publishing is more than contracts and royalties—it's about connection, collaboration, and ensuring your songs have the best chance to thrive. Whether through a publisher or by learning the DIY path, understanding the business side of songwriting is just as important as mastering the craft.

Resources & Links:

NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

ANDREW GREER: Songwriting and Storytelling Sep 08, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Episode Title: ANDREW GREER (part 1): Songwriting and Storytelling

Host: John Chisum

Episode Summary: In this rich and heartfelt conversation, John welcomes singer-songwriter, producer, author, and documentarian Andrew Greer to Song Revolution. From his early days growing up in Texas with music all around him, to his time at Belmont University, and now as a respected artist and filmmaker, Andrew shares how music has always been more than sound—it has been a divine meeting point and a lifelong connection to God.

Andrew opens up about discovering music as collaboration with the Creator, the spiritual weight of art, and how songwriters and storytellers carry the yearning for belonging and acceptance. He and John dive into the mystery of creativity, the intersection of sacred and "secular" art, and the role of music in healing, connection, and co-creation with God.

This first part of the interview also explores Andrew's reflections on growing up with thoughtful parents, his deep love for liner notes, the importance of songwriting beyond categories, and the spiritual resonance of great artists from Joni Mitchell to Roberta Flack.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

Andrew's early encounter with music and its connection to faith
How music serves as collaboration with our Creator
The difference between original sin and original virtue in shaping our lives
Why songwriting is about more than "Christian" or "secular" categories
How great art and music point us toward belonging and acceptance
Andrew's insights on the indie music landscape and why it's a great time for creators

Key Topics & Highlights:

The spiritual role of music as connection and belonging
How Andrew discovered a calling for songwriting and storytelling at an early age
The influence of his parents and church community on shaping his worldview
Why labeling art as sacred vs. secular often misses the deeper point
Stories from Andrew's journey at Belmont University and launching into music
Insights on how artists like Joni Mitchell, Roberta Flack, and others shaped his perspective
Why vulnerability and honesty in songwriting resonate more deeply than formulas

Final Takeaway: At its heart, music is not about categories or success—it is about connection. Whether writing songs, producing stories, or simply listening, music offers us a chance to collaborate with God and remind one another that we belong.

Resources & Links:

Explore Andrew Greer's work:

https://www.andrew-greer.com/

NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

JOHN CHISUM: Music Publishing in 2025 Sep 01, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Hosts: John Chisum, Claire Bacon, & Bryant Urich

Episode Title: Music Publishing in 2025

Episode Summary: Season 3 of Song Revolution continues with a practical and eye-opening conversation on one of the most misunderstood topics in the music industry: publishing. Hosts John Chisum, Claire Bacon, and Bryant Urich break down what publishing really means in 2025, how it has changed from the traditional gatekeeper model of the past, and why understanding it is essential for every songwriter.

From copyright protection to royalty collection, from self-publishing to partnering with a publisher, this episode offers clarity and encouragement to help you take control of your songs and your future. If you've ever wondered whether you need a publisher, how to register your songs, or how to build the right relationships in the industry, this discussion will give you practical steps forward.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

The difference between copyright and publishing
How publishing has evolved from gatekeepers to digital access
The two sides of publishing: administration vs. creative development
Why many songwriters choose self-publishing today
What publishers actually do for songwriters
How to know if you're ready for a publishing deal
Why relationships matter more than cold submissions
How to find community and connection no matter where you live

Key Topics and Highlights:

John's early Nashville days and the old gatekeeper model of publishing
Claire's experience developing writers and matching them in the right rooms
Bryant's perspective on band publishing and handling royalties as a group
The importance of building your own foundation before seeking a publisher
How marketing and publishing have become two separate tracks
Practical steps every songwriter can take on their own: registering songs, networking, showcasing your work, and learning the basics of copyright

Memorable Quotes from the Episode:

"Copyright is about protection. Publishing is about getting your song out there." "A publisher's job is to elevate what you're already doing—not create it for you." "So much of making music today is DIY, and that's a good thing." "Publishing isn't just about royalties—it's about relationships."

Final Takeaway: You don't need a publisher to get started, but you do need to understand publishing. By learning the basics, building relationships, and developing your craft, you'll be ready when the right opportunities come.

Resources & Links:

NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/

MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice Aug 25, 2025

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Song Revolution Podcast – Season 3

Hosts: John Chisum

Episode Title: MADALYN ROSE: Forgiveness, Faith, and Finding Your Voice

Episode Summary: In this heartfelt episode of Song Revolution, host John Chisum sits down in Moab, Utah, with emerging singer-songwriter Madalyn Rose to talk about her journey through personal loss, rebuilding her life, and finding healing through songwriting. From her Montana roots to worship leading in Colorado, Madalyn shares how grief, forgiveness, and faith have shaped both her music and her outlook on life.

The conversation dives deep into the stories behind her songs, including "See What Grows," a reflection on the power of letting go, and "Who You Leave Behind," written for her church's legacy series. With honesty and warmth, Madalyn recounts pivotal moments—like singing with Allen Stone at the Heaven on Earth Festival—that affirmed her calling and opened unexpected doors.

What You'll Learn in This Episode:

How personal tragedy can shape songwriting and deepen artistry

Why forgiveness is key to emotional and spiritual freedom

The backstory of "See What Grows" and "Who You Leave Behind"

How to stay open to God's leading in creative and personal decisions

The role of community and connection in sustaining an artist's journey

Why saying "yes" to small promptings can lead to life-changing moments

Key Topics and Highlights:

Navigating the loss of her mother and the breakdown of her marriage in the same season
Choosing forgiveness over bitterness and the spiritual transformation it sparked
The inspiration and meaning behind "See What Grows"
How a leap of faith at the Heaven on Earth Festival led to performing with Allen Stone
Balancing worship leading, songwriting, and motherhood
The story of receiving a dream guitar through an unexpected act of generosity
Trusting God to weave together opportunities and connections in His timing

Quotes from the Episode:

"Forgiveness is the only path to freedom we have." "I didn't mean it when I said it, but the Lord started doing a work in my heart." "God saved me from building up walls."

Final Takeaway: Your story, no matter how painful, can become a song that touches others. By choosing forgiveness, staying tenderhearted, and following God's quiet nudges, you open the door for beauty to grow from brokenness.

Resources & Links:

Follow Madalyn Rose on Instagram: @iammadalynrose

Listen to Madalyn's music on Spotify & Apple Music under Madalyn Rose

https://linktr.ee/madalynnrosemusic

NashvilleChristianSongwriters.com

Join the NCS 2025 Songwriting Challenge – Download the free 31-page guide https://courses.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/challenge2025

Explore NCS Community and membership options https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-community

NCS Collective: Check out our artists!

https://www.nashvillechristiansongwriters.com/ncs-collective/