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    Natural Sciences

    Soil Sense

    Welcome to the Soil Sense Podcast, where we believe that building healthier soils is not just a prescription, but rather a pursuit. This journey requires collaboration, curiosity, and communication among farmers, agricultural researchers, agronomists, consultants, and extension. You’re going to hear their stories and discover how and why they’re working together to make sense out of what’s happening in the soil.

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    Farmers Supporting Each Other to Build Healthier Soils Mar 23, 2020
    Show notes

    Tyler Zimmerman and Chris Walberg share their journey towards soil health building practices on their farms. Tyler began learning about no-till practices and their benefits about 5 years ago. Over that time he has found support and many resources as he continues learning and executing soil health practices.

    “When you turn the soil up, there’s roots and worms and biology just going on in there that when you walk to the field next to you that has been conventionally tilled and you don’t find any of that….its night and day difference just across the road from one field to the next.” - Tyler Zimmerman

    Tyler shared his findings and experiences with his childhood friend, neighbor, and fellow farmer, Chris Walberg. Chris began to slowly “dabble” in no-till after seeing Tyler’s success and quickly found success of his own.

    “You have a success that you can keep building on. I guess that was kind of a bit of an eye opener for us, that no-till can work.” Chris Walberg

    Tyler found that one of the big challenges to no-till is that it requires a higher “patience level.” You need to be able to wait for the soil to be “the right temperature and dry” where as a neighbor practicing tillage might not need to do the same.

    In order to further expand on their no-till practices Chris and Tyler collaborated to buy an air drill together. Both men have observed the soil health movement gain a lot of “momentum in the last few years” and are excited about what the future holds. While not everyone is radically changing their practices to build healthier soils, “they are certainly hearing about it and reading about it.”

    Between sharing information, equipment and ideas, Tyler and Chris are looking forward to continuing the expansion of their soil health building efforts. This collaboration and comradery has “made farming fun” for both and will likely continue to do so.

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Meet farmers Tyler Zimmerman and Chris Walberg
    • See how they were both introduced to no-till practices and the benefits they have observed
    • Learn about their collaborative efforts and the benefits that has provided them
    • Explore where their future efforts will lead them

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Worms, Water, and Soil Health Research in Action Mar 16, 2020
    Show notes

    Today we focus on how agricultural research experiments actually happens in practice.

    Nate Derby and Rod Utter are both Research Specialists with North Dakota State University. Nate shares his experience with researching soil physics and the movement of water through the field. Rod Utter discusses his expertise from years of researching the life cycle and origin of earthworms.

    Both guests have done work with the SHARE (Soil Health and Agriculture Research Extension) Farm. While they mostly work on different projects, they bring a unique insight as those that are working with field scale ag research.

    While earthworms may not be considered an obvious top factor in farming production values, they provide far more benefit than composting and fish bait to the general public. Different species have adapted to different environments and different food sources making some more beneficial than others to farming especially in North Dakota.

    ”The earthworms themselves do a nice job. They create a lot of pore space for other organisms to go through, they turnover organic matter in the soil and on the surface they make nitrogen and phosphorus more available.” - Rod Utter

    Vast amounts of soil samples and water samples are collected to further evaluate the soil on the SHARE farm and how it is affected by different practices. While the main focus of Nate’s research has been on no-till practices, he has also been able to monitor salinity and the effects of adding tile drainage to limit the reach of the water table.

    “It just takes time. I think the longer you can monitor something like that, you’re going to continue to see changes.” - Nate Derby

    Nate and Rod are able to use each other’s findings to create a more comprehensive assessment of the soil health and the effects different practices have on it. They have verified that different salinity levels directly affect the worm populations and how quickly they can infiltrate a field and provide their benefit.

    “Related to worms on the SHARE Farm….they are moving in somewhat from the edges and that correlates pretty well with what we’ve been seeing with the salts on the surface.” -Nate Derby

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Meet Nate Derby and Rod Utter, two scientists working on the SHARE Farm
    • Learn the origin and benefits of earthworm populations in North Dakota
    • See how different experiments are overlapping and creating a more cohesive understanding of soil health
    • Explore the benefits of field-sized research and its more practical application as opposed to plot-sized

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Soil Science 101 with Dr. Jay Goos Mar 09, 2020
    Show notes

    Dr. Jay Goos joins us from the department of soil science at North Dakota State University to share his approach to introducing soil science to his students and his experiences over the last four decades in the field. The overall curriculum of his course focuses on teaching the “main properties of soil” including acidity and alkalinity, concepts of wilting point, field capacity and “how the layers of the soil influences productivity.” He hopes that his students leave with an understanding of the soil health big picture.

    But beyond introducing and sharing the value of soil science with future generations and assisting agriculture with iron deficiencies in soybeans, Dr. Goos has also been a part of soil science for forty years. He has seen many trends, practices and concerns come and go and overall is happy to see all of the progress that has been made in regards to soil health. He does want to call attention to phosphorus availability in the future due to limited sources and the chronic “mining (of) our soils for nutrients” without replacing the overall gross deficit.

    “Everyone is thinking about nitrogen now because of the dead zone in the Gulf of Mexico and nitrates in rivers and streams. But Phosphorus is going to be moving up on the people’s radar over the next few decades.” - Dr. Jay Goos

    He comments that unfortunately something that has not changed in the last 40 years is that “farmers are still bombarded with snake oil products.” Dr. Goos encourages students and farmers to understand soil variability and learn about the many factors that influence overall soil health. He recommends reaching beyond “gizmos” when learning about precision agriculture and focus more on what causes field variation and how we can best manage it.

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Meet Dr. Jay Goos
    • Hear about the introduction to soil science course he teaches at NDSU
    • Discover his impact on iron deficiency chlorosis in soybeans
    • Learn from the experiences he has had over the last 40 years in soil science and the issues he sees on the horizon

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Soil Health Collaboration Between Ag Retail and Extension Mar 02, 2020
    Show notes

    In this episode we focus on the unlikely collaboration between extension and ag retail. Tim Becker joins us as a former county extension agent and long time farmer of Eddy County along with Jason Vollmer, a farmer and local agronomist for Allied Agronomy. Both have found real interest in coming together to promote soil health.

    Their partnership started as organically as could be imagined “over a cup of coffee.” A group of farmers would meet to discuss techniques and ask questions. These meetings “grew into a good relationship” resulting in an ideal collaboration. Both men acknowledge that making a sale is not the end goal so much as helping the farmer be as profitable as possible.

    “We found that we can fight each other for clientele and programming….or we can work together and make a total program better.” - Tim Becker

    Tim and Jason agree that “every farmer is a great steward of the land” and recognize as well as understand that “ground is their asset, their life, their lifeblood.” This compassion and understanding has allowed for the opportunity to campaign and illustrate the benefits for soil health programs. They combine research with available products to create the best individualized plan for each client they interact with.

    “Ag is always evolving and we have to have a futuristic look while being grounded in the present.” Jason Vollmer

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Meet Tim Becker and Jason Vollmer
    • Learn how their unlikely collaboration resulted in better information and learning for the farmers they helped
    • Discover how they both leaned on each other’s strengths through discussion and education
    • Listen to Tim and Jason discussing the biggest obstacles they see farmers facing in regards to soil health
    • Explore how livestock may be the next adjunct to crop farming

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    [Bonus Episode] Decades of Building Soil Health with Joe Breker Oct 31, 2019
    Show notes

    Joe Breker has been farming for over 40 years pioneering soil health building practices in southeast North Dakota. With his skills and knowledge, Joe managed to successfully operate his farm during the dry ‘80s and wet ‘90s, as well as each decade’s poor farm economy.

    Joe joins me today to describe how his conservative farming practices have improved their farm’s soil health. He shares how his father was a sustainable farmer and what he did to build on what his father started. He also describes what no-till farming is, how it helps to restore damaged soil and explains the science behind management practices and how it affects soil health for decades.


    “Once you lose soil health, it's really difficult to get it back." - Joe Breker


    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • The farming legacy Joe is a part of and how his father ran the farm.
    • What no-till farming is and what made him utilize this method.
    • How he started his journey in soil health.
    • Maintaining commitment to soil health despite poor farming business conditions.
    • How he processes their compost and the processes involved.
    • Building soil health and how they nurse damaged soil back to health.


    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative


    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    SHARE Farm Reflections and Insights Oct 24, 2019
    Show notes

    In this episode we explore the SHARE (Soil Health and Agriculture Research Extension) Farm Project. It is a field scale location used to display practices that the research is indicating to advance soil health. The program showcases rotations and practices that can be used in the local area to advance soil health.

    The North Dakota Corn Council and other commodity groups have funded the SHARE farm to take advantage of an opportunity to further promote soil health in North Dakota. The North Dakota Corn Council’s main objectives are to provide funding for “research, education, promotion and market development of corn in North Dakota” and the SHARE farm program fits that bill. The SHARE farm has “consistently been (their) number one project.”

    “The SHARE Farm Project is actually pretty unique. It’s a farmer driven project….It came about from Farmers wanting a place or field that they could drive by and see these soil health building practices at field scale for long-term within the rotations that they’re using. They wanted something that was theirs.” - Dr Abby Wick (NDSU Extension)

    “This was research that was actually being conveyed to our farmers and they were eating it up. They loved it…..It was just really great to see farmers talking to other farmers. Farmers acting as mentors to younger farmers and teaching them what they have learned over 20-30 years.” - Jean Henning (Executive Director of North Dakota Corn Council)

    “I think people are pretty impressed with what they see there….I think we’ve proven that we can no-till in heavy soils. I had one farmer say “You’re going to no-till out their right? So you can prove it doesn’t work in these soils.” I said, “yeah or prove that it does.” I think we proved that much” - Ken Johnson (Farmer with the first SHARE Farm)

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Discover what a SHARE farm is and the soil health practices it puts on display
    • Hear from Ken Johnson, the first farmer to participate in the SHARE farm program
    • Learn about the North Dakota Corn Council and its purpose
    • See the change in information sharing the SHARE farm has afforded the farmers of North Dakota

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Managing Salts with Allie Slykerman Oct 17, 2019
    Show notes

    Today we hear from Allie Slykerman. Allie works as an independent crop consultant at Centrol Ag Consulting. One of the most significant issues faced by North Dakota farmers is salinity management. The primary crop struggles to grow in these areas resulting in opportunist weeds gaining a foothold in the field. Possible management practices include using salt tolerant plants for cover and assisting the soil in moving the water through the soil profile via tile. Depending on the location and salinity levels these options may not be available. The effort then becomes to try to limit the saline spots spread to reduce lost ground.

    Allie says one of the biggest concerns she gets approached about is weed resistance. She discusses the challenges faced by farmers and the progression of resistance she has observed. Roundup is no longer a “silver-bullet” for all things weeds. She shares different recommendations she has made in the last year to mitigate this growing threat.

    “Our chemistry is still working but I think in the future we need to start considering the what if’s….We really have to start being really careful and protecting these chemistries and start to think outside the box and using all the tools in the toolbox.” - Allie Slykerman

    “Figuring out how these guys tick is one of my favorite aspects of the job and getting to work with all different sorts of personalities is one of the most interesting things I think a crop consultant deals with on a day-to-day basis.” - Allie Slykerman

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Allie Slykerman shares the most significant issue she sees with her clients
    • Learn the different techniques available to battle salinity issues
    • Allie shares her concern for weed herbicide tolerance
    • Explore the relationship between a crop consultant and their client farmers

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Integrating Cattle and Cover Crops with Luke Ressler Oct 10, 2019
    Show notes

    What can integrating livestock do for soil health? Luke Ressler joins us from Hillsboro, North Dakota where he farms with his father-in-law, Randy Lemm, and his wife Elli. Luke was raised on a farm in Cooperstown and worked for the NDSU Extension and Dr. Abbey Wick after completing his studies at NDSU. Luke was able to participate and host some of the Cafe Talks Abbey organized while working there.

    Luke shares the rotational grazing pattern he is using for his cattle. The biggest obstacle for them in using this technique is providing access to fresh water every day. The goal of this process is to gain the benefit of the cover crop for the soil and then convert that growth into nutrition for the cattle which will add manure back to the soil to further fortify it and reduce the time spent in the feedlot for the cattle. We check in with Luke to see his experiences between the original interview in June 2019 to today (October 2019). Spoiler: it’s been a tough year weather-wise.

    “My goal is to always try to go to as many field days and events that NDSU puts on as possible because you’re going to learn something new every time you go and meet someone new.” - Luke Ressler

    “Research is helping out a lot of guys who don’t know where to go, who don’t have good resources available to them. They can go online and get really good information especially from NDSU. I have nothing but good to say about it and I’m really excited to be involved more.” - Luke Ressler

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    • Luke Ressler introduces us to incorporating cattle into your soil health practices
    • Learn the benefits to the soil and cattle when combined as part of your land management
    • Feel Luke’s excitement to be involved with upcoming research
    • Explore Luke’s process to getting answers when questions arise with his new practices

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    • Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Soil Physics and Soil Biology with Dr. Aaron Daigh Oct 03, 2019
    Show notes

    Explore the scientific principles forming the foundation of soil health. Dr. Aaron Daigh of North Dakota State University joins us to discuss the impact of movement and distribution of water, heat, and nutrients in the soil. Dr Daigh draws an analogy between pores in the soil and plumbing in a building. Through the natural processes of freezing, wetting, drying, and thawing pores are developed in the soil. These pores are crucial to nutrient and water retention. He shares the effect that tillage practices have on heat transfer and retention within the soil as well as to the pore size and distribution. Understanding these scientific principles can lead to more informed decisions on farming practices. Dr. Daigh shares the ongoing research in this field and where the focus is shifting. “It’s kind of like taking all the piping in your house or the building or in a chemical plant and rearranging it to the way that you want…..When you go in and you till a soil you are kind of homogenizing everything. You’re making all the pipes kind of very similar to each other at least in the depth that you’re tilling at.” - Dr. Aaron Daigh “When you go into a no-till or reduced till system…. you have a whole bunch of small pores and those pores are what can really hold onto water longer. They can hold onto nutrients longer and keep it available in a spot that the plant can use later on.” - Dr. Aaron Daigh This Week on Soil Sense: Meet Dr. Aaron Daigh and learn what it means to be a soil physicist Explore how tillage disrupts the natural pores in the soil and affects the movement of water and nutrients Dr. Daigh teaches us how the different sized pores are developed in the soil and the benefits they provide. Discover the up and coming research in the area of Soil Science Connect with Soil Sense: Soil Sense Initiative Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


    Building Soil Health on Your Toughest Field with Doug Toussaint Sep 26, 2019
    Show notes

    Doug Toussaint from Wahpeton, North Dakota discusses his shift toward soil health building practices. Doug shares what inspired him to make these changes and the decision to start with his most difficult field. Doug was able to slowly integrate these new techniques including inter-seeding and reduced tillage by using equipment that he already had on hand. He has noticed a significant difference in his fields with “how different they worked (and) how much easier they were to plant.”

    Doug shares that going to seminars, talking to other farmers and reaching out to consultants and the extension have all helped him find the answers and learn about new practices. He emphasizes the importance of networking with neighboring farmers and helping to foster the discussion about reduced tillage and cover crops.

    “Cover crops is not where to quit spending money….I’d rather have a cover crop that failed than a cover crop that I didn’t do.” -Doug Toussaint

    “There isn’t a recipe here. You’re going to put your own recipe together and how its going to work. You just have to be open-minded and look at different things and be willing to change immediately.” - Doug Toussaint

    This Week on Soil Sense:

    ● Hear from Doug Toussaint a Farmer in North Dakota

    ● Learn what inspired him to experiment with new farming techniques

    ● Meet the difficult field he started with and why he started there

    ● Explore some of the benefits Doug has experienced by adding cover crops to his rotation

    ● Doug shares what resources he reaches for to help answer his questions as they arise

    Connect with Soil Sense:

    ● Soil Sense Initiative

    Soil Sense Podcast is hosted by Tim Hammerich of the Future of Agriculture Podcast.


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