Software Engineering Institute (SEI) Podcast Series

Latest Episodes:

Identifying and Preventing the Next SolarWinds Jun 20, 2023

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In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI), Gregory J. Touhill, director of the SEI CERT Division, talks with principal researcher Suzanne Miller about the 2020 attack on Solar Winds software and how to prevent a recurrence of another major attack on key systems that are in widespread use. Solar Winds is the name of a company that provided software to the U.S. federal government. In late 2020, news surfaced about a cyberattack that had already been underway for several months and that had reportedly compromised 250 government agencies, including the Treasury Department, the State Department, and nuclear research labs. In addition to compromising data, the attack resulted in financial losses of more than $90 million and was probably one of the most dangerous modern attacks on software and software-based businesses and government agencies in the recent past. The SolarWinds incident demonstrated the challenges of securing systems when they are the product of complex supply chains.

In this podcast, Touhill discusses topics including the need for systems to be secure by design and secure by default, the importance of transparency in the reporting of vulnerabilities and anomalous system behavior, the CERT Acquisition Security Framework, the need to secure data across a wide range of disparate devices and systems, and tactics and strategies for individuals and organizations to safeguard their data and the systems they rely on daily.

A Penetration Testing Findings Repository Jun 13, 2023

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In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI) Marisa Midler and Samantha Chaves, penetration testers with the SEI's CERT Division, talk with Suzanne Miller about a penetration-testing repository that they helped to build. The repository is a source of information for active directory, phishing, mobile technology, systems and services, web applications, and mobile- and wireless-technology weaknesses that could be discovered during a penetration test. The repository is intended to help assessors provide reports to organizations using standardized language and standardized names for findings, and to save assessors time on report generation by having descriptions, standard remediations, and other resources available in the repository for their use. The repository is available at https://github.com/cisagov/pen-testing-findings

Understanding Vulnerabilities in the Rust Programming Language Jun 08, 2023

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While the memory safety and security features of the Rust programming language can be effective in many situations, Rust's compiler is very particular on what constitutes good software design practices. Whenever design assumptions disagree with real-world data and assumptions, there is the possibility of security vulnerabilities–and malicious software that can take advantage of those vulnerabilities. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI), David Svoboda and Garret Wassermann, researchers with the SEI's CERT Division, explore tools for understanding vulnerabilities in Rust whether the original source code is available or not. These tools are important for understanding malicious software where source code is often unavailable, as well as commenting on possible directions in which tools and automated code analysis can improve.

We Live in Software: Engineering Societal-Scale Systems May 18, 2023

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Societal-scale software systems, such as today's commercial social media platforms, are among the most widely used software systems in the world, with some platforms reporting billions of daily active users. These systems have created new mechanisms for global communication and connect people with unprecedented speed. Despite the numerous benefits of societal-scale systems, these systems are designed to optimize user engagement and scale by using psychology (such as gaming and reward mechanisms) to influence users. Individual users struggle with privacy of their data and bias in these systems, while governments face new threats of misinformation. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute, John Robert and Forrest Shull discuss issues that must be considered when engineering societal-scale systems.

Secure by Design, Secure by Default May 10, 2023

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In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI) Gregory J. Touhill, director of the SEI CERT Division, talks with Suzanne Miller about secure by design, secure by default, a longstanding tenet of the work of the SEI and CERT in particular. The SEI has been in the forefront of secure software development, promoting an approach where security weaknesses are addressed, prevented, or eliminated earlier in the software development lifecycle, which not only helps to ensure secure systems, but also saves time and money. Touhill also discusses the CERT strategy in support of SEI sponsors in the U.S. Department of Defense (DoD), the Department of Homeland Security (DHS), and the Cybersecurity Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) and his vision for the future of cybersecurity and the role of the CERT Division.

Key Steps to Integrate Secure by Design into Acquisition and Development May 02, 2023

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Secure by design means performing more security and assurance activities earlier in the product and system lifecycles. A secure-by-design mindset addresses the security of systems during the requirements, design, and development phases of lifecycles rather than waiting until the system is ready for implementation. The need for a secure-by-design mindset is exacerbated by the amount of interconnectedness of today's systems and the increasing amount of automation that characterizes system development. These trends have led to increased levels of risk and made implementation of security controls during test and patching systems after deployment increasingly unsustainable. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute, Robert Schiela, technical manager of the Secure Coding group, and Carol Woody, a principal researcher in the SEI's CERT Division, talk with Suzanne Miller about the importance of integrating the practices and mindset of secure by design into the acquisition and development of software-reliant systems.

An Exploration of Enterprise Technical Debt Apr 18, 2023

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Like all technical debt, enterprise technical debt consists of choices expedient in the short term, but often problematic over the long term. In enterprise technical debt, the impact reaches beyond the scope of a single system or project. Because ignoring enterprise technical debt can have significant consequences, software and systems architects should be alert for it, and they should not let it get overlooked or ignored when they come across it. Enterprise technical debt often results in multi-project or organization-wide risks that increase the organization's cost, efficiency, or security risks. Remediation of enterprise technical debt requires intervention by governance structures whose scope is broader than that of individual teams or projects. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI), Stephany Bellomo, a principal engineer in the SEI's Software Solutions Division, talks with principal researcher Suzanne Miller about identifying and remediating enterprise technical debt.

The Messy Middle of Large Language Models Mar 29, 2023

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The recent growth of applications that leverage large language models, including ChatGPT and Copilot, has spurred reactions ranging from fear and uncertainty to adoration and lofty expectations. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute, Jay Palat, senior engineer and technical director of AI for mission, and Dr. Rachel Dzombak, senior advisor to the director of the SEI's AI Division, discuss the current landscape of large language models (LLMs), common misconceptions about LLMs, how to leverage tools built on top of LLMs, and the need for critical thinking around both the outputs of the tools and the trends in their use.

An Infrastructure-Focused Framework for Adopting DevSecOps Mar 21, 2023

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DevSecOps practices, including continuous-integration/continuous-delivery (CI/CD) pipelines, enable organizations to respond to security and reliability events quickly and efficiently and to produce resilient and secure software on a predictable schedule and budget. Despite growing evidence and recognition of the efficacy and value of these practices, the initial implementation and ongoing improvement of the methodology can be challenging. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute, senior engineers Vanessa Jackson and Lyndsi Hughes discuss with principal researcher Suzanne Miller the DevSecOps adoption framework, which guides organizations in the planning and implementation of a roadmap to functional CI/CD pipeline capabilities.

Software Security in Rust Mar 15, 2023

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Rust is growing in popularity. Its unique security model promises memory safety and concurrency safety, while providing the performance of C/C++. In this podcast from the Carnegie Mellon University Software Engineering Institute (SEI), David Svoboda and Joe Sible, both engineers in the SEI's CERT Division, talk with principal researcher Suzanne Miller about the Rust programming language and its security-related features. Svoboda and Sible discuss Rust's compile-time safety guarantees, the kinds of vulnerabilities that Rust fixes and those that it does not, situations in which users would not want to use Rust, and where interested users can go to get more information about the Rust programming language.