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    Scrolling 2 Death

    Scrolling 2 Death is a podcast for parents who are worried about social media. Through interviews with parents and experts, we explore smartphone use, screen time, school-issued devices, social media use and so much more.

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    I've sued i-Ready | Answering your questions (with attorney Andy Liddell) Apr 06, 2026
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    So…I’ve sued another EdTech company. Here's a direct link to information on the lawsuit.


    This time, it’s Curriculum Associates — the multi-billion-dollar maker of i-Ready, used by more than 14 million children in grades K–8, including my own.


    In this episode, I break down why we’ve filed a lawsuit alleging that Curriculum Associates’ core business model depends on harvesting massive amounts of student data, monetizing it, and allegedly sharing children’s personal information with dozens of third parties for commercial purposes. We further allege the company builds deeply invasive psychological and behavioral profiles on students — profiles that can follow them and potentially harm them.


    I never consented to this. And neither did millions of parents.


    Sending our children to public school is a legal right. We should not have to expose them to commercial data trafficking just to get an education.


    With the average school district using thousands of EdTech tools each year — and each child accessing dozens — the question isn’t whether this is happening. The question is whether parents ever gave meaningful, informed consent.


    Joining me is Andy Liddell, attorney with the EdTech Law Center, to answer the questions flooding in from parents and teachers:

    • What exactly are we alleging?
    • What data is actually being collected?
    • Is academic growth tracking the same as data mining?
    • Can parents opt out?
    • Is this a class action?
    • What can teachers do?
    • And what do we say to critics who claim this is just fear-mongering?


    If you’re a parent, teacher, or school leader, this conversation is one you cannot afford to miss.


    If you’re interested in learning more or potentially joining an EdTech-related lawsuit, visit: edtech.law.


    Because this isn’t just about i-Ready.


    It’s about whether our children’s data belongs to them — or to corporations.


    [THE VERDICT] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial Mar 27, 2026
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    On March 25, 2026, after eight days of deliberation, the jury reached a verdict in the first bellwether trial against Meta and YouTube.


    The verdict: The jury ruled in favor of Kaley on all counts. Scroll down to the bottom of this description for the full verdict.


    This week, we take you inside the final, nerve-wracking days in the hallway and courtroom — the jury questions about expert testimony, deleted accounts, Instagram usage, punitive damages, and the moment they told the judge they were deadlocked with one defendant.


    We walk through what each question meant, what it revealed about the jury’s thinking, and how both sides responded. You’ll hear what happened in real time as families waited, attorneys speculated, and the stakes became crystal clear.


    We’re joined by Laura Marquez-Garrett of the Social Media Victims Law Center to break down:

    • What the verdict actually means
    • Whether an appeal is likely
    • Why early bellwether cases often shape — but don’t decide — the larger war
    • What happens next in the thousands of cases still moving forward


    Because this was never just about one family.


    It the most powerful tech companies in the world… versus families. And this verdict is the accelerator of justice.


    The trials continue. Thousands of families. Dozens of states. School districts. The pressure is building. We’ll continue to be inside the courtroom translating it all for parents everywhere.


    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.


    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.


    Are you willing to take action against Big Tech? Join us in D.C.! Fill out this form.


    THE VERDICT


    META

    1. Was Meta negligent in the design or operation of Instagram? YES
    2. Was Meta’s negligence a substantial factor in causing harm to KGM? YES
    3. Did Meta know or should it reasonably have known that the design or operation of Instagram was dangerous or was likely to be dangerous when used by a minor in a reasonably foreseeable manner? YES‍
    4. Did Meta know or should it reasonably have known that users would not realize the danger? YES
    5. Did Meta fail to adequately warn of the danger? YES
    6. Would a reasonable platform designer or operator under the same or similar circumstances have warned of the danger or instructed on the safe use of the platform? YES
    7. Was Meta's failure to adequately warn or instruct a substantial factor in causing harm to KGM? YES


    YOUTUBE

    1. Was YouTube negligent in the design or operation of YouTube? YES
    2. Was YouTube's negligence a substantial factor in causing harm to KGM? YES
    3. Did YouTube know or should it reasonably have known that the design or operation of YouTube was dangerous or was likely to be dangerous when used by a minor in a reasonably foreseeable manner? YES‍
    4. Did YouTube know or should it reasonably have known that users would not realize the danger? YES
    5. Did YouTube fail to adequately warn of the danger? YES
    6. Would a reasonable platform designer or operator under the same or similar circumstances have warned of the danger or instructed on the safe use of the platform? YES
    7. Was YouTube's failure to adequately warn or instruct a substantial factor in causing harm to KGM? YES

    ‍

    THE DAMAGES


    A. What are KGM's damages?

    $3,000,000


    B. What percentage of responsibility for K.G.M.’s harm do you assign to each of the following?

    70% Meta

    30% YouTube


    C. Do you find that K.G.M. proved by clear and convincing evidence that Meta acted with malice, oppression, or fraud in conduct upon which you base your finding of liability? YES


    D. Do you find that K.G.M. proved by clear and convincing evidence that YouTube acted with malice, oppression, or fraud in conduct upon which you base your finding of liability? YES


    PUNITIVE DAMAGES: $3,000,000 ($2.1M to Meta, $900K to YouTube)


    [WEEK 7 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Final Witnesses. Closings. Deliberations Begin. Mar 15, 2026
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    This week on The Heat is On…Big Tech on Trial, we reached a turning point.


    After weeks of testimony, we heard from the final witnesses — including Meta’s paid medical expert, internal researchers, and YouTube leadership. New details emerged about deleted watch history data, internal warnings about teen risk, and what company executives knew about under-13 enforcement.


    Then came closing arguments.


    Mark Lanier argued that platform design targeted Kaley from a young age. Attorneys for Meta and YouTube pushed back, claiming there is no proven causal link between social media and mental health struggles, for Kaley or anyone else.


    Friday morning, the jury began deliberating.


    Now nine jurors must decide:

    Were these platforms negligently designed in ways that substantially contributed to Kaley’s anxiety, depression, and suicidal thoughts? Or not?


    We’re inside the courtroom translating what this case means for parents everywhere — because these trials aren't just about one child. It could shape the future of accountability for TikTok, YouTube, Meta, and Snap Inc..


    Verdict watch has begun.


    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.


    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.


    [WEEK 6 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: A Psychologist, A Whistleblower + Plaintiff Rests Their Case Mar 08, 2026
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    This week inside the courtroom, science took center stage — and the stakes were higher than ever.


    Dr. Kara Bagot, a psychiatrist and neuroscientist who helped develop the NIH’s landmark ABCD brain study, spent five days on the stand. She testified that to a reasonable degree of medical certainty, Kaley developed social media addiction — and that YouTube acted as the “gateway,” beginning at just six years old. She walked the jury through the platform features that fuel compulsive use: infinite scroll, autoplay, algorithms, notifications, likes, filters, Shorts, Reels, and the lack of meaningful age verification.


    Under intense cross-examination from Meta and YouTube’s attorneys, Dr. Bagot held her ground — insisting on context over yes-or-no soundbites. Jurors watched closely. When she was finally excused, there as a quiet applause.


    Then came former Meta safety executive and whistleblower Arturo Bejar. He testified that by 2019, Meta researchers had identified addiction as a serious issue — but leadership discouraged even using the word, replacing it with “problematic use.” He described internal knowledge of harmful design choices, ineffective safety tools, and what he called “dark patterns,” including the infamous “blue button” that discouraged user reporting.


    Arturo also testified that age verification is not technically difficult — and that Meta could remove millions of under-13 users if it chose to.


    Next up was child safety expert and mom, Brooke Istook. Brooke powerfully described the generational tech gap, Instagram's growth team promoting FINSTAs, misleading safety promises, and the no-win position families face trying to supervise platforms designed to outmaneuver them.


    By week’s end, the Plaintiffs rested their case and the Defense began calling witnesses in the form of video depositions.


    Meanwhile, outside this courtroom, the pressure is mounting. Big tech lobbyists have infiltrated important online safety legislation and 33 new families across 19 states have joined the consolidated JCCP litigation, with Roblox newly added to the complaints.


    Thousands of families. Dozens of states. And now jurors — everyday people — watching some of the richest companies in the world fight a single family over what caused a young girl’s harm.


    These are the tobacco trials of our generation.


    We’re inside the courtroom translating it all in real time — joined this week by Christine Almadjian, legislative consultant and courtroom observer, and Lennon Torres of Heat Initiative — bringing you the moments that mattered, the legal context behind the strategy, and what it means for families everywhere.


    Because this fight isn’t abstract.

    It’s about the apps in our kids’ pockets.
    It’s about truth, justice and accountability.
    And it’s about whether these companies will finally be forced to change.


    We stand with families.


    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.


    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.


    [BONUS EPISODE] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Meta Whistleblower Brian Boland Mar 05, 2026
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    What really happens inside one of the most powerful companies in the world?


    This week, we sit down with Brian Boland, a former senior leader at Facebook (pre-Meta), who spent more than a decade helping build and scale Facebook and Instagram's advertising systems — and later testified in court about what he saw.


    Brian was in the courtroom for nearly five hours. In this candid conversation, he pulls back the curtain on:

    • What it feels like to testify under oath against your former company
    • How Meta’s internal culture shifted after whistleblowers like Frances Haugen spoke out
    • The reality of Mark Zuckerberg’s power inside the company — and why the board can’t remove him
    • How algorithms are built, tested, and optimized — and why even engineers don’t fully understand their long-term impacts
    • Whether Meta is truly incentivized to limit teen usage
    • The truth about ad revenue from minors
    • How accurate age-estimation technology really is — and why that matters
    • What whistleblowing actually costs the people who do it


    Brian doesn’t call for the end of social media. In fact, he believes these platforms could be built to strengthen communities. But he’s clear: the current incentives — profit, growth, daily active users — drive decisions that put engagement above safety.


    He also shares what he told executives, including Mark Zuckerberg, before he left — and the response he received.


    If you’ve ever wondered:

    • Are these platforms intentionally habit-forming?
    • Do they really know how young users are?
    • Could they reduce harm if they wanted to?
    • Why don’t more insiders speak out?


    This episode is essential listening.


    It’s a rare, inside look at how power, profit, algorithms, and accountability collide — and what it might actually take to force change.


    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.


    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.


    Research mentioned in the episode: Social media platforms generate billions of dollars in revenue from U.S. youth: Findings from a simulated revenue model (Raffoul article)


    [WEEK 5 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Kaley Takes the Stand Mar 01, 2026
    Show notes

    This week, we’re joined by Meta whistleblower Brian Boland, who appeared as a witness in this trial, and law student Christine Almadjian, who has spent hours inside the courtroom watching this case unfold. Christine is also a legislative consultant with END OSEAC.


    Thousands of families, school districts, and dozens of states have filed consolidated lawsuits against TikTok, YouTube, Meta, and Snap Inc., alleging their platforms were deliberately designed to addict and harm children. Some are calling this “the tobacco trial of our generation.”


    The first case centers on Kaley — a child like yours and mine — facing the most powerful companies in the world.


    This week, YouTube’s VP of Engineering defended the algorithm as internal documents revealed research linking excessive use to addiction, sleep disruption, anxiety, depression, and body image issues — along with features like autoplay designed to increase watch time. We heard testimony that kids using YouTube while logged out are treated like adults, with no safety features enabled.


    A data expert challenged Meta and YouTube’s reported ad revenue from minors, citing “significant errors and contradictions,” followed by testimony from Kaley's therapist.


    Then Kaley took the stand.


    She described creating multiple accounts to like her own videos and posts, sneaking her phone at night, spending up to 16 hours a day on Instagram, feeling panic without her device — and still, at 20 years old, struggling to stop. When asked whether she had addiction, anxiety, depression, or body dysmorphia before social media, her answer was simple: no.


    Meta and YouTube pushed back hard, pointing to family conflict and school bullying. In just a few weeks, the jury will decide if social media was a subsantial factor in her mental heath struggles.


    This case isn’t just about one family. It’s about millions of kids — and what happens next affects all of us.


    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.


    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.


    [WEEK 4 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Zuckerberg. A Whistleblower. The Trial Ignites. Feb 21, 2026
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    This week on The Heat is On…Big Tech on Trial, the spotlight was on Mark Zuckerberg — but it didn’t stay there for long.


    Nicki Petrossi and Sarah Gardner take you inside a dramatic week in court as Zuckerberg faced questioning about youth safety, platform design, and internal company practices — followed by testimony from a former insider whose statements directly conflicted with his.


    In this episode:

    • The most revealing exchanges from Zuckerberg’s time on the stand
    • The key claims he made — and what evidence challenged them
    • A whistleblower’s testimony that told a very different story about how platforms operate
    • Emotional reactions from parents watching it unfold in real time
    • Why legal observers say this week could shift momentum in the trial
    • A new Annual Report by Bark connecting Kaley's harm to children today


    Millions are watching because what happens here will reshape accountability for the most powerful tech companies in the world.

    This isn’t just a trial. It’s a turning point.


    Thank you to our special guest, Titania Jordan of Bark Technologies. Here's their 2025 Annual Report, referenced in the episode.


    The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial is an investigative mini-series by Scrolling 2 Death, in partnership with Heat Initiative.


    Video Editing expertly provided by Jacob Meade.


    [WEEK 3 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Opening Statements. First Witnesses. Feb 14, 2026
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    Week 3 marks a turning point inside the courtroom: opening statements begin, the first witnesses take the stand, and the stakes become unmistakably real. Hosts Nicki Petrossi and Sarah Gardner (of Heat Initiative) bring you inside the proceedings as plaintiffs and defense lay out competing narratives about what happened to Kaley—and what responsibility tech giants bear.


    Plaintiff attorney Mark Lanier delivers what attendees call a “masterclass” opening, previewing internal records from YouTube and Meta suggesting early-age targeting and engineering for addiction. Defense attorney Paul Schmidt counters with a starkly different claim: that social platforms can benefit vulnerable teens and that responsibility lies elsewhere - on parents. YouTube counsel Louis Lee insists repeatedly: YouTube is not social media.


    The first expert witness, addiction psychiatrist Dr. Anna Lembke of Stanford University, author of Dopamine Nation, walks jurors through the neuroscience of compulsive use—arguing that platform design features can function like addictive stimuli, especially for adolescents. Cross-examinations grow tense as attorneys challenge her comparisons and conclusions.


    Midweek brings the highly anticipated testimony of Adam Mosseri, head of Instagram, questioned about past statements on social media addiction, teen safety, and whether growth incentives conflict with child protection. Outside the courthouse, grieving parents—including featured guest John DeMay—camp overnight for seats, hold direct actions targeting Snapchat, and remind the world what this trial is really about: children.


    You’ll hear:

    • Real-time courthouse reflections
    • Parent voices from the steps outside
    • Key courtroom exchanges that could shape the verdict
    • Legal context explaining what jurors must decide


    Next week’s witnesses raise the stakes even higher, with expected testimony from Mark Zuckerberg and Neal Mohan.


    Because this isn’t just a trial. It’s a reckoning. And we’re translating every moment that matters for families everywhere.


    [BONUS EPISODE] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: A Conversation with Toney & Brandy Roberts Feb 11, 2026
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    This bonus episode of The Heat is On… Big Tech on Trial slows down to hold space for the weight of this moment.


    Nicki Petrossi and Sarah Gardner are joined by Brandy and Toney Roberts, parents of 14-year-old Englyn Roberts, whose life was cut short after being exposed to harmful content on Instagram and other social media platforms. What unfolds is not just a conversation about Meta’s technology—but about grief, truth, and what it means to refuse indifference.


    The Roberts family shares how Instagram’s algorithms repeatedly recommended suicide-related content to their daughter, how duplicate videos remained online long after being reported, and how easily this material continues to circulate today. Sarah breaks down the technical reality: the tools to prevent and remove this content exist—and always have.


    Interwoven with these devastating realities are moments of grounding, connection, and meaning: reflections on community among bereaved parents, a courthouse vigil outside the Los Angeles trial, and the belief that love—never indifference—is what drives this fight.


    This episode is raw. It is painful. And it is essential.


    As the courtroom doors finally open, this conversation captures what’s truly on trial: corporate choices, accountability, and the lives of children.


    Listener discretion advised.


    [WEEK 2 RECAP] The Heat is On...Big Tech on Trial: Meta Stalls. Families Stand Feb 07, 2026
    Show notes

    Week 2 inside the courtroom didn’t unfold the way anyone expected.


    Just as jury selection was set to continue, the judge announced a sudden pause—triggered by illness, followed by a denied request from Meta to delay the trial for 30 days. What does a delay really mean in a case like this? And who benefits when time is bought?


    In this episode of The Heat is On…Big Tech on Trial, hosts Nicki Petrossi (of Scrolling 2 Death) and Sarah Gardner (of Heat Initiative) break down what happened behind the scenes, why jury selection may be the most important phase of the entire trial, and how defense strategies are already taking shape.


    You’ll hear legal context from veteran trial attorney Michael Quade, along with firsthand perspective from affected parents Toney and Brandy Roberts, who lost their 14-year-old daughter Englyn and are suing Meta, Snap, and TikTok for wrongful death and negligence.


    This week was grounded not by legal maneuvering—but by the parents.


    Survivor parents from around the world gathered in Los Angeles to witness the trial. Together, they held a vigil on the courthouse steps, honoring their children and demanding accountability. Nearly 20 media outlets showed up to hear their stories—not corporate talking points, but the human cost behind them.


    This case isn’t just about evidence or arguments. It’s about children.

    It’s about who controls the narrative.

    And it’s about which side of history we choose to stand on.


    We’re inside the courtroom—so parents everywhere don’t have to rely on headlines alone.


    Subscribe to The Heat is On miniseries here.


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