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    Screaming in the Cloud

    Screaming in the Cloud with Corey Quinn features conversations with domain experts in the world of Cloud Computing. Topics discussed include AWS, GCP, Azure, Oracle Cloud, and the “why” behind how businesses are coming to think about the Cloud.

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    Episode 31: Hey Sam, wake up. It’s 3am, and time to solve a murder mystery! Oct 09, 2018
    Show notes

    Have you ever been on-call duty as an IT person or otherwise? Woken up at 3 a.m. to solve a problem? Did you have to go through log files or look at a dashboard to figure out what was going on? Did you think there has got to be a better way to troubleshoot and solve problems?

    Today, we’re talking to Sam Bashton, who previously ran a premiere consulting partner with Amazon Web Services (AWS). Recently, he started runbook.cloud, which is a tool built on top of serverless technology that helps people find and troubleshoot problems within their AWS environment.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Runbook.cloud looks at metrics to generate machine learning (ML) intelligence to pinpoint issues and present users with a pre-written set of solutions
    • Runbook.cloud looks at all potential problems that can be detected in context with how the infrastructure is being used without being annoying and useless
    • ML is used to do trend analysis and understand how a specific customer is using a service for a specific auto scaling group or Lambda functions
    • Runbook.cloud takes all aggregate data to influence alerts; if there’s a problem in a specific region with a specific service, the tool is careful to caveat it
    • Various monitoring solutions are on the market; runbook.cloud is designed for a mass market environment; it takes metrics that AWS provides for free and makes it so you don’t need to worry about them
    • Will runbook.cloud compete with or sell out to AWS? Amazon wants to build underlying infrastructure, other people to use its APIs to build interfaces for users
    • Runbook.cloud is sold through AWS Marketplace; it’s a subscription service where you pay by the hour and the charges are added to your AWS bill
    • Amazon vs. Other Cloud Providers: Work is involved to detect problems that address multiple Clouds; it doesn’t make sense to branch out to other Clouds
    • Runbook.cloud was built on top of serverless technology for business financial reasons; way to align outlay and costs because you pay for exactly what you use
    • Analysis paralysis is real; it comes down to getting the emotional toil of making decisions down to as few decision points as possible
    • Save money on Lambda; instead of using several Lambda functions concurrently, put everything into a single function using Go
    • AWS responds to customers to discover how they use its services; it comes down to what customers need

    Links:

    • Sam Bashton on Twitter
    • runbook.cloud
    • How We Massively Reduced Our AWS Lambda Bill with Go
    • AWS
    • AWS Lambda
    • Microsoft Clippy
    • Honeycomb
    • AWS X-Ray
    • Kubernetes
    • Simon Wardley
    • Go
    • Secrets Manager
    • DynamoDB
    • EFS
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 30: How to Compete with Amazon Oct 02, 2018
    Show notes

    Trying to figure out if Amazon Web Services (AWS) is right for you? Use the “quadrant of doom” to determine your answer. When designing a Cloud architecture, there are factors to consider. Any system you design exists for one reason - support a business. Think about services and their features to make sure they’re right for your implementation.

    Today, we’re talking to Ernesto Marquez, owner and project director at Concurrency Labs. He helps startups launch and grow their applications on AWS. Ernesto especially enjoys building serverless architectures, automating everything, and helping customers cut their AWS costs.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Amazon’s level of discipline, process, and willingness to recognize issues and fix them changed the way Ernesto sees how a system should be operated
    • Specialize on a specific service within AWS, such as S3 and EC2, because there are principles that need to be applied when designing an architecture
    • Sales and Delivery Cycle: Ernesto has a conversation with a client to discuss their different needs
    • Vendor Lock-in: Customers concerned about moving application to Cloud provider and how difficult it will be to move code and design variables elsewhere
    • For every service you include in your architecture, evaluate the service within the context of a particular business case
    • Identify failure scenarios, what can go wrong, and if something goes wrong, how it’s going to be remediated
    • CloudWatching detects events that are going to happen, and you can trigger responses for those events
    • Partnering with Amazon: Companies are pushing a multi-Cloud narrative; you gain visibility and credibility, but it’s not essential to be successful
    • Can you compete against Amazon? Depends on which area you choose
    • Expand product selection to grow, focus on user experience, and improve performance to compete against Amazon
    • MiserBot: Don’t freak out about your bill because Ernesto created a Slack chatbot to monitor your AWS costs

    Links:

    • Concurrency Labs
    • Ernesto Marquez on Twitter
    • How to Know if an AWS is Right for You
    • MiserBot
    • AWS
    • RDS
    • Lambda
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 29: Future of Serverless: A Toy that will Evolve and Offer Flexibility Sep 25, 2018
    Show notes

    Are you a blogger? Engineer? Web guru? What do you do? If you ask Yan Cui that question, be prepared for several different answers.

    Today, we’re talking to Yan, who is a principal engineer at DAZN. Also, he writes blog posts and is a course developer. His insightful, engaging, and understandable content resonates with various audiences. And, he’s an AWS serverless hero!

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Some people get tripped up because they don’t bring microservice practices they learned into the new world of serverless; face many challenges
    • Educate others and share your knowledge; Yan does, as an AWS hero
    • Chaos Engineering Meeting Serverless: Figuring out what types of failures to practice for depends on what services you are using
    • Environment predicated on specific behaviors may mean enumerating bad things that could happen, instead of building a resilient system that works as planned
    • API Gateway: Confusing for users because it can do so many different things; what is the right thing to do, given a particular context, is not always clear
    • Now, serverless feels like a toy, but good enough to run production workflow; future of serverless - will continue to evolve and offer more flexibility
    • Serverless is used to build applications; DevOps/IOT teams and enterprises are adopting serverless because it makes solutions more cost effective

    Links:

    • Yan Cui on Twitter
    • DAZN
    • Production-Ready Serverless
    • Theburningmonk.com
    • Applying Principles of Chaos Engineering to Serverless
    • AWS Heroes
    • re:Invent
    • Lambda
    • Amazon S3 Service Disruption
    • API Gateway
    • Ben Kehoe
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 28: Serverless as a Consulting Cash Register (now accepting Bitcoin!) Sep 18, 2018
    Show notes

    Is your company thinking about adopting serverless and running with it? Is there a profitable opportunity hidden in it? Ready to go on that journey?

    Today, we’re talking to Rowan Udell, who works for Versent, an Amazon Web Services (AWS) consulting partner in Australia. Versent focuses on specific practices, including helping customers with rapid migrations to the Clouds and going serverless.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Australia is experiencing an increase in developers using serverless tool services and serverless being used for operational purposes
    • Serverless seems to be either a brilliant fit or not quite ready for prime time
    • Misconceptions include keeping functions warm, setting up scheduled indications
    • Simon Wardley talked about how the flow of capital can be traced through an organization that has converted to serverless
    • Concept of paying thousands of dollars up front for a server is going away
    • Spend whatever you want, but be able to explain where the money is going (dev vs. prod); companies will re-evaluate how things get done
    • Serverless is either known as an evolution or revolution; transformative to a point
    • Winding up with a large number of shops where when something breaks, they don’t have the experience to fix it; gain practical experience through sharing
    • Seek developer feedback and perform testing, but know where and when to stop
    • With serverless, you have little control of the environment; focus on automated parts you do control
    • Serverless Movement: People have opinions and want you to know them
    • Understand continuum of options for running your application in the Cloud; learn pros and cons; and pick the right tool
    • Reconciliation between serverless and containers will need to play out; changes will come at some point
    • Blockchain + serverless + machine learning + Kubernetes + service mesh = raise entire seed round

    Links:

    • Rowan Udell’s Blog
    • Rowan Udell on Twitter
    • Versent on Twitter
    • Lambda
    • Simon Wardley
    • Open Guide to AWS Slack Channel
    • Kubernetes
    • Aurora
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 27: What it Took for Google to Make Changes: Outages and Mean Tweets Sep 11, 2018
    Show notes

    Google Cloud Platform (GCP) turned off a customer that it thought was doing something out of bounds. This led to an Internet outrage, and GCP tried to explain itself and prevent the problem in the future.

    Today, we’re talking to Daniel Compton, an independent software consultant who focuses on Clojure and large-scale systems. He’s currently building Deps, a private Maven repository service. As a third-party observer, we pick Daniel’s brain about the GCP issue, especially because he wrote a post called, Google Cloud Platform - The Good, Bad, and Ugly (It’s Mostly Good).

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Recommendations: Use enterprise billing - costs thousands of dollars; add phone number and extra credit card to Google account; get support contract
    • Google describing what happened and how it plans to prevent it in the future seemed reasonable; but why did it take this for Google to make changes?
    • GCP has inherited cultural issues that don’t work in the enterprise market; GCP is painfully learning that they need to change some things
    • Google tends to focus on writing services aimed purely at developers; it struggles to put itself in the shoes of corporate-enterprise IT shops
    • GCP has a few key design decisions that set it apart from AWS; focuses on global resources rather than regional resources
    • When picking a provider, is there a clear winner? AWS or GCP? Consider company’s values, internal capabilities, resources needed, and workload
    • GCP’s tendency to end service on something people are still using vs. AWS never ending a service tends to push people in one direction
    • GCP has built a smaller set of services that are easy to get started with, while AWS has an overwhelming number of services
    • Different Philosophies: Not every developer writes software as if they work at Google; AWS meets customers where they are, fixes issues, and drops prices
    • GCP understands where it needs to catch up and continues to iterate and release features

    Links:

    • Daniel Compton
    • Daniel Compton on Twitter
    • Google Cloud Platform - The Good, Bad, and Ugly (It’s Mostly Good)
    • Deps
    • The REPL
    • Postmortem for GCP Load Balancer Outage
    • AWS Athena
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 26: I’m not a data scientist, but I work for an AI/ML startup building on Serverless Containers Sep 04, 2018
    Show notes

    Do you deal with a lot of data? Do you need to analyze and interpret data? Veritone’s platform is designed to ingest audio, video, and other data through batch processes to process the media and attach output, such as transcripts or facial recognition data.

    Today, we’re talking to Christopher Stobie, a DevOps professional with more than seven years of experience building and managing applications. Currently, he is the director of site reliability engineering at Veritone in Costa Mesa, Calif. Veritone positions itself as a provider of artificial intelligence (AI) tools designed to help other companies analyze and organize unstructured data. Previously, Christopher was a technical account manager (TAM) at Amazon Web Services (AWS); lead DevOps engineer at Clear Capital; lead DevOps engineer at ESI; Cloud consultant at Credera; and Patriot/THAAD Missile Fire Control in the U.S. Army. Besides staying busy with DevOps and missiles, he enjoys playing racquetball in short shorts and drinking good (not great) wine.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Various problems can be solved with AI; companies are spending time and money on AI
    • Tasks can be automated that are too intelligent to write around simple software
    • Machine learning (ML) models are applicable for many purposes; real people with real problems and who are not academics can use ML
    • Fargate is instant-on Docker containers as a service; handles infrastructure scaling, but involves management expense
    • Instant-on works with numerous containers, but there will probably be a time when it no longer delivers reasonable fleet performance on demand
    • Decision to use Kafka was based on workload, stream-based ingestion
    • Veritone’s writes code that tries to avoid provider lock-in; wants to make an integration as decoupled as possible
    • People spend too much time and energy being agnostic to their technology and giving up benefits
    • If you dream about seeing your name up in lights, Christopher describes the process of writing a post for AWS
    • Pain Points: Newness of Fargate and unfamiliarity with it; limit issues; unable to handle large containers

    Links:

    • Veritone
    • Christopher Stobie on LinkedIn
    • Building Real Time AI with AWS Fargate
    • SageMaker
    • Fargate
    • Docker
    • Kafka
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 25: Kubernetes is Named After the Greek God of Spending Money on Cloud Services Aug 28, 2018
    Show notes

    Google builds platforms for developers and strives to make them happy. There's a team at Google that wakes up every day to make sure developers have great outcomes with its services and products. The team listens to the developers and brings all feedback back into Google. It also spends a lot of time all over the world talking to and connecting with developer communities and showing stuff being worked on. It doesn't do the team any good to build developer products that developers don’t love.

    Today, we’re talking to Adam Seligman, vice president of developer relations at Google, where he is responsible for the global developer community across product areas. He is the ears and voice for customers.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Google tackles everything in an open source way: Shipping feedback, iteration, and building communities
    • Storytelling - the Tale of Kubernetes: in a short period of time, gone from being open source that Google spearheaded to something sweeping the industry
    • Rise of containerization inside Linux Kernel is an opportunity for Google to share container management technology and philosophy with the world
    • Google Next: Knative journey toward lighter-weight serverless-based applications; and GKE On-Prem, customers and teams working with Kubernetes running on premise
    • Innovation: When logging into GCP console, you can terminate all billable resources assigned to project and access tab for building by hand
    • GCP's console development strategy includes hard work on documentation, making things easy to use, and building thoughtfulness in grouping services
    • Google is about design goals, tradeoffs, and metrics; it’s about hyper scale and global footprint of requirements, as well as supporting every developer
    • Conception 1: Google builds HyperScale Reid-Centric user partitioned apps and don't build globally consistent data driven apps
    • Conception 2: Software engineers at the top Internet companies do the code and write amazing things instantly
    • 12-Factor App: Opinions of how to architect apps; developers should have choices, but take away some cognitive and operating load complexity
    • Businesses are running core workloads on Google, which had to put atomic clocks in data centers and private fiber networking to make it all work
    • Perception that Google focuses on new things, rather than supporting what's been released; industry is on a treadmill chasing shiny things and creating noise
    • Industry needs to be welcoming and inclusive; a demand for software, apps, and innovation, but number of developers remains because everyone’s not included
    • Human vs. Technology: More investment and easier onboarding with technology and an obligation to build local communities
    • Goal: Take database complexity and start removing it for lots of use cases and simplify things for users to deal with replication, charting, and consistency issues
    • DevFest: Google has about 800 Google developer groups that do a lot of things to build local communities and write code together

    Links:

    • Adam Seligman on Twitter
    • 12-Factor App
    • I Want to Build a World Spanning Search Engine on Top of GCP
    • DevFest
    • Kubernetes
    • Docker
    • Heroku
    • Google Next
    • Google Reader
    .

    Episode 24: Serverless Observability via the bill is terrible Aug 21, 2018
    Show notes

    What is serverless? What do people want it to be? Serverless is when you write your software, deploy it to a Cloud vendor that will scale and run it, and you receive a pay-for-use bill. It’s not necessarily a function of a service, but a concept.

    Today, we’re talking to Nitzan Shapira, co-founder and CEO of Epsagon, which brings observability to serverless Cloud applications by using distributed tracing and artificial intelligence (AI) technologies. He is a software engineer with experience in software development, cyber security, reverse engineering, and machine learning.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Modern renaissance of “functions as a service” compared to past history; is as abstracted as it can be, which means almost no constraints
    • If you write your own software, ship it, and deploy it - it counts as serverless
    • Some treat serverless as event-driven architecture where code swings into action
    • When being strategic to make it more efficient, plan and develop an application with specific and complicated functioning
    • Epsagon is a global observer for what the industry is doing and how it is implementing serverless as it evolves
    • Trends and use cases include focusing on serverless first instead of the Cloud
    • Economic Argument: Less expensive than running things all the time and offers ability to trace capital flow; but be cautious about unpredictable cost
    • Use bill to determine how much performance and flow time has been spent
    • Companies seem to be trying to support every vendor’s serverless offering; when it comes to serverless, AWS Lambda appears to be used most often
    • Not easy to move from one provider to another; on-premise misses the point
    • People starting with AWS Lambda need familiarity with other services, which can be a reasonable but difficult barrier that’s worth the effort
    • Managing serverless applications may have to be done through a third party
    • Systemic view of how applications work focuses on overall health of a system, not individual function
    • Epsagon is headquartered in Israel, along with other emerging serverless startups; Israeli culture fuels innovation

    Links:

    • Epsagon
    • Email Nitzan Shapira
    • Nitzan Shapira on Twitter
    • Heroku
    • Google App Engine
    • AWS Elastic Beanstalk
    • Lambda
    • Amazon CloudWatch
    • AWS X-Ray
    • Simon Wardley
    • Charity Majors
    • Start-Up Nation
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 23: Most Likely to be Misunderstood: The Myth of Cloud Agnosticism Aug 09, 2018
    Show notes

    It is easy to pick apart the general premise of Cloud agnosticism being a myth. What about reasonable use cases? Well, generally, when you have a workload that you want to put on multiple Cloud providers, it is a bad idea. It’s difficult to build and maintain. Providers change, some more than others. The ability to work with them becomes more complex. Yet, Cloud providers rarely disappoint you enough to make you hurry and go to another provider.

    Today, we’re talking to Jay Gordon, Cloud developer advocate for MongoDB, about databases, distribution of databases, and multi-Cloud strategies. MongoDB is a good option for people who want to build applications quicker and faster but not do a lot of infrastructural work.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Easier to consider distributed data to be something reliable and available, than not being reliable and available
    • People spend time buying an option that doesn’t work, at the cost of feature velocity
    • If Cloud provider goes down, is it the end of the world?
    • Cloud offers greater flexibility; but no matter what, there should be a secondary option when a critical path comes to a breaking point
    • Hand-off from one provider to another is more likely to cause an outage than a multi-region single provider failure
    • Exclusion of Cloud Agnostic Tooling: The more we create tools that do the same thing regardless of provider, there will be more agnosticism from implementers
    • Workload-dependent where data gravity dictates choices; bandwidth isn’t free
    • Certain services are only available on one Cloud due to licensing; but tools can help with migration
    • Major service providers handle persistent parts of architecture, and other companies offer database services and tools for those providers
    • Cost may/may not be a factor why businesses stay with 1 instead of multi-Cloud
    • How much RPO and RTO play into a multi-Cloud decision
    • Selecting a database/data store when building; consider security encryption

    Links:

    • Jay Gordon on Twitter
    • MongoDB
    • The Myth of Cloud Agnosticism
    • Heresy in the Church of Docker
    • Kubernetes
    • Amazon Secrets Manager
    • JSON
    • Digital Ocean
    .

    Episode 22: The Chaos Engineering experiment that is us-east-1 Aug 07, 2018
    Show notes

    Trying to convince a company to embrace the theory and idea of Chaos Engineering is an uphill battle. When a site keeps breaking, Gremlin’s plan involves breaking things intentionally. How do you introduce chaos as a step toward making things better?

    Today, we’re talking to Ho Ming Li, lead solutions architect at Gremlin. He takes a strategic approach to deliver holistic solutions, often diving into the intersection of people, process, business, and technology. His goal is to enable everyone to build more resilient software by means of Chaos Engineering practices.

    Some of the highlights of the show include:

    • Ho Ming Li previously worked as a technical account manager (TAM) at Amazon Web Services (AWS) to offer guidance on architectural/operational best practices
    • Difference between and transition to solutions architect and TAM at AWS
    • Role of TAM as the voice and face of AWS for customers
    • Ultimate goal is to bring services back up and make sure customers are happy
    • Amazon Leadership Principles: Mutually beneficial to have the customer get what they want, be happy with the service, and achieve success with the customer
    • Chaos Engineering isn’t about breaking things to prove a point
    • Chaos Engineering takes a scientific approach
    • Other than during carefully staged DR exercises, DR plans usually don’t work
    • Availability Theater: A passive data center is not enough; exercise DR plan
    • Chaos Engineering is bringing it down to a level where you exercise it regularly to build resiliency
    • Start small when dealing with availability
    • Chaos Engineering is a journey of verifying, validating, and catching surprises in a safe environment
    • Get started with Chaos Engineering by asking: What could go wrong?
    • Embrace failure and prepare for it; business process resilience
    • Gremlin’s GameDay and Chaos Conf allows people to share experiences

    Links:

    • Ho Ming Li on Twitter
    • Gremlin
    • Gremlin on Twitter
    • Gremlin on Facebook
    • Gremlin on Instagram
    • Gremlin: It’s GameDay
    • Chaos Engineering Slack
    • Chaos Conf
    • Amazon Leadership Principles
    • Adrian Cockcroft and Availability Theater
    • Digital Ocean
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