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    Scoutmaster Podcast 357 Kevin Callan and Winter Camping Nov 27, 2017
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    Kevin Callan is here, it’s time to go winter camping!

    Canada’s Happy Camper, our friend Kevin Callan, author of the new Complete Guide to Winter Camping joins us on this podcast with his welcoming way of sharing his knowledge of the woods in winter. You’ll see right away how Kevin has earned the name “happy camper”, he’s a passionate, devoted outdoorsman.

    Whether it’s your first or 101st winter camping trip you’ll find the guide a fantastic resource. Kevin draws on a lifetime of experience and compiles the expert advice of many other seasoned winter campers and explorers.

    As you’ll hear us discuss ideal winter camping begin when the thermometer hits freezing and well below. The guide presents shelter, clothing, and sleep system options, and teaches you how to venture into the “paradise below zero” safely. Learn how to track animals, check ice thickness, make white pie tea and enjoy in comfort, rather than survive, the wintery world waiting for you.

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    Get your copy of the Complete Guide to Winter Camping

    Gear and books discussed in this podcast –

    Calvin Rustrum’s Paradise Below Zero

    Garrett Conover’s Snow Walker’s Companion

    Read my review of Cliff Jacobson’s Expedition Canoeing

    The “killy kittle” Kelly Kettle Camp Stove

    Merino wool long johns from Woolpower and Minus 33

    SOL Bivy for upgrading your sleeping bag

    Really cool 1970’s Glacier Glasses

    Neos over boots read my review here

    Lure of the North Anorak Kit

    Happy Wanderer Opening Music

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    Choosing Appalachian Trail Gear Nov 21, 2017
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    Here’s some advice from Wade Bastian on the Appalachian trail gear he carried on his hike. Wade set out on the 2200 mile trail with fellow Eagle Scout Bucky Kellorg in February. As planned, Wade interrupted his hike to spend the summer employed as a peak steward in New York’s Adirondack mountains (he’s stewarding a peak in the photo above). Bucky completed the trail in July, here he is on Katahdin with fellow hiker Brightside You can listen to Wade and Bucky from the trail on the Scoutmaster Podcast – 338 – Eagles on the Appalachian Trail 340 – On the Appalachian Trail Again 346 – Back on The Appalachian Trail Again I asked Wade to share what he carried and how his choices changed over the months he spent on the trail, (he also shared some trail lessons in another article). Here’s what I carried and why. You can spend as much time and money as you like researching and buying “perfect” gear. The higher the investment the more likely you are to put up with stuff that doesn’t work 100%. I chose things I had used and tested myself in Scouts and afterward. We stuck with simple, proven gear rather than experimenting with new gadgets. Cooking We kept our cooking simple. Stove, pot, and two plain old stainless steel teaspoons. We were told a few times how much weight we could save with plastic spoons and politely thanked people for their advice. We prepared tons of dried meals that we had mailed to us as we went along. These meals were the backbone of our menu supplemented with your average, run-of-the-mill food we picked up at grocery stores along the way. We carried salt, pepper, curry powder, old bay, chili powder, and one I spice I can’t recall that seemed like something you’d want to have but we didn’t use much. MSR WhisperLite MSR PocketRocket Since we started in February we decided to carry two stoves in the beginning. Liquid fuel stoves are reliable performers in cold weather, canister’s not so much because the canister can freeze up. Liquid fuel is cheaper and easily available (sold by the ounce at outfitters along the trail), but pressurizing the fuel bottle and priming the stove is a pain. The MSR PocketRocket was our backup stove. It would have been adequate except for the few days it was too cold and the canisters were slow. Eventually I sent the WhisperLite home because the canisters were so much easier to use. MSR WhisperLite StoveMSR PocketRocket 2 Stove GSI Outdoors Pinnacle Pot The 1.8 liter pot was just big enough to prepare a meal for two hungry hikers. The lid is kind of wonky; the rubber gasket fell off every other day. GSI Outdoors Pinnacle Pot Outdoor Research Durable Dry Sack, 20 Liter This was our food storage bag. Heavier than the lightweight green dry bag I used for clothes (see below). Hung it in out in the rain quite a few times. 20 liters was just big enough for all our food, toiletries, pot, stove, and anything else that might attract bears or (more importantly) mice. Outdoor Research Durable Dry Sack, 20 Liter Water 1.5 L Nalgene Wide Mouth Bottle My water bottle wasn’t clean and new like the one pictured above. It’s an old, sticker-covered, friend I have carried for years. The 1.5 liter size is bigger than the average Nalgene, but I drink lots of water, so the bigger the bottle the better. I started with a hard-sided version, but it fell from the second story of the Partnership shelter in Virginia and the top broke off, and I replaced it with a soft-sided 1.5 liter. 1.5 L Nalgene Wide Mouth Bottle Water Filters MSR Miniworks EX Katadyn Hiker Pro Sawyer Mini I started with the MSR Minworks EX and my hiking partner had a Katadyn Hiker Pro. We found the Katadyn was easier to use so the MSR filter was sent home early on (no need for two water filters). Along the way we had a store credit to spend so I got the Sawyer Mini. I ended up using it more often because it was even faster and easier to use than the Katadyn. MSR Miniworks EX Katadyn Hiker Pro Sawyer Products Mini Water Filtration System Aquatabs Aquatabs was our backup purifying method. Convenient and light. The chlorine taste doesn’t bother me, especially after living in a swimming pool working at our Scout camp for nine summers. Aquatabs Shelter EMS Sugar Shack 3 I’ve had this tent for a few years, it’s a fantastic tent, but just a little too heavy for thru hiking. We divided carrying it between two of us (one carried the poles and one the fly and tent). This is sold for three people, and is actually big enough for 3. With two people we had plenty of room to bring our packs inside or dry out wet gear. The Sugar Shack 3 is no longer available, check out the similar Limelight from Marmot. Big Agnes Lost Ranger Sleeping Bag This bag has served me for more years than I thought I would. It’s a little worn now, but nothing patches couldn’t fix. Because down insulation on the ground side of a bag is compressed to the point it’s no longer useful, Big Agnes bags only have a sleeping pad sleeve on the ground side of the bag. My upgraded Thermarest Neoair pad did not quite fit the sleeve, but the bag still performed admirably. Big Agnes Lost Ranger Sleeping Bag: 15-Degree Down Therm-A-Rest NeoAir XLite Sleeping Pad This is the greatest sleeping pad ever. Light, packs in the same space as a water bottle, and it inflates to pure cushiony goodness. Therm-A-Rest NeoAir XLite Sleeping Pad Sleeping bag in Sea to Summit stuff sack Upgraded my sleeping bag stuff sack 100 miles in. Freed up space in my pack, more durable, definitely a change for the better. Sea to Summit Stuff Sack Clothing Outdoor Research Ultralight Dry Sack, 35 Liter I packed my clothes and sleeping bag (in it’s own stuff sack) in this monster bag and never came close to filling it up. It was wide enough to fill the bottom of my pack but a smaller bag would do fine. Outdoor Research Ultralight Dry Sack, 35 Liter Transcendent Down Hoody I wanted a down insulated “puffy” jacket because it would be light and pack small. Based on the good reputation Outdoor Research gear I gave the Transcendent down hoody a try. Now it ranks as my favorite piece of new gear. Comfy and incredibly warm; the first thing I put on in the evening after reaching camp and the last thing I took off before leaving in the morning. I added a base layer when it was cold enough, otherwise the jacket alone did the job. The hood cinched down tight and was a great thing to have on cold mornings. The jacket served double duty as a pillow (in my sleeping bag stuff sack) making it easy to find first thing in the morning. Outdoor Research Men’s Transcendent Hoodie Helium II jacket, Helium pants Lightweight options I’ve carried on day hikes and weekend trips for a few years No matter how breathable it may be If I wear a rain jacket and pants sweat pours out of the sleeves. Rather than worrying about my rain gear being breathable or absolutely waterproof I chose gear that would wear well and give me plenty of protection from the wind. I was impressed with the Helium II jacket and got the pants too. I patched a hole I put in the pants the first time I wore them. Both the jacket and pants performed well. Helium IIHelium Pants Under Armor base layer I got it this long sleeved base layer during my first years in Scouts (it’s probably 15 years old) and now it’s stained and weird. Very light, dries fast. Under Armor base layer Long sleeve sport science red shirt My go-to long sleeve camp shirt. The poly-cotton blend is surprisingly warm (I kept this after I sent my base layers home) and it has a cool retro old man backpacking design (I was often asked where I got it). This wasn’t a hiking shirt, I kept it dry to wear in camp, and it was nice enough to wear in town. I also carried polypro long underwear bottoms to wear as a dry layer in camp. These are so old I can’t tell what brand they are. I’ve had them forever, they are nice and warm, one of my favorite cold weather garments. See the polypro long underwear tops and bottoms in the Gear Guide Compression Shorts I may have mentioned I sweat, maybe more than average, so chafing is always a problem. I started with EMS synthetic boxer briefs. They did minimize the problem, although I eventually mailed these home and started wearing compression shorts, they were more comfortable than the boxer briefs. Compression Shorts Darn Tough Men’s Hiker Boot Sock Simply said these are great socks. A friend who wore a hole in her Darn Toughs got a free replacement pair at a store in Damascus, they’re guaranteed for life, no problem. Comfortable, the best socks hands down. Darn Tough Men’s Hiker Boot Sock Liner Socks liners socks wick moisture away and prevent blisters. Have I mentioned I sweat a lot? On hot days in heavy boots these were a godsend. Liner Socks Outdoor Research Mitten Shells I wore these over my gloves on a few cold days and they did keep my hands dry and warm. The only problem was the XL size was too big, so I’ll get either smaller shells or thicker gloves. Outdoor Research Mitten Shells Minus33 Merino Wool gloves I don’t get cold hands most of the time, so I went for a lightweight glove. These were thinner than I thought they would be, but they kept my hands warm, especially on the cold nights. They were a little small, I’ll get the next size up or a thicker glove. Minus33 Merino Wool Gloves Pack Cover Sea to Summit Siliconized Cordura Pack Cover The pack cover I started with disappeared somewhere in the Smokies. I replaced it with a sea to summit pack cover in Hot Springs. I got the heavier version because a pack cover gets a lot of wear and tear from trees and bushes, let alone setting down and picking up my pack on rainy days. Some fellow hikers used heavy duty contractor bags as pack liners rather than using a pack cover. Sea to Summit SN240 Ultra-Light Siliconized Cordura Pack Cover Lighting Luci Solar Lantern This was a gift I would not even have considered buying for myself. Now I have it I love it. It’s easy to charge, lightweight and puts out enough light to illuminate most of a shelter lit up if it’s hanging from the ceiling. Luci Solar Lantern Black Diamond Spot Headlamp Serviceable, simple, durable. Spend a little more than you would at the discount store, it’s worth it. Black Diamond Spot Headlamp Electronics SPOT 3 Satellite GPS Messenger My mom asked me to get this. The first one was broken, I got a replacement but it wasn’t very useful. I sent “I’m OK!” messages for a while, and eventually stopped using it altogether. SPOT 3 Satellite GPS Messenger Anker PowerCore 10000 milliamp external battery and cables Picked this up before we got into the Smokies so I could use my phone as my main camera. Kind of heavy, but charged my phone 4-5 times (depending on temperature). Worth the weight. Anker PowerCore 10000 Miscellaneous Gear SAM Splint I’ve been carrying a regular sized SAM splint since I took a Wilderness First Responder. I’ve never had to use it, and I eventually sent it home, but it made me feel good having it. SAM Splint My first aid kit was a simple homemade kit with two ACE bandages, one roll of medical tape, several sizes of band-aids, gauze pads, moleskin, Ibuprofen, Tylenol, Neosporin, and gloves (could have trimmed some stuff at the beginning) Compass Basic compass, only needed it once but I wouldn’t go without it. Silva 1-2-3 Compass Rite in the Rain All-Weather Top-Spiral Notebook Kept a log each day for the first six weeks, this was reduced to noting funny quotes and memorable things as they happened. Rite in the Rain All-Weather Top-Spiral Notebook AWOL’s A.T. Guide Northbound 2017 Most through hikers use the AWOL guide or the Guthook App. One hiker I met took pictures of each day’s pages on their phone to access while they were hiking. I did the same thing because getting the book out all the time was tiresome. Both AWOL and Guthook have an elevation profile, road crossings, water sources, shelters, and towns. Guthook has a neat GPS feature that tracks your location on the elevation profile so you know where you are and how far it is to the next shelter/water source/whatever. AWOL’s A.T. Guide Northbound 2017 Dr. Bronner’s Pure-Castile Liquid Soap Highly contracted, refreshing, used it for everything, really does a great job. Dr. Bronner’s Pure-Castile Liquid Soap Tiger Balm Red The best for any sore muscles. Small jar lasts a long time. Tiger Balm Red Don’t miss the ScoutmasterCG.com Outdoor Gear guide Check out these helpful gear infographics Outdoor Clothing 101 Outdoor Footwear 101 Ten Essentials Backpack Basics

    Full show notes at the publisher

    Scoutmaster Podcast 356 Energy and Vision Nov 20, 2017
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    Expertise and experience are overrated

    Scouts need Scouters with energy and vision more than Scouters with expertise and experience. Scouts don’t care what you know, they respond to who you are.

    In this podcast I answer three email questions.

    The first (begins at 1:05) comes from a new Scouter contemplating becoming a Scoutmaster, but is concerned they are inexperienced. I was a very inexperienced Scoutmaster, so I know you can do this. You’ll will make plenty of “mistakes” but those are really the joy of it all. What you really need to be a good Scoutmaster is energy and vision.

    What some experienced Scouters believe is important is really just window dressing. Aim your energy and vision at making it possible for Scouts to go camping with their friends and everything else will follow.

    The Second email answer (begins at 9:45) suggests how to resolve a standoff with a Scoutmaster who refuses to do their part for an Eagle candidate. Another concerned parent blindsided by a, no doubt, well-intentioned, but wrongheaded Scoutmaster. Spoiler alert – another classic ambush where the Scoutmaster does not think the Scout has been active enough.

    Notes for the second email answer –

    • Boards of review under disputed circumstances – Guide to Advancement

    I discuss who decides merit badge requirements are fulfilled, and how to make those decisions in the third email answer (begins at 14:20). Many times these sorts of things do require making a judgement call, but there’s no reason a merit badge counsellor or Scouter make that judgement call on their own. Our work is developing character, and this is a great opportunity to do just that. We ought to make the most of the opportunity to apply the oath and law to these situations.

    Notes for the third email answer –

    • Counselor’s decision whether to accept work or activities completed prior to the issuing of the signed blue card – Guide to Advancement
    • Fulfilling More Than One Requirement With a Single Activity- Guide to Advancement

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    Seven Appalachian Trail Lessons Plus Three Nov 15, 2017
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    These Appalachian Trail Lessons come from Wade Bastian, one of two of my old Scouts hiking the 2200 mile trail. Wade and fellow Eagle Scout Bucky Kellorg started in February. As planned, Wade interrupted his hike to spend the summer employed as a peak steward in New York’s Adirondack mountains

    Bucky completed the trail in July, here he is on Katahdin with fellow hiker Brightside

    You can listen to Wade and Bucky from the trail on the Scoutmaster Podcast –

    338 – Eagles on the Appalachian Trail

    340 – On the Appalachian Trail Again

    346 – Back on The Appalachian Trail Again

    I asked Wade to share what he learned on the trail, (he also shares some great gear tips in this article).

    Here’s a seven Appalachian Trail lessons I’ve learned from the first few months of my through hike –

    • Hiking every day is hard, but not how you’d expect
    • Sometimes you can’t eat enough
    • Good Eats – Good Attitude
    • Pace yourself, there’s no shame in zero
    • Just because you can doesn’t mean you should
    • Gear wears out fast
    • Be Prepared; more than a motto

    Hiking every day is hard, but not how you’d expect.

    I expected challenging, even brutal, physical challenges, and had plenty. They were not difficult as I imagined. I dreaded the idea of setting up camp, cooking, and the more mundane chores of the trip but they made for a pleasant routine. The hardest thing to accept, the most difficult part of this endeavor, was overcoming the sheer monotony of hiking every day, for 2200 miles.

    I had no idea this was even a thing.

    Hiking with a friend two is great, talking and joking your way along. I couldn’t imagine doing this alone. Solo hikers say they want to collect their thoughts, find themselves, figure out what they want to do with their life. Some listened to audiobooks, others listened to music or podcasts, but even those distractions grew monotonous.

    That kind of solitude isn’t for everyone.

    Sometimes you can’t eat enough

    Within a week or two of starting northward I met a southbound hiker who was just days away from completing his hike. He advised me to stock up on food that I liked because I’d find getting enough to eat difficult.

    Eating enough difficult? Really? Most of us think in terms of eating too much and I couldn’t imagine not being able to eat enough.

    As a Summit Steward in the Adirondacks I experienced “Hiker Hunger” (insatiable, crazy, rampaging, dinosaur hunger) carrying heavy loads up steep trails. I knew I should snack at 2 to 3 hour intervals, and I did when we started.

    As our daily mileage increased, my energy levels dropped. It took a while to figure out I wasn’t getting enough calories.

    After I started snacking constantly my energy levels and attitude improved.

    1300 miles later I slam down tons of candy, energy bars, anything I can get, and still lose weight.

    Good Eats – Good Attitude

    Eating well is important to your health, but it also has a huge effect on your attitude.

    Bucky, my hiking partner, and I prepared great dried dinners before we started. Plenty of veggies, various proteins and carbohydrates. Because we had a tasty dinner nearly every day, we felt better, and our attitudes were better too.

    What really drove this home was three days at an organic farm in Virginia. It was remarkable how good we felt after feasting on the healthiest farm-raised meats and other goodies. We returned to the trail with great attitudes, ready for anything.

    Gear wears out fast

    Many nights in camp we fixed worn-out gear hoping it would last another hundred miles.

    Gear takes a real beating when you are hiking every day for months, and wears out faster than you’d expect. I started with brand new, high quality, gear but I was constantly fixing or replacing something.

    I punched a hole in my rain pants the first day. Add a ripped jacket, holes in a dry bag, and diminishing waterproofing in nearly everything in differing degrees of severity. I bought new socks and pants (people occasionally say unkind things about my favorite shirt but I am keeping it). Boots that normally last for years of regular hiking barely made 1300 miles.

    Pace yourself, there’s no shame in zero.

    I read most through-hikers planned to cover 15 or 20 miles a day and take one zero day (that’s what we real hikers call a day off) a week.

    Wait, a day off?

    Blasphemers! Anyone who takes days off can’t call themselves a true hiker, right? What a bunch of babies. Me? I can hike 20 miles a day nonstop for months.

    Yeah, I know, I am young and foolish.

    I was starting off in pretty good shape (in my own mind). I’m an Adirondack Mountain peak steward, I eat miles for breakfast!

    I ignored 20 pounds I gained during 4 months I did little more than sit around prior to the hike. I ignored the weight of my backpack and just kept adding stuff to it.

    We hiked 17 miles our first day, a day now celebrated as The Day I Wrecked My Knees.

    Just because you can doesn’t mean you should

    On the second day, trying to cover 15 miles, I folded from extreme pain and stress in my knees.

    The third day we covered 5 miles to a hostel, took a zero day, hiked two more days, and I was forced to stop.

    I overestimated my abilities. I was a wreck.

    After a full week’s rest, my knees felt better. When we reached Franklin North Carolina, we stopped at Outdoor 76, an outdoor store that prides themselves on being foot care experts.

    I asked the expert at Outdoor 76 if there were insoles or exercises that would help my knee problem (inflammation of the IT band).

    He said that’s not what I needed, that my trouble was pushing too hard in the beginning.

    He likened through hiking to baseball; “Baseball pitchers take spring training slowly. If they try to throw a 100 MPH pitch in the spring they’d blow out an arm for the season, if not the rest of their life. They build up to the 100 MPH pitch slowly.”

    Okay, that makes sense, I thought.

    He continued; “Right now, you’re in the spring training phase of your hike, aim for 10 mile days. Most hikers doing 15-20 mile days push too hard, many develop injuries, and some will be forced to leave the trail. I see it all the time.”

    I came away understanding if you push too hard because you think you have something to prove leads to getting hurt. Slow down and rest or be forced to, or to give up the trail.

    Hikers who have nothing to prove go easy, build up their endurance, and finish the trail.

    I had started out having something to prove. Besides, I hate sitting around when I could be out hiking! I decided then and there I wanted to finish the trail, even if it meant resetting my expectations.

    Patience paid off. Back on the trail at a more realistic 5-10 miles a day my knees were soon back to full strength.

    Before long we started logging twenty mile days regularly, but still took zero days at least once a week. It was nice having a day to relax, shower, and recover.

    Now that I don’t feel like I have anything to prove I know I can finish the trail and I am truly enjoying the hike.

    Be Prepared; more than a motto

    My appreciation for being prepared comes from being a Scout who was allowed to be as miserable as he wanted.

    We were told what to bring backpacking, what to expect, and the skills we would need. Naturally we didn’t listen, our Scout leaders knew we didn’t listen, they knew we’d be miserable, but thankfully they let us be as miserable as we wanted. My health and safety were never in real danger, they wouldn’t let that happen, but I had the opportunity to experience things for myself.

    I remember blubbering from pain and exhaustion during my first ever backpacking trip. I remember hating those stupid adults and their smug smiles. It would take a while to understand how having less than pleasant experiences would make me better at backpacking (and a lot of other things too). Experience has become my most trusted and honest teacher.

    In addition – three trail-related life lessons that go beyond hiking –

    • Little things mean a lot.
    • Uphill climbs don’t last forever, and neither do downhills.
    • If you are making progress you’ll never stop being sore.

    Scoutmaster Podcast 355 When Scouts Misbehave Nov 13, 2017
    Show notes

    What do I do now?

    A Scout misbehaves, makes a mistake, or even consciously does something wrong, and things spin out of control, now what?

    If you hang around long enough your Scouts misbehave, and you’ll will be confronted by this sort of incident, so what is your plan?

    I’ll discuss an incident shared with me some time ago to illustrate some core ideas about the crucial things a Scouter ought to know.

    You can read more about the subject in Constructive Scouting Discipline.

    It is a continuous struggle to measure supervision against granting the latitude required to grow and understand the oath and law. We can’t compel compliance if we expect the oath and law to have lasting effect. We only have a lasting effect if they internalize the ideals we champion voluntarily as a shared belief.

    When I have had problems, and there have been plenty in 35 years, I am reminded that Scouting should be a very safe space for Scouts who fail, make mistakes, even those who consciously do bad things. Hopefully we surround our Scouts with compassionate, caring adults who have a sense of proportion and experience in addressing behavior problems in young people.

    In This Podcast

    0:09 The steaks are too high
    1:37 A Wedding Story
    3:34 When Scouts Misbehave

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    BSA Separate But Equal Plan for Girls Oct 23, 2017
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    I did not start out as a believer in co-ed Scouting. For most of the last 35 years I’ve been a volunteer with the Boy Scouts of America the status quo worked fine for me, co-ed Scouting was a big unknown, and being unknown it was something to resist.

    Three Things That Changed My Mind.

    First – during a week-long international Scouting trip several years ago (and two more since) I watched co-ed Scouting at work. Almost every other Scouting association in the world is co-ed. Most of us haven’t seen co-ed Scouting in action on that scale. It wasn’t complicated, a Scout is a Scout, it was that simple.

    Second – I’ve talked to Scouters from many different parts of the world at length about co-ed Scouting. I probed for problems or regrets, I didn’t find any.

    Third – and most important, nearly six years ago our first grandchild was born. Before long she’ll be old enough to have the same experiences and advantages Scouting afforded her Eagle Scout father.

    I know and admire Girl Scouts and Girl Scout leaders but the Girl Scouts of the USA does not offer the same experience her father had. The GSA and BSA are separate organizations with meaningful differences between their programs. Some Scouts will do better in one versus the other, not because of their gender, but because of their interests and ambitions.

    There’s no reason gender should limit the opportunities my granddaughter (or any child) has in life. I think my granddaughter and her parents ought to be able to choose the Scouting program and organization that best fits her interests and ambitions.

    A week ago it seemed she’d have this choice, but now I am not so sure.

    It’s been a weird couple of months.

    Let me explain.

    Background

    I retired as a Scoutmaster four years ago. I returned to the role for a year because our next Scoutmaster wasn’t quite ready to take over. My fill-in year ended in August when I, along with many unit volunteers, received an email invitation from our local Council Executive:

    There has been much talk about “Family Scouting” and ways to perhaps serve girls in the elementary and middle school years. On Thursday, after the rather “canned” national presentation, there will be an opportunity for discussion. More importantly, there will be an opportunity for you to send you thoughts and comments directly to the National team that is tasked with studying this opportunity.

    Our Committee Chair and new Scoutmaster told me they would be attending. I decided I’d stay away because I am fidgety and impatient at meetings of any kind. Besides, given the chance, I end up talking too much.

    I did, however, have something to say on the subject, so I decided I’d write a blog post.

    I Write A Blog Post

    Blog posts begin with an idea, and several hours writing a first draft. I usually let that draft sit for a few days or weeks, sometimes months. When I look at them again I may decide not to publish them at all. About one in three drafts aren’t published for various reasons.

    My recent post, Girls in The BSA?, wasn’t something I came up with on a whim. I’ve been thinking, talking, and writing about co-ed Scouting for years. In addition to the usual draft and revision regimen I also asked a professor of developmental psychology to review the post. I asked them to check the accuracy of my statements about gender. After a few more hours of revisions I published the post earlier this month.

    Girls in the BSA? asks if gender ought to define Scouting. I answer no, a Scout is a Scout, and tell how I arrived at this conclusion. At 640 words it is an intentionally brief post. I was aiming at writing why I think this is the right thing to do as simply as I could.

    Many people responded to the post. The majority were positive, a significant number disagreed and a few who did got angry and/or called me names.

    A week later in podcast 354 Gender and Scouting I talked about the post and responses.

    Two days after that, to my great surprise, the BSA announced girls could become Cub Scouts beginning next fall. The announcement went on to say older girls would be allowed to participate in troops a year after that. The details were sparse, but the direction was clear (or so I thought). There was no connection between the timing of my posts and the announcement.

    I hurried to put together links to the announcement and associated resources.

    I was overjoyed the BSA made this decision, and stunned at how quickly it had happened.

    Not So Fast!

    After a few days it became clear things were not as I had hoped.

    At first I thought chartering organizations would choose from three options –

    1. Remaining as they are now, boys only.
    2. Separate units for girls and boys.
    3. A fully co-ed program.

    In the ensuing discussions, online and off, I had growing concerns.

    I never imagined the BSA intended to limit girls to a separate but equal plan. After all, they had to know that’s exactly what people would call it, and the uncomfortable associations it invokes. I thought they’d at least recognize this was a much more complex and unworkable than a co-ed plan. How is this consistent with why the BSA offers membership to girls in at all age levels?

    Before long readers and listeners sent links to things like this email from the BSA’s Key 3 (National President, Chief Scout Executive, and National Commissioner) that says in part:

    While our curriculum is relevant both to boys and girls, our commitment to single-gender offerings remains the same. Our decision does not make our programs co-ed. (Emphasis in the original.) We acknowledge and celebrate that boys and girls develop differently, and there are times that single-gender learning is most appropriate. We will maintain the experience boys have had in our organization while at the same time expanding our time-tested programs to girls and young women.

    (It’s understood, I suppose, this announcement does not affect coed Venturing.)

    I had read things wrong. There’s definitely no co-ed option.

    One Step forward, Two Steps Back.

    Take a step forward if you accept the premise that “that boys and girls develop differently, and there are times that single-gender learning is most appropriate.”

    Take two steps back if you don’t accept this premise.

    I am not out to stop you if you want to build your Scouting program on this premise.

    I am not advocating that the BSA mandates a fully co-ed organization.

    Families have legitimate differences in how they want to raise their children. Chartering organizations should have the choice to be fully co-ed, create separate girls-only groups, or remain boys only. This would be consistent with our history. Scouts from different religious backgrounds have had wide latitude in applying the program in a way consistent with their values for decades. Scouting should support any application of the program that helps young people in a way consistent with the oath and law.

    Now it’s clear the BSA separate but equal plan closes the door on the option of having fully co-ed packs and troops.

    Separate Isn’t Equal

    The emerging details of the BSA plan places girls in separate “girl only” dens and troops. The BSA has categorically stated there will be no fully co-ed program for girls in packs or troops.

    This plan invites association with the troubled history of “separate but equal”. An unfortunate, unavoidable, yet totally accurate definition of the plan announced for girls.

    To borrow a well-known phrase from the legal holding reached in the landmark Supreme Court case Brown v. Board of Education; separate is inherently unequal. Although the BSA is not subject to the kind of civil rights laws in Brown v. Board of Education the fundamental moral principle is identical.

    I am, by far, not the first to make this association. Others have used it before and after the announcement. While the BSA has not used the phrase the decision embodies the same concept.

    Why no Fully Co-Ed Option?

    What I find really puzzling is why a fully co-ed plan isn’t even an option. What evidence for or against the idea was studied? Was it even discussed? If so why was it rejected?

    Assuming chartering organizations can choose to remain boys only, or have separate but equal units, what does the BSA lose by permitting those who want it to have a fully co-ed program?

    One defense of the separate but equal plan is the assumption girls are more developmentally advanced than boys between the ages of 11-14. It’s assumed this difference gives girls in a co-ed troop an unfair advantage, they will run roughshod over the boys, and the boys will quit in despair. If this is the justification why can’t younger Cub Scouts be in fully co-ed dens? If differences in developmental stages are so important, why do we not separate boys in troops over 14 from boys under 14?

    Are our Scouts or our organization so entirely different from the rest of the world we can’t meet the challenges or reap the benefits of a co-ed program? The Scouts Association in the United Kingdom, (founded by Baden-Powell in 1907) rose to those challenges twenty six years ago when they became fully co-ed. So did Scouts Canada nineteen years ago, Scouts South Africa eighteen years ago, so has almost every other Scouting organization in the world. As of today only 13 of the 160-plus member organizations of the World Organization of the Scouting Movement, of which the BSA is a member, remain ‘boys only”.

    Valid questions remain about how the decision was reached, the motives behind it, it’s potential effects on other organizations, and the way it was announced, but they aren’t the most important answers we need.

    Can the BSA separate but equal plan actually work?

    How Will This Work?

    The BSA announcement mentions the goal of creating convenient programs for busy families. It’s difficult to see how the separate but equal plan achieves this goal.

    Establishing and serving separate but equal troops and Cub Scout dens will demand significantly more effort than accommodating 8 or 10 new Scouts in an a fully co-ed pack or troop.

    That additional effort and inconvenience is justified if it is the choice of families the chartering organization serves, but what if they prefer a fully co-ed program?

    We don’t yet know to what extent we’ll have to keep the girl troops and boy troops separated so we don’t know what the current plan does to our already crowded schedules. Will boy troops and girl troops share meeting space and time or go on camping trips together? Can they attend summer camp at the same time? Can they share existing volunteers or will we need to recruit a whole new set of volunteers?

    In Cub Scout packs scheduling looks less complicated. But requiring separate dens in Cub Scouts means recruiting additional den leaders to maintain smaller dens when it would otherwise make sense to combine them were a fully co-ed option available.

    These are just a few of the many questions that come to mind.

    At this point plenty of volunteers are asking themselves how they can possibly make this work.

    Wrestling With the Decision

    I understand if you find all this troubling. This is a big change.

    As the details become clearer I think a majority of volunteers are likely to disagree, in one way or another, with the BSA separate but equal plan.

    I think a lot of families won’t like it either.

    Someone defended the plan with the old chestnut “a good compromise leaves everyone equally dissatisfied”. Surely we can do better than that. Truly good compromises require the consideration opposing viewpoints to create a good agreement. It’s very hard work, but it can be done. People voluntarily comply with a good agreement because their concerns are equally satisfied. If everyone is dissatisfied it’s not”good”.

    We can, and will, find a way to work together on this, we are Scouters after all.

    The Greater Aim

    Maybe one thing we can all agree on is the greater aim of our work.

    Whatever our disagreements all of us strive to make it possible for our Scouts to embrace and live out the oath and law.

    From that perspective everything else is window dressing. The uniforms, badges, jargon, paperwork, hallowed traditions, and even the organizations themselves only exist to serve the greater aim.

    I support a fully co-ed option because I am confident boys and girls are strongest and safest working together as Scouts.

    You may choose to work with your Scouts differently. I don’t want to restrict how you work towards the greater aim.

    All I ask is the BSA extend the same courtesy.


    Where Scout Leadership Begins Oct 16, 2017
    Show notes

    Can you define Scout leadership without using the words “lead”, “leader”, or “leadership”?

    The Scout oath and law does a great job of defining leadership without any of those words.

    Look at the simple promise “to help other people at all times”.

    That’s where Scout leadership begins: helping other people at all times, by serving others and making things happen.

    Once you see the oath and law as a definition of leadership, things start to open up.

    To be a Scout is to be a leader

    Every Scout leads all the time. Sounds impossible right? It would be if we limited our definition of leadership to being in charge and directing others.

    My post “Every Scout a Leader” presents four kinds of to leadership;

    1. Lead yourself.
    2. Follow cooperatively.
    3. Assist your fellow Scouts.
    4. Direct your patrol and troop.

    Some situations demand a specific kind of leadership, yet all four ways are equal in importance. In many situations we are all four kinds of leader at once.

    We build skills, attitudes and perspectives that inspire Scouts to lead by helping other people. Promises in the oath and ideals of the law create a strong sense of duty, responsibility, and resolve aimed at serving others.

    When you are a Scout being a leader isn’t something you will become someday in the future, you are a leader right now.

    Things go off the rails if we view leadership as something granted to certain older Scouts, or we associate leadership with power and privilege rather than service. Scout leadership is not defined by organizational job descriptions, patches, and charts. Scout leadership is not a structure of power and privilege.

    I’ve never liked isolating leadership training into a special event because Scouting is always leadership training. If you are A Scout you simply can’t avoid learning the lessons of leadership.

    From the youngest Cub to the oldest Scout or Venturer we are training leaders.

    Every Scout is a Leader


    BSA Announces Family Scouting Oct 11, 2017
    Show notes

    BSA Announces Family Scouting

    Today the BSA announced Family Scouting starting next fall with girls in Cub Scouting, and “a program for older girls, which will be announced in 2018 and projected to be available in 2019, that will enable them to earn the Eagle Scout rank.”

    There are certainly a number of things to discuss but today I just wanted to post links to key resources about the announcement:

    BSA Press Release

    Family Scouting Factsheet

    Family Scouting Website

    Bryan On Scouting Post

    Family Scouting FAQ

    Also check out my two recent posts on the subject:

    Girls in the BSA?

    Gender and Scouting (Podcast 354)

    I want to reiterate that I am not a BSA offical, nor sponsored or endorsed by the BSA. This announcement is as much of a surprise to me as it likely is to you.

    I’ll be reading through the resources, start there to answer your questions, I won’t be much help because I don’t know any more about the specifics of these plans than anyone else.

    The best advice I can offer is just take a couple of deep breaths, there are always a lot more questions than answers at first.


    Scoutmaster Podcast 354 Gender and Scouting Oct 09, 2017
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    Should gender define Scouting?

    This week I want to discuss responses to a post I published last week about gender in Scouting: Girls in the BSA.

    The post garnered lot’s of responses both for and against the idea of the BSA becoming a co-ed organization, and I’ll discuss some of the objections in this podcast. The question of gender and Scouting can be an explosive one since gender issues have caused much consternation and disagreement over the years. Fortunately nearly all the Scouters who replied to last weeks post did so in a reasonably level tone, something uncommon in the average online discussion.

    A rough calculation of the responses revealed that 45% favored the change enthusiastically, 37% disagreed with equal enthusiasm, and 18% thought it was a good idea but expressed varied concerns.

    Organizations usually embrace cultural change slower than their individual members. Any organization of national scope and more than a century of service is likely to have found itself behind the curve because they are reluctant to face cultural realities – especially when championing a set of values and ethics trumpeted as unchanging and unalterable. It’s clear, however, that Scouting organizations have changed how they interpret and express their values many times. The motivations for change come from internal discussions and external pressures, things evolve, things change and these changes are not all bad.

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    Girls in the BSA? Oct 02, 2017
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    Yes, girls in the BSA.

    I want the BSA to be a fully co-ed organization with no limitations on how girls participate.

    Before you lose it understand I don’t think girls in the BSA should be forced on anyone. More about that later.

    I think we can and must make this happen for one simple reason: it is the right thing to do.

    I can’t say I always thought this way.

    We first visited Kandersteg International Scout Center in Switzerland six years ago. The vast majority of World Scouting is co-ed. How would my Scouts react to girls as Scouts on an equal footing with boys? Turns out I needn’t have worried. My Scouts accepted a Scout is a Scout regardless of their gender very quickly. It took me a little longer, but not much.

    I guess seeing is believing, at least that’s all it took for me. A Scout is a Scout: it really is as simple as that.

    I know it may take more to convince some folks this is the right thing to do. Before I talk about one caveat to having girls in the BSA here’s a simple question:

    Should Gender Define Scouting?

    Scouting in the United States is divided by gender. This division assumes girls and boys are fundamentally different and develop differently. This division also indicates we are okay with having gender continue to be a major determining factor in our children’s choices and futures.

    It is easy to find hundreds of studies documenting gender-based developmental differences. These studies may not explain the difference between biological sex characteristics and assigned gender roles. Fact is many of those developmental differences are caused by assigned gender roles, not biological sex characteristics.

    We are born with biological sex characteristics, but we learn gender roles.

    The taboos, definitions, and expectations of assigned gender roles woven into our religious beliefs, our families, our politics, our careers, and ourselves, are very powerful. Gender conditioning begins right away (pink for girls and blue for boys) so we accept it as the natural state of things.

    Gender roles are not biological, and they have not remained consistent. Within my lifetime they have changed considerably. I am old enough to recall when women first entered many traditionally male roles. This was remarkable enough to be newsworthy: “Town Hires First Lady Policeman”. Let’s also acknowledge enforcing gender roles as we do almost exclusively benefits men – that’s not an opinion, that’s our history.

    People of goodwill agree character, talents, and abilities should define our children’s future rather than things like gender, skin color, or sexual orientation. If that is true it follows we’ll stop dividing our children into gender based groups and treating them differently.

    One Caveat and Two Minor Issues

    One caveat: I support allowing chartering organizations to choose how they incorporate girls in the BSA. Some would choose to become fully co-ed, some would choose to remain as they are, some would have boys and girls in separate groups.

    Two relatively minor issues; the logistics of personal privacy in accommodations, and inappropriate fraternization. Both sound terrifically complicated until you realize somehow the rest of the world of Scouting and our co-ed Venturing program successfully manages these two issues.

    Negative reactions to what I am writing here are predictable. Asking for equality from the privileged causes the privileged to react in fear and anger as though they are being oppressed or stand to lose something.

    Before you react negatively tell me if it’s okay to define your child’s opportunities by gender, skin color, or sexual orientation.

    If your answer is “no” why would you want that for any child?

    If you’d like to read more about the gender from a man’s perspective I recommend Robert Webb’s insightful, hilarious, contemporary, and liberating discussion of gender in his memoir How Not to be a Boy.


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