Science of Reading: The Podcast

Latest Episodes:

S5-E1: The right to read: Lacey Robinson Feb 23, 2022

Show notes

Host Susan Lambert is joined by Lacey Robinson, CEO of UnboundEd, who opens the podcast by telling her personal story of learning to read and describing how literacy empowered her to pursue education reform. She emphasizes the responsibility that educational practitioners and leaders have and describes the literacy experiences of Black students. She also outlines what productive struggle should look like in the classroom, encouraging educators to enable more rigorous reading opportunities.
Quotes:
“Not everybody has to love to read. Everybody deserves the right to read."
— Lacey Robinson
“I would lose myself in books. I would wrap myself up in characters and lands and places. My mother told me that day that once they taught me how to read, nobody would ever be able to take that away.” —Lacey Robinson
Show notes:

GLEAM instruction

UnboundEd

Estimated timestamps*
1:00: Introduction: Who is Lacey Robinson?
10:00: Lacey Robinson's work at UnboundEd
18:00: Anti-bias toolkit
21:00: DEI and the Science of Reading
34:00: Equity at the center of design
38:00: Overcoming fear and shame
40:00: Gleam instructional framework
48:00: Rigorous and productive instruction
53:00: New things in the works for Lacey Robinson
57:00: Reflections on Lacey's younger self
59:00: Final thoughts
*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

S4-E16: Celebrating changemakers: Science of Reading Star Award winners Feb 09, 2022

Show notes

In this episode, Susan Lambert sits down with all of our Science of Reading Star Award winners to discuss their journey with the Science of Reading—from the very beginning, to the work they are doing now. Susan is joined by Brittney Bills (Curriculum Coordinator, Grand Island Public Schools, Nebraska) and Alli Rice (Elementary ELA Lead, Kansas City Public Schools, Kansas), who both won our Amplifying Your District award. Susan also talks with Anila Nayak (Instructional Coach and Reading Intervention Teacher, Los Angeles Unified School District, California), winner of our Superstar award that celebrates a teacher who has made a direct impact on their students by applying the Science of Reading. Lastly, this episode features Cathy Dorbish (Principal, Austintown Elementary School, Ohio), who won the Standout School award that celebrates educators successfully shifting their school to the Science of Reading. These incredible educators share their stories of driving change, giving listeners inspiration and advice to take back to their own schools and classrooms.
Quotes:
“School is a happy place. You need to enjoy being with the kids and making a lasting impact that really matters.” —Anila Nayak

“When you’re helping teachers and supporting other people’s classrooms, you do as much as you can.” —Alli Rice

Show notes:

Learn more about our winners.

Read Brittney’s spotlight.

Read Alli’s spotlight.

Read Anila’s spotlight.

Read Cathy’s spotlight.

S4-E15: How to motivate middle schoolers: Kamilah Simpson Jan 26, 2022

Show notes

In this episode, Susan Lambert joins senior product specialist at Amplify, Kamilah Simpson. Kamilah’s roots in education took shape when she was a Title 1 middle school intensive reading teacher and from there she became an instructional coach. Kamilah shares her knowledge with podcast listeners as she dives into teaching reading to middle school students. She gives tangible advice on how to allow for productive struggle so that students can learn through discovery. Some of the topics Kamilah highlights include complex text and rigor, learning to scaffold, the importance of having students listen to text, incorporating writing practice, and supporting students without over-supporting. Finally, Kamilah stresses the importance of motivating middle school students to read by providing texts that they can see themselves and their world in.
Quotes:
“Students are going to write more when they have something to write about. It goes back to that discovery. It goes back to allowing them to have a productive struggle.” —Kamilah Simpson

“Are these texts that my students can find something of themselves in? Or are these just texts that have absolutely nothing to do with anything pertaining to their lives, their world, or their peers? What would motivate them?” —Kamilah Simpson

S4-E14: What it takes to be a literacy education changemaker: Kareem Weaver Jan 12, 2022

Show notes

In this episode, Susan Lambert sits down with Kareem Weaver to discuss change management for educators implementing the Science of Reading. Kareem Weaver is a member of the Oakland NAACP Education Committee and a leader of the organization Full and Complete Reading is a Universal Mandate (FULCRUM). He was also an award-winning teacher and administrator in Oakland, California, and Columbia, South Carolina. Kareem discusses what the Science of Reading is at the simplest level and why it’s important that educators are undivided in backing the research. He goes on to give an impassioned plea to educators to come together, because this is an issue that impacts all kids. Kareem also highlights the importance of meeting educators where they are and realizing that change cannot happen if teachers aren’t given the tools and support they need first. Lastly, Kareem calls for systemic changes to education so that teachers can do their jobs in a way that is balanced, sustainable, and ultimately benefits the students.
Quotes:
“In order to save our kids and to get them competitive in the information age, they have to be able to access information. And so we’ve got to focus on literacy.” —Kareem Weaver

Show Notes:

FULCRUM: Full and Complete Reading is a Universal Mandate
Episode Timestamps*
1:00: Who is Kareem Weaver?
3:00: Shortcoming in undergraduate education prorgrams
4:00: Diagnosing Dyslexia
9:00: The meaning of "the Science of Reading"
12:00: Literacy is an issue that affects everybody
16:00 FULCRUM organization and its origins
21:00: What does FULCRUM stand for?
23:00: Literacy, equity, and incarceration
32:00: Change management
46:00: Making the shift to the Science of Reading
50:00: Supporting teachers
57:00: Science of Reading movement: Opportunities and concerns
*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

S4-E13: Revisiting a conversation with Dr. Nancy Nelson Dec 29, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, we join Susan Lambert as she revisits a conversation she had during season 1 with Dr. Nancy Nelson, a research assistant professor at the Center on Teaching and Learning at the University of Oregon. They discuss myths and misconceptions around Response to Intervention (RTI), Multi-Tiered Systems of Support (MTSS), and universal screening in reading instruction. Dr. Nelson also describes her work on DIBELSⓇ and explains the importance of dyslexia screeners and what tools need to be in place for RTI to work well.
Quotes:
“Education is one of the few things that students experience in life that has the ability to change their trajectory.” —Dr. Nancy Nelson

“I feel very strongly that students get access to instruction that is delivered through evidence-based practices, because that’s what we know works.” —Dr. Nancy Nelson

S4-E12: A conversation on growing up with dyslexia with 10th grader Hadyn Fleming Dec 15, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, we join Susan Lambert as she talks to 10th grader Hadyn Fleming about his experiences growing up with dyslexia. Hadyn shares his story of moving around a lot and what it took in his educational journey to feel like he had the tools and resources to be successful. Hadyn openly discusses the experiences that made a difference in his life and candidly discloses what it really feels like to have dyslexia. He also shares the way that dyslexia impacts all facets of education and, conversely, how becoming a confident reader gave him increased confidence in other areas of his life. Lastly, Hadyn helps debunk dyslexia myths, and talks about how an educator's belief in their students' potential is essential to student success.
Quote:
“Give us the opportunity to be great and we will not disappoint you.” —Hadyn Fleming
Show Notes:

Rocky Mountain Camp for Kids with Dyslexia
https://www.verticalskillsacademy.org/

S4-E11 Building resilience through routine, relationships, and regulation in the classroom: Ricky Robertson Dec 01, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, we join Susan Lambert as she talks to Ricky Robertson about building systems of support for students impacted by Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACEs) and the educators who work with them. Ricky is an educator, author, and consultant who has worked with alternative and traditional schools. The episode focuses first on how teachers can prioritize their own self-care and why it is essential in order to care for students. Ricky then goes into explaining what ACEs are and the ways that fight, flight, freeze, and fawn responses can manifest in the classroom. Lastly, they go into explaining resilience and how routine and relationships help build a foundation for resilience—ending on a note of encouragement to educators that their investment is never wasted.
Quote:
"Books have been some of my most meaningful companions … there’s a form of attachment that can occur between a reader and a story or a book that can actually be a safe space of refuge." — Ricky Robertson
Show Notes:
Teach for Trust - Ricky Robertson

Building Resilience in Students Impacted by Adverse Childhood Experiences by Ricky Robertson, Victoria E. Romero, and Amber Warner

Ricky Robertson: Adverse Childhood Experiences Webinar [Video/Webinar]

Adverse Childhood Experiences: Trauma-Informed Strategies for Teacher and Student Well-Being [Video/Webinar]

S4-E10: What we’ve learned and the guests we’re grateful for Nov 17, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, we join Susan Lambert as she rewinds the tape and highlights some of the standout learning moments that have occurred throughout this season of the podcast. Guests like Sue Pimentel, Julie Washington, Nadine Gaab, and more have all taught us invaluable lessons about the Science of Reading. You’ll hear top takeaways from each of their episodes as they cover topics such as literacy accelerators, learning to read digitally versus in print, teaching reading to multi-language learners, dialectical variety, and so much more.
Quotes:
"My gratitude extends to these amazing guests who are helping us become more informed about the complexities and realities of learning to read."
Show notes:
Podcast Episode 5: Sue Pimentel
Reading as Liberation—An Examination of the Research Base by Sue Pimentel, Meredith Liben, and Student Achievement Partners
Podcast Episode 4: Lauren Trakhman & Patricia Alexander (UMD)

Podcast Episode 7: Julie Washington

Podcast Episode 8: Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan

Podcast Episode 9: Nadine Gaab

S4-E9: Dyslexia and developmental trajectories: Dr. Nadine Gaab Nov 03, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, Susan Lambert joins Dr. Nadine Gaab to discuss dyslexia and the developmental progression of the brain and behavior of students as they learn to read. Dr. Gaab, an Associate Professor of Education at the Harvard Graduate School of Education, focuses on both typical and atypical learning trajectories from infancy to adulthood, with a special emphasis on language and reading development and the role of the environment in shaping these trajectories. In this episode, Dr. Gaab provides further insight into these developmental trajectories as they relate to early intervention for at-risk students. She differentiates between early diagnosis of dyslexia versus early identification of at-risk students. Adding nuance and complexity to the discussion of dyslexia, Dr. Gaab emphasizes the ways educators can ensure that all students experience the joy of learning to read.
Quote:
“We want to make sure that we find everyone who is struggling with learning to read and make sure that everyone gets to experience the joy of learning to read.“ —Dr. Nadine Gaab

Show Notes:

Gaab Lab website

Gaab Lab - myths about dyslexia , by Nadine Gaab

National Center for Improving Literacy

Video - How the brain learns to read by Nadine Gaab

Tracing the Roots of Language and Literacy

Reading to Rewire

S4-08: Empowering multilingual learners: Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan Oct 20, 2021

Show notes

In this episode, Susan Lambert is joined by Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan to discuss the unique challenges and opportunities presented when teaching multilingual learners how to read. Dr. Cárdenas-Hagan is a bilingual speech language pathologist and a certified academic language therapist. She is also the director of Valley Speech Language and Learning Center in Brownsville, Texas. She discusses how teachers can make connections between students’ home languages and English in order to celebrate their language and give them new tools to better understand English. She stresses the importance of teachers educating themselves on their students’ home languages so they can spot orthographic and phonological similarities and differences. Lastly, she highlights the importance of educators collaborating for the success of the students.
Quotes:

“The more we’re able to read, the more we’re able to learn.“—Dr. Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan

“Sometimes as teachers, we feel so overwhelmed with, “Oh, I don't know that language. How in the world am I going to introduce a whole new thing?” Instead we should be starting to understand connections.”—Dr. Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan

Show Notes:

Literacy Foundations for English Learners: A Comprehensive Guide to Evidence-Based Instruction by Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan

Presentation: Making Connections for Structured Literacy Instruction Among English Learners

Reading SOS Special Video Series: Expert Answers to Family Questions About Reading

Online book study of Literacy Foundations for English Learners By Dr. Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan

Mylanguages.org

Episode Content Timestamps*

3:00: Who is Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan?
10:00: Different models of programs for English language learners and how to use them
16:00: There's not one right and one wrong model
19:00: Scarborough's Rope in the context of English language learners
25:00: Making connections between English and other languages: Resources and encouragement
32:00: The importance of structured literacy to English language learners
40:00: Book: Literacy Foundation for English Learners by Elsa Cárdenas-Hagan
51:00: Advice for teachers who only speak English
59:00: Reading disability prevention and support
*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

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