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    School of War – Nebulous Media

    In School of War, CBS News National Security Analyst and Free Press columnist Aaron MacLean sits down with secretaries of state, top military historians, war planners, and key political decision-makers to help understand the lessons of war.

    Tune in as School of War takes you to the front lines.

    Aaron MacLean is a former senior fellow at Hudson Institute. He has worked as a foreign policy advisor and legislative director to Sen. Tom Cotton of Arkansas and spent seven years in the U.S. Marine Corps.

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    Ep. 18: Bruce Jones on Seapower Feb 22, 2022
    Show notes

    Bruce Jones, director of the Project on International Order and Strategy of the Foreign Policy program at the Brookings Institution, joins the show to discuss seapower.


    Times

    • 00:51 - Introduction
    • 01:17 - The importance of seapower today
    • 06:45 - Innovation of container shipping and how that changed the global economy
    • 12:50 - China re-enters the seas
    • 16:54 - China’s security challenges at sea
    • 22:44 - Shallow seas, narrow passages, and massive ships
    • 24:06 - China’s strategic interest in Taiwan
    • 26:10 - China’s alienation of potential allies
    • 29:08 - American strategic view of the Pacific Ocean
    • 34:41 - Relations between the United States and India, specifically in terms of taking on China
    • 39:12 - Seapower theorist Alfred Thayer Mahan
    • 44:55 - Comparing America’s quest for power at sea during the 20th century and China’s return to the sea today
    • 48:48 - The role of oceanography in nation-state power competition



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    Ep. 17: Alexander Mikaberidze on Napoleon Feb 15, 2022
    Show notes

    Alexander Mikaberidze, Professor of History and the Ruth Herring Noel Endowed Chair at Louisiana State University-Shreveport, joins the show to discuss the Napoleonic Wars.


    Times

    • 01:12 - Introduction
    • 07:38 - How did European attitudes toward Napoleon change over his life?
    • 13:34 - Nuances of nationalist sentiment Napoleon inspired
    • 15:13 - Napoleonic wars, French hegemony, and geopolitics
    • 20:23 - Napoleon's youth and the French Revolution
    • 24:49 - Napoleon's early campaigns and his rise to power
    • 29:16 - What is the Napoleonic way of war?
    • 33:43 - What is Combined Arms and what are its advantages?
    • 37:42 - What is the Eastern Question to Napoleon?
    • 45:55 - How did Napoleon think about the Western Hemisphere?
    • 53:46 - What remains of Napoleon's legacy after the Congress of Vienna?


    Link

    Book: The Napoleonic Wars: A Global History

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    Ep. 16: Gerry Roncolato on the U.S. Navy Feb 08, 2022
    Show notes

    Is the United States Navy prepared for war? Retired Navy Captain Gerry Roncolato joins the show to discuss the past, present, and future of American maritime power.


    Times

    • 02:08 - Introduction
    • 03:31 - Is the U.S. Navy prepared for a great-power war?
    • 04:59 - The Navy during the Interwar Period and the Battle of Guadalcanal
    • 09:41 - The experience of war at sea
    • 16:30 - Historical examples—and lessons for the Navy today—in Roncolato’s article, A Warfighting Imperative: Back to Basics for the Navy
    • 20:49 - Alarming incidents during operations at sea and underlying problems
    • 27:23 - Are the troops adequately prepared for war at sea?
    • 38:20 - Books aspiring officers should read
    • 40:52 - Maneuver warfare at sea
    • 48:20 - Managing troops in the barracks versus maneuvering men in battle


    Link

    Roncolato’s article, A Warfighting Imperative: Back to Basics for the Navy

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    Ep. 15: Andrew Lambert on Julian Corbett Feb 01, 2022
    Show notes

    Andrew Lambert, Laughton Professor of Naval History in the Department of War Studies at King's College, London, joins the show to discuss British strategist Julian Corbett and his vision of seapower at the turn of the 20th century.


    Times

    • 01:37 - Introduction
    • 02:02 - The British Empire during the 19th and 20th centuries
    • 04:43 - Corbett as a lawyer, novelist, and strategist
    • 09:05 - The Boer War and the future of the British Empire
    • 13:26 - Corbett’s education on the principals of British power
    • 16:12 - Britain’s power on land versus at sea
    • 19:04 - British power in the Mediterranean
    • 22:30 - How Corbett differentiates himself from Alfred Mahan
    • 28:14 - The principles at the core of Corbett’s strategy
    • 35: 56 - Maritime strategy throughout history
    • 37:29 - An argument for a continental strategy
    • 41:28 - What Corbett envisioned during World War I
    • 51:43 - How Corbett’s ideas apply to British and American military strategy today

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    Ep. 14: Kevin Hymel on General George S. Patton Jan 25, 2022
    Show notes

    Historian Kevin Hymel joins the show to discuss the life and leadership of the American World War II general most feared by the Nazis: George S. Patton.


    Times

    • 01:48 - Introduction
    • 04:38 - Recently uncovered details about General Patton
    • 08:38 - History’s first draft
    • 10:51 - How Patton became one of the most famous World War II leaders
    • 13:35 - Patton before the war
    • 17:34 - Patton in North Africa
    • 23:08 - Problems with General Dwight D. Eisenhower
    • 26:55 - Patton’s leadership style
    • 28:20 - Fighting in Tunisia
    • 32:49 - Patton’s risk calculations
    • 34:16 - Patton’s behavior, temperament, and treatment of other officers
    • 43:05 - The Civil War and Patton’s strategy in North Africa
    • 45:00 - Patton’s role in Sicily
    • 49:49 - Shell shock and Patton's anti-Semitism
    • 55:21 - Sicily and combat stress


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    Ep. 13: Thomas Clavin on Joe Moser Jan 18, 2022
    Show notes

    Journalist and author Thomas Clavin joins the show to discuss the harrowing journey of Joe Moser, an American fighter pilot during World War II and the subject of Lightning Down: A World War II Story of Survival.


    Times

    • 01:41 - Introduction
    • 03:33 - Why a book on Joe Moser
    • 09:44 - The Lockheed P-38 Lightning
    • 11:09 - August 13, 1944
    • 13:48 - Nazis send Moser to Buchenwald
    • 15:44 - Buchenwald and the concentration camp system
    • 17:48 - Karl-Otto and Ilse Koch
    • 19:36 - Life at Buchenwald
    • 21:34 - Colonel Phil Lamason
    • 23:00 - Hannes Trautloft and Moser’s survival
    • 27:27 - Leaving Buchenwald
    • 31:47 - Joe after the war

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    Ep. 12: Hal Brands on the Cold War Jan 11, 2022
    Show notes

    Hal Brands, the Henry A. Kissinger Distinguished Professor of Global Affairs at the Johns Hopkins University School of Advanced International Studies, joins the show to discuss the Cold War's lessons for great-power rivalry today.


    Times

    • 01:24 - Introduction
    • 02:47 - Halford Mackinder and how Eurasian geopolitics framed the Cold War
    • 05:37 - Mackinder's theory of the heartland
    • 07:47 - China's Belt and Road Initiative as an application of Mackinder's theory
    • 09:07 - Comparing the United States' approaches to the USSR and China
    • 13:04 - Nuclear power during the Cold War
    • 17:24 - How Cold War-era nuclear logic applies today
    • 21:02 - No first use policy
    • 26:56 - The Nixon administration's critique of containment strategy
    • 29:58 - The collapse of the Soviet Union
    • 32:15 - Theories of victory that led to the Vietnam War
    • 35:08 - End of the Cold War
    • 39:17 - Infrastructure needed to fight the Soviets in the United States, and what the U.S. needs to take on China today
    • 44:02 - China's moves to decouple economically from the United States
    • 46:47 - The United States' harrowing responsibility to take on adversarial powers

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    Ep. 11: John Matteson on the Civil War's Cultural Impact Jan 04, 2022
    Show notes

    John Matteson, Distinguished Professor of English at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, joins the show to discuss how the Civil War—and in particular the fall of 1862—left its mark on the nation's culture and on some of its most famous citizens.


    Times

    • 01:25 - Introduction
    • 03:28 - Fall of 1862
    • 09:19 - Matteson's selection of Americans included in A Worse Place Than Hell
    • 12:17 - Oliver Wendell Holmes and the 20th Massachusetts
    • 16:13 - John Pelham
    • 18:23 - Holmes, Pelham, and the battle of Antietam
    • 23:56 - Holmes, Pelham, and the battle of Fredericksburg
    • 27:23 - Valor and luck in battle
    • 30:22 - The 20th Massachusetts in the battle of Fredericksburg
    • 36:38 - Walt Whitman
    • 40:17 - Oliver Wendell Holmes


    Recorded December 7, 2021

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    Ep. 10: Shane Brennan on Xenophon Dec 21, 2021
    Show notes

    Shane Brennan, associate professor of history at the American University in Dubai, joins the show to discuss the new Landmark edition of Xenophon's Anabasis, which he co-edits. The Anabasis, long unjustly neglected, is Xenophon's classic memoir of war and command in the lands which today constitute Turkey, Syria, and Iraq.


    Times

    • 01:26 - Introduction
    • 05:07 - Who was Xenophon
    • 06:09 - Late 5th century Athens
    • 09:07 - Prince Cyrus of Persia
    • 12:17 - The Greek's position and Xenophon's rise to leadership
    • 16:46 - The army's path though Syria, Iraq and Turkey
    • 20:42 - The end of Xenophon's expedition
    • 23:42 - Xenophon's lessons for military leadership today
    • 27:40 - Importance of Xenophon's work



    Recorded December 9, 2021

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    Ep. 9: David Stahel on the Eastern Front in WWII Dec 14, 2021
    Show notes

    Biography

    David Stahel is a senior lecturer of history at the University of New South Wales in Australia. His research focuses on European military history, specifically Nazi-Soviet warfare from 1941-1945. Stahel is the author of several books, including his latest, Retreat from Moscow: A New History of Germany's Winter Campaign, 1941-1942.


    Times

    • 01:29 - Introduction
    • 06:33 - Germany sends troops into the Soviet Union, summer 1941
    • 12:24 - Flaws in Germany's plan
    • 14:50 - "Cauldron" battle
    • 22:10 - Culpability of German soldiers for atrocities during Operation Barbarossa
    • 26:55 - Germans cede land to the Soviet Union, winter 1941-1942
    • 29:38 - German's defensive position and strategy during the winter
    • 39:11 - Ideology and military strategy
    • 45:20 - Applicable lessons to strategists today


    Recorded on November 23, 2021

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