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    Relative Disasters

    The podcast where a brother and sister manage their existential angst by discussing historical disasters.

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    Copyright: © Greg & Ella

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    Latest Episodes:
    The Black Monday Hailstorm of 1360 (Episode 32) Sep 23, 2021
    Show notes

    Come with us back to the Hundred Years' War, with a battle not between opposing armies but against (apparently) God. In the red corner: The English army of Edward the Third! In the blue corner: Lightning, freezing temperatures, 55-MPH winds, and hailstones bigger than your fist! The Black Monday Hailstorm of 1360 caused more deaths and injuries than any previous "battle" in the Hundred Years' War - come sit with us for a bit and find out why and how.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources:

    The Chronicle of Jean Froissart

    The History of that Most Victorious Monarch Edward III... by Joshua Barnes

    The Chronicle of London




    The 1956 Wreck of the S.S. Andrea Doria (Episode 31) Sep 13, 2021
    Show notes

    The luxury liner SS Andrea Doria made the voyage from Italy to America a hundred times without incident, and earned rave reviews from her wealthy passengers, who loved her modern décor and fabulous food. On her hundred-and-first trip, however, a cascade of poor decisions, design flaws, and bad luck ended in her sinking just off the coast of Massachusetts. On this episode, we take you through one of the worst maritime disasters of the 20th century, and attempt to explain why so many experienced divers are still risking their lives trying to salvage the wreck.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources for this episode include:

    “The Last Voyage of the Andrea Doria", by Greg King and Penny Wilson, 2020

    “Setting the Hook: A Diver’s Return to the Andrea Doria” by Peter Hunt, 2011

    “Andrea Doria 2020” dive video, 2020

    “Down to the Andrea Doria” newsreel, 1956

    “New images from submarine show current state of Andrea Doria wreck” by T. Thadani for the Boston Globe, 2016

    “Andrea Doria Safe Opened” by M. Kernan for the Washington Post, 1984

    “Andrea Doria – Tragedy and Rescue at Sea” collected and maintained by P. Grillo, consulted 2021

    Personal correspondence by L. Siness, 1956

    “Andrea Doria” page by R. Galino for New Jersey Scuba

    “Everest At the Bottom Of the Sea” by B. McMahon for Esquire Magazine, 2000


    The Reign of Emperor Norton I, Emperor of the United States, 1859-1880 (Episode 30) Sep 05, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, we take a look at one man's personal disaster that led to a wonderful figure from American history - Emperor Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico. We'll discuss dogs, congress, a certain bridge, anti-Chinese racism of the mid-1800s, and we'll take a deep dive in to the truth of Norton's life as well as his posthumous mythology!


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources:

    The Emperor Norton Trust

    http://emperornortontrust.org


    Emperor Norton: Historical Essay by Chris Carlsson with Michael Whitson

    https://www.foundsf.org/index.php?title=Emperor_Norton


    Funeral Fit For a Queen - Bay Area Reporter, 9/12/2013



    The Kentucky Cave Wars and the 1925 Death of Floyd Collins (Episode 29) Aug 25, 2021
    Show notes

    Down for a vist to the world's largest cave system? In this episode, we look at the discovery and development of what is now known as the Mammoth–Flint Ridge Cave System, in the US state of Kentucky. These days, it's owned by the federal government and overseen by the National Park Service; but a hundred years ago, caverns and entrances to the system, as well as unconnected caves, were owned by private landholders, small corporations, and a railroad. With American tourists eager to visit, competition for their dollars escalated to lawsuits, sabotage, and deceptive-to-untruthful advertising - and rivalries became so intense that the first quarter of the 20th century is known locally as the Cave Wars. This period culminated in the horrific and extremely public death of cave explorer William Floyd Collins, a tragedy that led to improvements in caver safety, a Pulitzer prize for one of his would-be rescuers, and a painfully long and complicated attempt to find a peaceful resting place for his remains.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    “Trapped! (Story of Floyd Collins)”, by R. K. Murray and R. W. Brucker

    “The Kentucky Cave Wars” by D. R. Kem, 2016

    “The Sucker’s Visit to the Mammoth Cave” by R. S. Thompson, 1879

    “Human Chain Helps Loosen Prisoner in Kentucky Cave” staff writer, Associated Press article, 1925

    “Tragedy at Sand Cave”, staff writer, NPS.gov

    “Mammoth Cave National Park”, website, NPS.gov



    The Rapid Decline of Sharks, 1970-Now (Episode 28) Aug 02, 2021
    Show notes

    Come join us in the water! On this episode, we explore how sharks are being driven to extinction and why that matters for humanity. We talk about Jaws, Megalodon, amiable sharks, human-left-foot-soup, and which shark Greg would go swimming with! Sit back, relax, and keep an eye on your toaster - that thing's gonna kill you.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources:

    Alarming Decline in Shark Populations Points to Need for Stricter Conservation Measures by Rachel Hopkins and KerriLynn Miller

    https://www.pewtrusts.org/en/research-and-analysis/articles/2021/03/09/alarming-decline-in-shark-populations-points-to-need-for-stricter-conservation-measures


    Shark numbers in 'alarming' worldwide decline as many species face extinction, study says by Doyle Rice

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/01/27/shark-populations-declining-worldwide-study-reports/4279611001/


    Sharks at unprecedented risk of extinction after 71 per cent decline by Adam Vaughan

    https://www.newscientist.com/article/2265724-sharks-at-unprecedented-risk-of-extinction-after-71-per-cent-decline/


    The Staggering Decline of Oceanic Sharks and Rays by David Sims

    https://therevelator.org/decline-sharks-rays/


    Shark Week Opens With Fake Megalodon Documentary by Rich Juzwiak

    https://gawker.com/shark-week-opens-with-fake-megalodon-documentary-1028053485


    Discovery Channel defends dramatized shark special 'Megalodon' by Breeana Hare

    https://edition.cnn.com/2013/08/07/showbiz/tv/discovery-shark-week-megalodon/


    The history of Shark Week: How the Discovery Channel both elevated and degraded sharks by Matt Cohen

    https://theweek.com/articles/444542/history-shark-week-how-discovery-channel-both-elevated-degraded-sharks


    Shark Slaughter: 73 Million Killed Each Year by Ker Than

    https://www.livescience.com/1027-shark-slaughter-73-million-killed-year.html


    The Influence of Culture on the International Management of Shark Finning by Andrea Dell'Apa, M. Chad Smith, Mahealani Y. Kaneshiro-Pineiro

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00267-014-0291-1


    Sharks and Tunas: Fisheries Impacts on Predators with Contrasting Life Histories by Daniel E. Schindler, Timothy E. Essington, James F. Kitchell, Chris Boggs, Ray Hilborn

    https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1890/1051-0761%282002%29012%5B0735%3ASATFIO%5D2.0.CO%3B2


    The World Is Running Out of Fish Faster Than We Thought by James Wilt

    https://www.vice.com/en/article/gvqmey/global-fish-stocks-are-in-even-worse-shape-than-we-thought


    Shark Nets, Drumlines, and Safe Swimming by the Kwazulu-Natal Sharks Board

    https://web.archive.org/web/20140128015833/http://www.shark.co.za/SharkNetsMore


    Marine "Gold Rush": Demand for shark fin soup drives decimation of fish by Saeed Kamali Deghhan

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jun/04/marine-gold-rush-demand-shark-fin-soup


    Beware of shark meat, FDA warns by Al Hinman

    http://edition.cnn.com/HEALTH/indepth.food/meat/seafood/shark.mercury/index.html


    Neurotoxins in shark fins: A human health concern from University of Miami, Rosenstiel School of Marine and Atmospheric Science

    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/02/120223182516.htm


    The Book That Spawned a Monster by Stephen Dowling

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/3400291.stm


    Shark Trouble by Peter Benchley


    Sharks Should Be Respected, Not Feared from the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service

    https://www.fws.gov/news/blog/index.cfm/2020/8/11/Sharks-Should-Be-Respected-Not-Feared




    The Biosphere 2 Missions of 1991 and 1993 (Episode 27) Jul 24, 2021
    Show notes

    In the early 1990s, a privately funded ecology experiment took place in the Arizona desert. Sealing humans inside with thousands of carefully selected plants, animals, and insects, the Biosphere 2 missions sought to show that people could survive and thrive in a contained ecosystem - if they could just get over the sleep apnea, cockroaches, orange skin, constant hunger, and difficult interpersonal relationships.

    On this episode of Relative Disasters: what went right in Biosphere 2? What went terribly wrong? And what does Steve Bannon (yes, THAT Steve Bannon) have to do with any of it?


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources for this episode include:

    “Pushing Our Limits: Insights from Biosphere 2” by M. Nelson, 2018

    “The Human Experiment: Two Years and Twenty Minutes Inside Biosphere 2”, J. Poynter, 2006

    "The Lost History of One of the World’s Strangest Science Experiments: The hummingbirds were dying. Cockroaches were everywhere. And then Steve Bannon showed up", C. Zimmer, New York Times, 2019

    “Biosphere 2” website, University of Arizona, 2021

    “'Bon voyage' 8 Biospherians Begin Journey in Greenhouse”, J. Erickson, Arizona Daily Star, 1991

    “Take This Terrarium and Shove It”, M. Cooper, Village Voice, 1991

    “Biosphere's image: rise, fall, and rehabilitation”, S. Veggeberg, Metanews, Columbia University, 1995


    The 1629 Mutiny/Shipwreck of the "Batavia" (Episode 26) Jul 14, 2021
    Show notes

    This episode focuses on the wreck of the ship Batavia off the coast of Australia and the horrific mutiny that followed. Join us for a discussion of stupid plans, intrepid heroes, and what happens when you let a psychopath take charge of a group of people. We'll take a few sidebars into the Dutch East India company, a torturous method of execution, and the moronic reason behind a major change in maritime law. All in all, a fun time for everyone.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources:

    BATAVIA (1629): giving voice to the voiceless symposium

    Defining Moments: Wreck of the Batavia

    "Batavia's Graveyard - The True Story of the Mad Heretic Who Led History's Bloodiest Mutiny" by Mike Dash

    "Island of Angry Ghosts: The Story of the Batavia" by H. Edwards

    "The First and Last Voyage of the Batavia" by P. Godard



    The Peshtigo Fire of 1871 (Episode 25) Jul 07, 2021
    Show notes

    In this episode, we look at the events surrounding the Great Peshtigo Fire - the deadliest wildfire in American history. If you’ve never heard of it, that’s probably because it took place the same day as the Great Chicago Fire, on October 8, 1871. Unlike the blaze in Chicago, however, conditions surrounding the Peshtigo fire turned it into a phenomenon known as a firestorm – a debris-laden flaming tornado that swept over the town of Peshtigo and surrounding communities at horrific speeds and temperatures, ultimately killing at least 1500 people (and possibly as many as 2500). We’ll give you some eyewitness accounts, an overview of just how flammable Peshtigo was in 1871, an introduction to the Peshtigo Paradigm, and the rundown on why you never want to use a white pine for a Christmas tree.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources for this episode include:

    “The Wisconsin Fires – Additional Particulars of the Unusual Phenomena Attending Them – Balls of Fire in the Air – Swift March of the Flames”, by staff writer (Milwaukee Sentinel, as printed in NYT), 1871

    “The Peshtigo Fire”, by S. Holbrook (The American Scholar), 1944

    “Fire at Peshtigo” by Robert W. Wells, 1968

    “The Peshtigo Fire, October 8, 1871: Calamity and Response”, by N. Flesch (University of Wisconsin - thesis paper), 2009

    “147TH ANNIVERSARY OF THE GREAT PESHTIGO FIRE” by T. Baldwin (US Congressional Record) 2018

    “Menominee Nation honored for assisting victims of Peshtigo fire”, by K. Vinehaut, 2018

    “Remembering the Great Peshtigo Fire of 1871”, by G. Havel, (Fire Engineering), 2007

    "Personal Letter to Mary Newberry", by Martha Newberry Coon, 1871


    The Great Diamond Hoax of 1872 (Episode 24) Jun 29, 2021
    Show notes

    Join us in the somewhat-settled/somewhat-Wild West of the United States for a tale of a diamond mine that doesn't exist, the gleeful embarrassment of some of the biggest names in finance and politics of the late 1800s, and the unlikely twist of fate that exposed the whole scheme. It's an episode where the "hero" leads a double-life and the criminal masterminds settle down for quiet lives. Step behind the uncut stones for the unvarnished truth in this glittering episode of Relative Disasters!


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources:

    Diamonds in the Salt by Bruce A Woodard

    A Hole In the Ground with a Liar at the Top by Dan Plazak

    The Explorer King: Adventure, Science, and the Great Diamond Hoax : Clarence King in the Old West by Robert Wilson

    American Lives: The "Strange" Tale of Clarence King, NPR

    https://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=129250977&t=1624938806853


    Further Reading:

    Passing strange : a Gilded Age tale of love and deception across the color line by Martha Sandweiss



    Black Sunday on Bondi Beach, 1938 (Episode 23) Jun 23, 2021
    Show notes

    Grab a swimsuit and top off your sunscreen - we're off to Australia's beautiful Bondi Beach! In this episode, we're looking at the events of February 6, 1938, when a series of rogue waves dragged 250 beachgoers - many of whom couldn't actually swim - past the headlands and into the Pacific Ocean. Thanks to the incredible efforts of the lifeguards and bystanders, plus new surf lifesaving devices and training in the latest resuscitation methods, all but five of the victims survived. Of course, since this is an Ella episode, we'll be doing a few sidebars on her mild obsessions with wool bathing suits, the guilty-pleasure reality show Bondi Rescue, and sharks.


    Enjoy the show? Support us on Patreon, at ⁠⁠www.patreon.com/RelativeDisastersPodcast⁠⁠.


    Sources for this episode include:

    "Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Study", by D. Steele (Consulting) for Waverly Council, 2009

    "Black Sunday 1938: Hundreds Washed Out To Sea on Bondi Beach as Freak Waves Kill Five, Injure Dozens", by T. Lennon (Daily Telegraph), 2015

    "Black Sunday on Bondi Beach", by staff writer, (Surf Sports Forum), 2016

    "Plucky Rescue at Bondi", by staff writer, (Clarence and Richmond Examiner), 1907

    "Between the Flags: 100 Years of Surf Life Saving in New Zealand: Resuscitation Methods", by J. Webber, 2010

    "Bondi Beach lifesavers commemorate 80th anniversary of Black Sunday drownings with re-enactment", by D. Spicer, (ABC News Australia), 2018

    "Black Sunday", by Waverly Library / Local History Collection, 2020

    "Australian Beach Cultures: The History of Sun, Sand and Surf" by D. Booth, 2001

    Bondi Rescue channel (youtube), 2007-present


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