2024 Halloween Special [Mormonism Live 203]
Oct 31, 2024
Mormonism Live’s 2024 Halloween Special, gives you the fan and follower of Mormonism Live, an opportunity to call in and share with us your favorite Halloween stories. Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Jenn Kamp’s Own Lawyer Accuses Her Of Fraud! : RFM: 368
Oct 29, 2024
Jenn Kamp’s bankruptcy lawsuit just keeps going from bad to worse.
It is one thing for somebody else’s lawyer to accuse you of fraud, but you know things are bad when YOUR OWN LAWYER ACCUSES YOU OF FRAUD!
Not only is Jenn Kamp trying to avoid paying John Dehlin and Open Stories Foundation for committing defamation against them, she is also trying to avoid paying the legal fees to her attorney who represented her in that defamation case!
This one you have to see to believe!
Midnight Mormons Steal My Research! : RFM: 367
Oct 25, 2024
Twenty years after the fact, Midnight Mormons are using my original research to prove the Book of Mormon true!
Talk about surreal!
Mormonism and the Academy [Mormonism Live 202]
Oct 16, 2024
Tonight we welcome a special guest onto the show who goes by the name of Kishkumen. He is a classics professor at a major university in the United States. Kishkumen will share with us his experiences and insights into Mormonism from the perspective of a classics professor, and I expect we will all learn a lot along the way.
John Dehlin Makes Bold Move Against Jenn Kamp: RFM: 366
Oct 15, 2024
Just when you thought it was safe to go back into bankruptcy court, John Dehlin files a very interesting motion of his own against Jenn Kamp.
RFM covers not only the motion, but why it may be being made in the first place!
Your General Conference Reactions! [Mormonism Live 201]
Oct 10, 2024
This week’s episode of Mormonism Live is your chance to share your LDS General Conference Reactions! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints just held its General Conference and with all that happened, here is your chance to react. The phone lines will be open and it’s your chance to share what was good, what was bad, and what caught your eye!
Laughing At the Ridiculousness of Mormonism [Mormonism Live 200]
Oct 08, 2024
In this special milestone episode, Radio Free Mormon & Bill Reel celebrate 200 episodes of Mormonism Live with a lighthearted and hilarious look at some of ridiculousness of Mormonism. From strange doctrines and quirky teachings to the cringiest folklore and outrageous church practices, no stone is left unturned as we explore the humorous side of Mormonism. It’s an episode full of humor, satire, and good-natured fun, reminding us all that sometimes the best way to understand the absurdity is to just laugh at it. Tune in for a laugh-filled celebration of the comical aspects of Mormonism! RESOURCES: https://www.youtube.com/@TheHolyRoast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2r36Oggsf4&t=1s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abJDiTnVvY4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qD0MzNozs6A
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In this episode of Mormonism Live, Bill Reel is joined by Rebecca Bibliotheca (as we give RFM a night off) and we dive deep into the historical record surrounding LDS leaders’ teachings that a woman’s primary role is to be a stay-at-home mom. They explore how these teachings, often laced with shame, guilt, and warnings of spiritual and temporal consequences for those who deviated, shaped the lives of countless women within the Church. With the LDS Church appearing to soften its stance on this issue in recent years, Bill and Rebecca question whether the Church should be held accountable for the harm caused by these past teachings. They also examine the tension between the Church’s claims of divine inspiration and its frequent revision of doctrines, inviting listeners to consider the implications of such changes on the Church’s credibility.
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Losing Nemo [Mormonism Live: 198]
Sep 19, 2024
British YouTuber Nemo the Mormon is now facing excommunication. Is this the result of years of challenging the Church, or was it triggered by his recent support for the residents of Fairview, Texas, in their fight against the LDS Church’s push for an excessively tall temple spire? Join RFM and Bill Reel as we sit down with Nemo to explore why the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has called him to a disciplinary council.
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Elder Oaks Calls For More Excommunications!: RFM: 363
Sep 14, 2024
Elder Dallin H. Oaks recently instructed that local leaders need to ramp up their excommunication numbers!
RFM has now obtained a leaked copy of the PowerPoint presentation used by Elder Oaks, and reviews it in detail!
Mormon Stories & The Stick of Joseph [Mormonism Live: 197]
Sep 12, 2024
This week on Mormonism Live we take a look at the recent interview between Mormon Stories’ John Dehlin and Jackson and Hayden Paul from the Stick of Joseph YouTube channel. We explore their responses to a critical examination of Mormonism.
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“Good Night, Sweet Prince, and Flights of Angels Sing Thee to Thy Rest”: Hamlet, Act V, scene 2: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 021
Sep 11, 2024
Welcome to ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where we explore the most poignant and memorable moments of the Bard’s masterpieces! In this episode, our insightful host takes you through the final scene sharing Hamlet Act V, Scene 2, with a focus on the moving line: ‘Good night, sweet prince, and flights of angels sing thee to thy rest.’
Join us as we examine the themes of death, honor, and finality that bring this tragic play to its unforgettable conclusion. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespearean scholar or new to his works, this episode offers a touching analysis, thoughtful commentary, and a fresh perspective on the emotional farewell to Hamlet.
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Mormon Doctor Baby Daddy! Or, “Take My Sperm, Please!”: RFM 362
Sep 11, 2024
Mormon Dr. Gerald Mortimer used his own semen to artificially inseminate a patient without her knowledge or consent.
This is their story.
Did Jenn Kamp Get Kicked Out Of Bankruptcy Court?: RFM: 361
Sep 06, 2024
The Trustee in Jenn Kamp’s Washington bankruptcy case has filed a motion to dismiss her case or transfer it to Utah.
The basis is that the Trustee doesn’t believe Jenn Kamp, and certainly doesn’t believe she had resided in Washington long enough prior to filing for bankruptcy in Tacoma.
Jenn Kamp’s attorney is arguing her case should not be dismissed or transferred, but should stay in Washington where it belongs.
What happens at the hearing is nothing compared to the information we get along the way from several court filings!
Could Nephi Really Build A Ship? [Mormonism Live 196]
Sep 05, 2024
Dr. John Lundwall joins RFM and Bill Reel to break down Scripture Central’s latest Book of Mormon evidence video claiming Lehi and Family COULD build a boat to travel from the Near East to the Americas.
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Julie de Azevedo Hanks: Mormonism & Mental Health [Mormonism Live 195]
Sep 04, 2024
Welcome to this special episode of Mormonism Live, where hosts Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon are joined by the renowned therapist, author, and social worker, Julie de Azevedo Hanks. Known for her candid discussions on mental health, relationships, and navigating faith transitions, Julie brings her unique perspective to the complexities of living within Mormon culture. In this episode, we dive deep into the intersection of faith and psychology, explore the challenges of maintaining authenticity in a religious community, and discuss the importance of mental health awareness in the LDS Church. Whether you’re on your own faith journey or interested in the evolving dynamics of Mormonism, this conversation promises to be enlightening and thought-provoking. Don’t miss it! Julie de Azevedo Hanks is an award-winning singer and songwriter, licensed therapist, author, speaker, and consultant. She also blogs on women’s emotional health, self-care, and relationships and contributes regularly to social media, radio, and other media. She is a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
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“Alas, Poor Yorick!”: Hamlet, Act V, scene 1: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 020
Aug 28, 2024
This scene takes place entirely in a graveyard! And Shakespeare, sensing things are getting a bit heavy, lightens things up with some comedy between two gravediggers!
One of the gravediggers pops up a skull that belonged to the court jester, Yorick, and hands it to Hamlet. This begins one of the most famous vignettes in Shakespeare: That of Hamlet holding a skull in the palm of his hand while he speaks to it! And what Hamlet has to say to that skull may be some of the darkest lines in literature!
“Hey, You Mormon Kids! Stop Worshiping Jesus!”: RFM: 359
Aug 27, 2024
A recent Mormon youth concert is being promoted as a means to worship Jesus Christ through music. But what on earth are Mormons doing worshiping Jesus? RFM takes us on a journey to his own youth , when Mormon apostle Bruce are McConkie laid down the law that Mormons are not supposed to worship Jesus! Then RFM goes behind the story of that speech by Elder McConkie to reveal the emotional trauma inflicted on one particular family because of that speech.
Mormon Affinity Fraud and Bruce R. McConkie: RFM: 360
Aug 26, 2024
RFM delves into the subject of affinity fraud, Mormon style! Unfortunately, some famous and respected names in Mormon leadership got into the act.
RFM shares some personal stories about Mormon affinity fraud, as well, and rounding out the show are some comments from last week’s episode, featuring comments from some members of George W. Pace’s family and former students!
Peter Vidmar & The Olympic Sex Scandal [Mormonism Live 194]
Aug 22, 2024
In this week’s episode of Mormonism Live, we delve into the controversial and shocking allegations surrounding sex abuse within the U.S. Olympic gymnastics team, focusing on the involvement of Peter Vidmar, a devout Mormon, and former Olympic Gold Medalist. Vidmar, who has been twice inducted into the Olympic Hall of Fame, once for his individual achievements and once as part of a team, also served as the Chairman of the U.S. Gymnastics Board of Directors during a turbulent time for the sport. Our special guest, Dr. Randall Bell joins us to share his unique insights into this scandal. Dr. Bell, known for his work in disaster recovery and trauma, will explore the complex intersections of Vidmar’s faith as a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, his role in the gymnastics community, and the broader implications of the abuse scandal on the sport. Together, we will uncover the layers of this disturbing story, examining how power, religion, and institutional failures contributed to one of the darkest chapters in Olympic history. Don’t miss this eye-opening episode as we seek to understand the lasting impact on the victims, the sport, and the LDS community. ======================================================= Randall Bell’s notable cases include: Nicole Brown Simpson’s Los Angeles condominium, the mansion where 39 Heaven’s Gate members died of suicide, the JonBenét Ramsey house in Colorado, the World Trade Center site, and properties damaged in the Rodney King riots and by Hurricane Katrina. Randall Bell Wiki page – https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Randall_Bell
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The Lost 116 Pages of the Book of Lehi [Mormonism Live 193]
Aug 16, 2024
In this episode of Mormonism Live, hosts Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon dive deep into one of the most impactful events in Mormon history—the loss of the 116 pages of the Book of Lehi. These pages, the first part of the Book of Mormon, were said to be translated by Joseph Smith through divine means, under the guidance of the angel Moroni. However, when they were lost, it set off a chain of events that would forever shape the narrative of the Latter-day Saints. Bill and RFM explore this pivotal incident, asking crucial questions about what the loss of these pages reveals about the mindset and motives of Mormonism’s founder, Joseph Smith. Was it a simple mishap, or does this event expose deeper layers of intention and strategy? By viewing the lost 116 pages through the lens of Smith’s perspective, the hosts argue that everything begins to fall into place, shedding new light on the origins and early days of the Mormon faith. Join us for an in-depth analysis that challenges the traditional narrative and offers fresh insights into one of the most significant episodes in Latter-day Saint history.
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Did Jenn Kamp Commit Perjury?!: RFM: 358
Aug 11, 2024
Jenn Kamp has run into some trouble in bankruptcy court where she filed in western Washington, of all places.
The trustee in Jenn’s bankruptcy case has filed a motion to dismiss (or transfer) her suit on the basis she was not completely honest in her filings . . .
This is one you won’t want to miss!
Jenn Kamp Files CRIMINAL Charges Against John Dehlin: RFM: 357
Aug 11, 2024
Jenn Kamp really turns up the heat by initiating criminal charges against John Dehlin for violating a protection order.
Unfortunately the protection order had been dismissed more than half a year earlier.
But a little thing like that won’t stop Jenn Kamp from her quest for revenge!
Jenn Kamp Files for Bankruptcy: RFM 356
Aug 11, 2024
Though it was expected Jenn Kamp would file for bankruptcy, what was unexpected is that she would file not in Utah where she lives but in western Washington.
Prior to filing for bankruptcy in July of 2024, Jenn Kamp quitclaimed her interest in the family home to her husband in May, and then filed for divorce against her husband in June.
Keep up with all the twists and turns in this fascinating case!
“To Cut His Throat I’ Th’ Church”: Hamlet Act IV, scenes 6 & 7: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 019
Aug 11, 2024
Laertes returns to Denmark incensed over the murder of his father, Polonius, and seeking revenge. Things go from bad to worse when Laertes finds out that his sister has gone mad and then drowns herself.
But Claudius is able to turn the wrath of Laertes away from himself and toward Hamlet, whom Claudius has sent on a voyage to England . . . a voyage from which Hamlet will never return. Or will he . . .?
False Mormon Prophecies [Mormonism Live 192]
Aug 08, 2024
From its inception, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has claimed to have prophets. But when those prophets have predicted the future, the results have been mixed, to say the least. The prophecies that did not come to pass are not talked about by the LDS Church. But we will talk about them tonight at Mormonism Live. Featuring Master Peace as our special guest.
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Callers Control the Show [Mormonism Live 191]
Aug 07, 2024
Professor John Lundwall shares his personal story on how it was he came to leave Mormonism. Latter-day Saints and Mormons of all kinds won’t want to miss this story. Disclaimer: The content of this video contains discussions about child molestation and child abuse. These are sensitive and potentially triggering topics. Viewer discretion is advised. This video is not intended for children or those who may find the content distressing. Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Joseph Smith’s Seer Stones [Mormonism Live 190]
Jul 25, 2024
In this episode we explore what we know about each of the Seer Stones that Joseph Smith used or had in his possession. We also explore other known seer stones within Mormonism. And as usual we have a few surprises and a likely bombshell in regards to the history that almost none of you knew!
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Dating Fanny Alger [Mormonism Live 189]
Jul 18, 2024
Join hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel on this captivating episode of “Mormonism Live,” where the tantalizing title “Dating Fanny Alger” sets the stage for an exploration of one of the most controversial relationships in Mormon history. This week, our esteemed guests Don Bradley, Cheryl Bruno, and Chris Smith delve into the detailed research aimed at determining the precise calendar date of Joseph Smith’s relationship with Fanny Alger. While the title might initially evoke the image of a romantic outing between Joseph Smith and Fanny Alger, our discussion promises much more than a playful tease. We dive deep into historical records, piecing together evidence to shed light on the timeline of their relationship. Our experts will guide us through the complexities of early Mormon history, revealing the broader implications and the controversy that has surrounded this period for over a century. From examining contemporary accounts to analyzing historical documents, this episode promises to be an enlightening journey into the past. Tune in to “Dating Fanny Alger” on “Mormonism Live” – where we uncover the truth behind the title and explore the intricate details of one of Mormonism’s most intriguing stories.
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The Fake Mormon Race Apology w/ Jon Streeter [Mormonism Live 188]
Jul 11, 2024
We sit down with Jon Streeter to revisit his “Race Apology” in 2018. The apology had the appearance of being officially from the Church even though it wasn’t and Streeter took a lot of criticism for the fake apology. Now 6 years later Streeter sits down to explain his thoughts both then and now and to discuss various aspects of the project and its aftermath Streeter’s Fake Apology – https://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/the-pasquinade-apology-on-mormon-racism/ Video of AI (not real) President Nelson giving Streeter’s “Fake Apology” – https://youtu.be/TtImO6fLFKE Streeter’s Apology for the fake Apology – https://thoughtsonthingsandstuff.com/the-pasquinade-apology-on-mormon-racism/
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“When Sorrows Come, They Come Not Single Spies, But In Battalions”: Hamlet, Act IV, scene 5: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 018
Jul 10, 2024
With Hamlet safely on his way to certain death in England, Claudius must deal with another threat to his throne: Laertes, the son of slain Polonius, is coming back from France to seek revenge for HIS father’s murder, and Laertes has his sights set on Claudius as the likely suspect!
Adding to his rage, Laertes finds out when he gets back to Denmark that not only is his father murdered, but his sister Ophelia has gone mad!
Will Claudius be adroit enough to redirect Laertes’ wrath away from him and keep his throne? Listen and find out!
RFM’s Wide World of Courts: A Jenn Kamp/Rosebud Update!: RFM: 355
Jul 07, 2024
Can it be that Jenn Kamp is trying to avoid accountability in her lawsuit with John Dehlin by divesting herself of her assets?
It sure looks that way!
Also an update on Rosebud (aka Anne McMullin Peffer) who cannot accept the fact she lost her bar complaint against me!
Chief Midegah and the Legend of the Lost Scrolls!: RFM: 354
Jul 07, 2024
Chief Midegah has been making quite a splash in Mormon circles recently!
He claims to have a collection of birch bark scrolls with ancient Native American hieroglyphs that, when properly interpreted, support Mormonism and its teachings.
RFM deconstructs those claims one by one!
Elder Ballard’s Secret Plan To Mormonize America!: RFM: 353
Jul 07, 2024
A recent affidavit claims Elder Ballard, a senior apostle in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, was working hard with Tim Ballard to scrub Tim Ballard’s “Mormon history” from the internet and make him into a hero so as to prepare Evangelical Christians to accept Mormonism!
Jacob Hansen’s Thinking Errors [Mormonism Live 187]
Jul 04, 2024
Kolby Reddish joins RFM and Bill Reel to take a deeper look at the Flawed Epistemology and the problem of inconsistent “revelation” by examining the flawed thinking of Jacob Hansen Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? Part Deux: A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 186]
Jun 27, 2024
This is Part 2 of our dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel, we use our spiritual eyes to examine the facts of the claims!
Book of Mormon Central part 5 of A Marvelous Work – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcOk5aodNJs
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Why is the LDS Plan of Salvation DIFFERENT from the Book of Mormon?: RFM: 352
Jun 26, 2024
The modern Mormon Church has gotten so far away from its roots, it has developed a completely different Plan of Salvation than the one taught in the Book of Mormon!
RFM demonstrates how the “Keystone of Mormonism” has been discarded by the very church leaders who profess it to be holy scripture!
Who Factually Saw the Gold Plates? A Marvelous Work And A Blunder [ML 185]
Jun 20, 2024
We dive into Episode 5 of A Marvelous Work, investigating the claims of “Book of Mormon Central” around the witnesses of the Book of Mormon. Told through the commentary of Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and guest host Dan Vogel this one is bound to better than a vision performed via Second Sight. Book of Mormon Central part 5 of A Marvelous Work – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pcOk5aodNJs
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Hamlet, Act IV, scene 4: “O, From This Time Forth My Thoughts Be Bloody Or Be Nothing Worth!”: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 017
Jun 16, 2024
This scene contains one of the most brilliant soliloquies in the all of Shakespeare, and it doesn’t start with, “To be or not to be”!
Hamlet realizes he has been thinking about revenging his father’s murder too long, and now resolves to take action to kill the King, his uncle, Claudius!
In Defense Of Atheism: RFM: 351
Jun 16, 2024
RFM takes us on a journey to his past, featuring his father who was an atheist.
RFM’s father set an example of atheism as being good, kind and moral.
This podcast defends the atheism of RFM’s father.
Rosebud’s Bar Complaint Appeal Goes Up In Flames: RFM: 350
Jun 13, 2024
RFM reports on the latest Bar Complaint he has received as a podcaster!
Also an update on the John Dehlin v. Jenn Kamp civil suit going on in Utah!
The Allegory of the Olive Tree: How Joseph Smith Came Up With It!: RFM: 349: MSS:017
Jun 13, 2024
Radio Free Mormon tackles the longest chapter in the Book of Mormon, Jacob Chapter 5, showing how it was that Joseph Smith came up with the Allegory of the Olive Tree!
Book of Mormon Anachronisms & John Clark [Mormonism Live: 184]
Jun 13, 2024
LDS Apologist John Clark has spent considerable time on Book of Mormon Anachronisms both showing the number of them in the past that existed and then suggesting that many over time have been reconciled and pointed to such as evidence that the Book of Mormon is in fact historical. But what do we find when Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel and guest host Rebecca Bibliotheca take a deeper look at Book of Mormon Anachronisms.
Chapters 3:00 Hill Cumorah a “Clean Hill” 11:00 BOM Claims Video 16:00 1842 Claims 23:50 “Bat Creek” Stone 31:15 Why use the 1842 claims? 42:00 Status of BOM Claims in 2005 59:00 Two Rivers 1:05:00 Swords 1:13:30 Human Sacrifice 1:12:45 Wild Beasts 1:19:00 Status of BOM Claims in 2023 1:26:50 The dumb ass 1:48:00 Bonus: The Smithsonian Letter 1:58:00 Reverse Anachronisms
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The 1823 Detroit Manuscript [Mormonism Live 183]
Jun 06, 2024
Today we take a fun trip into a cool connection to Mormonism. The 1823 Detroit Manuscript and its connection to the Anthon Transcript. RESOURCES: http://www.mormonthink.com/backup/detroitmanuscriptstudy.pdf https://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga/saga02b.htm http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MI/miscmich.htm#030723 https://beggarsbread.org/2013/03/17/why-was-the-book-of-mormon-written-in-ancient-irish/
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Draining The Swamp of Mormon Apologetics [Mormonism Live 182]
May 30, 2024
In this week’s episode we take a look at the methodology of Mormon Apologists focusing on Ward Radio and Jacob Hanson. All sides claim the other is deceiving and misleading. But one side is adding context and clarity while the other enjoys their audience working with a limited understanding.
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Hamlet, Act IV, scenes 1-3: Brush Up Your Shakespeare 016
May 26, 2024
Hamlet killed Polonius in the last scene. The king is now sending Hamlet off to England. But is it just to get Hamlet out of Denmark until things cool down? Or does Claudius have something more sinister in mind? Could Claudius be sending Hamlet on a one-way trip to England? One from which Hamlet will never return?
Listen and find out!
Judge Order Jenn Kamp to Take Down Defamatory Videos: RFM 348
May 26, 2024
After being found to have committed defamation against John Dehlin and OSF by court order on May 15, 2024, Jenn Kamp immediately went to work putting up new defamatory videos.
An emergency hearing was held Friday, May 24, 2024 by motion of OSF lawyers to have Jenn Kamp remove the videos.
This is the report of what happened at that hearing.
The Mystery of the Nephite Kings: RFM:347: MSS: 016
May 26, 2024
Losing the first 116-pages of the Book of Mormon translation thrust Joseph Smith into a dilemma.
He tried to get out of it by creating a separate history to cover the same period of time as the lost 116-pages.
But in doing so, Joseph Smith managed to leave his fingerprints that he is the actual author; that he is not translating a history but creating a fictional account.
Here is the evidence. Listen and see if you don’t agree!
Shawn McCraney: Full Circle Defending Mormons [Mormonism Live 181]
May 23, 2024
This week we sit down with Shawn McCraney who once was a Mormon himself and after leaving has for decades been a vocal critic of Mormonism and the LDS Church. We take a look at Shawn’s life journey and his recent acknowledgement of coming full circle. Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
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Chapters
00:00 Welcome
10:00 Clip
19:15 Is he Universalist?
27:00 Why not trust others’ stories?
35:00 Metaphysical experience
42:00 Post-millenialism
46:00 Scriptural evidence for Jesus returning before 70AD?
47:00 The “bride” of Jesus a bunch of Jews
52:00 The “beast” isn’t Nero?
54:00 “This Generation”
55:15 So what about today then?
01:02:00 Faith & works(love?)
01:03:45 The alternative to offer the fans.
01:07:25 In/errant Bible?
01:10:45 Ralph Waldo Emerson
01:18:00 Never-denominational
01:20:00 Caller: Kolby
01:23:00 How is your epistemology more than “I just know”
01:26:25 Bill leaving made him better
01:30:45 Caller: Ted
01:40:00 Caller: Jared
Jenn Kamp Loses Defamation Lawsuit: RFM: 346
May 19, 2024
On May 15, 2024, Judge Faust of the Salt Lake City District Court issued terminating sanctions against Jenn Kamp in the defamation case brought against her by John Dehlin and the Open Stories Foundation.
In the order, Judge Faust found that Jenn Kamp had engaged in a pattern of hiding evidence from the other party so severe that it warranted terminating the case, holding as a matter of fact that Jenn Kamp had defamed John Dehlin, there would be no jury trial on the issue, and all that remained was to have a hearing in front of the judge in order to determine what the damages should be.
This is that order.
“Hoist With His Own Petard”: Hamlet, Act III, scene 4: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 015
May 19, 2024
The tension mounts as Hamlet’s mother, Queen Gertrude, summons Hamlet to her chambers after the “Mousetrap” play to demand of her son what he thinks he is up to.
Hamlet quickly turns the tables on her, causing her to cry out for help. This causes Polonius, hidden behind the arras in the same room, to cry out. Hamlet quickly stabs Polonius through the arras, apparently thinking it is the King.
This is the first onstage death we have witnessed in Hamlet. But there will be plenty more to follow as Hamlet moves us toward the climax!
LDS Church’s Stock Portfolio Under Scrutiny AGAIN [Mormonism Live 180]
May 16, 2024
Get set for EXPLOSIVE News on Mormonism Live as our dynamic duo RFM and Bill Reel are back in action, ready to unravel the jaw-dropping saga surrounding the Mormon Church and its investment arm Ensign Peak. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints faces NEW allegations around the LDS Church’s stock portfolio. With cloak-and-dagger tactics, hidden shell companies, and whispers of Villainous rule-breaking, this podcast promises a wild ride through the intersection of Prophets & Profits. Don’t miss a moment of the pulse-pounding excitement in “LDS Church’s Stock Portfolio Under Scrutiny,” exclusively on “Mormonism Live”!
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Real Mormon Women React to General RS President Camille Johnson: RFM: 344
May 14, 2024
Mormon Women speak up about recent comments by Relief Society General President Camille Johnson towards the effect that she was following the LDS Prophet in sacrificing to have worked outside the home while almost all Latter-day saint women were taught sternly to be at home moms and incurred shame and guilt for doing otherwise. And on the other hand to be burdened and feel hopeless thinking its their only option if they stayed home to raise kids.
Radio Free Mormon Does London!: RFM: 343
May 14, 2024
Radio Free Mormon takes some time to tell us about his London trip!
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The Book of Mormon Population Problem: Radio Free Mormon: 345
May 14, 2024
Welcome, avid learners, to another enlightening episode of Radio Free Mormon Sunday School! I’m RFM, your guide through the intricate landscapes of scripture study. Today, we’re diving into the fourteenth week of the “Come, Follow Me” curriculum for the Book of Mormon in 2024. Our focus? A critical examination of population numbers in the early chapters of Jacob—a topic rarely explored in regular Sunday School. Radio Free Mormon Sunday School, where you will learn stuff you’re never gonna hear in regular Sunday School, invites you to join us as we unravel the internal problems with historicity surrounding population figures in the Book of Mormon. In “A CRITICAL PROBLEM: Book of Mormon Population,” we’ll discuss: Scripture Study Revelation: Dive into the “Come, Follow Me” curriculum, exploring the intricacies of Jacob 1–4. Uncover insights that challenge traditional interpretations and shed light on internal inconsistencies. “Be Reconciled unto God through the Atonement of Christ”: Examine the central message of the Book of Mormon amidst the backdrop of population discrepancies, considering how spiritual truths intersect with historical realities. Analyzing Jacob 1–4: Dissect the population numbers presented in these chapters and scrutinize their feasibility within the context of ancient American civilizations. “Spiritual Blindness” and the Quest for Truth: Reflect on the importance of critical thinking and discernment when encountering historical challenges within scripture, emphasizing the need for honesty and openness in our pursuit of truth. Join us on this thought-provoking journey as we confront the critical problem of Book of Mormon population figures. Radio Free Mormon Sunday School is committed to providing a space for thoughtful discussion and deeper exploration, addressing topics that may challenge conventional narratives. Don’t miss out on the unique insights that will broaden your understanding of this intriguing aspect of scripture study.
The 600-Year Prophecy of Jesus: Mormon Sunday School: 1 Nephi 16-22: 005
May 14, 2024
Mormon in 2024. Brace yourselves for a captivating journey as we unravel the layers of Nephi’s 600-year prophecy of Jesus. In this episode, we’re not just skimming the surface; we’re delving deep into the intricacies of Nephi’s prophetic words about the Savior. Join us as we bring to light hidden insights that go beyond the ordinary Sunday School class, providing a fresh perspective on this powerful prophecy. Mormon Sunday School is not your run-of-the-mill Sunday School experience. We’re here to unveil the lesser-known details, the nuances, and the deeper meanings that might escape notice in regular classes. So, get ready for a thought-provoking discussion that will enhance your understanding of Nephi’s remarkable foresight. In “Nephi’s 600-Year Prophecy of Jesus: Unveiling Hidden Insights,” we’ll explore: The Prophetic Language: Examine the specific details of Nephi’s prophecy and the language he uses to foretell the coming of the Savior, delving into the cultural and historical context that adds depth to the message. Symbolism and Foreshadowing: Dive deep into the symbolic elements and foreshadowing within the prophecy, revealing layers of meaning that connect to broader themes in the Book of Mormon. Historical Significance: Uncover the historical significance of Nephi’s prophecy and its impact on the Nephite civilization, providing a richer context for understanding the unfolding events in the Book of Mormon. Application to Today: Discuss how the insights from Nephi’s prophecy can be applied to our lives in the 21st century, offering a timeless message that resonates with modern discipleship. Mormon Sunday School, where you will learn stuff you’re never gonna hear in regular Sunday School. Join us on this enlightening journey as we unravel the hidden insights within Nephi’s 600-year prophecy of Jesus, offering a fresh perspective on familiar scriptures and deepening your appreciation for the prophetic messages found within the Book of Mormon. Don’t miss out on the unique insights that will enrich your understanding of this pivotal moment in Nephite history.
“My Words Fly Up; My Thoughts Remain Below”: Hamlet, Act III, scene 3: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 014
May 14, 2024
Welcome back to ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where we uncover the hidden gems within the Bard’s timeless works! In this episode, our insightful host delves into the depths of Hamlet Act III, Scene 3, with a keen focus on the poignant quote: ‘My words fly up; my thoughts remain below.’ Join us as we explore the profound themes of guilt, redemption, and the complexities of the human conscience embedded within this pivotal moment of the play. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespeare aficionado or new to the world of classics, this episode promises a captivating analysis, thought-provoking commentary, and a fresh perspective on Shakespeare’s enduring relevance. Subscribe now for a journey through the heart of Hamlet, and let’s together brush up on the brilliance of the Bard. Your literary adventure awaits!
“The Lady Doth Protest Too Much, Methinks”: Hamlet Act III, scene 2: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 013
May 14, 2024
“Welcome back to ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where we delve into the rich tapestry of the Bard’s masterpieces! In this episode, our perceptive host dissects Hamlet Act III, Scene II, with a focus on the famous line: ‘The lady doth protest too much, methinks.’ Join us as we explore the intricate dynamics of deceit, manipulation, and self-awareness within this pivotal moment of the play. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespearean scholar or simply intrigued by the complexities of human nature, this episode offers a captivating analysis, insightful commentary, and a fresh perspective on one of Shakespeare’s most memorable scenes. Subscribe now for a thought-provoking journey through the layers of drama and intrigue in Hamlet, and let’s together brush up on the brilliance of the Bard. Your literary adventure awaits!”
The Most Famous Soliloquy in Western Literature: “To Be Or Not To Be”: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 012
May 14, 2024
Enter into the world of ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare,’ where the host steps into the greatest soliloquy ‘To Be Or Not To Be’. Join us for an in-depth exploration of the emotions, self-reflection, and existential ponderings embedded in this iconic soliloquy. It’s time to brush up on the brilliance of the Bard – your literary journey continues here!”
Making Mormonism Indiscernible From a Fraud [Mormonism Live 179]
May 09, 2024
The LDS Church and Mormon Apologists have a common tactic where by they take a problem the critic points out, and they alter the Church’s position so as to make the faithful position indiscernible From a Fraud. And tonight on Mormonism Live, we are going to lay out approximately 20 examples of instances where this very act occurred and once you see it, you will never see The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints the same again.
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Mormon Women Turn Up the Heat on Church Leaders! [Radio Free Mormon 342]
May 07, 2024
For the second time in as many months, Mormon women are pushing back against church leaders’ attempts to gaslight them into submission! Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency. DONATE VIA DONORBOX! https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-discussions-podcasts-full-lineup/id562296100 https://open.spotify.com/show/0lEZJF0ZH6ccoteUP9Z4Fu Instagram: /https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: @mormondiscussion https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Mormon Discussion Merch store https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Mormon Discussions Website – https://mormondiscussions.org/ Contact Bill Reel, RFM, and the Mormon Discussions Team: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com
The Gavel Falls: Jenn Kamp’s Credibility Crisis! RFM: 341
May 05, 2024
Radio Free Mormon, in his ongoing reporting of the civil suit in Salt Lake City between John Dehlin and Jenn Kamp, has obtained the audio of the entire hearing held on April 23, 2024. At the end of the lengthy hearing, Judge Faust expresses concerns he has with being able to believe Jenn Kamp. After you listen to the hearing, you will likely understand why Judge Faust feels that way.
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Jenn Kamp Tries to Kick Judge Off Case! [Radio Free Mormon 340]
May 02, 2024
Once again Jenn Kamp plays herself right into an episode of Radio Free Mormon where this time around she attempts to have the judge disqualified from the case Support Radio Free Mormon – DONATE VIA DONORBOX! https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormon-discussions-podcasts-full-lineup/id562296100 https://open.spotify.com/show/0lEZJF0ZH6ccoteUP9Z4Fu Instagram: /https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: @mormondiscussion https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Mormon Discussion Merch store https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Mormon Discussions Website – https://mormondiscussions.org/ Contact Bill Reel, RFM, and the Mormon Discussions Team: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
A Marvelous Work & A Blunder Part III [Mormonism Live 178]
May 02, 2024
Scott Christopher and Book of Mormon Central are up to bad apologetics once again misrepresenting to the audience proposed evidences of the Book of Mormon. They return to Chiasmus for the second time and speak at length about stylometry proposing those as evidences for the Book of Mormon. But what happens when these evidences are examined and explored more objectively? We are about to find out!!!
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Radio Free Mormon sits down with Carah “Nuance Hoe” Burrell and they tackle a talk given by apologist and Densley in 2023 titled “Proving the Church is True”. Densley who also happens to be a lawyer and refers to such as the basis for how he designed his talk is about to get a lesson in law from yours truly, RFM ! Help support Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon in making informative entertaining content that shines a light on truth and leads with transparency.
On this episode of Radio Free Mormon, RFM takes a close look at the LDS Church’s effort in Fairview, Texas to have its McKinney Mormon temple built in the midst of City Codes and disgruntled neighborhoods. And when you see how the Church is navigating these waters you will once again see behind the curtain. Please sustain and support the Radio Free Mormon podcast through donating at https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
Early Mormon Allegations Of Impropriety [Mormonism Live 176]
Apr 22, 2024
On this week’s episode we take a look at the historical stories that point to sexual impropriety of Joseph Smith and several other early key leaders in the faith that aren’t traditionally talked about. Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Martin Harris all come up in the episode and Bill & RFM weigh in on the merit of these rumors. Chapters 04:00 Josiah Stowell’s Daughters 07:15 Eliza Winters 13:30 Nancy Mirinda Johnson (Hyde) 23:45 Miss Hill 30:25 Fanny Alger 38:55 Martin Harris & Mrs. Haggard 45:15 Augusta Adams Cobb ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/Donate-To-Mormonism-Live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: https://subscribepage.io/MormonDiscussion Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
A Thorny Problem in The Book of Mormon: Missing Generations in the Small Plates of Nephi [RFM 346]
Apr 19, 2024
Radio Free Mormon takes a look at the small plates of Nephi and find himself in the midst of a sticky issue. Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
Joseph Smith’s Fingerprints on the Book of Mormon [RFM 337]
Apr 12, 2024
RFM takes a look at some often ignored details that point to who fingerprints are all over the authorship of “The Book of Mormon”
Ancient Gold Plates: What Do They Tell Us About Mormonism’s Gold Plates [Mormonism Live: 175]
Apr 11, 2024
Over the last few weeks a discovery has been making waves in the Mormon World. Gold plates bound by rings with ancient Israelite writing on them. Sound familiar? And YouTube Channels like Ward Radio, David Alexander, and The Stick of Joseph have touted these as evidence for the Book of Mormon. But as soon as they started making noise you begin to hear whispers of “fake”. Tonight we look at the plates, their provenance, and what they mean for Mormonism and its Gold Plates story. John Lundwall and Rebecca Bibliotecha join us and we even get the thoughts of Dan McClellan as we sort out not only what to believe and what to doubt but rather even if these are real, what do they mean or maybe more importantly what they absolutely don’t convey. 00:00 Intro – the Saudi Plates 06:45 Mormon podcast response 20:30 Dan McClellan’s biggest takeaway 33:00 Sermons of the day 41:50 Other gold/metal plates 1:05:25 Scripture Central clip 1:08:05 Even if it’s fake, it’s proof!
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April 2024 Sunday Afternoon Session General Conference Post-Mortem [RFM: 336]
Apr 08, 2024
RFM breaks down the fifth and final session of General Conference for April, 2024!
April 2024 Sunday Morning Session General Conference Post-Mortem [RFM: 335]
Apr 07, 2024
RFM breaks down the Sunday morning session of General Conference!
April 2024 General Conference Post-Mortem – Saturday Evening Session [RFM: 334]
Apr 07, 2024
Cover the highlights and lowlights of the April 2024 Saturday Evening Session of General Conference without having to watch it, while being entertained by Radio Free Mormon
April 2024 General Conference Post-Mortem – Saturday Afternoon Session [RFM: 333]
Apr 07, 2024
Cover the highlights and lowlights of the April 2024 Saturday Afternoon Session of General Conference without having to watch it, while being entertained by Radio Free Mormon
April 2024 General Conference Post-Mortem – Saturday Morning Session [RFM: 332]
Apr 06, 2024
Cover the highlights and lowlights of the April 2024 Saturday Session of General Conference without having to watch it, while being entertained by Radio Free Mormon
A Rabbi’s Take on Book of Mormon Central | Joe Charnes [Mormonism Live: 174]
Apr 04, 2024
Recently Mormonism Live has examined the proposed evidences of the Book of Mormon presented by Book of Mormon Central in their series “A Marvelous Work: How Great the Evidence”. One facet of that has been to tackle their use of Jewish Rabbi Joe Charnes. Rabbi Joe was kind enough to reach out to us and ask to have a chance to correct some misconceptions both about how we addressed his segment as well as how he was utilized on Book of Mormon Central’s Video and joins us to correct the record and to speak to his view of the historicity of the Book of Mormon.
“The Play’s the Thing”: Hamlet, Act II, scene 2, part B: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 009
Mar 28, 2024
“Welcome back, enthusiasts of the Bard, to another enlightening episode of ‘Brush Up Your Shakespeare’! In this edition, our insightful host delves into the complexities of Hamlet Act II, Scene 2, unraveling the intricacies of Shakespeare’s timeless play and noting that “The Play’s the Thing!”. Join us as we explore the nuances of political machinations, the unfolding drama at court, and the poignant moments that shape the narrative. Whether you’re a seasoned Shakespearean or just beginning your foray into the world of classics, this episode promises a compelling analysis, thought-provoking commentary, and a fresh perspective on the unfolding events in Hamlet. Subscribe now for an engaging journey through the heart of the play, and let’s together brush up on the brilliance of the Bard. Your literary adventure awaits!”
Rosebud Files Bar Complaint Against RFM! [Radio Free Mormon: 331
Mar 28, 2024
The drama continues for Radio Free Mormon as Anne McMullin Peffer (Rosebud) files a Bar Complaint against him. This will be the third bar complaint in less than a year but with RFM 2-0 against Bar complaints in the last 12 months and undefeated even when one includes appeals, one must wonder if Kamp’s Kompany has any chance to strike back against our unfettered hero. Well, we are about to find out. Testing 1,2,3… Testing 1,2,3… Please Donate to the Radio Free Mormon Podcast by visiting here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
LDS Church Financial Apologetics w/ Spencer Anderson [Mormonism Live: 173]
Mar 28, 2024
On this week’s program we take a look at the Faith matters Podcast with Aaron Miller where they answer the 100 Billion Dollar Question. But do their answers hold up? We sit down with Spencer Anderson to get his perspective on whether these Financial Apologetics hold water or if Miller is just blowing smoke.
Jenn Kamp’s Lawsuit Against RFM–DISMISSED!: RFM 330
Mar 27, 2024
Jenn Kamp’s attempts to get RFM and Gerardo Sumano named as counter-defendants in the Utah civil suit between her and OSF has been denied!
A False Book of Mormon Prophecy?: Radio Free Mormon Sunday School: 011: 2 Nephi 26-33: Lessons 11-12
Mar 27, 2024
Our study of the Book of Mormon reveals what appears to be a demonstrably false prediction regarding the return of the Jews to their Holy Land in the last days!
Priesthood Ban Refuted by Book of Mormon?: Radio Free Mormon Sunday School: 010: 2 Nephi 20-25: March 4-10
Mar 27, 2024
In a strange twist of fate, the Book of Mormon itself seems to refute the priesthood and temple ban on blacks instituted by the LDS Church in 1852 and not discontinued until 1978.
“To Be Or Not To Be”: Hamlet Act III, scene 1; Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 011
Mar 27, 2024
What’s eating Hamlet? That’s what everyone at court is trying to figure out! As the play progresses, the new king, Claudius, gets closer and closer to discovering Hamlet’s secret–that Hamlet has somehow figured out that Claudius murdered his way to the throne by killing Hamlet’s father!
“O What a Rogue and Peasant Slave am I”: Soliloquy: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 010
Mar 27, 2024
After having gone over this famous soliloquy from Hamlet Act II, scene 2 in the regular podcast, I take some time out here to perform the soliloquy. The rendition may not be stellar, but the soliloquy itself is one of the greatest in the English language!
Who Is Mormon Convert David Alexander [Mormonism Live 172]
Mar 21, 2024
Recent LDS Convert David Alexander has been making waves sharing his conversion and testimony everywhere. David claims to have been an Evangelical Pastor and having spent 47 years in Evangelical Christianity before being converted to Mormonism only a few months ago. But what happens when Bill Reel and RFM go digging into David’s background? Where did David spend those 47 years? What was he doing during that time? And who is David Derush… This ain’t your standard gathering the 12 Tribes in Israel lesson in Sunday School… But something has been gathered and you won’t want to miss out.
Hebrew Evidence for The Book of Mormon | A Marvelous Work & A Blunder | Part 2 [Mormonism Live 171]
Mar 14, 2024
In this episode of “Mormonism Live,” hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel dissect the claims made in the YouTube video titled “Hebrew Evidence for The Book of Mormon | A Marvelous Work | Episode 2” by Scott Christopher and “Book of Mormon Central.” The original video purports to uncover Hebrew evidences for the Book of Mormon, presenting them as compelling proof of its divine origin.
Chapters: 04:00 Rabbi Joe Charnes’ take on Jacob 5 19:30 Don Perry – Hebraisms 52:30 Olive Horticulture 1:25:00 Moroni’s Promise 1:39:00 Callers
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Rigdon Spalding Theory: Final Analysis [Mormonism Live 170]
Mar 07, 2024
In the “Rigdon-Spalding Theory: Final Analysis,” Bill Reel and RFM delve into the conclusive examination of the theory, welcoming historians and experts Dan Vogel and Bryce Blankenagel. Together, they provide valuable insights, critique, and a comprehensive perspective on the historical aspects surrounding the Rigdon-Spalding theory. The episode serves as a culmination of their exploration, offering a nuanced and expert-driven assessment of the theory and its implications on the founding of Mormonism.
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How The Mormon Church Protects Child Abusers [Mormonism Live 169]
Feb 29, 2024
How The Mormon Church Protects Child Abusers [Mormonism Live 169] Join RFM and Bill Reel on this compelling episode of Mormonism LIVE as they delve into a critical and sensitive topic – “How The Mormon Church Protects Child Abusers.” Our special guest, non-Mormon lawyer Tim Kosnoff, shares his firsthand experiences dealing with Kirton & McConkie and other legal representation of the LDS Church, shedding light on their practices that may seem counterintuitive when it comes to protecting victims.
In this episode: Tim Kosnoff’s Eye-Opening Insights: Tim, a seasoned lawyer, provides a unique perspective on the actions of Kirton & McConkie, revealing instances where their decisions seem to prioritize protecting the Church and abusers over the well-being of victims.
Unpacking Legal Strategies: Dive deep into the legal intricacies as Tim breaks down specific cases and instances where the actions of Kirton & McConkie may raise eyebrows, suggesting a pattern of behavior that goes against the interests of survivors.
Protecting the Institution or the Victims? Explore the dissonance between the purported goal of protecting victims and the observed practices that might be shielding abusers. Tim shares anecdotes and experiences that paint a vivid picture of the challenges survivors face within the Mormon Church’s legal framework.
Our Guest – Tim Kosnoff: Tim Kosnoff co-represents 17,000 clients in the Boy Scouts of America Chapter 11 bankruptcy. He has practiced law for forty years as a prosecutor, defense attorney and as a lawyer representing victims of child sexual abuse. He has extensive experience handling complex civil child sexual abuse litigation throughout the United States and Canada. He has handled thousands of complex child sexual abuse cases against religious and secular organizations including the Boy Scouts of America, the Mormon Church, the Catholic Church and a wide spectrum of other organizations. Tim has recovered more than $500 million dollars in settlements and jury verdicts.
Join the Conversation: We encourage respectful and thoughtful discussions in the live chat as we navigate this complex and crucial topic. Share your thoughts, questions, and perspectives, and let’s engage in a meaningful conversation about accountability, justice, and the role of institutions in protecting vulnerable individuals.
Disclaimer: This episode aims to foster awareness and open dialogue on a serious subject. Viewer discretion is advised as we discuss sensitive content related to child abuse within the context of the Mormon Church.
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Join us for a thought-provoking and informative episode that seeks to shine a light on the complexities surrounding child abuse within the Mormon Church. Let’s stand together in advocating for justice and compassion for survivors.
Why Is The Book of Mormon So Boring?: Radio Free Mormon Sunday School: 009
Feb 26, 2024
Today we delve into the Isaiah chapters in 2 Nephi, and RFM shows us how Isaiah can actually be made interesting!
LDS Abuser’s Family Speaks Out! [Mormonism Live 168]
Feb 22, 2024
LDS Abuser’s Family Speaks Out! In this bombshell interview on “Mormonism Live,” the family of Shawn Cory Gooden, an LDS (Mormon) bishop charged with child abuse, shares their side of the story. This exclusive conversation will test the claims made by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS) regarding Stake President Rhett Hintze’s involvement. The ordeal began with the arrest of Bishop Shawn Cory Gooden, who is facing charges related to child abuse. The legal proceedings shed light on the actions of Stake President Rhett Hintze, and his alleged failure to report the abuse, as charged by Pennsylvania State Police The LDS Church responded to the charges against Stake President Hintze, calling them “misguided,” according to the Deseret News’ coverage. The controversial case has garnered attention and raised questions about the Church’s handling of allegations of child abuse within its ranks. As the Pennsylvania Harrisburg Stake grapples with the shocking revelations, the interview on “Mormonism Live” offers a platform for the Gooden family to present their perspective on the events, providing a counter-narrative to the statements made by the LDS Church. Listeners can expect an in-depth exploration of the intricate details surrounding the case, shedding light on the complexities of the situation and the family’s journey through this challenging time.
The Monster in the Book of Mormon: 2 Nephi 6-10: RFM Sunday School: 008
Feb 20, 2024
Join us as RFM dives deep into a textual analysis of this sermon by Jacob. The results are surprising!
“Brevity is the Soul of Wit”: Hamlet, Act II, scene 2a: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 008
Feb 20, 2024
Join us as we continue our exploration of the greatest of all Shakespeare plays: Hamlet!
Mormons vs Ex-Mormons [Mormonism Live: 167]
Feb 15, 2024
We review the recent Jubilee video discussion that had Mormons and Ex-Mormons sitting down to discuss differences. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Run1f29po8g&t Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find everything Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/c/MormonDiscussionsInc or @MormonDiscussion Our mission at Mormon Discussion is to be a beacon of support for those who are questioning the truth claims or renegotiating their relationship with faith. Our podcasts like “Mormonism Live,” “Radio Free Mormon,” and “Mormon Discussion” offer a safe space for Discovery and healing. But we need your help. Your donations power our work – expanding outreach, improving content, and creating new initiatives. Visit https://donorbox.org/umbrella-entity or https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ and make a difference today. Your support empowers us to empower others. We are a 501C3 Non-Profit and your donation is tax deductable inside the United States https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/ Thank you for being part of the change. Together, we’re making a real impact.
Hamlet Act II, scene 1: “By Indirections Find Directions Out”: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 007
Feb 10, 2024
In today’s scene, we find Polonius, the King’s counselor, being sneaky and using spies to gain information. It is a habit that not only contrasts with the “wise” Polonius we have already seen in Act I, it is a practice that will eventually lead to his death.
Then his daughter, Ophelia, tells Polonius about an alarming encounter she just had with an emotionally overwrought Hamlet. Polonius believes this shows Hamlet is madly in love with his daughter, and rushes off to tell the King all about it.
Examining The Rigdon – Spalding Theory Part 2 [Mormonism LIVE 166]
Feb 08, 2024
In Examining the Rigdon Spalding theory, hosts Bill Reel and RFM embark on a journey beyond the familiar narrative of golden plates and angels. Delving into the Rigdon Spalding theory, they navigate the murky waters of historical documents and eyewitness accounts to present a compelling case for its consideration. By carefully laying out the best evidence, the hosts encourage listeners to critically engage with the possibility that the Book of Mormon may have origins rooted in Rigdon and Spalding’s collaboration. Join them on a quest for understanding that challenges established narratives and prompts a reevaluation of Mormon history. Part 1: https://youtube.com/live/kxm9pbLOwaQ Chapters: 00:00 Intro & Re-cap 01:05:00 4. Book of Mormon and “Manuscript Found” had significant overlap 01:16:00 The Jocker Study 01:23:30 5. Credibility Issues with Sidney Rigdon 01:35:00 Criticisms 1:53:30 Caller ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms:
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The Book of Mormon Critical Text Project: RFM Sunday School: 006
Feb 06, 2024
RFM dives into how he was involved with the Critical Text Project, and even ended up changing a word in the text!
Stake President Charged for Not Reporting Child Abuse: RFM: 329
Feb 06, 2024
Harrisburg, Pennsylvania Stake President Rhett Hintze was just charged with a felony for failing to report child sex abuse.
The actual abuse occurred around 20-years ago, but was not reported to President Hintze until 2020.
President Hintze called the LDS Abuse Hotline and was told to NOT report it to law enforcement.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost.
More Things in Heaven and Earth: Hamlet Act I, scene 5: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 006
Feb 06, 2024
The Ghost of Hamlet’s father, the former King of Denmark, finally delivers his message to Hamlet.
It is a message of evil, murder, deceit and revenge!
It’s enough to drive a bloke bonkers!
Jenn Kamp Sues Radio Free Mormon: RFM: 328
Feb 06, 2024
After failing to get me disbarred, Jenn Kamp has decided to add me to the lawsuit she has going with Open Stories Foundation and John Dehlin in Utah.
Just when you thought things couldn’t get any crazier!
Examining The Rigdon – Spalding Theory Part 1 | Mormonism LIVE 165
Feb 01, 2024
Examining The Rigdon – Spalding Theory [Mormonism LIVE: 165] In “Examining The Rigdon Spalding Theory,” hosts Bill Reel and RFM embark on a journey beyond the familiar narrative of golden plates and angels. Delving into the Rigdon Spalding theory, they navigate the murky waters of historical documents and eyewitness accounts to present a compelling case for its consideration. By carefully laying out the best evidence, the hosts encourage listeners to critically engage with the possibility that the Book of Mormon may have origins rooted in Rigdon and Spalding’s collaboration. Join them on a quest for understanding that challenges established narratives and prompts a reevaluation of Mormon history. Chapters 00:00 Welcome & Intro 06:00 Quick Synopsis 11:00 Lines of Evidence 13:40 1: Rigdon in Pittsburg 01:07:00 2: Rigdon in possession of Spalding’s Manuscript 01:19:00 3. Rigdon & Smith met before 1831 1:58:00 Callers For next time: 3. Finish section 3 by discussing where God seems to include Rigdon in Mormon Scripture 4. Significant Overlap between manuscripts 5. Rigdon’s credibility issues discussed ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. RESOURCES: https://archive.org/details/whoreallywrotebo0000cowd/page/8/mode/2up http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/PA/penn1860.htm#020679 https://medium.com/@mormonhistoryuncut/the-spaulding-rigdon-thoery-466db17ac50c https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spalding%E2%80%93Rigdon_theory_of_Book_of_Mormon_authorship https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5wMkPI930U&list=PL1F7D837E67152083 http://www.mormonthink.com/mormonstudiesmatilda.htm http://boap.org/LDS/Early-Saints/JWhitmer-history.html https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO1HioblztA https://www.google.co.uk/books/edition/The_Philadelphia_Album_and_Ladies_Litera/VVNTHPSIhj8C?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=rangdon http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/NY/courier.htm https://solomonspalding.com/SRP/saga/saga02a.htm http://sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/IL/whig1839.htm#rigdon https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1616&context=msr https://www.solomonspalding.com/docs2/Dav1977c.htm http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/CA/natruths.htm#040088-1d2 http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/UT/tribune2.htm#041588 https://exploringmormonism.com/spaulding-rigdon-timeline/ http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm http://www.mormonthink.com/mormonstudiesrigdon.htm#26january http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/MO/sain1922.htm https://www.mormonmatters.org/debunking-the-spaulding-theory/ https://www.dialoguejournal.com/wp-content/uploads/sbi/articles/Dialogue_V01N04_17s.pdf http://exmormonfoundation.org/files/ExmoConfTalkCriddle.pdf http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/dbroadhu/PA/penn1810.htm#070916 http://www.sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1old.htm#25 https://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit/page/n7/mode/2up?q=rigdon&view=theater https://scholarsarchive.byu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1616&context=msr https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2024/01/Dan-Vogel-Problems-with-Rigdon-Spalding-Theory.pdf http://sidneyrigdon.com/criddle/rigdon1.htm
Something is Rotten in the State of Denmark: Hamlet, Act I, scene 4: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 005
Jan 27, 2024
Act I, scene 4 finds us back on the castle battlements in the middle of the night keeping watch with Hamlet and Horatio for the Ghost of the dead king. Will the Ghost appear? And if the Ghost does appear, what will it say?
Join us to find out!
Nephi’s Vision of the Future: Mormon Sunday School: 004
Jan 26, 2024
RFM breaks down Nephi’s panoramic vision of the future in 1 Nephi 11-14 like nobody else!
Sunday School has never been this much fun!
Hamlet, Act I, scene 3: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 004
Jan 26, 2024
Join us as we dive into another scene from the most famous of all Shakespeare plays, “Hamlet!”
“To thine own self be true!”
“A Marvelous Work And A Blunder” [Mormonism Live: 164]
Jan 25, 2024
Do We discover compelling evidence for the Book of Mormon? In this week’s “Mormonism Live,” hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel, with guest John Lundwall, critically analyze the YouTube video “A Marvelous Work – The Greatness of the Evidence” by Scott Christopher and “Book of Mormon Central.” Claiming compelling evidence for the Book of Mormon’s divinity, the hosts uncover issues, scrutinizing methodology and highlighting counter-evidence. They explore complexities, aiming for a balanced perspective, fostering a thought-provoking dialogue that challenges assumptions in the original video. “Mormonism Live” serves as a concise resource for re-evaluating perspectives on the Book of Mormon. Do We discover compelling evidence for the Book of Mormon? No Instead we discover deeply deceptive apologists, false experts, and a complete misuse of data and discoveries. Info on John’s Tour here: https://adeptexpeditions.com/tours/lost-cities-maya-tour-yucatan/ Email John for a discount at: KNIGHTJL7@msn.com RESOURCES: https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/swnqxq9dwnne4pcy9by5r/2008_Sana_National_Museum_Part_III_Col.pdf?rlkey=nkrfiuho5po5n607bj3rj0itz&dl=0 https://meridian.allenpress.com/tjs/article/74/1/Article%205/487323/POST-PLEISTOCENE-HORSES-EQUUS-FROM-MEXICO
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Think Celestial – Celestial Marriage in Mormonism Before 1890
Jan 18, 2024
In this episode of “Think Celestial – Celestial Marriage Before 1890” we embark on a journey through the annals of Mormon history to unravel the definition of Celestial Marriage as well as “The New and Everlasting Covenant” before the pivotal year of 1890 when Wilford Woodruff issued the Manifesto marking the beginning steps of ending polygamy. Join our hosts Bill Reel and RFM as they meticulously examine historical documents and quotes from early leaders, shedding light on the evolution of Mormon theology within the LDS Church. Delving into the depths of polygamy and plural marriage, we explore how “Celestial Marriage” & “The New and Everlasting Covenant” were distinctly defined in the early days of Mormonism. Through the lens of primary sources and firsthand accounts, our hosts navigate the changing landscapes of doctrine, uncovering a fascinating contrast between the historical understanding and the modern interpretation of Celestial Marriage. As the hosts dissect archival materials, listeners gain insight into the complexities, controversies, and transformations that shaped the concept of eternal marriage in the early years of the LDS Church. “Think Celestial” invites you to reconsider preconceptions and delve into the rich historical context surrounding Celestial Marriage, bridging the gap between past and present perceptions. Join us in this exploration of Mormonism’s journey, where the celestial union took on different meanings, offering a thought-provoking glimpse into the foundations that have shaped the modern LDS understanding of eternal marriage. S9b0R2OBBGyoGzXhhTb7
https://archive.org/details/discoursesoncele00prat/mode/2up?view=theater (three early leaders all in one) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Celestial_marriage#CITEREFPratt1869
https://www.eugeneengland.org/on-fidelity-polygamy-and-celestial-marriage (not useful for research but to help the reader appreciate how detrimental polygamy is to women)
https://jod.mrm.org/1/53 (Pratt’s 1852 treatise to fully explain the doctrine/theology behind plural marriage
Mormon Church Hires LGBT Ally as Head Spokesman – The Mormon Newscast 005
Jan 16, 2024
Mormon Church Hires LGBT Ally as Head Spokesman will be our lead story tonight. We will also be covering some news about Tim Ballard, Chad Daybell, an Alcohol trademark violation in Utah, and Grant Hardy’s Annotated Book of Mormon!
Hamlet: Act I, scene 2: A Little More than Kin and Less than Kind: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 003
Jan 15, 2024
Making Shakespeare fun and easy!
Join us with our exploration of Hamlet in this overview of Act I, scene 2!
Come and Partake of the Fruit: Mormon Sunday School: 003
Jan 15, 2024
RFM does an in depth comparison of Lehi’s Dream of the Tree of Life in the Book of Mormon with a dream of Joseph Smith’s father in 1811.
The results are astonishing!
Temple Madness: Mormonism Live: 162
Jan 11, 2024
Join us for a special episode of “Mormonism LIVE” titled “Temple Madness,” where we’re turning the spotlight on the lighter side of LDS temple experiences. In this unique and entertaining episode, we invite callers from the Mormon community to share their funniest, craziest, wackiest, and most bizarre temple stories that have occurred in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints other Mormon sects. RFM and Bill Reel will be joined by Rebecca Bibliotheca and they will kick off the episode by sharing some amusing anecdotes of their own, setting the tone for a lighthearted and humorous exploration of temple-related tales. From unexpected encounters to quirky traditions, “Temple Madness” aims to showcase the human side of the Mormon experience within its sacred walls. “Temple Madness” promises to be a one-of-a-kind episode that fosters a sense of community while embracing the shared joy found in the sometimes unexpected and amusing moments within the Mormon temple tradition. Tune in for an unforgettable night of laughter and connection on “Mormonism LIVE – Temple Madness.” 02:00 Intro 06:10 Maven learns about the oaths 09:40 Wendy ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
A Tale of Two Testimonies: Mormon Sunday School: 001
Jan 08, 2024
Join Radio Free Mormon as we begin our study of the Book of Mormon using the Sunday School materials for the LDS Church.
Where you learn the stuff you’re never gonna hear in regular Sunday school!
Hamlet–Introduction: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 001
Jan 08, 2024
Join us as we make Shakespeare fun, easy and fabulous! The way it was meant to be!
We begin this series with an introduction to the greatest of all Shakespeare plays–HAMLET!
Hamlet, Act I, scene 1: Brush Up Your Shakespeare: 002
Jan 08, 2024
Today we jump with both feet into the first scene of Hamlet! What other play has a ghost appearing not once, but twice, in the very first scene?! Hamlet is the best play ever written!
The Slaying of Laban: Mormon Sunday School: 002
Jan 08, 2024
RFM covers 1 Nephi 1-5, with special emphasis on the problematic story of Nephi murdering Laban!
Growing Up Black In Mormonism [Mormonism Live: 161]
Jan 04, 2024
Growing Up Black In Mormonism [Mormonism Live: 161] Join hosts RFM and Bill Reel in this insightful episode of “Mormonism LIVE” as they engage in a candid conversation with Summur Rayn, a remarkable African American woman sharing her unique perspective on growing up in the Mormon community. We also get to her a bit about what it was like to raised in the home of a professional athlete and other unique experiences. This episode provides an invaluable opportunity to gain a deeper understanding of the experiences of Black individuals within the Mormon community, fostering empathy and dialogue around the complexities of faith, race, and identity. Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years.
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Big News for 2024! RFM: 327
Jan 01, 2024
RFM is gearing up TWO new weekly podcasts in 2024!
The first is “Mormon Sunday School,” which will cover the LDS Church’s “Come Follow Me” Manual on the Book of Mormon for the year.
The second is “Brush Up Your Shakespeare,” making Shakespeare fun and easy, the way it was always meant to be!
Both of these podcasts appear under the Mormon Discussions Podcasts umbrella, but will have their own separate websites under that umbrella.
The web addresses are: mormonsundayschool.com; and brushupyourshakespeare.org.
Please subscribe to both channels independently!
Mormon Abuse – Past Teachings & Present Problems | Mormonism Live 160
Dec 30, 2023
What might we find if we search the historical record about what LDS Prophets have taught around abuse. What have they said about Rape, or Child Abuse, or Sexual Assault? What would be taught by those who held the prophetic mantle? And What about in the present. The LDS Church says it takes abuse seriously but do they in fact practice what they preach. This week on Mormonism Live we investigate the past and the present and share what we find.
*** Trigger Warning *** This episode contains discussions of sensitive and distressing topics related to abuse within the context of Mormonism and The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. We will delve into past teachings, present challenges, and the lack of accountability, which may be triggering for individuals who have experienced trauma. Viewer discretion is advised. If you find these subjects distressing, consider seeking support or skipping this content for your well-being.
Chapters 3:05 Intro & Stats 19:10 Emphasis on controlling women 23:00 Tokens of virginity 27:45 The Ordeal of Bitter Water 40:50 Harshness for women 43:08 Problematic Mormon Scripture 47:45 The Miracle of Forgiveness: Better to die 1:11:40 Maven’s date gets possessive 1:08:15 The 1984 Letter 1:32:50 Richard G. Scott victim blames 1:38:50 Maven’s experiences as gatekeeper of chastity 1:45:30 Maven’s red dress 1:52:20 Maven’s experiences modding comments on modesty/sexuality 2:06:20 How the Church approaches abuse 2:27:25 Closing thoughts
Sources: Sexual Violence in Utah, Annual Report 2021: https://vipp.health.utah.gov/wp-content/uploads/SexualViolenceInUtahReport_2021.pdf Child Sexual Abuse – USU https://www.usu.edu/uwlp/a-bolder-way-forward/child-sexual-abuse Utah lawmaker questions whether sex with an unconscious person is rape ‘in every instance’ – Salt Lake Tribune: https://archive.sltrib.com/article.php?id=2136918&itype=CMSID
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RFM: 326: A Radio Free Mormon Christmas Eve Special – 2023
Dec 25, 2023
Mormonism Live Presents: A Radio Free Mormon Christmas Eve Special
Hello, This is Radio Free Mormon (RFM). Bill, Maven and I are doing a special live show on Christmas Eve starting at 6:00 pm MT and running for about an hour. Thank you and a very happy holiday season to you and yours!
Join us this week as we delve into some of the latest surprises in a few high profile crime cases involving Mormonism, checking out the latest around Tim Ballard and OUR and the mysterious White Board Meeting. As Christmas approaches we take a look at the LDS Giving Machines. What do we know about how they are being utilized in terms of who is getting the goods and who gets to count the donations? As we approach the conclusion of our program, we tackle the recent land acquisitions by the LDS Church in Nebraska, exploring the motivations behind the land grab and its broader implications. Our panel discussion promises to provide diverse perspectives on the LDS Church’s Mormon Monopoly of land and property over the past decade. This and more on this weeks News Coverage! RESOURCES: https://youtu.be/Qh-RPMTzgQU?si=XqFhYHzRF9fbX5cF https://www.youtube.com/live/xj2MKLr3-3M?si=_R0LWXh9YZDlt_af https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzDOgzKQibQ https://www.facebook.com/100057770485042/posts/864689548800053/?mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=865127008756307&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=854883476447327&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=931961834961307&id=100044424966565&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=735463865287640&id=100064720987232&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=835040405098301&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=834949878440687&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.instagram.com/justiceforjaredb/ https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLnLc7I2gyWtQ7qQ8I0u_mKsOdgXVBDqga https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=837995164802825&id=100057770485042&mibextid=WC7FNe https://www.sltrib.com/opinion/letters/2023/12/14/letter-heres-why-some-stick/ https://www.msn.com/en-us/music/news/is-being-mormon-a-requirement-to-join-the-tabernacle-choir/ar-AA1loXNR https://www.thechurchnews.com/living-faith/2023/12/13/23999137/come-follow-me-simplifies-from-4-manuals-to-1 https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/12/11/they-want-us-work-they-dont-want/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/16/world/europe/israel-hamas-money-finance-turkey-intelligence-attacks.html https://www.reddit.com/r/mormon/comments/18inie2/wealthy_exmo_paul_hutchinson_describes_the/ https://flatwaterfreepress.org/whos-buying-nebraska-after-shopping-spree-mormon-church-is-top-land-purchaser/ https://www.miaminewtimes.com/news/the-mormon-church-will-soon-own-more-private-land-than-anyone-in-florida-6519089 https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2022/04/05/new-database-gives-widest/ https://www.truthandtransparency.org/news/2022/04/05/lds-church-has-most-valuable-private-real-estate-portfolio-in-the-us-evidence-suggests/ https://doctorow.medium.com/the-mormon-church-owns-the-most-valuable-property-portfolio-in-america-ff590d405dd6 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zovxV6_eD2Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS3C0HUfBJQ
April 6th – Mormon Jesus’ Birthday | Mormonism Live 159
Dec 21, 2023
Join us for Holiday Investigation into Jesus’ Birthday on Mormonism Live. We will delve into the intriguing topic of Jesus Christ’s alleged birthday on April 6th, 1 AD. In this episode, we tackle the longstanding belief within the LDS community that Jesus was born on this specific date, exploring the history, the leaders who propagated this idea, and the scholarly perspectives surrounding it. Points of Discussion: 4:25 LDS Leaders and April 6th 13:30 James E. Talmage’s Role 32:00 The Church’s current stance 36:00 How the Teaching Perpetuated Investigating Interpretations Right or Wrong? Scholarly Insights
Join the conversation as we navigate through history, theology, and scholarship to unravel the mystery behind April 6th as Mormon Jesus’ birthday. Don’t miss this thought-provoking episode that promises to challenge preconceptions and shed light on a lesser-known aspect of LDS teachings. Mark your calendars and subscribe to Mormonism Live for an intellectually stimulating discussion on April 6th – the alleged birthdate of Jesus Christ according to Mormon tradition.
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MORE Tim Ballard Bombshells! RFM: 325
Dec 15, 2023
Long-time associate and financier of Operation Underground Railroad, Paul Hutchinson, drops a video with plenty of bombshells scoring direct hits on OUR and its founder, Tim Ballard.
RFM reviews the highlights!
New LDS Apostle, Sean Reyes, & The Oath: The Mormon Times
Dec 15, 2023
Good evening, and welcome to “The Mormon Times,” bringing you the latest news and stories that matter to the Latter-day Saint community. We have an exciting lineup for you tonight. Tonight we will cover the announcement of new apostle Patrick Kearon. We then turn our attention to the political landscape with breaking news and commentary about Attorney General Sean Reyes. And our last top story revolves around nationwide showing of Mormon cinematic flick “The Oath”
Mormonism LIVE ! 3rd Anniversary Special [ML: 158]
Dec 15, 2023
Mormonism LIVE ! 3rd Anniversary Special Join us for a special celebration as Mormonism Live marks its triumphant 3rd Anniversary! Over the past three years, we’ve delved deep into the world of Mormonism, exploring its history, beliefs, and culture with thought-provoking discussions. In this milestone episode, we take a nostalgic journey through the past year’s episodes, reminiscing about the highlights, controversies, and enlightening moments that have defined our show. Episode Highlights: Year in Review: Get ready for a trip down memory lane as we revisit the most captivating and impactful episodes from the past year. From insightful interviews to in-depth analyses, we’ll cover it all! Q&A Session: We’re turning the spotlight on YOU! Have burning questions about Mormonism, our show, or anything in between? Drop them in the comments, and we’ll answer as many as we can during the live Q&A segment. Live Phone Calls: This is your chance to be a part of the celebration! We’ll be taking live phone calls, allowing listeners to share their favorite moments, experiences, and thoughts about Mormonism Live. Dial in and join the conversation! As we reflect on three years of enlightening discussions, we’re grateful for the incredible community that has grown around Mormonism Live. Whether you’re a long-time viewer or a newcomer, your participation has been the heartbeat of this show. Save the date, set a reminder, and join us for this special episode filled with laughter, insights, and maybe a surprise or two! Together, let’s celebrate the past and look forward to more engaging discussions in the years to come. Don’t miss out on the Mormonism Live 3rd Anniversary Extravaganza – where every voice matters, and every question is an opportunity for discovery! #MormonismLive
How the Mormon Church Hides Child Abuse! [RFM 324]
Dec 10, 2023
RFM interviews a husband and wife who describe their experience with the LDS Church, and how they have seen firsthand what the Church does to hide child abuse!
The Toscano Excommunications! [Mormonism LIVE: 157]
Dec 07, 2023
The Toscano Excommunications! [Mormonism LIVE: 157]
4:00 Guest Intro 15:00 Courtship & Marriage 22:00 Underground documents 25:00 Paul serving a mission 29:55 Harold B Lee story 35:00 Margaret’s feminism journey 40:15 RFM first hears about the September 6 43:00 The Mormon Women’s Forum
Uncover untold stories and explore the religious complexities of Faith in this week’s episode of Mormonism LIVE! Join hosts RFM (Radio Free Mormon) and Bill Reel as they talk of excommunications within the LDS Church with none other than Paul and Margaret Toscano.
Ever wondered about the journey of those who challenge the status quo within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints? Look no further! In this candid and exclusive interview, the Toscanos share their personal experiences and insights surrounding their excommunications from the LDS Church.
About our Guests: Paul and Margaret Toscano, two prominent figures with a rich history within the LDS Church, share their unique perspectives on faith, community, and the challenges they faced when their beliefs diverged from the mainstream. Gain valuable insights from their experiences and perhaps find common ground with their struggles.
Hosted by RFM and Bill Reel: Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel are well-known figures in the Mormon podcasting community. With their vast knowledge and engaging interviewing style, they bring forth thought-provoking conversations that explore the nuances of Mormonism.
Subscribe, like, and hit the notification bell to stay updated on the latest episodes of Mormonism LIVE! Share your thoughts in the comments below and let’s foster a respectful and insightful dialogue about the diverse narratives within the LDS Church. #MormonismLIVE #ToscanoExcommunications #LDSChurch #FaithJourney #RFM #BillReel #PaulToscano #MargaretToscano _______ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P
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Breaking AP Story: How the Mormon Church Protects Itself From Abuse Claims [The Mormon Times]
Dec 05, 2023
And the Deseret News issued a response: https://www.deseret.com/2023/12/3/23986797/idaho-abuse-case-latter-day-saints-church-responds-to-ap-story
Please join us at 6pm mountain today as we launch the inaugural episode of “The Mormon Times: A Weekly Mormon News Program for the Latter-days.”
he Mormon Times will be a weekly LDS Church-themed news panel featuring Rebecca Bibliotheca (Mormonish Podcast), Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon (Mormonism Live!), and John Dehlin (Mormon Stories Podcast).
We envision other panelists joining the program in the future as well.
Jenn Kamp LOSES Bar Complaint Against RFM! [RFM: 324]
Dec 04, 2023
Jenn Kamp loses her request that the Bar Association review its decision dismissing her complaint against RFM!
Plus we learn more about the relationship between Jenn Kamp and the mysterious Janet Cox who filed a bar complaint against RFM, as well!
Mormon Church Sex Abuse Cover Ups! [RFM 323]
Dec 04, 2023
RFM covers a recent report on several sex abuse cases the LDS Church has tried to cover up!
The Sean Reyes Lawsuit [RFM 322]
Dec 04, 2023
RFM reviews the recent lawsuit filed not only against Tim Ballard and O.U.R., but also against Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes!
Paul Toscano – Could Mormonism Still Be True? [Mormonism LIVE: 156]
Nov 30, 2023
Join Bill Reel & RFM (Radio Free Mormon) for an engaging episode of “Mormonism LIVE,” featuring a special interview with the well-known Mormon figure, Paul Toscano. In this thought-provoking conversation, Paul will offer unique insights into his personal journey within the Mormon faith, touching upon his involvement in the infamous “September 6” event—a pivotal moment in Mormon history. Paul Toscano and his wife were key figures in the “September 6,” a group of intellectuals and scholars excommunicated from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in 1993. During the interview, Paul will share a glimpse into this historical moment, shedding light on the challenges faced by those who questioned certain aspects of Mormon doctrine and history. The heart of the discussion, however, will revolve around Paul’s perspective on how Mormonism remains true for him, despite the complexities and controversies that have arisen over time. Paul will delve into his personal beliefs, highlighting the resilience and adaptability of his faith in the face of challenges and historical intricacies. Whether you’re a devout follower, a curious skeptic, or someone navigating your own faith journey, this interview promises to be a nuanced exploration of the intricate relationship between individuals and their beliefs. RFM and Bill Reel, known for their insightful conversations on Mormonism, will guide the discussion with respect and openness, creating a space for a meaningful dialogue about faith, doubt, and the enduring nature of religious conviction. Tune in for a captivating episode that seeks to bridge understanding between diverse perspectives within the Mormon community, offering a platform for candid discussions on the complexities of faith and personal belief. Subscribe, like, and share as we navigate the fascinating intersections of history, belief, and the ever-evolving landscape of Mormonism.
Chapters 2:00 ish? Intro to Paul Toscano 12:20 Could Mormonism still be true? 16:15 My agreements with most Ex-Mormons 17:18 Other Triggers for Faith Crises 19:00 Why care about alternative narratives? 26:30 History vs Myth, Fact vs Fiction 32:00 Problems for the Church 36:40 Current Church History Timeline 42:40 Clues that it’s a myth, not a history 53:00 Godhead problems
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P
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“Stand Down” Order to LDS Women! [RFM 321]
Nov 28, 2023
RFM is joined by an illustrious panel of Mormon and post-Mormons to discuss the recent order that female leaders in San Francisco wards must get off the stand.
On the panel are Carol Lynn Pearson, Lila Tueller and Martine Dirick Smith.
Tim Ballard’s Psychic Sidekick! [RFM 320]
Nov 28, 2023
Breaking news regarding Tim Ballard’s use of psychic Janet Russon to locate missing children!
Welcome To The Mormon Apocalypse [Mormonism LIVE: 155]
Nov 23, 2023
Welcome To The Mormon Apocalypse as we join hosts RFM and Bill Reel on a riveting episode of “Mormonism Live” as they unravel the captivating phenomenon of “The Mormon Apocalypse.” In this thought-provoking discussion, our hosts dive into the core of why there’s a surge in Mormons pondering and speculating on the apocalyptic end of times and the second coming of Jesus.
RFM and Bill Reel explore the roots of the theology that has sparked widespread discussions about the end times within the Mormon community. From celestial events to theological interpretations, our hosts dissect the various factors that contribute to this captivating phenomenon.
Tune in for a captivating conversation that delves into the reasons behind the upsurge in apocalyptic ponderings and speculations within the Mormon community. Share your thoughts in the comments section below, and let’s engage in a respectful and insightful dialogue.
LDS Church Protects Child Molester! [RFM: 319]
Nov 16, 2023
In a stunning turn of events, the LDS Church proves that, when given the choice between protecting a child molester or protecting his victims, the LDS Church protects the child molester!
This one has to be heard to be believed!
Did the LDS Church Lie in its Tim Ballard Statement? [RFM: 318]
Nov 16, 2023
According to Mormon millionaire Russell Brunson, the 9/15/23 Church Statement condemning Tim Ballard is full of lies.
Russell Brunson therefore believes the Church Statement is a fake.
What he doesn’t seem to consider is the Church might actually have lied in an official statement.
This episode explores that possibility!
The Life of Moroni: A Voice From The Dust [Mormonism LIVE: 154]
Nov 16, 2023
In this episode of Mormonism LIVE titled “Voice From The Dust: The Life of Moroni,” we embark on a captivating journey through the life of Moroni, the last surviving Nephite and guardian of the sacred golden plates. Join us as we delve into Moroni’s early years, exploring his upbringing in a time of great turmoil and upheaval, as the Nephite civilization faced its ultimate demise. Through historical context, we uncover the challenges and pivotal moments that shaped Moroni into the stalwart figure he would become and led to his violent death.
Chapters:
3:45 Moroni’s Birth 19:15 Moroni’s travel map 35:30 Moroni’s rules 40:00 Alvin’s Hand 59:50 Joseph’s 1832 journal account 1:05:00 1838 First Vision account 1:18:00 Mary Whitmer 1:49:00 Monkey in a box 2:00:00 The death of Moroni Callers 2:10:30 Caller Edward: What’s up with Marvel?
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m
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Excommunicated In Absentia: Mormonism LIVE: 153
Nov 09, 2023
Welcome to Mormonism LIVE! In this installment, hosts RFM and Bill Reel delve into the intricacies of the excommunication of a couple who were previous guests on the show. (Ep. 145Shunning by decree https://youtube.com/live/HmUTeRWuLtA) Join us as we examine the details surrounding their church discipline and the broader implications for those involved. In “Excommunicated In Absentia,” RFM and Bill Reel bring their signature insightful commentary and analysis to shed light on the complexities surrounding this issue. Drawing from their extensive knowledge of Mormonism, they aim to foster understanding and dialogue within the community. Whether you’re a devout member of the LDS Church, an ex-Mormon, or simply curious about the inner workings of LDS Church discipline, this episode promises to offer valuable insights and perspectives. Join us for a lively discussion that seeks to promote empathy, compassion, and open conversation.
Chapters: 05:45 Episode 145 recap 21:15 Disciplinary Notice 33:00 Sara’s Email 41:20 President Morgan’s response 57:20 Mitja’s Statement 1:05:30 Sara’s Response 1:15:00 A Surprising Response 1:20:45 The Letter 1:58:30 Caller Sally: Mitja as scapegoat 2:01:05 Caller David: You are heroes 2:05:00 Caller Marzipan: It’ll get better
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Shocking New Claims In Tim Ballard Lawsuit! [RFM: 317]
Nov 05, 2023
Get ready for a bombshell episode of “Shocking New Claims In Tim Ballard Lawsuit!” on Radio Free Mormon. In this riveting installment, our host RFM meticulously unpacks the latest revelations in the lawsuit involving Tim Ballard, founder of Operation Underground Railroad (OUR), and Utah Attorney General Sean Reyes. RESOURCES: https://www.sltrib.com/news/politics/2023/10/27/utah-ag-sean-reyes-tim-ballard/ https://kutv.com/news/local/tim-ballard-faces-new-allegations-involving-latter-day-saint-leader-utah-attorney-general-sean-reyes-in-lawsuit-filed-trafficking-rescue-missions-couples-ruse-operation-underground-railroad https://www.sltrib.com/news/2023/11/03/utah-ag-sean-reyes-denies/ Don’t forget to hit the notification bell and subscribe for more in-depth discussions within the LDS (Mormon) community. Share your thoughts in the comments section below, and let’s foster a respectful and insightful conversation. Connect with us: https://radiofreemormon.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mormondisc Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RadioFreeMormon Catch up on previous episodes and explore more content on Radio Free Mormon’s website https://radiofreemormon.org/ . Thank you for being a part of this important conversation! Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/
Class Action Against the LDS Church! [RFM: 316]
Nov 05, 2023
Welcome to another episode of Radio Free Mormon, where we dissect the latest Class Action Against the LDS (Mormon) Church. In this episode, our esteemed host RFM takes a deep dive into the lawsuit filed against the Church, which you can read about in detail here. The lawsuit raises critical questions about the Church’s handling of sensitive matters and its responsibility towards its members. RFM provides insightful analysis, shedding light on the legal nuances and potential implications of this case. Join us for an engaging discussion as RFM brings his legal knowledge to offer perspective. RESOURCES: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2023/11/01/lds-church-sued-again-over-how-it/ Don’t forget to hit the notification bell and subscribe for more in-depth discussions within the LDS (Mormon) community. Share your thoughts in the comments section below, and let’s foster a respectful and insightful conversation. Connect with us: https://radiofreemormon.org/ Twitter: https://twitter.com/mormondisc Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/RadioFreeMormon Catch up on previous episodes and explore more content on Radio Free Mormon’s website https://radiofreemormon.org/ . Thank you for being a part of this important conversation! Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/
Breaking Silence Part 4: Examining 5 Women’s Claims Against Tim Ballard! [RFM: 315]
Nov 05, 2023
In Part 4 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 4 as we navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice of the second and third women’s statements. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/
Breaking Silence Part 3: Examining 5 Women’s Claims Against Tim Ballard! [RFM: 314]
Nov 05, 2023
In Part 3 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 3 as we navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice of the second and third women’s statements. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/
Breaking Silence Part 2: Examining 5 Women’s Claims Against Tim Ballard [RFM: 313]
Nov 05, 2023
In Part 2 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 2 as we navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice of the second and third women’s statements. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/ Thanks so much for watching! Please like, subscribe, and leave a comment! Visit our Channel to find all the desired info on Mormonism! https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ You can support our channel by donating here! (We are a 501C3 Non-Profit) https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/please-consider-donating-today/
Breaking Silence Part 1: Examining 5 Women’s Claims Against Tim Ballard [RFM: 312]
Nov 05, 2023
In Part 1 of “Breaking Silence,” host RFM delves into the deeply sensitive and contentious allegations surrounding Tim Ballard, the founder of Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Five women have come forward with claims that have shaken the foundation of Ballard’s humanitarian efforts. Join us in Part 1 as we begin navigate through the intricate web of testimonies, seeking truth, understanding, and justice. Through rigorous research, candid interviews, and thoughtful analysis, we aim to shed light on the complexities of this case and provide a platform for voices that have long been marginalized. “Breaking Silence” is not just about scrutinizing the allegations, but also about fostering a dialogue that encourages accountability and empathy. Together, we’ll embark on a journey towards clarity, empathy, and ultimately, the pursuit of justice. You can support Radio Free Mormon by donating here https://radiofreemormon.org/donate-radio-free-mormon/
Sister Wives’ Kody Brown [Exclusive Interview] ML: 152
Nov 02, 2023
Join us for a special episode of “Mormonism LIVE,” where hosts Bill Reel & RFM (Radio Free Mormon) sit down with Kody Brown, one of the central figures from the popular TV show “Sister Wives.” In this exclusive interview, we delve deep into the world of polygamy, exploring both the personal and cultural aspects of this controversial practice. Kody Brown has opened up his life to the public through the hit reality series “Sister Wives.” Together, they navigate the complexities and challenges of plural marriage, giving viewers a unique perspective into a lifestyle that is both intriguing and controversial. In this candid conversation, Kody shares his experiences, insights, and reflections on living plural marriage within the context of his faith. RFM and Bill Reel, known for their thoughtful and probing discussions on Mormonism, bring their expertise to bear on this fascinating subject. They will guide the conversation with sensitivity, seeking to foster understanding and promote meaningful dialogue around the complexities of faith, family, and relationships. Whether you’re a long-time fan of “Sister Wives,” someone with a curiosity about alternative family structures, or simply interested in exploring the diverse tapestry of religious beliefs, this interview promises to be an enlightening and thought-provoking experience. Tune in for a captivating discussion that delves into the heart of a lifestyle that challenges societal norms and offers a window into a world often hidden from public view.
Coast to Coast With Bill Reel & Radio Free Mormon: Mormonism LIVE: 151
Oct 26, 2023
Get ready for a spine-tingling Halloween special as “Mormonism LIVE” takes a chilling detour into the world of the paranormal. In this special episode, hosts Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel play on the motif of the legendary “Coast to Coast AM” radio show, inviting you to share your most hair-raising ghost stories and inexplicable encounters live on this week’s show. Join us as we venture into the unexplained, peeling back the layers of eerie tales and mysterious happenings. From shadowy figures to ghostly apparitions, the lines between the living and the supernatural blur as our audience shares their firsthand accounts of the otherworldly. Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon bring their signature wit, insight, and open-mindedness to this unique exploration of the unknown. Whether you’re a skeptic or a believer, this episode promises to deliver a Halloween experience like no other. So, gather ’round and prepare to be both spooked and spellbound in this unforgettable Coast to Coast special.
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P
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Tim Ballard Update: The Husband’s Tale! [RFM: 311]
Oct 23, 2023
RFM reviews the statement of the husband in the most recent lawsuit filed against Tim Ballard!
Married Couple Files Suit Against Tim Ballard! [RFM: 310]
Oct 23, 2023
RFM reviews the statement of the married woman in the most recent lawsuit against Tim Ballard.
And here I thought things were crazy already . . . !
Mormonism’s Holy Matrimony: ML: 150
Oct 19, 2023
This week’s episode “Mormonism’s Holy Matrimony” takes listeners on a journey through the hidden annals of Mormon history, exploring the controversial teachings of early LDS leaders that suggest Jesus Christ was married and what we know about Christ’s descendants. Delving deep into historical documents Bill Reel and RFM unravel the layers of visibility and acknowledgement surrounding these teachings. Through meticulous research, we aim to shed light on the suppressed narratives, examining the motives behind the LDS Church’s efforts to distance itself from these teachings in a bid to conform to societal norms. This episode confronts the tension between tradition and revelation and the LDS Church need to fit in and appear mainstream. With a balanced approach, we strive to provide a comprehensive view of this complex issue, respecting diverse perspectives within and outside the Church. The podcast culminates in a couple of surprise discoveries that unveil the startling truth about the official status of these teachings within the LDS Church. Drawing on extensive research these discoveries promise to be a significant addition to our collective understanding of the intricate relationship between early LDS beliefs and the Church’s evolving doctrine on this issue. “Was Jesus Married and Who Are His Descendants” invites listeners to re-examine their perceptions of Mormon history, faith, and the ongoing evolution of religious doctrine. Join us on this riveting journey as we uncover the truth about past doctrine.
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years.
Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc
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The Ballards Breaking Bad: ML: 149
Oct 12, 2023
In this episode of “Mormonism Live” hosted by RFM and Bill Reel, we delve deeper into the intricate web of connections between former Operation Underground Railroad president Tim Ballard and LDS Apostle Elder M. Russell Ballard. We uncover the morally ambiguous terrain that surrounds these two figures. As the fallout from the allegations against Tim Ballard continues, a stark division emerges. On one side, a Mormon Church spokesman, Doug Andersen, vehemently denies any involvement of Elder M. Russell Ballard in Tim Ballard’s ventures. Tim Ballard, defending his position, maintains that he never exploited Elder Ballard’s name for financial gain, insisting that they had no business dealings.
However, as our investigative journey explores the surrounding allegations, the possibility that both Ballards are entangled in more than one dubious enterprise, casts shadows over their declarations of innocence. During a alleged clandestine meeting of the Quorum of Twelve Apostles, shocking revelations emerge, shedding light on the shared interests of the Ballards in the creation of the film “Sound of Freedom.” This motion picture, we discover, was perhaps not only a means to immortalize and enrich Tim Ballard but also a missionary tool to further the cause of Mormonism. The allegations of sexual misconduct against Tim Ballard take a disturbing turn as unnamed victims come forward, accusing him of invoking Elder Russell Ballard’s name to exert spiritual influence, alledgedly leading to illicit sexual encounters. In this episode, we unravel a narrative where lines blur, loyalties are tested, and dark secrets come to light. Join us as we navigate the treacherous terrain of morality and power dynamics, echoing the iconic words from “Breaking Bad”: “I am the one who knocks.” “The Ballards Breaking Bad” reveals a complex tale of victimhood and complicity, leaving us to ponder whether Elder M. Russell Ballard is a victim, an accomplice, or something else entirely in this intricate web of deception.
Glenn Beck Turns On Tim Ballard! [RFM: 309]
Oct 07, 2023
After initially siding with Tim Ballard against the LDS Church, Glenn Beck has done some investigation and is now turning on Tim Ballard.
RFM reviews a recent Blaze News article on the subject which presents a lot more information!
RFM Gets ANOTHER Bar Complaint!: RFM: 308
Oct 07, 2023
To RFM’s surprise he has received a 2nd Bar Complaint and this time rather than Jenn Kamp, it comes from a total stranger. So todays Episode will share with fans and followers of the Radio Free Mormon Podcast the latest effort to get RFM disbarred!
Decoding General Conference: Mormonism Live: 148
Oct 05, 2023
In ‘Decoding General Conference’, we delve deep into the recent October 2023 LDS General Conference. Join us as we uncover the subtle nuances, hidden messages, and underlying themes of the most newsworthy talks. Explore the intersection of faith, fear, and leadership methods, and gain fresh perspectives on the tactics and evolving doctrines. It’s a journey of revelation and insight that challenges conventional narratives.
Chapters 10:00 Renlund’s new baptism Doctrine 18:00 Oaks – Abiding by the laws of the kingdom 41:55 Waddell – 54:55 Waddell – all questions answered in life of Jesus 1:06:00 Nelson – “Think Celestial” 1:09:15 TK Smoothie
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P
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RFM: 307: Sunday Afternoon GenCon Post-Mortem
Oct 04, 2023
RFM recaps the final session of Oct 2023 GenCon
RFM: 306: Sunday Morning GenCon Post-Mortem
Oct 04, 2023
RFM recaps the First Sunday session of Oct 2023 GenCon
RFM: 305: Saturday Evening GenCon Post-Mortem
Oct 01, 2023
RFM breaks down the Saturday Evening Session of October 2023 General Conference!
RFM recaps the Saturday Afternoon session of General Conference, October 2023!
RFM: 303: General Conference Post-Mortem–Saturday Morning Session
Sep 30, 2023
RFM hits the high and low points of 2023 October General Conference!
Mormons Gone Wild: ML: 147
Sep 28, 2023
Mormon Church Seeks To Silence Whistleblower?: ML: 146 Mormonism Live has been watching from afar this story with 8 passengers and Jodi Hildebrandt and has for tonight’s episode zoomed in real close to look at a particular facet connection to the story to once again shine a light on the deep unhealthiness that permeates LDS Leadership and once again show that loyalty and obedience seem to be prioritized character traits over doing what is right and good. Full interview at Mormon Stories: https://www.youtube.com/live/_gvsqvz92KM?si=iSkKfG8gxrgPzNjU
Chapters:
1:45 Intro & Overview
7:30 Two Mormon General Authorities 12:20 Camp Little Lemhi Abuse Incident 20:55 Abuser’s Conviction 28:05 Mormon Homophobia among BSA 30:10 Suing BSA 36:35 Changing Idaho Law 49:45 Elder Hillam and the Perversion Files 57:30 Hillam Tries to ruin Adam’s marriage 1:05:40 Jodi’s “therapy” and Mormon doctrine on masturbation 1:18:00 Systemic destruction of marriages 1:25:40 Weaponizing Honor Code Office 1:33:15 Marriage & Entrapment 1:47:10 Custody Battles 1:57:55 Trying to get back into BYU 2:13:15 Updates & Comments 2:20:00 Calls Mormon Stories Interviews with Tim Kosnoff: https://youtube.com/live/d2bMslFMybs https://youtube.com/live/SOnci7Zjbic https://youtube.com/live/6kkHUiOs6us
Radio Free Mormon Sex Scandal Coverup: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdDu84bkhDdYlYameRuC9Yc
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc
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Mormon Church Seeks To Silence Whistleblower?: ML: 146
Sep 28, 2023
Mormonism Live has been watching from afar this story with 8 passengers and Jodi Hildebrandt and has for tonight’s episode zoomed in real close to look at a particular facet connection to the story to once again shine a light on the deep unhealthiness that permeates LDS Leadership and once again show that loyalty and obedience seem to be prioritized character traits over doing what is right and good. Full interview at Mormon Stories: https://www.youtube.com/live/_gvsqvz92KM?si=iSkKfG8gxrgPzNjU Chapters: 1:45 Intro & Overview 7:30 Two Mormon General Authorities 12:20 Camp Little Lemhi Abuse Incident 20:55 Abuser’s Conviction 28:05 Mormon Homophobia among BSA 30:10 Suing BSA 36:35 Changing Idaho Law 49:45 Elder Hillam and the Perversion Files 57:30 Hillam Tries to ruin Adam’s marriage 1:05:40 Jodi’s “therapy” and Mormon doctrine on masturbation 1:18:00 Systemic destruction of marriages 1:25:40 Weaponizing Honor Code Office 1:33:15 Marriage & Entrapment 1:47:10 Custody Battles 1:57:55 Trying to get back into BYU 2:13:15 Updates & Comments 2:20:00 Calls Mormon Stories Interviews with Tim Kosnoff: https://youtube.com/live/d2bMslFMybs https://youtube.com/live/SOnci7Zjbic https://youtube.com/live/6kkHUiOs6us Radio Free Mormon Sex Scandal Coverup: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLq34QmiHsNjdDu84bkhDdYlYameRuC9Yc___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
This Is Why You Can’t Trust the Mormon Church!: RFM: 302
Sep 27, 2023
In this eye-opening episode of Radio Free Mormon, RFM delves deep into the tangled web of the Mormon Church’s involvement with Tim Ballard and Operation Underground Railroad (O.U.R.). Despite the Church’s public statements asserting no official ties to Ballard’s organization, RFM presents compelling evidence that contradicts these claims. Beginning with a meticulous examination of the Church Newsroom’s statements, RFM uncovers a startling revelation: on the very day the Church declared its non-affiliation with O.U.R., it was simultaneously scrubbing references and articles from its official website that demonstrated clear support for Tim Ballard and his mission. RFM meticulously outlines the timeline, revealing a pattern of duplicity that raises critical questions about the transparency and honesty of the Mormon Church. Through careful analysis, he dissects the conflicting narratives presented by the Church, shedding light on the intricate dance between public image and hidden agendas.
Listeners will be riveted as RFM unearths archived material, demonstrating the Church’s active endorsement of Tim Ballard and O.U.R. in the past. He highlights key statements, speeches, and publications that unequivocally demonstrate the Church’s historical alignment with Ballard’s mission to combat human trafficking. Furthermore, RFM raises essential ethical and moral considerations surrounding the Church’s involvement with O.U.R. He challenges listeners to reflect on the implications of this discrepancy, emphasizing the importance of trust and accountability within any religious institution. As the episode unfolds, RFM provides a comprehensive analysis that encourages critical thinking and a reevaluation of the Church’s stance on O.U.R. He skillfully weaves together threads of evidence, leaving listeners with a compelling case for skepticism and a renewed commitment to seeking truth.
“This Is Why You Can’t Trust the Mormon Church!” is a powerful episode that underscores the necessity of transparency, integrity, and ethical responsibility within religious organizations.
Tim Ballard Operative Speaks Out!: RFM: 301
Sep 27, 2023
In this episode “Tim Ballard Operative Speaks Out!” Radio Free Mormon dives deep into the shadows of “Operation Underground Railroad” (OUR) with an exclusive interview featuring an operative who has chosen to break their silence. With firsthand experience working inside OUR, the operative sheds light on the controversial organization and its founder, Tim Ballard. Listeners will be taken on a journey through the intricate web of child rescue missions, revealing startling revelations about the methods employed by OUR. The interview explores the shocking claims of psychic intelligence being utilized as a cornerstone of their operations, as detailed in the Vice exposé, and delves into the dark underbelly of the trafficking industry. Drawing from the Vice articles linked below, RFM and the operative discuss the contentious production of “Sound of Freedom,” a film that came under scrutiny for its portrayal of an underage trafficking victim. The conversation provides a chilling glimpse into the blurred lines between advocacy and exploitation. The informant offers a unique perspective on the fallout and its implications for both Ballard and the organization he founded. “Tim Ballard Operative Speaks Out!” is an eye-opening episode that confronts the complexities and controversies surrounding Operation Underground Railroad. Listeners will gain invaluable insights into the motives, methods, and morality of an organization claiming to be on the frontlines of the battle against human trafficking. Don’t miss this exclusive exposé that challenges the narrative and prompts critical reflection on the pursuit of justice.
RFM: 300: Tim Ballard and the Psychic Connection!
Sep 21, 2023
RFM recounts late-breaking details of how Tim Ballard used a female psychic to find missing children.
VICE News is reporting that Paul Hutchinson, a former close associate of Tim Ballard and member of Operation Underground Railroad, is alleged to have touched a female minor’s bare breasts while on an OUR mission in Mexico.
RFM breaks down these allegations, as well as presenting the latest on the Tim Ballard/Elder Ballard/O.U.R. situation!
RFM: 298: Tim Ballard Strikes Back!
Sep 19, 2023
While LDS Church leadership has been sitting on its hands saying nothing after the bombshell press release last Friday made national news, Tim Ballard strikes back with a public statement effectively pinning Church leaders to the mat!
RFM: 297: Special Report: Sex Harassment Claims Against Tim Ballard!
Sep 18, 2023
Vice News is reporting today that at least seven female employees of Operation Underground Railroad have claimed former O.U.R. President Tim Ballard sexually harassed them.
According to Vice News, THIS is the reason Tim Ballard stepped down from being President of O.U.R. several months ago.
RFM: 296: Glenn Beck Stands Up for Tim Ballard Against the LDS Church!
Sep 17, 2023
The LDS Church issued a statement last Friday (9-15-23) condemning Tim Ballard of Operation Underground Railroad as being “morally unethical.”
Now famous Mormon radio and podcast personality Glenn Beck has gotten into the mix standing up for Tim Ballard AGAINST the LDS Church!
You have to hear it to believe it!
Risky Business – Mormon Apologetics: RFM: 295
Sep 17, 2023
In this eye-opening episode of “Radio Free Mormon,” host RFM joined by Rebecca Bibliotheca & Landon Brophy from the “Mormonish Podcast” delve into the complex world of Mormon apologetics, shedding light on a controversial connection between the apologetic group “Book of Mormon Central” and the LDS Church. Despite claiming independence, evidence suggests that the Church plays a significant role in funding and exerting directional influence when necessary. RFM explores the high-stakes nature of this intricate relationship. He uncovers how the Church’s involvement in Book of Mormon Central raises questions about transparency and accountability within the Mormon apologetics sphere. Is Book of Mormon Central truly an independent entity, or is it, in essence, a venture controlled by the LDS Church? RFM meticulously dissects the financial ties, organizational structures, and decision-making dynamics that blur the lines between Book of Mormon Central and the LDS Church. Through meticulous research and insightful analysis, he unveils the potential impact of this connection on the narratives and defenses presented by Mormon apologists. Join RFM and Rebecca Bibliotheca & Landon Brophy as they navigate through the labyrinthine world of Mormon apologetics, peeling back layers of complexity to reveal a relationship that challenges the notion of independence. This episode will leave you questioning the boundaries between faith, scholarship, and institutional influence. Don’t miss this episode of “Radio Free Mormon” that proves that sometimes, the riskiest business is the one happening behind closed doors.
In this explosive episode of “Radio Free Mormon,” RFM delves into the shocking revelations surrounding “Operation Underground Railroad” (OUR) and anti-trafficking activist Tim Ballard (OUR). Documents obtained by VICE News unveil a complex web of connections, alleging that a prominent figure within the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, President M. Russell Ballard, played a secret role in “Operation Underground Railroad” activities. Insider information describes Ballard’s claims of a covert collaboration between OUR, his personal ventures, and the senior church leader Russell M Ballard. Their alleged aim: to use the anti-trafficking cause as a means to draw Americans into the Mormon faith. As RFM uncovers the intricate details, listeners will learn about the extent of the ties between the two Ballards, involving business arrangements, blessings, and even interactions with a psychic claiming to communicate beyond the veil. Moreover, the episode highlights the fallout from these revelations. Tim Ballard’s departure from “Operation Underground Railroad” amid internal investigations coincided with the unexpected success of “Sound of Freedom,” a fictionalized account of his child-rescue missions. RFM dissects the statements provided by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, which firmly denounces any endorsement or support for “Operation Underground Railroad” and Tim Ballard’s projects. The podcast uncovers a trove of psychic readings, purportedly used in OUR’s operations, raising questions about the legitimacy of their missions. As the episode unfolds, RFM explores the ramifications of these revelations on Tim Ballard’s professional and political aspirations. Despite being effectively denounced by the Mormon power structure, Ballard’s persistence and ability to reinvent himself remain remarkable. Listeners will be captivated by this in-depth exposé, shedding light on a controversy that challenges perceptions of faith, activism, and personal ambition. “Operation Underground Railroad Unveiled: The Tim Ballard Controversy” promises to be a riveting and thought-provoking installment of “Radio Free Mormon.”
Shunning By Decree: Mormonism LIVE: 145
Sep 14, 2023
One LDS couple shares their experience about how the LDS Church tries to prevent members from sharing uncomfortable truths with each other.
Chapters 5:00 Guest introduction 15:00 The video that started it all 24:00 Voting opposed 44:00 Fast & Testimony Meeting 50:00 Canceling church 58:00 Chatbot and circular reasoning 59:30 Aftermath of the testimony meeting 1:02:30 The nightmare 1:05:00 Email from the Bishop 1:15:15 Stake President meets him in the parking lot 1:17:00 Another fast & testimony meeting 1:37:25 The Cops show up at the house 1:50:00 A Cowardly Letter from Kirton McConkie 2:03:45 The Texts 2:17:15 In Closing 2:26:00 Calls Episodes mentioned:
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Jenn Kamp Tries to Get RFM Disbarred: RFM: 293
Sep 13, 2023
Radio Free Mormon shares with his audience the latest saga regarding Jenn Kamp. That in fact Jenn Kamp has attempted to get Radio Free Mormon disbarred. RFM explains the dirty little details in this episode and shares with his audience both what Jenn shared in her claims and what the Washington State Bar Association responded…. Did RFM get disbarred? Did Jenn Kamp have a viable claim? Can RFM continue to practice law? All this and more in today’s episode of Radio Free Mormon “Jenn Kamp Tries to Get RFM Disbarred”
Is Mormonism True Or Is It A Fraud? [How You Can Know] ML:144
Sep 07, 2023
Embark with “Mormonism Live” on a thought-provoking journey with its hosts Bill Reel and RFM in their podcast, “Is Mormonism True Or Is It A Fraud?” as they investigate the LDS Church Truth claims, how those claims run into a wall of contradictions, and how the LDS Church simply moved the goalposts so as to make Mormonism indiscernible from a fraud. This podcast sheds light on the problematic issues that have cast shadows of doubt upon the LDS faithful as Bill Reel and RFM take you on a captivating exploration of the Church’s ever-evolving framing of these issues. Discover how, when faced with the doubts and faith crises of LDS believers, the Church and its apologists have skillfully retreated on each issue, artfully crafting new narratives that blur the line between truth and potential fraud. The podcast unravels Joseph Smith and the Mormon Church’s truth claims, examining the complex history that surrounds the foundational beliefs of the LDS faith. In “Is Mormonism True Or Is It A Fraud?” you’ll gain a deeper understanding of the delicate balance between faith and skepticism within the LDS community. Join us as we navigate the intricate landscape of Mormonism, questioning the past while seeking to uncover the truth in the present. RESOURCES:
Does the Book of Mormon Refute Itself ?: ML: 143
Aug 31, 2023
Dr. John Lundwall explains how the Book of Mormon not only contains anachronisms, but is actually an anachronism itself. Chapters 08:00 John’s intro 10:10 Orality & Literacy 11:12 Entire presentation summarized in one slide 23:00 Understanding Media: The Extensions of Man 24:00 The Medium is the message 27:15 Printing Press as Medium 32:00 Oral and Literate Mediums 41:20 Oral Imprinting Press 52:30 Secondary Orality 57:15 Metal Plates: History or Ritual? 58:00 Literate thinking 1:00:00 Mythologizing History 1:04:30 Evolution of Religion 1:07:00 Evolution of the Word 1:20:00 Joseph Smith Assumes History is Literate 1:31:30 Nephite & Lamanite Civilizations are Fully Literate
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years.
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RFM: 292: New Insights on the Priesthood & Temple Ban!
Aug 27, 2023
RFM reviews insights from Lester Bush’s groundbreaking 1973 Dialogue article on the history of the priesthood and temple ban!
Prophetic Racism – From Doctrine to Disavowed Theories | Mormonism Live 142
Aug 24, 2023
___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
RFM: 291: Radio Free Mormon Takes a Church Survey!
Aug 20, 2023
Listen in while RFM takes a Church survey about why people leave the Church!
My favorite part is imagining Church leaders reading these answers!
Here is a link to the survey if you want to let the Church know how you feel.
Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: Mormonism LIVE: 141
Aug 17, 2023
Dismantling Brian Hales’ Book of Mormon Defense: ML: 141 In this episode, hosts RFM and Bill Reel team up with LDS scholar Dan Vogel to critically examine the arguments put forth by LDS apologist Brian Hales in defense of the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. They discuss Hales’ reasons and defenses of why the BOM can’t possibly be a work of fiction authored without God’s involvement. The conversation offers a scholarly exploration of the strengths and weaknesses of Hales’ defense, encouraging listeners to engage in thoughtful analysis of the Book of Mormon’s origins.
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Brian Hales & The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Book Review Pt 1: ML: 140
Aug 10, 2023
Brian Hales & The Terrible, Horrible, No Good, Very Bad Book Review: ML: 140 We lost Dan due to storms affecting his internet connection, so join us next week for part 2! In this week’s episode, Mormon apologist Brian Hales enters the scene to deliver a 2-star review of “Charisma under Pressure,” the groundbreaking book by Mormon critic Dan Vogel. As the battle of perspectives unfolds, it becomes apparent that Brian’s review may not be all it seems, raising questions about intellectual honesty and genuine consideration. While giving us all pause to consider the believing mindset and church loyalty of its apologists while also considering the fine line between passionate belief and intentional misleading.
Chapters 09:00 The Review 17:30 Brian Hales by the numbers 23:25 The first paragraph 28:00 Brian makes the caricatures 32:30 Second paragraph 34:15 God of the (dictation) gap 48:00 RFM on the revelations Joseph also got 50:00 BoM a “complex” book 1:08:45 Joseph’s Composition and Oratory skills 1:27:45 Bill goes over proof he is a liar 1:30:45 Caller: Brian, words aren’t miracles 1:39:20 NaNoWriMo 1:45:25 Caller: I wrote my 77,000 Master’s thesis as a mom of 5 in two months
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RFM: 290: Sunstone 2023–Return and Report!
Aug 05, 2023
I had a number of interesting adventures on my one-week trip to Utah to present at Sunstone!
This is the story.
The names have been changed to protect the innocent.
Or not!
Obscure Mormon Artifacts: Mormonism Live: 139
Aug 03, 2023
Step off the beaten path of Mormon history and venture into the realm of relics & artifacts that shed light on lesser-known aspects of the Mormon faith. Delve into the enigmatic history of handkerchiefs, coffin canes, along with other obscure artifacts that whisper compelling tales from the annals of Mormon History.
Chapters:
13:00 Zelph Arrowhead 24:00ish Everything Joseph trips over ends up supremely significant 26:00 Masonic Apron 27:40 Joseph’s Red Silk Handkerchief 31:20 Joseph Smith Nauvoo Legion Attire 32:45 Joseph’s Pepperbox Pistol 34:30 Hyrum’s clothing at Martyrdom and the box the plates were stored in 37:10 Coffin Canes 54:00 David Whitmer Chest & Martin Harris Leather Wallet 54:45 John Taylor Watch 57:45 Mormon Gold Coins 59:00 They are substandard 01:03:10 Hyrum Smith’s Sunglasses 01:03:55 Book of Abraham Printing Plates 01:11:10 Oliver Cowdery’s Rod of Aaron 01:20:00 James Rafael update 01:26:50 Caller: Captain Moroni 01:32:30 Caller: Kate on Nauvoo pageant
Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841
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RFM and Bill Reel are joined by Spencer who shares the latest from the Widows Mite Report (https://widowsmitereport.wordpress.com/) and share their latest reveal calling into question the perception that the Deseret Mutual Benefit Administration (DMBA) was at the same time Ensign Peak was being investigated, allegedly doing the same funny business as Ensign Peak was in not filing 13F forms disclosing investment assets. Spencer runs us through the data and informs us that an anonymous person has filed complaints with the SEC. He shows that Beneficial Life may have also been doing the same thing. We are informed that a familiar face was on the board of DMBA and we also learn about “Plan Z”. While the Church has considered the SEC escapade closed, it appears that these prophets may not have seen around corners.
RFM: 289: Jenn Kamp v. John Dehlin–The Anti-Stalking Hearing!
Jul 24, 2023
On March 7, 2023, a four-hour evidentiary hearing was held on Jenn Kamp‘s petition to have a permanent anti-stalking order placed against John Dehlin.
This is the full audio of that hearing!
Mormon to Millionaire: Sam Brannan & the Brooklyn: Mormonism LIVE: 137
Jul 20, 2023
Join us on a captivating episode as we explore the multifaceted life of Samuel Brannan, a charismatic leader who played a pivotal role in both in Mormonism and the California Gold Rush. We trace Brannan’s journey from his membership in Mormonism, to his leading a group of Mormon pioneers on the perilous voyage of the Brooklyn, and his transformation into a savvy businessman and perhaps California’s first millionaire. Learn about the voyage of the Brooklyn as we examine the motivations behind this perilous journey, tracing it back to the religious aspirations of the Mormon community at the time. Delve into the trials and triumphs faced by the passengers, the challenges of sea travel during that era, and the subsequent impact of the voyage on the development of Mormon settlements in California. We discuss Brannan and the Mormons arrival in California, and Brannan’s subsequent involvement in the booming industry around the California Gold Rush. Discover the complex legacy of Samuel Brannan, whose actions left an indelible mark on both religious and economic landscapes. This episode uncovers the unique intersection of faith, manifest destiny, and migration in American history. RESOURCES:
Samuel Brannan – The First Millionaire of the West | Econproph [U.S. Economic History] https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9649/rec/3 https://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/digital/collection/NCMP1820-1846/id/9668/rec/3 ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
RFM: 288: Second Anointing Ritual: The Complete Script!
Jul 15, 2023
Through a series of serendipitous events, a complete transcript of the Second Anointing Ritual has come into my hands.
Several other podcasts have talked about the Second Anointing, but here I reveal the details of the actual ordinance itself!
In this episode of Mormonism LIVE we delve into the original research of this little known episode in Church history involving the Theatre, Temple Endowments, and a Ouija board Message leading to baptisms.
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KJV & JST – The Devaluing of Mormon Scripture and Translation: ML: 135
Jul 06, 2023
The clips from this show were used from The Gospel Tangents Podcast Episode titled “Thomas Wayment Responds to Adam Clarke Controversy (1 of 2)” https://gospeltangents.com/2023/05/thomas-wayment-adam-clarke/ ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/ mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. ___________________
RFM: 287: The Boy Who Kicked Conspiracy Theories!
Jul 02, 2023
Looks like I have definitely kicked an anthill with my critiques of the conspiracy theory that Joseph Smith did not practice polygamy!
Lots of listeners have weighed in on both sides of the issue and I wanted to let them have a say in the debate through a collection of their comments.
I also add a few additional items myself, plus a great observation by The Amazing Maven!
Thanks everybody for all your great comments!
Mormon Polygamy Nightmare: ML: 134
Jun 29, 2023
Mormon Polygamy Nightmare: Mormonism Live: 134 Nightmares are scary and some nightmares are real. In this gripping episode of Mormonism LIVE, we delve into the extraordinary journey of a woman who lived within a Mormon polygamous relationship. Through an intimate and eye-opening interview, she shares her harrowing experiences, the challenges she faced, and the inspiring story of her escape from the clutches of polygamy As the conversation unfolds, listeners are transported into the center of a polygamous family that is shrouded in secrecy and patriarchal dominance. We delve into the origins of her involvement in the polygamous relationship, exploring how religious beliefs were exploited to justify the practice and perpetuate control over women. Tune in to this riveting episode and join us on an emotional and enlightening journey as we unveil the shadows that hide behind closed doors, empower survivors, and shed light on the resilience of the human spirit. Chapters: 03:15 Meet “Abby” 04:15 The hunt for a straight, single man leads to…Mormonism? 11:30 “the Lord wants us in Las Vegas” 14:30 Becoming bored with Mormonism 28:25 Hunting for new wives 34:15 “What is going through your head?” 37:00 Abby’s husband “earns” his 2nd anointing but Abby refuses 42:00 Trying to bring home Filipina wife 45:15 Cancer diagnosis & death 57:30 21 minutes and 23 seconds () 01:02:00 Abby finally starts looks 01:03:00 Mormonism LIVE is the final straw
01:06:05 Lessons learned 01:21:15 Live calls Mormonism LIVE & the Occult: https://youtube.com/live/ULG2Uk3ggDg ___________________ Welcome to “Mormonism Live,” the ultimate talk show that delves into the messiness of Mormon history and theology while also tackling current events with a live call-in section at the end of every episode. Hosted by two trusted voices in the Mormon community, Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel, this podcast has been taking on the tough issues and exploring the nuances of the LDS faith for years. Help us continue to deliver quality content by becoming a donor today: https://mormonismlive.org/2020/12/mormonism-live/?default_interval=m Take a look at our Merch! https://www.exmoshirts.com/collections/mormondiscussions Sign up for our (mostly) quarterly newsletter: http://eepurl.com/hrnr4P Our Platforms: MormonDiscussions.org, MormonismLIVE.org Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/19LxPcTdYUeBhEqUaZNCFm Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/mormonism-live/id1546629841 Connect on Social Media: Private facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/1307897462893835 Insta: https://www.instagram.com/mormondiscussion/ TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@mormondiscussion Discord (hosted by Mormon Stories): https://discord.com/invite/kuX5p6yyjF https://twitter.com/MormonDisc Contact us: MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com #MormonismLive #MormonDiscussions #RadioFreeMormon Mormon Discussion Inc is a 501(c)(3) and is in the arena of journalistic work and is part of a free press. Any of the awesome content or the solid opinions expressed, implied or included in Mormon Discussion Inc’s podcast lineup and production are solely those of Mormon Discussion Inc. and/or its program hosts and not those of Intellectual Reserve, Inc. or The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
RFM: 286: No Ma’am, That’s Not History!
Jun 25, 2023
Did Joseph Smith practice polygamy? As obvious as the answer to that question may seem to you and to other trained professional historians both inside and outside the LDS Church, there is a small but growing group of Mormons or former Mormons who maintain that Joseph Smith did NOT practice polygamy.
Ms. Michelle Stone is one such person, and she posted a podcast responding to the Mormonism Live episode from a couple of weeks ago where we put forward the compelling evidence that Joseph Smith DID IN FACT practice polygamy.
In this podcast, I show how Ms. Stone’s response to the evidence we presented is woefully inadequate, and further has all the earmarks of the types of “reasoning” and “logic” common to conspiracy theorists of all stripes.
This is one for the record books!
Mormonism Live: 133: The Fresh King Benjamin ( @thefreshkingbenjamin )
Jun 22, 2023
The Mormonism Live crew takes a much needed break for June 21st being joined by upcoming “Mormon” comedian Ben Brown known as “The Fresh King Benjamin”. Ben’s humor deeply connects to his own journey in and deconstruction of fundamentalist Mormonism and the episode is sure to be an enjoyable entertaining evening.
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RFM: 285: On Teaching Mormon Sunday School
Jun 17, 2023
Radio Free Mormon’s Rules for Teaching Sunday School!
I have taught hundreds of Sunday school lessons over my time in Mormonism.
By the time I was 32-years old, I had some decidedly unorthodox rules for teaching in Church.
I recently discovered a paper I wrote more than 30-years ago setting forth those unorthodox rules.
Here it is for the first time in this or any other format . . . Radio Free Mormon’s Rules for Teaching Sunday School!
Mormon Magic Parchments: Mormonism LIVE: 132
Jun 15, 2023
RFM: 284: The Mormon Polygamy Controversy!
Jun 10, 2023
One of the key components in the controversy over whether Joseph Smith or Brigham Young instituted plural marriage is the dating of Section 132.
Some proponents of the idea Brigham Young started plural marriage in the Church argue Section 132 was written by Brigham Young or someone at his direction AFTER Joseph Smith died, but was falsely attributed to Joseph Smith by Brigham Young when it was first published in the 1876 edition of the Doctrine and Covenants.
RFM presents a textual analysis of three affidavits published June 7, 1844 in the Nauvoo Expositor which conclusively demonstrates the text of Section 132 existed in all material respects during Joseph Smith’s lifetime.
This means Section 132 was not created by Brigham Young or anyone else after Joseph Smith’s death.
The Evidence that Joseph Smith was a Polygamist: ML: 131
Jun 08, 2023
There is a raging debate within Mormon circles where those folks who are determined to maintain belief in the Prophet Joseph Smith but who abhor polygamy and the Church as ran by Brigham Young and after have found ways to dismiss the standard evidence that Mormonism’s founder was a polygamist. They interpret the evidence as made up by Brigham Young and those around him in an effort to draw Joseph Smith into a practice he never participated in. Stories of fabricating history, backdating prophesy, and discrediting witnesses. On this week’s episode Bill & RFM with a few friends take a look at the evidence and to see if one has compelling reasons to believe Joseph Smith was, in fact, a polygamist! MAIN CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM REASON 1.) Clayton Journal Entries can be shown to be reliable 2.) D&C 132 is shown to be reliable as the text of the revelation that Smith received 3.) There is substantial Evidence that imposes that Smith originated and perpetuated Polygamy 4.) Hyrum Smith read the revelation in a High Council Meeting and Joseph and Hyrum tried to excuse the revelation away in the Nauvoo City Council but not a the way that allows Polygamy deniers to impose a narrative of “Eternity Only Sealings” or “Dynastic Sealings”. Hence they must confront why Hyrum and Joseph don’t respond using the narrative they have created. 5.) That any attempt to explain Joseph’s practice as “eternal only” and not time is irrational in light of Hyrum and Joseph’s attempt to walk back the doctrine/revelation of plural marriage by explaining it was in regards to former times and had nothing to do with the present. In other words Dynastic Sealings or relationships in the hereafter that are not binding or sexual in this life is not going to strike fear and anger and rebelliousness in Emma, along with pushback and resentment in Marks, Cowles, and Soby and can be explained without embarrassment. But when Joseph and Hyrum tip their hand by making the excuse that this revelation is about former times and not the present, we can rationally conclude this wasn’t eternal only or dynastic relationships that lacked sex or marriage in this life.(While we didn’t show it, Orange Wight’s autobiography also imposes that Smith had Flora Woodworth as a wife and he was notified that because of such, she was taken. Hence this wasn’t a eternity only relationship.) If you want to see the documents and the notes about what these documents show. Check out the three part Reddit Posts on the topic..
RFM: 283: Church Historian on the Hot Seat!
Jun 03, 2023
On Saturday, April 22, 2023, Church Historian Elder Kyle McKay sat down with an inactive former seminary teacher named Joe for a candid discussion about Church History.
On the May 17, 2023 episode of Mormonism Live, a listener named Justin called into the show.
Justin identified himself as a believing Mormon. I took the opportunity to ask Justin a series of questions about his beliefs regarding what a prophet could do that would be so bad that Justin would no longer consider him a prophet.
A number of listeners have provided feedback to that segment that was highly critical of the way I conducted myself.
This episode is my response to that listener feedback.
Mormonism Live: 129: How The Mormon Church Got Its Name
May 25, 2023
In this video we delve into the history behind how the LDS Church came to have its name and how its official name has changed from its inception to today. And along the way we learn about the use and meaning of the word Mormon as well as how the Church went from “Latter Day Saints” to Latter-day Saints” and you won’t believe how much went into a hyphen and a lower case letter d.
RFM: 281: My Debate with a Church of Christ Minister!
May 20, 2023
At the zenith of my Mormon apologetics back in 1990, I engaged in a public debate with a Church of Christ minister from Austin, Texas.
This is the story of that debate.
Gone In 60 Minutes: Mormonism Live: 128
May 18, 2023
This past week 60 Minutes the CBS TV Journalism Show covered the event of the Church having its finances exposed by whistleblower David Nielson. We take a look at what was said…. and what wasn’t in this weeks episode of Mormonism LIVE! “David Nielsen is a former investment manager for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who became a whistleblower regarding the church’s finances and tax-exempt status. Nielsen accused the church of hoarding billions of dollars it has not paid taxes on and asked the IRS to strip the church of its tax-exempt status. Nielsen argued that the church owes billions in taxes, and he wants a cut of that as part of a reward offered by the IRS for reporting tax-related offenses.”
The Greek Psalter Incident – Another Tale of Translation: Mormonism LIVE: 127
May 11, 2023
The story of Joseph Smith and Henry Caswall (Caswell) and the Greek Psalter incident is a historical event that took place in 1842 in Nauvoo Ill.. During his visit to Nauvoo, Illinois, where the Mormon Church was headquartered at the time, Caswall met with Joseph Smith. Caswall showed The Prophet a ancient document which Caswall knew to be a “Greek Psalter” or book of Psalms in the Greek language. Caswall claimed that Smith insisted the Psalter was actually a Dictionary for Egyptian Hieroglyphics book was a translation of an ancient record that he had received through divine revelation. Caswall declared that it was nothing more than an ancient Greek Psalter.
As RFM and Bill dig into this story they discover that that Mormonism fares worse than we first thought and the problems reach as high as Jacob’s Ladder.
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RFM: 280: Compelling Reasons to Doubt Mormonism!
May 07, 2023
In a strange twist of fate, my old missionary companion, Kyle McKay, has become not only a General Authority, but also the Church Historian!
Now Kyle gets the chance to have his old missionary companion do a dissection of the talk he gave at BYU-Idaho on April 25, 2023; a talk many consider to be one of the most controversial talks given by a church leader in recent memory!
It has taken Kyle 43-years to prepare himself to give this talk.
It has taken me 43-years to prepare myself to break it down!
Mormons & Muskets with Jim Bennett: Mormonism Live: 126
May 04, 2023
RFM and Bill sit down with Jim Bennett to discuss his recent appearances on “Midnight Mormons” and take a look at all the rhetoric around violence in Mormonism including the musket talk by Elder Holland but with an updated and focused discussion around whether such a talk is fueling the very violent threats and rhetoric that critics of Holland’s talk have suggested could be the outgrowth of the “Musket” talk and the lack of the LDS Church in official channels condemning such rhetoric.
Radio Free Mormon: 279: Red-Handed! How the First Presidency Got Caught Breaking the Law!
Apr 29, 2023
A new BOMBSHELL report lays out how the First Presidency not only actively engaged in defrauding the Federal Government in the SEC Scandal, but also how the First Presidency is still actively engaged in deceiving its own members by portraying themselves as innocent of any wrongdoing!
You just can’t make this stuff up!
I am joined in this analysis by University of Illinois Assistant Professor of Accounting Spencer Anderson.
Special thanks to the WIDOW’S MITE REPORT for researching and discovering this groundbreaking information!
Mormonism Live: 125: Gospel Fully Restored or Just The Beginning Of An Ongoing Restoration?
Apr 27, 2023
When the Phrase “Ongoing Restoration” showed up around 2020 Critics paused as this seemed to be the Church saying something different as if the Church now wanted the restoration to be much earlier in its stage of development than had been intimated in the past. So Bill & RFM take long look over Mormonism’s history to see what has been said and what it might mean. RESOURCES: https://www.sltrib.com/religion/2021/01/26/mormon-land-how-lds/ https://youtu.be/v43WkDalVAs?t=114 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/latter-day-saint-prophet-wife-apostle-share-insights-global-ministry?lang=eng#churchofjesuschrist https://youtu.be/n49OhL-NbVY?t=15 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2020/04/the-ongoing-restoration?lang=eng https://youtu.be/MvVtCKHarI0?t=62 https://youtu.be/AN6e4IQBLWs?t=798 https://youtu.be/AN6e4IQBLWs?t=896 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7NHQ8v-bmY&t=429s https://youtu.be/I7NHQ8v-bmY?t=537 https://youtu.be/jdUeOY-hA1c?t=388 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2006/10/the-gathering-of-scattered-israel?lang=eng https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2005/11/truth-restored?lang=eng https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/SUNDAY-INTERVIEW-Musings-of-the-Main-Mormon-2846138.php https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1-ldzfaB33n8oXeI00ttom_i6WUTGeFPD?usp=share_linkhttps://speeches.byu.edu/talks/gary-e-stevenson/the-ongoing-restoration/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKH4vU1EiB4
Biblical Scholarship with Dan McClellan: Mormonism LIVE: 124
Apr 24, 2023
In this week’s edition, RFM and Bill sit down with Dan McClellan, former scripture translation supervisor for the LDS Church.
Dan received his bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern studies, where he focused on Biblical Hebrew and minored in Classical Greek. He completed a master of studies in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford in July of 2010 and a master of arts in biblical studies at Trinity Western University just outside of Vancouver, BC. His areas of specialization are Second Temple Judaism, early Israelite religion, and textual criticism of the Hebrew Bible.
Radio Free Mormon: 278: Mormonism Debate–Highlights Reel!
Apr 23, 2023
In November of 2021, I flew to Salt Lake City to debate the Midnight Mormons.
The entire debate lasted almost three hours!
I have worked hard over two days breaking it down into a Highlights Reel that is just over an hour.
I want to thank everybody who came to the debate and I think you will really like hearing the Highlights!
Radio Free Mormon: 277: Disappointing Mormonism
Apr 17, 2023
Mormonism has the power to disappoint in many ways, even after I thought I had left it far behind.
One of the most significant disappointments for me is being betrayed by church leaders I trusted implicitly, only to find they were not telling me the truth.
What happens when you find out your ability to discern the truth is compromised?
That is the underlying message of this podcast!
Mormonism LIVE: 123: Wood Tools vs Steel Tools w/ Jonathan Streeter
Apr 13, 2023
Years ago Jonathan Streeter wrote a blog post titled “Fix your faith crisis with this one weird trick!” that was deeply influential on Bill. So tonight we bring Streeter into the studio to discuss Wood Tools vs Steel Tools and tom recognize when wood tools are being used.
Radio Free Mormon: 276: Proof Jesus Really Existed!
Apr 08, 2023
In honor of the Easter Season, RFM examines evidence that Jesus actually did exist!
This is one you won’t want to miss!
Mormonism LIVE: 122: GenCon CXCIII
Apr 06, 2023
This General Conference had lots of interesting twists and turns that have now had time to ruminate in the minds of RFM and Bill Reel. And this weeks episode involves a dive into the Mormon phenomena known as the April 2023 General Conference of the LDS Church.
The Sunday Morning Session may well be the Church’s response to the SEC fiasco! Listen and find out why!
Radio Free Mormon: 273: General Conference Digest–Saturday Afternoon Session
Apr 01, 2023
General Conference has never been this much fun!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 272: General Conference Digest–Saturday Morning Session
Apr 01, 2023
General Conference has never been this much fun!!!
Mormonism LIVE: 121: Joseph Smith’s First Vision in Context: A Comparative Analysis
Mar 30, 2023
Joseph Smith’s First Vision ushered in the restoration of the Gospel. It had Heavenly Father and His Son coming through the Heavens to visit the young boy in the spring of 1820. This vision leads to the founding of Mormonism. But what is not as well known is that in the late 1700’s and early 1800’s, everyone and their brother was having visions and many of them appear to be very similar to Joseph Smith’s. So in this week’s episode Bill and RFM do a comparative analysis on those other Visions to see what can be gleaned and its no small thing what they find.
Tonight RFM and Bill take a look at how both Top Church Leadership and local leaders extend pressure for dissenting voices to be silent. The episode will include individual stories along with the general instruction by top leaders to diminish dissenting voices and at times to altogether silence them.
Mormonism LIVE: 119: Cordon Homicide – Epilogue
Mar 18, 2023
RFM has received the the video and audio from his second information request and report back regarding what was turned over by law enforcement. Once again we learn new details that both add clarity and complexity to this case. BONUS AUDIO: We inserted the cut up audio clips of all three witnesses that we had audio interviews of focusing only on the moment in the hotel room where the traumatic event likely occurred. Notice Bonnie’s admitting she heard the youngest kid but then struggles to answer finally stating she did not hear Derek or the parents in spite of all the yelling and screaming that both parents acknowledge along the way. After her clip are multiple clips of Hana and Nolan where Nolan stammers about what he awoke to finally imposing over multiple points in the interview that Hana was already awake and out of bed dealing with Derek when he awoke out of his sleep but juxtaposed against Hana who intimates at two different points in the interview that her and Nolan seem to have awoke together to the crying of the child and both in an escalated voice tell him to be quiet. Nolan also at one point claims he yelled at Derek to be quiet but how can such be when Hana in both her interview and her re-enactment indicates she screams at Derek in Bed that “he is not breathing”
Mormonism LIVE: 118: How Mormons Twist Scripture to Worship Wealth w/ David Bokovoy
Mar 13, 2023
Many are going through great lengths to justify the massive hoards of wealth the Church has accumulated on the backs of its believers, even going as far as to use scripture. But do these scriptures REALLY justify the accumulation of wealth as the Church and its members would have you believe?
Radio Free Mormon: 270: Jenn Kamp Loses Anti-Stalking Petition Against John Dehlin
Mar 08, 2023
RFM reads Judge Coral Sanchez’s 13-page order denying Jenn Kamp’s Petition for an Anti-Stalking Order against John Dehlin.
Radio Free Mormon: 269: That Time I Killed My Mom’s Dog
Mar 04, 2023
Here is the half-hour presentation I gave at Thrive in St. George, Utah, on February 26, 2023!
I had a fantastic time meeting friends old and new!
Thanks to all the people involved in making Thrive a wonderful reality for so many of us!
Mormonism LIVE: 117: Changes To The Temple & The Ethics of Ensign Peak Advisors
Mar 02, 2023
Radio Free Mormon: 268: RFM Has Lightbulb Moment About A New Lawsuit Idea
Feb 24, 2023
What if the liability of the LDS Church has changed this week by the very acts it admitted this week? What a novel and deeply true idea. Imagine the church losing a class action sort of legal action. It’s one of those rare moments to affect more than normal where an added segment of people think a new thought that changes everything
Mormonism LIVE: 116: Who Really Killed Joseph Smith?
Feb 23, 2023
On June 27th 1844, Joseph Smith, the Mormon Prophet, was martyred at Carthage Jail by a mob. Or at least that is how the generally accepted story goes. In the last 8 months, Justin Griffin (Director & Producer) and Steve Sorensen (Film Maker), have shared their research that maybe things are not what we have been told. They present their experts, their research, and their conclusions that it was in fact John Taylor and Willard Richards that in fact murdered their own prophet in cold blood. RFM and Bill take a look at their research and the testimony of their experts to see what can be seen with a critical eye. Is this research true? Was Joseph Smith and Hyrum Smith killed by their friends?
Radio Free Mormon: 267: Joseph Smith’s Amazing Backdated Prophecies!
Feb 20, 2023
RFM, John Dehlin, Nemo and Mike from LDS Discussions team up to discuss the age-old tradition of backdating prophecies, and how Joseph Smith appears to have made use of this same technique.
Bottom Line–It’s easier to predict the future when it is actually in the past!
Mormonism LIVE: 115: Mormon Cinema
Feb 16, 2023
On this week’s episode we sit down with Brent Bokovoy, Writer and Director of the upcoming film “Ronald’s Little Factory”, and we discuss all the twists and turns in Mormon Cinema including your favorites, along with movies you have likely forgotten, as well as one’s you never heard of. We finish out the episode discussing the upcoming film “Ronald’s Little Factory”. Boyd K Packer would have been proud!
EARLY MORMON CINEMA * A Mormon Maid * A Victim Of The Mormons * Brigham Young LDS PRODUCED CINEMA * Johny Lingo * The Pump * Legacy * The Testaments MODERN MORMON CINEMA * Virginia * God’s Army * Brigham City * States of Grace * The Singles Ward * The RM * Baptists At The Barbecue * Sons Of Provo * The Home Teachers * Mobsters And Mormons * The Book of Mormon Movie * The Other Side of Heaven * The Best Two Years * Saints And Soldiers * Once I Was A Beehive POST MORMON CINEMA * Plan 10 From Outer Space * Orgazmo * South Park Episode * The Book Of Mormon Musical * Latter Days * Trapped By The Mormons * Big Love * Angels In America * September Dawn * The Book Of Zombie * Electrick Children * The Falls * Missionary * Room 104 SHORT FILMS * Bad Mormons * Killer Missionaries * The Touch Of The Master’s Hand DOCUMENTARIES * 8 The Mormon Proposition * Believer * Tabloid RECENT * Murder Among The Mormons * Keep Sweet And Obey * Under The Banner Of Heaven * Sins of Our Mother * Mormon No More * Abducted In Plain Sight * A Friend of the Family
Jenn Kamp And John Dehlin At 8-30-2022 OSF Board Meeting
Feb 09, 2023
Mormonism LIVE: 114: The Derek Cordon Homicide Investigation
Feb 09, 2023
RFM and Bill review the recent set of Documents and other items sent by Florida Law Enforcement in RFM as part of a Freedom of Information Request. It is best to watch this on YouTube where the documents can be observed.
***TRIGGER WARNING***This episode will contain details of an alleged Homicide of a child. Please skip this episode if needed and please keep kids away from this episode.
Radio Free Mormon: 266: John Dehlin Files Countersuit Against Jenn Kamp
Feb 08, 2023
Former Open Stories Foundation employee Jenn Kamp has gone public recently about the lawsuit she has filed against John Dehlin and the OSF.
Now John Dehlin and OSF have filed a countersuit against Jenn Kamp.
Mormonism LIVE: 113: What Ever Happened To The Great Apostasy?
Feb 02, 2023
The Salt Lake Tribune recently published a book review on the book “Ancient Christians: An Introduction for Latter-day Saints” published by the Maxwell Institute. Both the book and the Tribune article make note that what Latter-day Saints believed about early Christianity and the Great Apostasy may not only “overly simplistic, if not (a) completely false narrative”. But where did Latter-day Saints get these beliefs? How did Mormonism define the Great Apostasy? And more importantly if we redefine the very reasons for what a Restoration is and why it was needed, might we be undercutting the restoration itself?
While The Church is reducing the Great Apostasy to only Priesthood and Keys – They clearly have attached Doctrine, Church organization and Offices, consistency of Saving Rituals as well as imposing that Christ set up an actual Church as key components of “The Great Apostasy” – Talks where some of those concepts are spoken Example 1Example 2Example 3
LDS Church Shifting to More Pageantry and Colorful Presentation to satisfy everyone (which in their manual they claim is a sign of the Great Apostasy) Example 1Example 2Example 3
The Modern Church creating a narrative of an ongoing restoration and that such has only begun to obfuscate that they are moving and shifting in every way they had previously labeled in the early Church as signs of Apostasy (Please note how is one to discern that all shifts and changes ithin the modern Church are “Auhtorized” and all shifts and changes in the Ancient Church are “Unauthorized”
1.) Distorting the and changing the Church organization and offices (Modern Church has changed the calling of Seventies, disbanded the General Patriarch, and created and then laterdisbanded the High Priests Group
2.) Silence between the Heavens and the Earth
3.) Vast numbers who had professed membership and many who had been officers in the ministry deserted the church; while a few were stimulated to greater zeal under the scourge of persecution.
4.) Internal dissension, schism and disruption, whereby an absolute apostasy of the Church from the way and word of God was brought about”
5.) The corrupting (Changing) of the simple doctrines of the gospel of Christ by admixture with so-called philosophic systems. (Corrupting is subjective)
6.) Unauthorized (Subjective) additions to the prescribed rites and rituals of the church and the introduction of vital alterations in essential ordinances.
7.) Unauthorized (Subjective) changes in church organization and government
8.) “If the savior had come back to earth at the beginning of the fifth century A.D., i doubt whether he would have recognized the Christian church as the one that claimed descent from that which he had established, so far had it gone astray.” VERSUS ” If Joseph Smith came back to earth today, i doubt whether he would have recognized the LDS Church as the one that claimed descent from that which he had established, so far had it gone astray.”
9.) The power of godliness was no longer present in the Christian church. (Is that power recognizable within the LDS Church ?)
10.) The laws were changed (Notice all the laws that have changed in the LDS Church EXAMPLES: The doing away of “Free Agency” and D&C say a Disciplinary Court requires 12 high priests but the Modern Church says not necessary)
11.) The ordinances were changed (Notice the changes to the Endowment)
12.) The everlasting covenant was broken that the lord Jesus Christ gave to his people in those days. (Notice what happened to the New and Everlasting Covenant within Mormonism AKA Polygamy)
13.) The superimposing of a man-made structure upon and over the divine program.
14.) Many men with no pretense nor claim to revelation, speaking without divine authority or revelation, depending only upon their own brilliant minds, but representing as they claim the congregations of the Christians.
15.) In long conference and erudite councils, sought the creation process to make a God which all could accept.
16.) The brilliant minds with their philosophies, knowing much about the Christian traditions and the pagan philosophies, would combine all elements to please everybody.
17.) They replaced the simple ways and program of the Christ with spectacular rituals, colorful display, impressive pageantry, and limitless pomposity, and called it Christianity.
18.) They had replaced the glorious, divine plan of exaltation of Christ with an elaborate, colorful, man-made system. they seemed to have little idea of totally dethroning the Christ, nor terminating the life of God, as in our own day, but they put together an incomprehensible God idea”
It also should be noted that the LDS Church imposes that Christ organized his Church, and set forth the offices of the Church and that whenever the Gospel has been on the Earth it has been taught and administered by the Church. Also note that even believing Faithful Scholars within the Church indicate that Jesus and his disciples remained Jews within the Jewish faith and synagogue.
Radio Free Mormon: 265: Sherlock Holmes v. Joseph Smith
Jan 28, 2023
A new apologetic technique has arisen in recent years of trying to prove the Book of Mormon true by proving all naturalistic theories false.
RFM analyzes this methodology and shows it to be fundamentally flawed in a number of ways.
Brian Hales, the current proponent of this apologetic, isn’t going to like this episode!
Mormonism LIVE: 112: Tithing – What’s In A Word
Jan 26, 2023
Recently Bill did a solo episode away from Mormonism LIVE walking members into the historical analysis of the initial Doctrine of tithing as 10% of one’s Surplus or Interest to help believers sense they had an option backed by historical documentation that allowed them to save themselves Thousands of Dollars a year while remaining faithful. After that episode a listener sent Bill and RFM an image of a vintage Church Handbook of Instruction that got their wheels turning and this week’s episode seeks to to delve into a historical analysis of how Surplus or Interest became Gross. And YES, You will be disgusted.
The Introduction of Tithing to the Saints and “What is in a word”
D&C 119 VS 1-4 (Given in 1838) – This law was imposed by God as a “Standing Law Forever” and came after the Law of Consecration had failed. Strange that Heavenly Father seems unable to see that this “Standing Law Forever” was about to be anything but consistent and eternal.
Verse 1 – Verily, thus saith the Lord, I require all their surplus property to be put into the hands
It seems the original commandment required ALL Surplus property be given to the Church upon entry into the faith.
Verse 4 – Intimates that once one has entered the faith giving all their surplus property, they there after “shall pay one-tenth of all their interest annually”
“What is above and beyond after the necessities are taken care of”
“that which remains when use is satisfied”
What does all this mean
The law of tithing when taken on face value without any manipulation of the words seems to mean “When one enters the Church they are to hand over all Surplus property (any property above and beyond what is a necessity of life), and to then pay 1/10th of their “interest” or “surplus advantage” annually
It also says that this shall be a standing law forever hence meaning it is DOCTRINE and can’t be changed (Without additional revelation).
“Settled; established, either by law or by custom, etc.; continually existing; permanent; not temporary”
Since it is the Church who is about to muddy the waters the question is being begged if “Interest” means something other than how the word is literally why wasn’t God more clear?
Examples of how it was interpreted in early Church history
Original – “And blessed be the most high God, which hath delivered thine enemies into thy hand. And he gave him tithes of all.”
Joseph Smith’s Adaptation – “Wherefore, Abram paid unto him tithes of all that he had, of all the riches which he possessed, which God had given him more than that which he had need.”
Joseph seems to be modifying this narrative about Melchizedek so as to have it conform with D&C 119’s reasonable interpretation of tithing as 1/10 of surplus. What he adds should be assumed to be altering the meaning otherwise why adapt it at all.
Bishop Partridge, the first Bishop in the Church is instructing Newel K Whitney (I believe the second bishop in the Church) on the definition of tithing and his responsibility to collect it
Bishop Partridge seems to be interpreting tithing literally based on the verse “shall pay one-tenth of all their interest (increase) annually” and is suggesting that one pay 10% of the interest earned on one’s net worth invested at 6%
Lastly Steven Harper seems to agree when he says “Bishop Partridge understood “one tenth of all their interest” annually to mean 10 percent of what Saints would earn in interest if they invested their net worth for a year”
Millennial Star 1847 (Orson Hyde Editor) – “The celestial law requires one-tenth part of all a man’s substance which he possesses at the time he comes into the church (See D&C 119:1), and one-tenth part of his annual increase ever after(See D&C 119:4). IF IT REQUIRES ALL MAN CAN EARN TO SUPPORT HIMSELF AND HIS FAMILY, HE IS NOT TITHED AT ALL. The celestial law does not take the mother’s and children’s bread, neither ought else which they really need for their comfort. The poor that have not of this world’s good to spare, but serve and honor God according to the best of their abilities in every other way, shall have a celestial crown in the Eternal Kingdom of our Father.” – quotes comes post end of consecration and after law of tithing is revealed
This seems to deeply agree with the very interpretations we laid out by simply being reasonable with the definitions of words a.) It seems to disagree with paying tithing before feeding your family b.) It seems to disagree with paying tithing gets you out of poverty c.) It seems to disagree with paying the tithing of the income you want to have d.) It seems to disagree with Net Blessings or Gross Blessings
““I pray that every man, woman, and child [who has means] shall pay one tenth of their income as tithing.”
When net or gross are used everyone has means with almost no exception.
Lorenzo Snow’s words mesh extremely well with that 1847 Millennial Star section.
Though we see for the First Time Income is substituted for Interest. This seems to be the place where later statements define interest as income. This is apparently the place where later leaders claim “interest” to understood as income.
The Modern Church while using the Income for Interest Substitution always withholds “Who has means” every time Snow is requoted in Church Materials, seemingly to deceive members from making a decision based on the full quote. (Ballard hiding Things Audio Bite). This is dishonest, gaslighting, manipulation, and once one grasps the pressure local leaders feel to impose 10% of gross it is also coercion. You can’t have one without the other. It’s where they get their “understanding”
The Doctrine of Tithing as it was interpreted by Various Church Handbooks of Instruction (And the Official Letter in 1970) 1913 Handbook
1963 handbook THIS 1963 HANDBOOK IS WHEN TITHING IS EXPLICITLY DEFINED AS ON GROSS INCOME. ONLY TO BE TAKEN BACK OUT THE FOLLOWING HANDBOOK.
1968 handbook a. Notice the apparent pushback or reconsideration and hence retreat away from being explicit about gross. This is a partial wondering about any legal liability due to their being explicit and contradicting past definitions
“We feel that every member of the Church should be ENTITLED TO MAKE HIS OWN DECISION as to what he thinks he owes the Lord, and to make payment accordingly.” – this is Bullshit.
THE 1899 CONFERENCE TALK BY SNOW SEEMS TO BE THE PLACE THEY PULL FROM TO REDEFINE INTEREST AS INCOME
Knowing what these words mean, knowing how they were interpreted, knowing how they were implemented and carried out imposes that Church members grasp this all meant Interest literally. It meant surplus literally. It meant Increase literally….. And then suddenly somewhere, somehow all of these words are changed to mean “Income” out of thin air.
RFM–IT IS NOTEWORTHY THAT THE CHANGE FROM “INTEREST” TO “INCOME” WAS DONE BY LORENZO SNOW IN THE CONTEXT OF RAISING MORE MONEY TO GET THE CHURCH OUT OF DEBT. PERHAPS THIS WAS THE REASON FOR THE CHANGE; IN ORDER TO RAISE MORE MONEY.
And until an official voice (Church leader or LDS Newsroom) can explain to the Church membership where Surplus or interest earned became Gross or even Net “Income” every Church member should refuse to play by rules that have been made up in order to create the wealthy Church we have today. Why the bait and switch in meaning from Interest meaning surplus to Interest meaning Gross or Net Income?, why the bait and switch in word substitution and vocabulary going from the word Interest to the word income? Why the obfuscation of “Who Has Means”, and why not actually follow the very rule they pretend exists and allow “every member of the Church should be ENTITLED TO MAKE HIS OWN DECISION as to what he thinks he owes the Lord, and to make payment accordingly.”? We feel that every member of the Church should be ENTITLED TO MAKE HIS OWN DECISION as to what he thinks he owes the Lord, and to make payment accordingly.” – Again bullshit
Radio Free Mormon: 264: The Unreasonable Elder Bednar, Part 2
Jan 22, 2023
Radio Free Mormon and his faithful sidekick, The Backyard Professor, complete their dismemberment of Elder Bednar’s recent two-part talk titled, “That Ye May Believe.”
Nothing about Elder Bednar has ever been this much fun!
Mormonism LIVE: 111: Joseph Smith’s Secret Education – The Dartmouth Connection
Jan 19, 2023
The running narrative within Mormonism is that Joseph Smith was an uneducated backwoods farm boy and that his lack of sophistication leaves the the Restoration as a miracle that no country bumpkin could have pulled off. But what happens when, with critical thinking skills, we take a look at the the Education he did have or had potential access to. Was Joseph Smith uneducated? Was he a middle school dropout as a surface level reading intimates? And what do we see when we look at the education of those around Joseph Smith and specifically within his family? CORRECTIONS[ There were two errors in the video presentation for this episode. #1 Randall Bell conflated incorrectly that Joseph’s uncle, John Smith (July 16, 1781 – May 23, 1854) was same John Smith (December 21, 1752 – April 30, 1809) who played a prominent role in the early history of Dartmouth. #2 The letter put up on the screen of Joseph Smith to Oliver Cowdrey, is in the handwriting of Frederick G Williams.]
Radio Free Mormon: 263: Letter from Birmingham Jail
Jan 16, 2023
In honor of Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, I wanted to revisit the letter he wrote April 16, 1963 while imprisoned in the city jail of Birmingham, Alabama, as a result of the nonviolent actions Dr. King spearheaded to bring national attention to the injustices of the segregationist South.
Not only is this letter a masterpiece of the human longing for freedom, it also forms a central pillar in my personal growth since the time I read it forty years ago in college. I share that story, as well.
Mormonism LIVE: 110: Francis Gladden Bishop – Succession Crisis, Orgies, & Sacred Relics
Jan 12, 2023
Bill & RFM take a look at the Life of Francis Gladden Bishop, another Latter-day Saint who claimed to be the rightful heir to Joseph Smith after the martyrdom as part of the Mormon Succession Crisis. RESOURCES:
Radio Free Mormon: 262: Mormonism and the Rules of Evidence, Part 3
Jan 08, 2023
RFM is joined once again by fellow attorney Kolby Reddish for the concluding installment of their investigation of how Mormonism fares when compared with the rules governing admissibility of evidence in a court of law.
This is one you don’t want to miss!
Mormonism LIVE: 109: The LDS “Mormon” Church’s Teachings on Sex
Jan 05, 2023
Bill and RFM take a deep look at how sex and sexuality were presented within the LDS Church over the last 200 years. What was taboo and sin and to what degree did Leaders impose what could and could not go on the Bedroom.
Doctrine is taught by all 15 members of the First Presidency and Q of the 12.
I would challenge believers to show me where I can find any teaching that has been held up and taught by all 15 of the top leadership.
That list would be so small that there should be no barrier to listing them because if 14 men taught it and one didn’t by this standard it is not Doctrine (Remember God is not a God of Confusion)
So I am left to assume Neil meant that so long as it is taught generally among the Leaders?
Was this teaching in its day taught generally among the leaders? YES
It is not hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk.
Was this hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk? NO
It (That Virtue and chastity can be taken from you by an abusive act committed against you and that one is better off dead than having lost their virtue) was taught
By President, Prophet, seer and Revelator David O McKay
By President, Prophet, seer and Revelator Heber J Grant
Marion G Romney Counselor in the First Presidency (Prophet Seer and Revelator)
By President, Prophet, seer, and Revelator Spencer W Kimball
By Apostle Mark E Petersen (Prophet Seer and Revelator)
In the past correlated curriculum in Gospel Principles
In the Book of Mormon one of the standard works
This is the very reason for which old white men claiming to be moral authorities simply aren’t. Because not only do they collectively struggle to grasp what healthy morality is and seem to collectively follow each other down the path of perpetuating abusive and unhealthy ideas, but because they also can’t define doctrine in any way that is actually useful to the Church.
ORAL SEX AS AN UNHOLY AND UNNATURAL ACT
A.) Unholy & Unnatural Act
THE OLD DEFINITION OF CHASTITY (Old Handbook 21.4.5 Chastity and Fidelity) “The Lord’s law of chastity is abstinence from sexual relations outside of lawful marriage and fidelity within marriage. Sexual relations are proper only between a man and a woman who are legally and lawfully wedded as husband and wife. Adultery, fornication, homosexual or lesbian relations, and every other unholy, unnatural, or impure practice are sinful. Members who violate the Lord’s law of chastity or who influence others to do so are subject to Church discipline.”
THE NEW DEFINITION OF CHASTITY – The Lord’s law of chastity is: Abstinence from sexual relations outside of a legal marriage between a man and a woman. Fidelity within marriage.
BIRTH CONTROL (I want to be extremely brief here. I am going to present these quotes in passing)
A.) PAST TEACHINGS
. . . there is a certain class of Latter-day Saints that have come to think as the gentile world does—that it is not stylish, not nice to have large families; and therefore we find, much to our sorrow, that in some instances steps are being taken “to prevent these spirits being tabernacled by them. .. . Apostle Abraham O. Woodruff, 1900
Speaking about Birth Control and Abortion Joseph F Smith said “Possibly no greater sin could be committed by the people who have embraced this Gospel than to prevent or to destroy life in the manner indicated.”
The Church statistical report for 1901 (possibly the earliest reporting a Church birth rate). “There is something wrong,” reported the Juvenile Instructor, “either with ourselves or with our statistics—possibly with both; but we trust it is with the statistics, as that is the lesser evil.” Not only had the marriage rate declined, but “our average birth rate, if we can believe our statistical reports, is far too low. It is below that of the nations of modern Christendom to whose birth rate we have been able to obtain access. Ours, as reported, is a little over thirty-five per annum in each thousand souls.”54 The reaction to this discovery was predictable. A charge was given to review the statistics and to keep more accurate records, and markedly increased attention was given in Church discourses and publications to the obligation to have large families. Throughout the remainder of the decade, the Saints were enjoined to “be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth,” and to abandon the “tendency to postpone the responsibilities [of marriage] until middle life.” Bachelorhood and “wilfully motherless wives” came under particular attack, while the mothers of large families were singled out for special recognition.The mothers of Zion (or the statisticians) responded to the call. Within a decade, the Church could announce a birthrate of 38 per thousand, up ten percent. Although not as high as desired, there was still room for considerable pride that this was “the highest birth-rate in the world, as far as available statistics show.”56 (By comparison, the national rate was nearly ten per thousand lower. At these rates, a representative Mormon mother would average nearly five children, while her non-Mormon counterpart would be closer to 31/2.
Joseph Fielding Smith – “. . . those who attempt to pervert the ways of the Lord, and to prevent their offspring from coming into the world . . . are guilty of one of the most heinous crimes in the category. There is no promise of eternal salvation and exaltation for such as they. . . “
Joseph F Smith “. . . I regret, I think it is a crying evil, that there should exist a sentiment or a feeling among any members of the Church to curtail the birth of their children. I think that is a crime whenever it occurs, where husband and wife are in possession of health and vigor and are free from impurities that would be entailed upon their posterity. I believe that where people undertake to curtail or prevent the birth of their children that they are going to reap disappointment by and by. I have no hesitancy in saying that I believe this is one of the greatest crimes in the world today, this evil practice. . . .”
David O McKay – “The viewpoint of the Church,” he wrote on another occasion, “.. . is that the use of artificial preventatives is strictly out of line, as long as the health of the wife is not seriously impaired by childbearing.”
1976 Handbook of Instruction (as one who is aware that the old handbooks exist out there on the internet, I am confident that Birth Control was not discussed in the handbook earlier and the position was softened in later editions)(Spencer Kimball President) – https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/12/BirthControl1976.png (Close Up)
Bruce R McConkie – Mormon Doctrine – “”Those who practice birth control—the regulation of births in a family by the employment of artificial means or contraceptives to prevent conception—are running counter to the foreordained plan of the Almighty. They are in rebellion against God and are guilty of gross wickedness.”
Give the Church a compliment here. Express that on this issue they have been moderately healthy and outside of some really early quotes and the 1976 Handbook anomaly they have been moderate and credit should be given to Bruce R McConkie and Mormon Doctrine for the proliferation of the unhealthy view that associated Birth Control with wickedness and somewhat unredeemable forgiveness
“Let this Church which is called the kingdom of God on the earth; we will summons the first presidency, the twelve, the high counsel, the Bishoprick, and all the elders of Israel, suppose we summons them to appear here, and here declare that it is right to mingle our seed, with the black race of Cain, that they shall come in with with us and be partakers with us of all the blessings God has given to us. On that very day, and hour we should do so, the priesthood is taken from this Church and kingdom and God leaves us to our fate. The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain the Church must go to destruction,–we should receive the curse which has been placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with the children of Adam who are heirs to the priesthood until that curse be removed.” – Is this a false Prophesy or Was the Priesthood taken from the Church?
In light of “Today, the Church disavows the theories advanced in the past that black skin is a sign of divine disfavor or curse, or that it reflects unrighteous actions in a premortal life; that mixed-race marriages are a sin; or that blacks or people of any other race or ethnicity are inferior in any way to anyone else. Church leaders today unequivocally condemn all racism, past and present, in any form.” https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/race-and-the-priesthood?lang=eng
“If they [the couple and child] were far away from the Gentiles [non-Mormons] they wo[ul]d all have to be killed[.] [W]hen they mingle seed it is death to all. If a black man & white woman come to you & demand baptism can you deny them? [T]he law is their seed shall not be amalg[a]mated. Mulattoes are like mules[,] they can’t have the children, but if they will be Eunuchs for the Kingdom of God’s Heaven’s sake they may have a place in the Temple.”
“In the priesthood I will tell you what it will do. Where the children of God to mingle there seed with the seed of Cain it would not only bring the curse of being deprived of the power of the priesthood upon themselves but the entail it upon their children after them, and they cannot get rid of it. If a man in an unguarded moment should commit such a transgression, if he would walk up and say cut off my head, and kill man woman and child it would do a great deal towards atoneing for the sin. Would this be to curse them? no it would be a blessing to them. -it would do them good that they might be saved with their Bren. A man would shuder should they here us take about killing folk, but it is one of the greatest blessings to some to kill them, allthough the true principles of it are not understood.”
B.) People were punished for inter-racial marriage up to the 1960’s
Under Wilford Woordruff – “In the late 1800s at least two white members were denied church ordinances after they had married a black person. In 1895, a white woman was denied a temple sealing to her white husband because she had previously married a black man, even though she had divorced him.[60]: 78–79 First Presidency member George Q. Cannon argued that allowing her access to the temple would not be fair to her two daughters, whom she’d had with her former husband.[61]: 78 [60]: 37 [62] Another white man was denied the priesthood in 1897 because he had married a black woman, though, then senior apostle Lorenzo Snow stated that the man would be eligible if he divorced his wife and married a white woman.[60]: 79, 83 Additionally, Cannon recorded in his journal having stated in 1881 that when it came to the important question of interracial marriage, Mormons believed against “intermarriage with inferior races, particularly the negro.”
[1966], President McKay addressed a similar issue regarding a woman who had been to the temple and subsequently married a black man. The woman was told by her local Church leader ‘that no further Temple visits would be allowed her, and that[,] because of her marriage to a Negro[,] her Temple endowments are ineffective.’ McKay overruled the invalidation of her endowments but did prevent her from visiting the temple again. – DOCUMENTATION 1 & DOCUMENTATION 2
C.) Inter-racial Marriage still recommended against
Lesson 31 (Aaronic Priesthood Manual) – Choosing an Eternal Companion – “We recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question” (“Marriage and Divorce,” in 1976 Devotional Speeches of the Year [Provo: Brigham Young University Press, 1977], p. 144).”
ETERNAL MARRIAGE STUDENT MANUAL PDF Page 180 but strangely removed from Page 199 where the quote is only partially repeated “We are grateful that this one survey reveals that about 90 percent of the temple marriages hold fast. Because of this, we recommend that people marry those who are of the same racial background generally, and of somewhat the same economic and social and educational background (some of those are not an absolute necessity, but preferred), and above all, the same religious background, without question.”
“First counselor George A. Smith tells the Salt Lake School of the Prophets about “the evil of Masturbation” / (September) Branch presidents at the Missionary Training Center receive a 21-point handout to help “both male and female” missionaries avoid masturbation. Point 19: “In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.” In a May 1995 article about masturbation, the national magazine ‘Details’ publishes seventeen of these recommendations and identifies Apostle Mark E. Petersen as the suthor of ‘Steps in Overcoming Masturbation: A Guide To Self-Control.’ In 1996, a spokesman at LDS headquarters denies that Elder Petersen authored this document and denies it was ever officially distributed.”
First I just have to say, any youth given this talk to curb their “self abuse” of their “little factory” was almost assuredly thinking more often about masturbation after reading this and inevitably touching themself more not less.
#13 – Arise immediately in the mornings. Do not lie in bed awake, no matter what time of day it is. Get up and do something. Start each day with an enthusiastic activity.Keep your bladder empty. Refrain from drinking large amounts of fluids before retiring.Reduce the amount of spices and condiments in your food. Eat as lightly as possible at night. Wear pajamas that are difficult to open, yet loose and not binding. Avoid people, situations, pictures or reading materials that might create sexual excitement. It is sometimes helpful to have a physical object to use in overcoming this problem. A Book of Mormon, firmly held in hand, even in bed at night has proven helpful in extreme cases. In very severe cases it may be necessary to tie a hand to the bed frame with a tie in order that the habit of masturbating in a semi-sleep condition can be broken. This can also be accomplished by wearing several layers of clothing which would be difficult to remove while half asleep.
D.) Stance has softened in recent years AND I EXPECT SUCH TO CONTINUE
“It is important for parents to find a balance between helping children understand the why behind God’s commandment that sexual behavior occur within a marriage relationship, while also not reacting with disgust or anger when children engage in self-touching or youth admit to masturbating.”
Most recent Handbook says Masturbation not grounds for formal discipline
TEACHINGS ON SEX GENERALLY
A.) President Joseph F. Smith stated – [T]he Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has formulated no special rules governing the associations of married people. . . . [A]s to their mutual conduct in the marital relation, so far as sexual intercourse is concerned, they are left entirely free. – Joseph F. Smith To Frank S. Bellings, FEB. 17, 1905.
B.) President Joseph Fielding Smith stated when asked a similar question by an anonymous female member “The Brethren feel that the question which you raise is such as should be answered by you and your husband and in accordance with your own convictions. The Church has never believed it necessary to issue instructions pertaining to intimate relations between husband and wife.” – Joseph Anderson – Secretary to the 1st Presidency to L.A. Mar 23 1971
C.) Others Statements- “[S]exual relations within marriage are divinely approved not only for the purpose of procreation, but also as a means of expressing love and strengthening emotional and spiritual bonds between husband and wife.”
D.) “Physical intimacy between husband and wife is beautiful and sacred. It is ordained of God for the creation of children and for the expression of love within marriage.”
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RFM ADDITION–I THINK THE CHURCH’S OBSESSION (DARE I CALL IT THAT?) WITH VIRTUE AND CHASTITY HAS LED TO THE STRANGE SITUATION OF THE CHURCH USING GREAT WORKS OF ART TO ILLUSTRATE CHRISTIAN-RELATED THEMES, BUT MODIFYING THEM TO MAKE THEM ACCEPTABLE TO THE STRICT RULES OF THE LAW OF CHASTITY.
Mormonism LIVE: 108: Is The Book of Mormon Unique?
Dec 29, 2022
RFM and Bill take a deeper look at the “Book of Mormon” and compare what we know about it with what we know about other books to see if it is as un unique as believers claim it to be and we even get Mormon Scholar, Brian Hales opinion on the matter.
Here are the connections between Smith’s “Translation” of the Book of Mormon and the data behind automatic writing.
1.) Some of the Authors within “Automatic Writing” seemed to have a serious lack of education
2.) Their writings contained details that indicated antiquity that the author couldn’t of known ( [O]ne time while he [Joseph] was translating he stopped suddenly, pale as a sheet, and said, ‘Emma, did Jerusalem have walls around it?’ When I answered ‘Yes,’ he replied ‘Oh! I was afraid I had been deceived.’ He had such limited knowledge of history at that time that he did not even know that Jerusalem was surrounded by walls.”)
3.) Able to discern things about the foreign lands and times that had a degree of accuracy to them.
4.) many “Automatic Writing” examples contained significantly less anachronisms than the book of Mormon
5.) “Automatic Writing” authors used a peep stone or crystal
6.) “Automatic Writing” authors moved away from a peep stone which they needed at first to being able to translate without one.
7.) Many of the significant “Automatic Writing” productions were Christian themed
8.) Some contained the voice of Christ
9.) Many were done by dictation
10.) At Least one stated its purpose was to answer three big questions “Where did we come from”, “Why are we here”, and “Where are we going”?
11.) Many of these productions were significantly longer than the “Book of Mormon”.
12.) many proposed to claim they were being given by voices of ancient people from antiquity
13.) several “Automatic Writing” authors were able to stop and take breaks and pick up exactly where they left off without being reminded where they were. ( According to Emma, when she and Joseph were interrupted during his translating, Joseph would later resume on the very sentence from which he had left off )
14.) numerous others found the “”Automatic Writing” to be believable
15.) numerous people found the “automatic writing” productions to be of a high quality of writing. For example Jane Eyre is believed to have been written this way.
16.) numerous others found some of the “”Automatic Writing” productions to be inspiring and worth basing one’s lived spirituality on.
17.) some of the “”Automatic Writing” productions were written to a world audience with revealed knowledge important to Salvation
18.) some of the “”Automatic Writing” productions seemed to pass the tests of appearing to be from antiquity and contained little to no contemporary material. (compare to the amount of 19th Century material in the Book of Mormon).
19.) much of the “Automatic Writing” productions claim to be channeling a divine source. (Gift and Power of God)
20.) Many “Automatic Writing” productions seemed to be beyond the competency of the person performing the “Automatic Writing”.
21.) some “Automatic Writing” productions were not only done by dictation but also had many words spelled out specifically
22.) many “Automatic Writing” productions contained really deep gems that were thought provoking. Poems, and passages that seem inspiring generally.
23.) reading “Automatic Writing” productions caused awe and wonder in their readers. (they essentially felt the spirit reading them)
24.) many “Automatic Writing” productions get a ton of things onto paper quickly such as 5000 words in a single evening ( Starting on April 7th, 1829, Joseph Smith began translating the Book of Mormon. He completed his translation on July 1st of that year—just 90 days! That makes for an average of about 8 pages per day. )
Hence Joseph Smith as an “Automatic Writer” makes incredible sense and has significant overlap and suggests that the Translation of the Book of Mormon is both NOT Unique, and NOT even that good compared to other examples of “Automatic Writing” such as these * The Sorry Tale – https://archive.org/details/sorrytaleastory01currgoog/page/n6/mode/2up
Mormonism LIVE: 107: Sheri Dew You Know – A Not So Christmas Special
Dec 22, 2022
Sheri Dew recently gave a Devotional Talk titled “Prophets Can See Around Corners” at BYU Hawaii on Nov 1st 2022. Bill and RFM take a deep look into this talk to see if what sort of apologetic tricks and absurd claims Sheri Dew makes this time around. Make some hot chocolate, grab a slice of fruitcake, and sit down by the fire, because Reel and RFM are going to fill your stockings with some Christmas Tidings and Apologetic Fallacies and Yuletide Cheer.
Radio Free Mormon: 261: Jesus! Who’s Your Daddy?
Dec 17, 2022
Christians traditionally believe Jesus was the Son of David, or in other words, a literal descendant of King David.
But did the earliest Christians share this belief?
Join RFM as he takes a deep dive into the New Testament texts that surprisingly suggest the earliest Christians may have believed that Jesus was NOT descended from David!
New Testament textual criticism has never been this much fun!
Mormonism LIVE: 106: DezNat Exposed
Dec 15, 2022
This week we explore DezNat or a loosely connected group of folks who claim to be Deseret Nationals. We explore their violent rhetoric and their problematic ideology and we even have a former DezNat follower to help us add context to this story. #DezNat
Radio Free Mormon: 260: Mormonism and the Rules of Evidence, Part 2
Dec 11, 2022
RFM and fellow attorney Kolby Reddish continue their discussion of what Mormonism looks like when viewed through the Rules of Evidence applicable in courts of law!
Mormonism LIVE: 105: When Mormon Leaders Encourage Violence
Dec 08, 2022
Radio Free Mormon: 259: Mormonism and the Rules of Evidence
Dec 03, 2022
I am joined by fellow attorney Kolby Reddish to discuss the Rules of Evidence that apply in courts of law and see how the LDS Church would fare if compelled to abide by those same rules!
Spoiler Alert! It doesn’t end up well for the LDS Church!
Mormonism LIVE: 104: Captain Nemo VS The LDS Church
Dec 01, 2022
What happens when a Member of the LDS Church stands opposed in a sustaining vote of Church leaders, follows the process the Church has laid out around “common consent”, and shows conclusively that current LDS Prophets, Seers, and Revelators have lied to the members. Well, you are about to find out, because Nemo does just that.
Mormonism LIVE: 103: Thomas Murphy on the Third Convention
Nov 25, 2022
As a follow-up to episode 101 on the Third Convention, Thomas Murphy joins us to add clarity and context to all the ground we covered and to add details that make this story even more interesting.
Radio Free Mormon: 258: The Unreasonable Elder Bednar, Part 1
Nov 24, 2022
Elder David Bednar recently completed a landmark address in two parts, seeking to defend the LDS Church against its critics.
RFM is joined by the Backyard Professor in breaking down the first part of Elder Bednar’s talk titled, “That Ye May Believe.”
After deconstructing Elder Bednar’s talk, a better title might be, “That Ye May NOT Believe.”
Mormonism LIVE: 102: The Greatest Problem In The LDS Church
Nov 17, 2022
What is the greatest problem in the LDS Church? That question is at the heart of this week’s episode. Jim Bennett is our guest this week on Mormonism LIVE, as we explore this question and some of the territory surrounding it.
Mormonism LIVE: 101: The Third Convention
Nov 16, 2022
Apostasy is something the LDS Church show serious concern over. And why shouldn’t they knowing James Strang, Lorin C. Wooley, Denver Snuffer, Julie Rowe all have led Splinter Factions of one sort or another that have had influence over segments of Latter-day Saints. The idea that a few voices or even a single voice can sway large groups of people into disaffection has the Brethren always on guard. But often the heart of the issue is the lack of listening on the part of the Leaders themselves who can in fact be their own worst enemy. We dive into one such story where LDS Leadership and those they call to preside often become their very own stumbling block as we discuss “The Third Convention”.
Rey Lucero Pratt
Born October 11 1878
PRATT’S PARENTS
Pratt was born in Salt Lake City, Utah Territory, the fourth child of Helaman Pratt and Emmeline Victoria Billingsley Pratt.
When Rey was nine, the Pratts moved to Mexico to help settle Colonia Dublán, a Mormon colony in the northern state of Chihuahua. His father was settling in Mexico to escape being prosecuted by the United States federal government for practicing polygamy (Note to the audience that Helaman is a polygamist and has more than one wife). Rey grew up in Mexico, learning to appreciate its history and people.
Somewhere along the way he and at least some of his siblings became mexican citizens
REY PRATT& ORSON F WHITNEY & Hyrum Harris
Apostle Orson F. Whitney set Pratt apart as a missionary on 4 October 1906. On 1 November, Pratt arrived by train in Mexico City and reported to the mission home. He served for nearly a year under mission president Hyrum S. Harris, during which time he presided over the Toluca conference for seven months. Then, on 25 August 1907, Harris announced that Pratt would replace him as president of the Mexican Mission. Pratt was set apart by Harris on 29 September and the Pratts moved to Mexico City shortly thereafter.
Pratt started as president of the Mexican mission in 1907. Church membership in Mexico more than doubled during Pratt’s first six years as mission president. By 1911, over a thousand church members lived in the Mexican Mission.
THE CRISTERO REBELLION
[ Cristero Rebellion, a peasant uprising from 1926 to 1929, pushed Mexico to the brink of political chaos. The Cristeros generally saw the conflict as a religious war against the anticlericalism of the Mexican government. This anticlericalism originated in northern Mexico, where North American-style entrepreneurs, Protestant converts, and ambitious politicians built a movement to transform their traditionally Catholic nation into a center of secular economic expansion. The movement’s leading proponent, Plutarco Elías Calles (president of Mexico, 1924–1928), placed rigid regulations on the church, including required registration of priests and the closing of church schools. The church responded with a strike—the cessation of religious services—which caused a panic among the faithful. In Jalisco and the surrounding states of central Mexico, this panic sparked a peasant rebellion. Government claims that the rebels were superstitious tools of scheming priests were largely propaganda. Only about 45 of the 3,600 priests in Mexico supported the rebellion. The Cristeros were indigenous and mestizo peasants whose motives for rebellion were mixed. Most acted to defend their faith against an expansive secular state, while others seized the opportunity to demand more extensive land reform] – https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/cristero-rebellion
The Cristero rebellion of 1926 had disrupted the religious atmosphere in Mexico for nine years and forced all foreign clergy out of Mexico. (The rebellion was instigated as a response to an executive decree by Mexican President Plutarco Elías Calles to strictly enforce Article 130 of the Constitution, a decision known as Calles Law. Calles sought to eliminate the power of the Catholic Church in Mexico, its affiliated organizations and to suppress popular religiosity.)
However, Mexico’s political climate gradually worsened. Porfirio Diaz, Mexico’s longtime dictator, lost control of the government and revolution ensued. Shortly after serious fighting began in Mexico City in 1913, the church’s First Presidency authorized the Pratts and the American missionaries to return to the United States. The Pratts moved to Salt Lake City in September 1913. Two years later, the First Presidency again instructed the Pratts to move, this time to Manassa, Colorado, and establish missionary work among Mexicans in the United States. After five years, in November 1918, church leaders moved the mission headquarters to El Paso, Texas, making it closer to the center of the vast mission territory. In March 1921, Pratt reopened missionary work in Mexico with eight missionaries. In November, jurisdiction of the Juárez Stake in Chihuahua was transferred to the Mexican Mission. This made Pratt president of all the church’s Spanish-speaking organizations. He continued to expand the mission, opening up work in southern California in 1924 and establishing a Los Angeles branch.
What this means for the Mormons is that their connection to Salt Lake is partially severed. The mexican Saints have no direct liaison to Salt Lake outside of mail and they must lead themselves inside the country. Rey Pratt the sort of local (As he had lived in Mexico off and on since he was 9 and had Mexican Citizenship) serving as the Mission President is the highest ranking leader they will have direct contact with for a almost a decade. And Rey seems to be well respected and manages keeping the Church there on track and growing.
LOCAL LEADERSHIP
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Rey L. Pratt was a much loved mission president. When Pratt was assigned in 1924 to help open the Church’s mission in Argentina, (next Slide 7) he appointed Isaias Juarez to preside over the central Mexican District, with Abel Paez and Bernabe Parra as his counselors. These three men maintained stability and confidence in the small branches in Mexico. The branches survived their isolation from Salt Lake City and some even flourished. But much of the Church members and leader’s stability depended on Rey Pratt’s guidance and direction.
Pratt was also responsible for creating a new translation of the Book of Mormon into Spanish; he also translated many of the hymns of the church into Spanish.
EY PRATT (Death)
Disaster struck on April 14, 1931 following an operation for an intestinal rupture (appendicitis) and Rey L. Pratt died in Salt Lake City.
Antoine Ridgeway Ivins
Antoine Ridgeway Ivins was appointed to replace Rey Pratt. Ivins showed no interest in his new appointment. For nearly a year he never paid a visit to Mexico nor did he communicate with the leaders or members there. The Mexican Saints get together (The first Convention) and request the Church do something about the lack of leadership they are getting from Salt Lake and wished for a native born leader. The fact that they received no support nor a response to their petition for a native born mission leader increased the chasm. (He wasn’t lazy, just didn’t prioritize the Mexican Saints)
Antoine Ivins and Melvin J Ballard
Finally in the spring of 1932, nearly a year after his appointment as Mexican mission president, Antoine R. Ivins traveled with Elder Melvin J. Ballard to Mexico to meet with the petitioning Mexican Mormons (I believe this trip was in response to what is now understood as the 2nd Convention).
IVINS AND JUAREZ
Ivins approached the situation aggressively. He reprimanded the members for their assertiveness in sending a petition to Salt Lake City. President Antoine Ivins returned to the United States and left them alone once again. A silent arrangement between President Ivins and President Isaias Juarez continued through the end of Ivins term in 1934.
Harold Wilcken Pratt
The Cristero rebellion of 1926 had disrupted the religious atmosphere in Mexico for nine years and forced all foreign clergy out of Mexico. The ensuing isolation of the Mexican Mormon leaders from Church headquarters in Salt Lake City resulted in an understandable independence among them. Twice during Ivins serving as Mission President, the Mexican Saints had petitioned Church Headquarters to call a Mexican Citizen as Mission President
Seeing they have a mess on their hands the Church releases Antoine Ivins in 1934 and calls Rey Pratt’s half brother Harold Wilcken Pratt as the new Mexican Mission President. While Pratt had lived stateside most of his life he was born in Mexico July 16th 1899 and had served a mission in Mexico 1921-1923. Besides that he is Rey Pratt’s half brother. With that mustache what could go wrong?
Harold Wilcken Pratt [son of Helaman Pratt and Bertha Wilcken Pratt] was called to preside over the Mexican mission on January 1934 as clergy had recently been re-admitted into Mexico by the Mexican government. He presided for two and a half years from El Paso while he simultaneously continued to serve as counselor in the Juarez Stake Presidency.]
Harold Pratt along with Abel Paez and Margarito Bautista (Valencia)
The Mexican Saints independence away from Salt Lake’s Church Leadership and having a defunct Mission President in Ivins who failed to connect the local Saints to SLC’s Church Leadership, along with strong feelings of nationalism and ethnic pride persuaded several local leaders in and around Mexico City, to organize. Soon after news of Harold W. Pratt’s appointment reached Mexico City, Abel Páez, first counselor in the Mexican district presidency, was at work. Spurred on by his uncle, Margarito Bautista (Valencia), he summoned the Saints to a crisis conference now called the Third Convention.
Isaias Juarez (District President) who was part of the first two Conventions is apprehensive about the preparations for this 3rd Convention
“Sensing his people’s mood, Isaias Juárez, president of the mission’s Mexican district, was alarmed by their preparations for the Third Convention. He could see the implications perhaps better than anyone, having struggled through nine years and many storms to lead the mission. Juárez had learned to read the pulse of the Mexican Saints accurately. He knew this would be no simple petition; quite a few Mexican Mormons were determined to settle for nothing less than a Mexican leader, however unusual even odd, such a demand was for Mormons, whose authorities are always appointed from above, never “selected” by the congregation. Juárez also sensed accurately the mood of the authorities in Salt Lake City, he knew there would be no Mexican mission president forthcoming. The church, he reasoned, would not succumb to pressure politics, and he foresaw an unfortunate and inevitable clash.”
Juarez comes up against Paez
Isaias Juarez siding with the Church tried to dissuade Abel Paez out of confronting the Brethren in Salt Lake. Juárez was no passive fence-sitter. Having taken a position against the Third Convention, he then tried to soothe and persuade the Mexican Saints. Finally he issued a circular letter explaining that the meeting was unauthorized and out of order and that those who participated in it would be considered rebellious and therefore run the risk of excommunication. He contacted Harold Pratt posthaste and tried to sensitize him to the impending trouble and its roots. He met repeatedly with Abel Paez, trying to dissuade him.
Paez waffling
Juarez at first convinced Paez to call of his confrontation with Salt Lake but Paez returned to his position after speaking to Margarito Bautista
The Third Convention
The Third Convention convened on 26 April 1936. An observer was sent to take notes for Presidents Juárez and Pratt who did not attend. The Conventionists quickly decided that the Salt Lake City leaders had misunderstood their previous requests. Even though Harold Pratt had come from the Mormon colonies and was a Mexican citizen, he was not one by blood and race and certainly not one culturally. The Saints’ new petition was intended to convey their desire for a president who was Mexican by blood and spirit (de raza y sangre). Reasoning that the church’s General Authorities might not be aware of qualified Mexican members, the Third Convention decided to nominate a candidate. They considered several men, including Narciso Sandoval and Margarito Bautista. In the end, however, the convention settled on Abel Páez. They did not intend to demand Páez’s appointment but rather to clearly inform the Salt Lake City authorities that qualified Mexicans were available. After making their main decision, the Conventionists strengthened their petition in two ways. 1st wanting their leaders to recognize their intense seriousness, they agreed to gather signatures for the petition. 2nd, the Conventionists authorized a commission composed of Abel Páez, Narciso Sandoval, and Enrique González to travel to Salt Lake City and personally present the petition and supporting documents to the Mormon church’s General Authorities. Its business concluded, the Third Convention then adjourned.”
Observer reports back
When the Observer reported back to Harold Pratt and Isaias Juarez that Paez had gone through with the convention and relayed the outcome, Isaias Juárez wept hearing that his counselor of many years had betrayed him. “Harold Pratt realized that the Mexican brethren would soon implement their decisions. Seeking to prevent that, Pratt immediately contacted Abel Páez. They set a meeting for 30 April, the Thursday following the convention.”
The Meeting
On the appointed day Abel Páez met with Pratt, Juárez, and Bernabé Parra, the second counselor in the district presidency. After a long discussion, the men agreed on four points: 1st, Páez would terminate the Third Convention’s activities, including the gathering of signatures for the petition. Moreover, Páez would thereafter take no unilateral action on any matter without the district presidency’s consent, a hallowed leadership practice within the Mormon faith. 2nd, to show their unity and harmony, the four leaders- Páez, Juárez, Parra, and Pratt, would together visit all the local branches. Third, each would send a separate report of the Third Convention to the First Presidency of the Church. Fourth, all would prepare to visit Salt Lake City soon to discuss the Mexicans’ feelings and desires with the General Authorities. The upcoming October general conference was set as a tentative date for the trip.
Bur Pratt and Juarez Broke their Agreement
Páez was to be disappointed. As the district presidency visited the various branches, Pratt and Juárez seemed to equivocate on their position. Pratt said that he alone would take the petition to Salt Lake City at conference time. Then, instead of assuring church members that Third Convention desires would be enacted through regular church channels, Juárez and Pratt made it increasingly clear that both the convention’s procedures and its goals were out of order. They suggested that Páez and his colleagues were wolves among the Lord’s sheep and warned all members against listening to them. Mainline Mexican Mormons, approximately two-thirds of the membership, had made their anti-Third-Convention opinions known to Juárez and Parra, and no doubt Pratt had received communications on the issue from Salt Lake City. In any case, Conventionists were incensed. They wondered how Páez could believe that Pratt would do anything but present the Third Convention’s case negatively.
With Pratt and Juarez having broke the agreement and called out Paez and others as being in apostasy, Paez had no choice but to feel tricked and betrayed. Also Harold Pratt seemed to lose what little trust he had left with a significant number of the Mexican Saints. Paez felt he had little choice but to move forward with the original Third Convention’s ruling
The Aftermath
Almost One Third of the Mexican Saints disaffect. Salt Lake in turn moved forward with Pratt as the Mission President and 2000 of the mexican saints remained with the mainline faith in spite of many of them sharing frustration with Pratt and the Church generally.
The Third Conventionists maintained belief in Salt Lake’s Leadership and continued at least early on practicing Mainline orthodox Mormonism. But simply waited on Salt Lake to meet their demands.
J Reuben Clark Letter
In November of 1936 the First Presidency formally responded. J. Reuben Clark, Jr.,a member of the First Presidency and former U.S. Ambassador to Mexico prepared a carefully written letter to be read in all the congregations. Within, Clark declared that the people who signed the convention’s petition were entirely out of order; that the mission president was not the representative of the members to the president of the church but of the president to the people, and that this representative should therefore be acquainted with all the church procedures in order to prevent disorder and disruption; that none of the church’s missions were presided over by any other than men from the bosom of the church; that if the president of the church ever felt so inspired he would appoint one of their number to preside over them; that Mexicans had an unusual number of their own people in responsible positions anyway; that the Mexicans were not exclusively (among Mormons) of the blood of Israel, and that both Mexicans and North American Mormons were from the same family (that of Joseph); that all of the Book of Mormon’s promises applied as well to one people as to another, and so on for fourteen typescript pages.
But this doesn’t seem to fix the issue
Salt Lake Tries Again though seemingly being tone deaf
The First Presidency themselves learned quite soon that the letter had solved nothing. No doubt somewhat exasperated by this time, the authorities decided to send Antoine R. Ivins to Mexico one more time to attempt a reconciliation. Although Ivins was considered the church’s frontline expert on Mexico, his previous trips there had been largely unsuccessful because, as he perceived, the Mexican Mormons did not respect his authority (And Because he was an absent Leader). So Apostle George F. Richards, one of the senior members of the Council of the Twelve Apostles, was appointed to accompany Ivins.
What Could Go Wrong?
Outcome of that Visit
Apostle George F Richards & Antoine R. Ivins never address the people and are put back on a train fearing they will be arrested by Mexican Officials.
LDS Leaders misunderstood the 3rd Convention as imposing Paez be called rather than showing there were several worthy Mexican Nationals who potentially could be called and hence had a tone of distrust and misunderstanding and magnified the situation.
The Church begin Disciplinary measures. On 6, 7, and 8 May 1937, courts were convened in San Pedro Mártir and the sentences handed down. Andres C. Gonzalez Jr. wrote that eight Conventionist leaders were excommunicated for rebellion (having worked against the mission authorities), insubordination (having completely disobeyed the orders of mission authorities), and apostasy (having failed to recognize the Mormon church’s authority).
A Serious divide ensued between those loyal to the mainline Church and the third Conventionists. Distrust and bad mouthing persisted and eventually deep separation between the two groups followed. Hence an apostasy of ⅓ of the Mexican Saints
What Happened to the Third Conventionists
They organized Sunday Schools, conducted sacrament meetings, established “Mutual Improvement Associations” (MIA, the church’s youth organization), and functioned very much like a normal Mormon congregation. Like the mainline church, they blessed infants, baptized children, and ordained men to the priesthood.
Conventionist men and women were sent out as missionaries to “preach the word” to all who would listen.
Constructed at least six new meetinghouses and, in accordance with Mormon custom, dedicated them to the Lord.
Produced some religious literature, for example; a magazine entitled El Sendero Lamanita (The Lamanite Path), which contained articles such as “How the Gospel Came to Mexico” and “The Blessed Gentiles about which the Scriptures Speak,” and reports of various convention conferences and activities
Efforts to bring them back into the fold
Finally the Church sees its hardline approach doesn’t work. And under George Albert Smith’s presidency the effort to love these saints and to show kindness and to interact with them in healthy ways begins to make headway
Arwell Pierce
Arwell Pierce was a month short of being sixty years old when he entered Mexico as mission president. Given his age, some wondered if he would be up to the task of holding the Church together in Mexico, a challenge that had taxed a series of mission presidents beyond their capabilities. Actually, Pierce’s age may have worked in his favor; the problems in Mexico called for someone with patience, wisdom, insight, and compassion—characteristics frequently associated with maturity and possessed in good measure by President Pierce.
Pierce’s assigned task was to bring Third Conventionists back to the fold. President David O. McKay had told him that “we don’t have a divided mission; we have a big family quarrel,” adding that “you are the Abraham Lincoln who must save this union.”
Arwell Pierce observed that their reasons for apostasy were certainly not doctrinal, and yet Conventionists were outside the community of the Church. Studying the situation, he wondered how brotherhood could have decayed so completely. During the five years since the schism, the issues had become clouded, remembrances diffused or altered, and passions changed. Slowly and painstakingly, he put all his diplomatic skills to the task. Realizing that feelings had been hurt, he set out to heal those wounds. Although the Conventionist’s initial response was antagonism,that soon changed—first to respect and later to admiration, in part because Pierce met every travail with kindness and understanding. Pierce began by attending Third Convention meetings and conferences. Slowly and carefully, he introduced himself and built friendships with Third Convention members and leaders. He even tried to assist the Convention in its own programs, inviting its members to the mission home to pass on information from Salt Lake City, giving advice when asked, and distributing recently translated Church literature. And he talked with Abel Páez and his wife, also Othón Espinoza, Apolonio Arzate, Julio García, and even Margarito Bautista, all of whom had been principal leaders in the Third Convention. Always ready to listen and to understand, he extended personal hospitality and acceptance unconditionally. After weighing all that he had heard, Pierce concluded that the Third Convention problem could have been handled better. Given the circumstances, he even thought that some of the Convention’s complaints were justified. Although having an ethnic Mexican mission president was the Third Conventionists’ primary concern, they also wanted a building program for chapels, access to Church literature, and an opportunity for their young people to go on missions—all privileges that members in the U.S. had. They also wanted an educational system for their children like the system that the Anglo members had established in northern Mexico. Pierce realized that he did not object to the Conventionists’ goals, although one could legitimately wonder how programs to achieve them could possibly have been funded in the 1930s. On the other hand, he saw how the Third Conventionists’ methods for achieving their goals had brought them trouble. Pierce did not approve of the Third Convention’s rebellion and withdrawal from the Church. Because of his willingness to listen, however, disagreeing people, for the first time in nearly a decade, were discussing the issues rather than shouting about them. In the meantime, the Conventionists had generally maintained doctrinal integrity, had done a lot of proselyting in central Mexico, and had promoted much interest in the Book of Mormon. Given all of these factors, reunification was possible and desirable. So Pierce listened, argued, lectured, sympathized, persuaded, and worked long hours. He often told them “the brethren are willing to give you everything you want, but not the way you want it.” The Conventionists recognized him as a friend, its leaders even asking him to speak in Convention conferences. He did so, carefully honoring their confidence in the initial stages by avoiding sensitive issues, speaking instead on “neutral” subjects such as prayer. The Third Conventionists began to visit mainline Church meetings, and Pierce characteristically asked them to sit near the front whereas in years past, when Conventionists had visited a mainline branch, the seats would empty of mainline members as quickly as the Conventionists sat down. Finally, Páez began to soften and warm up to Pierce and started to think with cautious enthusiasm about reunification.
They return to the fold
Eventually 1200 Third Conventionists returned under George Albert Smith’s Leadership in 1946
Several members of the Third Convention were temporarily excommunicated by the LDS Church during the period in which it was active, although most of these were changed to the lesser punishment of disfellowshipment by President George Albert Smith in 1946, signaling a compromise. Rapprochement continued with President Smith’s visit to Mexico that year, resulting in most Third Conventionists returning to the fellowship of the LDS Church.
One last loose end SIX NEW MEETING HOUSES?
Though scholars had believed the Third Convention movement had died out by the 1970s and ’80s, anthropologist Thomas W. Murphy located an active Third Conventionist community in Ozumba, Mexico in 1996. The group was situated in Colonia Industrial, founded in 1947 as the community of Margarito Bautista, a prominent Third Conventionist. As of 2011, there are 800 people living in Colonia Industrial, and all are members of a church officially named “El Reino de Dios en su Plenitud” (The Kingdom of God in its Fullness), though adherents preferred to call themselves “Mormons.” The group practiced plural marriage and communal principles of the law of consecration, and seemed to be moderately affluent. They were affiliated with the Apostolic United Brethren Mormon fundamentalist church, and saw Owen Allred as a prophet.
Another Third Conventionist group about 300 strong, also rediscovered by Murphy in 1997, exists in San Gabriel Ometotztla, Puebla. It is called La Iglesia de los Santos de la Plenitud de los Tiempos (The Church of Jesus Christ of the Saints of the Fullness of Times).
Radio Free Mormon: 257: RFM Co-Hosts Mormon News Roundup!
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RFM has a free-for-all with the gang at Mormon News Roundup! Keeping up with Mormonism in the news has never been so much fun!
Mormonism LIVE: 100: 100th Episode Super Show
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To celebrate our 100th episode, we invite all of you to join us as we take a look back at the past 99 episodes and share which have been most meaningful and which are our favorites and we will be taking calls from you our listeners and letting you share with us which ones meant the most to you!
Radio Free Mormon: 256: Invasion of the Miracle Snatchers!
Oct 29, 2022
Is it possible a prophet of God would steal someone else’s miracle story for themselves? Check out this podcast for a famous miracle story of Wilford Woodruff where he may have just done that very thing!
Mormonism LIVE: 099: The 1826 Trial of Joseph Smith The Glass Looker
Oct 27, 2022
On this week’s episode we take a deeper look at the 1826 trial in Bainbridge, NY. We examine what led to the trial, what witnesses claimed, what we know about the trial proceedings, how Smith and Stowell got introduced to each other, and a few other interesting facts along the way that make this such an interesting episode in Church history.
This outline was used in preparation for Mormonism LIVE: 099 : The 1826 Trial of Joseph Smith, The Glass Looker – https://youtu.be/A2JxyoOtNlM
On this week’s episode we take a deeper look at the 1826 trial in Bainbridge, NY. We examine what led to the trial, what witnesses claimed, what we know about the trial proceedings, how Smith and Stowell got introduced to each other, and a few other interesting facts along the way that make this such an interesting episode in Church history.
A.) SET THE STAGE
Spring of 1825, Joseph Smith is at Simpson (Simeon in some records) Stowell’s home in palmyra when Simpson’s father Josiah Stowell visits him and Joseph Smith uses his seer ability, presumably the stone in the hat and proceeds to amaze those in attendance with a couple of “Remote Viewing” performances such as describing Josiah’s house and outhouses correctly while all of them are at palmyra and Stowell’s property for which presumably Joseph Smith had never seen, is located in Bainbridge NY
Josiah Stowell, so amazed at the Prophet’s ability, hires him to both work the farm and to lead treasure digs near Stowell’s property in NY (SLIDE 1)
Joseph Smith is living on Stowell’s property for about half a year working the farm and doing these treasure digs but they are finding absolutely nothing and these digs are failing at every turn.
Members of Stowell’s family along with others in the community perceive that Stowell is being taken advantage of and on March 20th 1826 Joseph Smith is brought before the court on charges of being a “disorderly person and an imposter”
The trial is first printed in Fraser Magazine February 1873 Edition and then reprinted again in the Utah Christian Advocate January 1886 Edition (SLIDE 4 & 5) Frasers Magazine 12 July 1873
B.) Where does the author in Fraser’s Magazine locate this trial record?
In Bainbridge? Nope. From enemies? Nope. Rather from an old lady in Salt Lake City who kept records of Joseph Smith’s altercations with the Law. (SLIDE 6)
It gets worse though because the Utah Christian Advocate says this was taken directly from the record books of a bainbridge justice of the peace by a daughter or niece (suspicion since he doesn’t know) who tore the record out of the books and the author claims he verified. (SLIDE 6)
C.) Capt’n Kidd
W.D Purple is in 1877 in the Chenango Union is giving us info about these treasure Digging activities and implies that Stowell is looking for Capt’n Kidd’s treasure.
Notice the implication that Stowell knows the story of Capt’n Kidd – hence we should expect that Joseph is informed about said stories too. Not appropriate to start with the assumption he may not have known them. More rational to start with he did. (SLIDE 7)
According to J. H. Kennedy, Joseph “made confession” that the autobiography of Captain Kidd “made a deep impression upon him.” Kennedy does not say in what context Smith made this “confession.” Palmyra native Philetus B. Spear recalled in an 1873 interview that as a boy Joseph “had for a library a copy of the ‘Arabian Nights,’ stories of Captain Kidd, and a few novels.”89 Pomeroy Tucker also mentions Joseph’s youthful fascination with Captain Kidd, Stephen Burroughs the counterfeiter, and others, noting that such stories “presented the highest charms for his expanding mental perceptions.”90 Ellen E. Dickinson similarly wrote: It is said that Joseph at an early age could read, but not write; and when quite young committed these lines to memory from the story of Captain Kidd, the notorious pirate, which seemed to give him great pleasure: “My name was Robert Kidd, As I sailed, as I sailed; And most wickedly I did As I sailed, as I sailed.”91
D.) The Proceedings themselves
Living w/ Stowell (5 Months) most of the time and a small part of time out looking for mines. But mostly farm work and going to school
Some quotes indicate that Smith used treasure digging as a way to get out of farm work while still bringing in the needed income.
Had been employed to work at the farm part time
E.) Joseph Smith claims he is in Bainbridge “spending a small time looking for mines but mostly working for Stowell on the farming and “Going to School”
He is 20/21 during the time of these digs. What school would a frontier adult go to that he could be speaking of? College/university? Trade School?
F.) He mentions his seer stone and his seeing ability.
Work had slowed down because this line of work was bad for his eyes. They were sore
He was turning down most work
But with stowell he found some “oar” (ore) that looked like gold
But its not gold…. So why is such promising?
They would find a tail feather though not the buried treasure that was supposed to be with it. (Could the foretold item have been planted by Smith before or during the dig? Does this not best explain what is happening?)
He describes Stowell’s house and outhouse from Palmyra while staying at “Simpson Stowell’s” (Is this a relative of Josiah? Sources claim this is Josiah’s son) Could Stowell’s son have described Josiah’s property at an earlier time? Could Joseph have had enough info to make an educated guess? (This is how psychics work)
G.) Testimony of Others
Horace Stowell testified
Arad Stowell Testified
Pretends to read a book with his back turned to the book, with the book open lying upon a white cloth, while using the stone
This seems significant as if it points to a photographic memory and that as far as an outside observer could tell, he is doing the same sort of “translation work” as he did with the Book of Mormon
Rather than exclude all light he instead places his stone near a candle
Several seem disgusted as the fraud was so noticeable that they said it was palpable (almost a physical knowledge that he was a frauding them)
McMaster said Joseph claimed if he held his stone to the sun or candle (excluding light hurt his eyes so he declined to use the hat and instead choosing instead the Sun (or a candle)
Johnathon Thompson – Joseph told them where a trunk was buried and they dug 5’ and (someone or the group) heard the shovel hit what sounded like a plank or board.
“Two indians had buried the chest” – Lamanites. Joseph’s tales already have “Indians” involved. These indians fought and one killed the other and buried him in the hole “to Guard It”.
Isn’t Moroni a guardian Spirit of the same sort? (SLIDE 11 then back to 12) Below is a second hand report of how Joseph Smith Sr. described his son’s interaction with Moroni
He believes without seeing a chest that he certainly must of hit it (most rational explanation in his mind for the sound)
in spite of it sinking into the earth but as outsiders can we see how irrational that perspective is. That a sound can provide one a conclusion in spite of needing magic in order to not see what should have been there and visible?
The trunk stayed at distance, just out of reach to touch or to be seen.
Isn’t that convenient
“Salt might be found in bainbridge”
Stolen items, ancient treasures, salt deposits
Thompson believes JS can discern with his stone and hat
“Witness lost some money and Joseph was able to describe the man Witness thought had taken it.”
H.) Court Costs
The costs themselves
Court Charges: (Is this all in cents?)
Court found defendant guilty
Cost warrant – 19 cents
Complaint upon Oath – 25.7
Witnesses – 87.5
Recognizince – 25
Mitimus – 19
Recognizince for Witness – 75
Subpoena – 18
TOTAL? $2.68 (verified by the docket commentary on such in next section)
IF THIS PROCEEDING IS TRUE, LDS APOLOGISTS STATE IT WOULD BE THE MOST DAMNING EVIDENCE AGAINST MORMONISM
The Mormon writer Francis W. Kirkham just could not allow himself to believe that the 1826 court record was authentic. He, in fact, felt that if the transcript were authentic it would disprove Mormonism:
“A careful study of all facts regarding this alleged confession of Joseph Smith in a court of law that he had used a seer stone to find hidden treasure for purposes of fraud, must come to the conclusion that no such record was ever made, and therefore, is not in existence…. had he [Joseph Smith] made this confession in a court of law as early as 1826, or four years before the Book of Mormon was printed, and this confession was in a court record, it would have been impossible for him to have organized the restored Church. (A New Witness For Christ In America, vol. 1, pages 385-387)
“If a court record could be identified, and if it contained a confession by Joseph Smith which revealed him to be a poor, ignorant, deluded, and superstitious person — unable himself to write a book of any consequence, and whose church could not endure because it attracted only similar persons of low mentality — if such a court record confession could be identified and proved, then it follows that his believers must deny his claimed divine guidance which led them to follow him…. How could he be a prophet of God, the leader of the Restored Church to these tens of thousands, if he had been the superstitious fraud which ‘the pages from a book’ declared he confessed to be?” (Ibid., p. 486-487)
The noted Mormon apologist Hugh Nibley published a book in which this statement appeared: “…if this court record is authentic it is the most damning evidence in existence against Joseph Smith.” (The Myth Makers, 1961, page 142) On the same page we read that such a court record would be “the most devastating blow to Smith ever delivered.” Because he could see the serious implications of the matter, Dr. Nibley tried in every way possible to destroy the idea that the court record was an authentic document.
Why this is important – Because once we find the additional documentation that verifies $2.68 as the total, we add credibility to the trial proceeding retelling (SLIDE 14)
J.) Surrounding Statements that shape our perception
Oliver Cowdery claims Joseph was acquitted at the 1826 trial
“Oliver Cowdery, who did not attend the hearing (he met Joseph Smith about three years later), mentioned the most likely result in light of missing documentation, that Joseph was acquitted of being a disorderly person.” (SLIDE 16)
Cowdery may be confusing an 1830 trial that he took part in where Joseph actually was acquitted though the Church’s footnote makes sense to me.
Should Cowdery’s non first hand telling be considered strong enough evidence to dismiss the alleged court proceeding? no
Defer to RFM
The first 1830 Trial – Court Case before Justice of the Peace Joseph Chamberlin, South Bainbridge, Chenango County, New York: Constable Ebenezer Hatch arrested Joseph Smith on June 30, 1830, held him over night, and brought him before Justice Joseph P. Chamberlin on a charge of being a disorderly person.
Abram Willard Benton, the man who filed the disorderly person complaint against Smith in 1830, also wrote an account of this 1830 trial.8 Benton also relates Stowell’s testimony: (https://user.xmission.com/~research/early/court1830.htm)
Josiah Stowell, a Mormonite, being sworn, testified that he positively knew that said Smith never had lied to, or deceived him, and did not believe he ever tried to deceive anybody else. (SLIDE 17)
“Did Smith ever tell you there was money hid in a certain place which he mentioned? Yes. Did he tell you, you could find it by digging? Yes. Did you dig? Yes. Did you find any money? No. Did he not lie to you then, and deceive you? NO, the money was there, but we did not get quite to it! How do you know it was there? Smith said it was. ( A. W. Benton, “Mormonites,” Evangelical Magazine and Gospel Advocate, April 9, 1831, p. 120, as reprinted in Francis W. Kirkham,A New Witness for Christ in America*, (Brigham Young University, 1959) II:467-468)*
This is called circular reasoning and it is exemplified by Kerry Muhlstein (soundbite)
“It is reported, and probably true, that he commenced his juggling by stealing and hiding property belonging to his neighbors, and when inquiry was made, he would look in his stone, (his gift and power) and tell where it was.”
Remember the Miners hill episode where in the “Mormon Cave” were found various animal remains and debris or items. (I think every instance of claims that Joseph Smith found lost property through a seer stone should note the most rational explanation is something other than the supernatural or magic.) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4qiP2hZtcA
Compare to the feather story – Could Joseph have hid the feather before or during the dig? How’s that not the most rational answer especially in light of not finding the treasure that went with it.
SECOND 1830 TRIAL(actual newspaper article) – https://user.xmission.com/~research/early/court1830.htm (easier to read transcript) Church description “that he had been acquainted with Smith, the prisoner, for several years; that prisoner pretended to look in a certain glass, or stone, and said he could tell where stolen goods were, and could discover mines of gold and silver under ground (THOUGH NONE EVER FOUND); made some pretence at telling fortunes, but he, witness, never knew of prisoner’s finding any thing by his pretended art.”
Harris Stowell “hid a bag of grain in his barn, told Smith he had lost a bag of grain, and wished prisoner to find it; prisoner looked in his glass in vain, for he could not find it; prisoner, after using all his art for a number of days, offered to give witness’ brother fifty cents (so his brother told witness,) to find where the grain was, and tell him, prisoner, unbeknown to witness, so that Smith, the prisoner, might have the credit of finding the grain.” – https://user.xmission.com/~research/early/court1830.htm
Again we have Joseph Smith allegedly using deception to to give off the impression that he can find lost items.
Could not Joseph Smith have employed a similar tactic to have Simpson Stowell describe his father’s property so that Smith could later imply supernatural ability in describing Josiah Stowell’s farm?
Ronald Jackson, a believing member forged a reprint of Wesley Walters discovery of the 1826 court docket http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no68.htm. Why does Jackson feel the need to do this? Because he believes the original is damning to Mormonism.
CONCLUSION:
Witness testimony implies that Joseph never found any treasure and that while many believed him to have real power, it was them accepting such on his word with either no results OR the belief on others that he had deceptively created the appearance of supernatural ability
Setting up the deception so that objects could be hidden and then discovered later under alleged magic
Through stealing property and then locating it for the victim
Placing items in places to be found later
Bribing individuals to give him information that he could then “reveal” to others later
(feather but not the accompanying treasure, stolen items, bribing a person’s family to tell him where their loved one hid the thing
When the rubber met the road and Joseph had any ample opportunity to actually locate something of value, he came up empty every single time.
In this Episode Bill and RFM will go into a story few members know about in regards to the Prophet Joseph Smith and one of his young plural wives. It involves some re-gifting, a land deal, and Harsh Measures
B.) The Interactions between The Woodworth family and the Smiths generally
March 31, 1843 ~ Friday On the 31 friday I spent the afternoon at Mr Lucian Woodworth’s in company with Joseph Smith, Hiram Smith, Heber C. Kimball Orson Hyde, a Br Chase with our wives we had a feast of a fat turkey & had a good time (Before her Sealing to JS most likely) –
C.) Strange Interactions with potential suitor
nineteen-year-old Orange Wight (Son of Lyman Wight) pursued Flora Ann and is interrupted and offered a ride by Joseph Smith
He wrote, “[Having just returned from a mission] I concluded to lo[o]k about and try to pick up one or more of the young Ladies before they were all Gone, so I commenced keeping company with Flora Woodworth… [We were walking near Joseph’s home when he (JS) rode up in a carriage and invited us to take a ride]
D.) William Clayton records multiple visits by the Prophet to see young Flora Ann Woodworth
March 31, 1843 ~ Friday On the 31 friday I spent the afternoon at Mr Lucian Woodworth’s in company with Joseph Smith, Hiram Smith, Heber C. Kimball Orson Hyde, a Br Chase with our wives we had a feast of a fat turkey & had a good time (Before her Sealing to JS most likely)
May 2nd: “Joseph rode out today with Flora W.”
June 1st: “Evening Joseph rode in the carriage with Flora.”
August 26th: “Hyrum and I rode up to my house and Joseph met Mrs. Wdth and F[lora] and conversed some time.”
August 28th: “President Joseph met Ms Wdth at my house.”
August 29th: “A.M. at the Temple. President Joseph at my house with Miss Wdth.”
E.) Joseph Smith seems to be in the picture a lot but this is because 16 year old Flora Ann has by the Spring of 1843 become a plural wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith
1.) In the spring of 1843 Joseph Smith was sealed to 16 year old Flora Ann Woodworth
According to Brian Hales “A March 4, 1843, entry in the Prophet’s diary appears to have been written “Woodworth,” which is crossed out and is difficult to discern. The name “Woodworth” appears interlineally above in shorthand, so it is possible they were sealed that day.”
Those visits by Smith to Flora recorded by Clayton – they have already been sealed/married by then
“I was walking along the street with Flora near the Prophet’s residence when he, Joseph, drove, up in his carriage, stopped and spoke to I and Flora and asked us to get in the carriage and ride with him. He opened the door for us and when we were seated opposite to him he told the driver to drive on. We went to the [Nauvoo] temple lot and many other places during the afternoon and then he drove to the Woodworth house and we got out and went in. After we got in the house Sister Woodworth took me in another room and told me that Flora was one of Joseph’s wives. I was aware or believed that Eliza R. Snow and the two Partridge girls were his wives but was not informed about Flora. But now Sister Woodworth gave me all the information necessary, so I knew Joseph believed and practiced polygamy…Now as a matter of corse I at once—after giving her Flora/ a mild lecture left her and looked for a companion in other places, and where I could be more sure. I was now called on a mission to go up the river 5 or 6 hundred miles to make lumber for the Nauvoo house and Temple.”
Mild Lecture
Joseph gets him out of town sending him on a mission 500 to 600 miles away….
F.) The Gift Giving of a Gold Watch
Emma somehow becomes aware that Flora Woodworth has on her person a Gold watch which she comprehends is the Gold Watch of her Husband and the Prophet Joseph Smith (RFM to give most rational explanation). We know this because William Clayton records the following
“President Joseph told me that he had difficulty with E[mma] yesterday. She rode up to Woodworths with him and called while he came to the Temple. When he returned she was demanding the gold watch of F[lora]. He reproved her for her evil treatment.”
No record exists of the exact date of the marriage or the gift-giving of the watch (According to Hales)
The story implies that Joseph didn’t knowwhen dropping off emma at the woodworths that a conflict would ensue over the watch. The Smith’s and Woodworths hung out a lot it seems so it likely it all seemed normal when he dropped Emma off
RFM – when did Emma discover Flora had JS watch?
Joseph seems to only figure out that he has been caught when he returns to pick Emma up and she is in the middle of a confrontation with Flora demanding the watch back
How embarrassing for Emma
Joseph seems to have a history of giving Gold watches to his plural wives
The Prophet may have given a gold watch to several of his plural wives. Mary Ann Barzee Boice remembered that she was “acquainted with Eliza R. Snow Smith, his [Joseph Smith’s] wife and saw his gold watch which she carries.” Mary Ann Boice in John Boice and Mary Ann (Barzee) Boice “Record,” MS 8883, Microfilm of manuscript, 174.
G.) According to Clayton the argument that started when Smith showed up on the scene to find Emma in a confrontation with Flora continued on the carriage ride home and once the Smith’s got back to their home. George D. Smith, ed., An Intimate Chronicle: The Journals of William Clayton (Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 1995), 119.
“President Joseph told me that he had difficulty with E[mma] yesterday. She rode up to Woodworths with him and called while he came to the Temple. When he returned she was demanding the gold watch of F[lora]. He reproved her for her evil treatment. On their return home she abused him much and also when he got home. He had to use harsh measures to put a stop to her abuse but finally succeeded.”
What are Harsh Measures in this context that could stop “the abuse” by Emma?
This speaks volumes about how Emma might feel in this situation was disregarded. How she isn’t seen as having a right to her hurt and anger.
It addresses the quote from last week where Bednar suggests these women pursued Joseph for a sealing when the reality is that He pursued them.
It also runs counter to Bednar’s imposing these were adoptions and not marriages and certainly not sexual. (Gold watch, Orange Wight, Emma’s being caught off guard) We should spend a few minutes sorting this out)
This instance demonstrates the brethren are either naive and ignorant and speak out of turn on such things or they intentionally play on the naivete and ignorance of members or a combination of both.
Oh and what happened to the watch you ask – Seymour B. Young recalled in 1912 that Emma destroyed the watch: “The name of the Prophet’s plural wives [included] … Flora Woodward [sic] to whom he is said to have given a gold locket or watch which was stamped under foot by Emma.” – Seymour B. Young, Journal, April 2, 1912, CHL, restricted; excerpt copied in D. Michael Quinn Papers—Addition—Uncat WA MS 244 (Accession:19990209–c), Box 1—Card file—Topic: Polygamy, Joseph Smith’s
Flora apparently had a serious life event the very next day after the confrontation. The marriage index of Hancock County records Flora Ann marrying Carlos Gove, a non-member, the very next day after her confrontation with Emma. – Marriage of Flora Woodworth to Carlos Gove, August 23, 1843, in Marriage index of Hancock County, Ill., 1829–1849, Tri-County Genealogical Society, comp. (Augusta, Ilinois: Tri-County Genealogical Society, 1983), 19.
Helen Mar Kimball recalled a different chain of events: “A young man boarding at her father’s after the death of Joseph not a member of the Church had sought her hand, in time won her heart, and in a reckless moment she was induced to accept his offer and they eloped to Carthage, accompanied by a young lady friend, and were there married by a Justice of the Peace.” Helen Mar Whitney, “Travels Beyond the Mississippi,” Woman’s Exponent (November 1, 1884), 87; italics mine. This marriage is not listed in Lyndon Cook, Nauvoo Deaths and Marriages, 1839–1845 (Orem, Utah: Grandin Book Co., 1994), undoubtedly because his marriage records are extracted from Church publications and records.
According to Hales – “The level of friendship between Gove and Flora prior to their legal marriage is unknown, but it is probable that Emma encouraged the nuptial” – and his evidence for that is “Emily Partridge recalled that Emma: “once proposed to a young man to ask Eliza [Partridge, Emily’s sister] to take a ride with him.” Emily Dow Partridge Young, “Incidents in the early life of Emily Dow partridge,” MS d 2845, fd 1, typescript in possession of the author.”
I.) And as I was digging into this story…… I found a couple more things
Notice the date of May 13th 1843 is just two months after the “march 4th” possible sealing date between Flora and Joseph
Notice it appears to be part of the same lot
Notice the amount of $1000
Which 16 year old girl has $1000
Did actual money change hands or was Flora given land valued at $1000 as a inheritance for her marriage?
My hunch is nothing was paid but the wording is a formality for a gift.
Other Land Deals
Land Deed to Sarah Ann Whitney – https://www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/deed-to-sarah-ann-whitney-6-september-1842/1 But then, of course, there was Sarah herself. Only seventeen years old at the time, and by all accounts well liked by her peers, this was an event that would change the course for her whole life. Even while she was initiated into the Mormon church’s inner circle, and linked forever to the faith’s prophet, she must have known that she risked alienation from everyday life. Could she survive as the secret wife of an already much-married man? There had to be compensation. Six weeks after the secret sealing, and two weeks after Smith’s request for a clandestine meeting, Smith deeded to Sarah a lot of land only one block from his own. It was rare for a woman to own land in Nauvoo, especially a woman as young as Sarah; indeed, it was so rare that whoever filled out the deed had to strike out “his” and write in “hers” to match the inheritor’s gender.
FOOTNOTE 1 – While the land deed states that the property cost one thousand dollars, a figure slightly higher than most plots sold that year, it is very unlikely that Sarah herself paid that amount. It is possible that Sarah’s parents provided the money, or that Smith merely covered it himself but desired not to leave a paper” trail.https://benjaminepark.com/2017/10/16/sarah-ann-whitney-blessing/
Joseph Kingsbury (sham) marriage to Sarah Ann Whitney
Four years later [1843], Sarah is thought to have married Joseph Smith in a union concealed by her October 25, 1843, civil marriage to Alexander Mullinder –a ceremony performed by Apostle John Taylor. On February 3, 1846, Sarah was sealed to Mulholland, Heber C. Kimball acting as proxy for her deceased first husband. There are two reasons for concluding that Sarah was joined to Joseph for time and eternity. First, in her 1846 sealing ceremony, she was identified as Sarah Smith, indicating a prior marriage to Joseph. [NO FOOTNOTE OR REFERENCE.] Second, in a biography of Heber Kimball, family tradition lists her among “the wives of the prophet” whom Kimball adopted as his own, 1844-46 – George D. Smith, Nauvoo Polygamy: “… but we called it celestial marriage”, Salt Lake City: Signature Books, 2008, 218.
Sarah Scott, who had married James Mulholland (1810–39) in early1839, wed Alexander Mullinder/Mullander (born ca. 1810) civilly on October 25, 1843, with Apostle John Taylor performing the ceremony. Mulholland was probably a “front” husband to conceal Sarah’s plural marriage to Smith—much the same arrangement by whichSmith had authorized Joseph Kingsbury and Sarah Whitney’s “prete[n]ded marriage” on April 29, 1843. Scott was sealed to Mulholland for eternity and to Heber Kimball, not Mullinder, for time on February 3, 1846, in the Nauvoo Temple. The record of that ceremony identifies her explicitly as “Sarah Smith,” implying an earlier sealing to Joseph Smith – Gary J. Bergera, “Identifying the Earliest Mormon Polygamists, 1841-1844,” Dialogue: A Journal of Mormon Thought38, no. 2 (Fall 2005): 31
JOSEPH SMITH’S WIVES as of May 1844: Emma Hale, Louisa Beaman, Mrs. Zina Diantha Huntington (Jacobs), Mrs. Presendia Lathrop Huntington (Buell), Agnes Moulton Coolbrith (Smith), Mrs. Lucinda Pendleton (Morgan Harris), Mrs. Mary Elizabeth Rollins (Lightner), Mrs. Sylvia Porter Sessions (Lyon), Mrs. Patty Bartlett (Sessions), Mrs. Sarah M. Kingsley (Howe Cleveland), Mrs. Elizabeth Davis (G. Brackenbury Durfee), Mrs. Marinda Nancy Johnson (Hyde), Delcena Diadamia Johnson (Sherman), Eliza Roxcy Snow, Mrs. Sarah Rapson (Poulterer), Sarah Ann Whitney, Martha McBride (Knight), Mrs. Ruth Daggett Vose (Sayers), Flora Ann Woodworth, Emily Dow Partridge, Eliza Maria Partridge, Almera Woodward Johnson, Lucy Walker, Sarah Lawrence, Maria Lawrence, Helen Mar Kimball, Mrs. Elvira Anna Cowles (Holmes), Rhoda Richards, Hannah S. Ells, Mary Ann Frost (Stearns Pratt), Olive Grey Frost, Nancy Maria Winchester, Desdemona Catlin Wadworth Fullmer, Melissa Lott, Sarah Scott (Mulholland), Mrs. Phebe Watrous (Woodworth), Mary Huston, Fanny Young (Carr Murray). (George D. Smith, Nauvoo Polygamy [2008]).
Here are the wives of Joseph Smith who were under the age of 20: Fanny Alger (16); Sarah Ann Whitney (17); Flora Ann Woodworth (16); Lucy Walker (17); Sara Lawrence (17): Helen Mar Kimball (14); Nancy Winchester (14)
Mormonism LIVE: 097: A Chat w/ Elder Bednar Part 2
Oct 13, 2022
A listener was able to have a candid chat with Elder Bednar recently and agreed to share with us how it went! This is part 2 of that conversation. Join us live!
RADIO FREE MORMON: 254: GENERAL CONFERENCE LIGHTNING ROUND (OCTOBER 2022)
Oct 11, 2022
One General Conference. Five Sessions. Ten hours. Thirty-Six Talks. ALL IN UNDER SIXTY MINUTES!!!
Mormonism LIVE: 096: Mormonism & Masonry
Oct 06, 2022
RFM and Bill Reel will sit down with author Cheryl Bruno to discuss her book “Method Infinite: Freemasonry and the Mormon Restoration”.
Synopsis of her book – “While no one thing can entirely explain the rise of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, the historical influence of Freemasonry on this religious tradition cannot be refuted. Those who study Mormonism have been aware of the impact that Freemasonry had on the founding prophet Joseph Smith during the Nauvoo period, but his involvement in Freemasonry was arguably earlier and broader than many modern historians have admitted. The fact that the most obvious vestiges of Freemasonry are evident only in the more esoteric aspects of the Mormon faith has made it difficult to recognize, let alone fully grasp, the relevant issues. Even those with both Mormon and Masonic experience may not be versed in the nineteenth-century versions of Masonry’s rituals, legends, and practices. Without this specialized background, it is easy to miss the Masonic significance of numerous early Mormon ordinances, scripture, and doctrines. Method Infinite: Freemasonry and the Mormon Restoration offers a fresh perspective on the Masonic thread present in Mormonism from its earliest days. Smith’s firsthand knowledge of and experience with both Masonry and anti-Masonic currents contributed to the theology, structure, culture, tradition, history, literature, and ritual of the religion he founded.”
Mormonism LIVE: 095: A Chat w/Elder Bednar
Oct 01, 2022
A listener was able to have a candid chat with Elder Bednar recently and agreed to share with us how it went! Join us live!
Mormonism LIVE: 094: Joseph Smith & The Occult
Oct 01, 2022
Dan Vogel joins RFM to discuss the Occult in the Life of Joseph Smith and his family.
Radio Free Mormon: 253: DEMYTHOLOGIZING MORMONISM
Sep 17, 2022
Evidence has recently come to my attention that the LDS Church is currently engaged in removing miraculous elements from some of its cherished stories in Church History.
This episode presents that evidence.
Let me know what you think in the comments section below!
Mormonism LIVE: 093: The Tar and Feathering of Joseph Smith
Sep 15, 2022
In Mormon parlance, the Tar and Feathering of Joseph Smith is a faith promoting story about a mob of mean men punishing Joseph Smith for being a prophet. But it doesn’t take one long when their ears are to the ground in non-correlated circles to hear rumblings that the tar and feathering is connected to something more devious on Joseph Smith’s end. In this episode Bill & RFM explore the story of Joseph Smith’s being tarred and feathered to see what info there is that can best explain this mob mentality in the wee hours of the morning of March 25, 1832.
A.) Setup of the story with the context of how Joseph Smith was in Hiram Ohio and what other historical context is needed to help people grasp this moment historically (Leaving out the possible scandalous context)
Sidney Rigdon became a pastor in Mentor Ohio(adjacent & NE of Kirtland). He became converted to Mormonism via Parley Pratt’s mission whom he knew, while Smith lived in NY. After Sidney Rigdon baptized John and Elsa’s 19-year-old son, Lyman, in February 1831, the couple read the Book of Mormon and believed. By May, all members of the Johnson family were baptized except Olmstead, who had moved to Mexico.
Later that year, the Prophet, seeking a peaceful, secluded place in which to continue his work of translating the Bible, accepted an invitation from the Johnsons to live in their home. Joseph and Emma came on 12 September 1831 with their four-month-old adopted twins, Joseph and Julia. Converts Sidney and Phebe Rigdon settled with their six young children across the road in a log cabin.
Elsa Johnson the wife of John Johnson, who had suffered from chronic rheumatism in her arm for years, asked John to take her to Kirtland so the Prophet Joseph Smith could heal her. When the Prophet blessed her, she was completely healed. (Even some quakers make mention of this healing)
Some of the following is overlap but it also contains additional facts
After returning to Ohio from Missouri in late August 1831, JS made preparations to move his family from Kirtland to Hiram, Ohio, where he planned to resume his “translation,” or revision, of the Bible—a project he had been working on since 1830. The move occurred on 12 September 1831, following a conference held in Kirtland that same day.1 In Hiram, JS and his family stayed at the John and Alice (Elsa) Jacobs Johnson home, sleeping probably in a back room on the main level. In the end of October, the Johnsons partitioned an upstairs room, creating a work space for JS in the southeast portion of the house, where he worked on the Bible revision.2 Beginning in September, John Whitmer served as scribe for this project, working on the books of Matthew and Mark, until Sidney Rigdon assumed this responsibility in November.3 Periodically, JS traveled to Kirtland or other townships in northeastern Ohio to conduct church business,4 but he spent most of the fall in Hiram.
B.) How the mob mentality was built up and tensions arose
In the early 1831, Ezra Booth and Symonds Ryder, both ministers joined Mormonism. Booth and Ryder became strong supporters of Smith and Rigdon. While Booth was on a church mission to Jackson County, Missouri, he witnessed a dispute between Edward Partridge, Bishop of the Mormon Church in Jackson County, and Joseph Smith. Booth became disillusioned with Mormonism and returned to Ohio to report what he had seen in Missouri. Symonds Ryder also became disaffected for mulitple reasons though one of those is that after Joseph alleged a revelation calling Ryder to serve a mission. Smith and Rigdon both signed the official call but misspelled Ryder’s name. Ryder thought a real revelation from God would never do such a thing.(Didn’t he read the Book of Mormon) When Booth and Ryder met in the fall of 1831, they shared their experiences and concluded that they had been deceived. They both left Mormonism and returned to their former faiths. Both men became strong critics of Mormonism in Ohio, focusing on Smith and Rigdon. Booth, at the encouragement of a Reverend Ira Eddy, wrote nine letters to the Ohio Star newspaper published between October and December, 1831. The letters criticized Mormon doctrines and Smith’s and Rigdon’s character and accused the Mormon leaders of a scheme to get control of their followers’ property (D&C 51 United Order/Law of Consecration). These letters were widely circulated and generated fierce local opposition to the Mormons. By December of 31, Smith and Rigdon temporarily paused their revision of the bible to start rebutting the accusations by Booth and Ryder. Rigdon had his own letters published to the Ohio Star pushing back against Booth and Ryder to discuss their charges in public. In one article, Rigdon purposefully misspelled Ryder’s name apparently to irritate him. Tensions increased on both sides.(The letters are reprinted in their entirety in Eber Howe, Mormonism Unvailed (Painesville: E.D. Howe, 1834).also (Ohio Star, Plainesville, Ohio, 12 January 1832)
Mob consisted of 10 to 11 men minimum and as many as 25-30 based on eyewitness accounts and second hand sources
C.) The event as described by Joseph Smith (Where Joseph abbreviates the mob’s language we have inserted the actual swearing)
Joseph’s telling reiterated in Lucy Mack Smith’s History and published originally in the Times and Seasons, vol. 5, p. 611. Millennial Star, vol. 14, p. 148. –
“On the twenty-fourth of March [1832], the twins before mentioned, which had been sick of the measles for some time, caused us to be broken of our rest in taking care of them, especially my wife. In the evening I told her she had better retire to rest with one of the children, and I would watch with the sicker child (Murdock Boy).[iv] In the night she told me I had better lie down on the trundle bed, and I did so, and was soon after awakened by her screaming murder! when I found myself going out of the door in the hands of about a dozen men; some of whose hands were in my hair, and some had hold of my shirt, drawers, and limbs. The foot of the trundle bed was towards the door, leaving only room enough for the door to swing. “My wife heard a gentle tapping on the windows, which she then took no particular notice of (but which was unquestionably designed for ascertaining whether we were all asleep), and, soon after, the mob burst open the door and surrounded the bed in an instant,[v] and, as I said, the first I knew I was going out of the door in the hands of an infuriated mob. I made a desperate struggle, as I was forced out, to extricate myself, but only cleared one leg with which I made a pass at one man and he fell on the door steps.[vi] I was immediately confined again, and they swore by God, they would kill me if I did not be still, which quieted me. As they passed around the house with me, the fellow that I kicked came to me and thrust his hand into my face all covered with blood (for I hit him on the nose), and with an exultant horse laugh, muttered, ‘God, God, God damn ye, I’ll fix ye.’ “They then seized me by the throat and held on till I lost my breath. After I came to, as they passed along with me, about thirty rods from the house,[vii] I saw Elder Rigdon stretched out on the ground, whither they had dragged him by the heels. I supposed he was dead. “I began to plead with them, saying, ‘you will have mercy and spare my life, I hope.’ To which they replied, ‘God damn ye, call on yer God for help, we’ll show ye no mercy’; and the people began to show themselves in every direction; one coming from the orchard had a plank and I expected they would kill me and carry me off on a plank.[viii] They then turned to the right and went on about thirty rods farther-about sixty rods from the house[ix] and about thirty from where I saw Elder Rigdon-into the meadow, where they stopped, and one said, ‘Simonds, Simonds,’ (meaning, I supposed, Simonds Rider), ‘pull up his drawers, pull up his drawers, he will take cold.’ “Another replied, ‘Ain’t ye going to kill ‘im? Ain’t ye going to kill ‘im?’ when a group of mobbers collected a little way off and said, ‘Simonds, Simonds, come here’; and Simonds charged those who had hold of me to keep me from touching the ground (as they had done all the time), lest I should get a spring upon them. They went and held a council, and as I could occasionally overhear a word, I supposed it was to know whether it was best to kill me. “They returned, after a while, when I learned that they had concluded not to kill me, but pound and scratch me well, tear off my shirt and drawers, and leave me naked. One cried, ‘Simonds, Simonds, where is the tar bucket?’ “‘I don’t know,’ answered one, ‘where ’tis, Eli’s left it.’ They ran back and fetched the bucket of tar, when one exclaimed, with an oath, ‘Let us tar up his mouth’; and they tried to force the tar paddle into my mouth; I twisted my head around so that they could not, and they cried out, ‘God damn ye, hold up yer head and let us giv ye some tar.’ They then tried to force a vial into my mouth and broke it in my teeth.[x] All my clothes were torn off me, except my shirt collar; and one man fell on me and scratched my body with his nails like a mad cat, and then muttered out, ‘God damn ye, that’s the way the Holy Ghost falls on folks.’ “They then left me, and I attempted to rise, but fell again; I pulled the tar away from my lips, etc., so that I could breathe more freely, and after a while I began to recover and raised myself up, when I saw two lights. I made my way towards one of them and found it was Father Johnson’s. When I had come to the door I was naked, and the tar made me look as though I was covered with blood; and when my wife saw me, she thought I was all mashed to pieces and fainted. During the affray abroad, the sisters of the neighborhood had collected at my room. I called for a blanket, they threw me one and shut the door; I wrapped it around me, and went in. “In the meantime, Brother John Poorman heard an outcry across the cornfield, and running that way met Father Johnson, who had been fastened in his house at the commencement of the assault, by having his door barred by the mob, but on calling to his wife to bring his gun, saying he would blow a hole through the door, the mob fled, and Father Johnson, seizing a club, ran after the party that had Elder Rigdon, and knocked one man, and raised his club to level another, exclaiming: “What are you doing here?”[xi] when they left Elder Rigdon and turned upon Father Johnson, who, turning to run towards his own house, met Brother Poorman coming out of the cornfield; each supposing the other to be a mobber, an encounter ensued, and Poorman gave Johnson a severe blow on the left shoulder with a stick or stone, which brought him to the ground. Poorman ran immediately towards Father Johnson’s, and arriving while I was waiting for the blanket, exclaimed: ‘I’m afraid I’ve killed him.’ ‘Killed who?’ asked one; when Poorman hastily related the circumstances of the encounter near the cornfield, and went into the shed and hid himself. Father Johnson soon recovered so as to come to the house, when the whole mystery was quickly solved concerning the difficulty between him and Poorman, who, on learning the facts, joyfully came from his hiding place.[xii] “My friends spent the night in scraping and removing the tar, and washing and cleansing my body, so that by morning I was ready to be clothed again. This being Sabbath morning, the people assembled for meeting at the usual hour of worship, and among them came also the mobbers, viz., Simonds Rider, a Campbellite preacher and leader of the mob; one McClentic, who had his hands in my hair; one Streeter, son of a Campbellite minister; and Felatiah Allen, Esq., who gave the mob a barrel of whisky to raise their spirits; and many others. With my flesh all scarified and defaced, I preached to the congregation as usual, and in the afternoon of the same day baptized three individuals. “The next morning I went to see Elder Rigdon and found him crazy, and his head highly inflamed, for they had dragged him by his heels, and those, too, so high from the ground that he could not raise his head from the rough, frozen surface, which lacerated it exceedingly; and when he saw me he called to his wife to bring him his razor. She asked him what he wanted of it; and he replied, to kill me. Sister Rigdon left the room, and he asked me to bring his razor. I asked him what he wanted of it, and he replied he wanted to kill his wife; and he continued delirious some days. The feathers which were used with the tar on this occasion, the mob took out of Elder Rigdon’s house. After they had seized him, and dragged him out, one of the banditti returned to get some pillows; when the women shut him in and kept him a prisoner some time. “During the mobbing, one of the twins contracted a severe cold, and continued to grow worse till Friday and died.[xiii] The mobbers were composed of various religious parties, but mostly Campbellites, Methodists and Baptists, who continued to molest and menace Father Johnson’s house for a long time.”
D.) Details of story as suggested by those involved as well as additional researchers after the fact. Some of these came out in the narrative we just read others are added from additional sources.
March 24 1832
Tapping on the window
They were perhaps testing to see who was asleep
Joseph Smith was occupying the room of a house brother Johnson was living in, at the same time; it was a two story building, had steps in front. The mob surrounded the house, the twins being afflicted with measles, Joseph was lying upon a trundle bed with one of them. The mob rushed in, gathered up Joseph while in his bed (apparently separating him from the Murdock boy in doing so), took him out in his night clothes, and carried him out on to the top of the steps.
Joseph got a foot at liberty and kicked one of the men, and knocked him down off the steps, and the print of his head and shoulders were visible on the ground in the morning.
Warren Waste – Warren Waste, who was the strongest man in the western reserve considered himself perfectly able to handle Joseph alone, but when they got hold of him Waste cried out, “do not let him touch the ground, or he will run over the whole of us.” Waste suggested in carrying him to cross his legs, for they said that would make it easier for the Prophet, but that was done in consequence of the severe pain it would give to the small of the back.
Tar and Feathering – Someone brought forward a bucket of hot tar which they then smeared over Joseph’s lacerated body, at the same time trying to force the tar paddle into his mouth. He resisted.
Observer & Telegraph, a local Ohio newspaper –
“TRIUMPHS OF THE MORMON FAITH” — Several verbal statements agree in establishing the following facts.” “That on Saturday night, March 24, a number of persons, some say 25 or 30, disguised with coloured faces, entered the rooms in Hiram, where the two Mormonite leaders, Smith and Rigdon were sleeping, and took them, together with the pillows on which they slept, carried them a short distance and after besmearing their bodies with tar, applied the contents of the pillows to the same.
What sort of harm tar and feathering caused – The notion that hot tar caused severe, sometimes fatal burns is based on the assumption that “tar” meant the asphalt we use on roads, which is typically stored in liquid state at about 300°F (150°C). But in the eighteenth century “tar” meant pine tar, used for several purposes in building and maintaining ships. As any baseball fan knows, pine tar doesn’t have to be very hot to be sticky. Shipyards did warm that tar to make it flow more easily, but pine tar starts to melt at about 140°F (60°C). That’s well above the ideal for bathwater, but far from the temperature of hot asphalt. Pine tar could be hot enough to injure someone. The Loyalist judge Peter Oliver complained that when a mob attacked Dr. Abner Beebe of Connecticut, “hot Pitch was poured upon him, which blistered his Skin.”[i] But other victims of tarring and feathering didn’t mention severe or lasting burns among their injuries. Rioters probably applied the tar with a mop or brush, lowering its temperature. Sometimes they tarred people more gently over their clothing.
Castration – Dr. Dennison had been employed to perform a surgical operation, but he declined when the time came to operate.
Castration was often a punishment for a sexual misdeed but not always.
Poison – He was daubed with tar, feathered and choked, and aquafortis was attempted to be poured into his mouth.
Aqua fortis, in the old chemistry ( now called nitric acid.Webster’s 1828 American Dictionary).
The liquid they poured into his mouth was so powerful, that it killed the grass where some of it had been scattered on the ground.
Joseph Clenched his teeth hard to prevent them from poisoning him and in the process apparently chipped a tooth
Joseph is reported by the mob to have said, be merciful, when they told him to call upon his God for mercy. They immediately, as he began to pray, heard an alarm which made them think they were about to be surprised, and left suddenly. (I looked for the source of this and like many other alleged data points, was unable to locate a source and verify the detail)
Rigdon also assaulted – Sidney Rigdon, who resided near by, had been dragged by the heels out of his bed at the same time, and his body stripped and a coat of tar and feathers applied. The next morning he was crazy, his head greatly inflamed and lacerated.
Some records indicated he was abused after Joseph but the most reliable statements have him being abused first including how Joseph reported the event.
Hiram 1800-1850, Portage County, Ohio Genweb – Sidney Rigden, who furnished the brains for the Mormon movement in its infancy, took up his abode in a log house across the street from the Johnsons.
Joseph after being cleaned up the best that could be done preached a sermon the next morning and 3 people were baptized. Joseph found his way in from the light of the house, the mob having abandoned him. While he was engaged in getting off the tar by the application of grease, soap and other materials,
Philemon Duzette, the father of our celebrated drummer, came there, and seeing the Prophet in this condition, took it as an evidence of the truth of “Mormonism,” and was baptized.
Philemon joined the group of volunteers who followed the Prophet Joseph Smith on the march for Zion’s Camp. They left Ohio 6th of May 1834 and headed towards Missouri to aid the suffering Latter-day Saints there. It was a grueling journey wrought with danger, hunger, and fatigue. Philemon did not return from this march; the family never saw him again. We surmise that he died somewhere along the way.
Murdock twins (Julia and Joseph) – the murdock boy died later proposedly from the exposure to the cold during the tar and feathering event. These circumstances exposed the life of the child, the measles struck in and caused its death, and the whole of this persecution was got up through the influence of those apostates; and it made it necessary to keep up a constant watch lest some violence should be repeated.
Various Books on Mormonism have additional facts/conjecture
According to recorded accounts of the event, the mob broke down the front door, took Smith’s oldest surviving adopted child from his arms,[5 McKiernan, F. Mark (1971), The Voice of One crying in the Wilderness: Sidney Rigdon, Religious Reformer, 1793-1876, Lawrence, KS: Corondao Press, ISBN 978-0-87291-024-9 ]
dragged Smith from the room, leaving his exposed child on a trundle bed and forcing Emma and the others from the house, the mob threatening her with rape and murder.[6 Johnson, Luke (1864), “History of Luke Johnson, by Himself”, The Latter Day Saints’ Millennial Star, 26: 834]
The child was knocked off the bed onto the floor in the doorway of the home as Smith was forcibly removed from his home.[7Joseph Smith: The First Mormon – Donna Hill 1977]
The child died from exposure (many accounts say pneumonia) five days after the event [8Newell, Linda King; Avery, Valeen Tippetts (1984), Mormon Enigma: Emma Hale Smith, Prophet’s Wife, “Elect Lady,” Polygamy’s Foe, Garden City, NY: Doubleday, ISBN 0-252-02399-4]
from the condition that doctors said he developed the night of the mob violence.[9 Smith, Lucy Mack (1853), Biographical Sketches of Joseph Smith the Prophet, and His Progenitors for Many Generations, Liverpool: S.W. Richards, archived from the original on 2004-04-30 ]
E.) The additional data that is left out of Faith promoting tellings, recognizing some of it may be unsubstantiated.
Injuries and fate of the assailants – Luke Johnson informed us that Warren Waste was afterwards a cripple, rendered so by weakness in the small of the back, and Dr. Dennison died in the Ohio Penitentiary where he was incarcerated for procuring an abortion, which caused death; Luke’s history does not mention the fate of Warren Waste but does say that Carnot Mason “had an attack of the spinal affection” and Dr. Dennison died in prison (does not cite offense). They tore out a patch of his hair by the roots that never grew back. They injured his side in such a way that it pained him the rest of his life and Joseph claimed an out of body near death experience – Joseph would later describe standing above his body and watching as the mob beat him and poured the acid over his face and neck. Then a noise was heard and the mob fled in fear leaving Joseph upon the ground. Slowly, he regained consciousness. He tried to sit up but couldn’t. Unable to breathe, he pulled the tar from his mouth. After a time, he made his way home. Emma stood in the doorway and fainted at the sight of him. Joseph asked for a blanket for cover and went inside by the fire. His friends spent the night peeling and scraping the tar from his body, sometimes taking off layers of skin with it.
Alibi of Symonds Ryder – “At Symonds Ryder’s funeral (in 1870), his son Hartwell Ryder spoke of his father and said all these glowing things. Then he said, ‘On the books of the Mormon Church out in Utah, it says that Symonds Ryder led the tarring and feathering of Joseph Smith,’”
a.) But it appears that perhaps Susan Easton Black was distorting the story. The source found said the following – After the event, if anyone inquired of the whereabouts of any of the mobbers of 24 March, an appropriate alibi was ready. These alibis were even passed to the next generation. For example, according to Ryder’s son, Hartwell, Ryder was not involved in the tarring and feathering of Joseph Smith. Nor did he preach on the following Sunday in the south schoolhouse on Ryder Road and glory that he had been an instrument of the Lord in driving the Mormons out of Hiram. Instead, Hartwell wrote, Ryder was “ill in bed at the time.”
Genealogical archives in SLC show that Hyde did in fact take “Nancy” on July 31st 1857 and have her sealed “for eternity” to Joseph Smith. (Sealing? April 1842)
Joseph Smith in the handwriting of Thomas Bullock – Joseph Smith’s journal contains a list of a few of his plural wives written after the July 14, 1843, entry in the handwriting of Thomas Bullock: “Apri 42 marinda Johnson to Joseph Smith.” – Photography of hologram in Richard E. Turley, Jr. Selected Collections from the Archives of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Provo, Utah: Brigham Young University Press, 2002)
Brian Hales: “It is not known whether the statement “let my handmaid Nancy Marinda Hyde hearken to the counsel of my servant Joseph in all things whatsoever he shall teach unto her” is a general admonition or a specific reference, perhaps to plural marriage.”
Hales – Generally, a signed affidavit is considered more reliable than an entry in a journal by a scribe from an unknown source, but whether the first date is in error or two sealing ceremonies were performed is unclear.
Brian Hales – “Marinda personally testified concerning a second sealing through a signed affidavit “that on the [blank] day of May A.D. 1843, at the City of Nauvoo, County of Hancock, State of Illinois, She was married or Sealed to Joseph Smith, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, by Brigham Young, President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, of Said Church, according to the laws of the same, regulating Marriage; in the presence of Eliza Maria Partridge Lyman, and Emily Dow Partridge Young.”
Brian Hales- “The relationship between Joseph Smith and Marinda Nancy Johnson is difficult to decipher due to a lack of evidence. Todd Compton assessed: “For such an important woman, Marinda is surprisingly under-documented. I know of no holograph by her and have found only four letters to her.” “Marinda left no known reference to the marriage [with Joseph Smith], beyond signing an affidavit attesting that it happened.””
John D Lee – “Hyde’s wife, with his consent, was sealed to Joseph for an eternal state.”
Brian Hales – “If the 1842 date for the sealing between Joseph and Marinda’s marriage is correct, then Joseph may have been sealed to Marinda in an eternity-only sealing without Orson Hyde’s knowledge.”
Marinda, while Orson was on his mission in Jerusalem “had to live in a little log house whose windows had no glass but in place of which were pieces of greased paper…A little cornmeal and a few groceries were all the provisions remaining to sustain her and the little ones.”. Noting Marinda’s living conditions, Joseph Smith received the following revelation dated December 2, 1841: “Verily thus saith the Lord unto you my servant Joseph. that inasmuch as you have called upon me to know my will concerning my handmaid Nancy Marinda Hyde Behold it is my will that she should have a better place prepared for her than that in which she now lives…and let my handmaid Nancy Marinda Hyde hearken to the counsel of my servant Joseph in all things whatsoever he shall teach unto her…”
Hales “The details of the relationship between Marinda and the Prophet will probably never be known. If Marinda had chosen Joseph as her eternal husband, she apparently changed her mind because she chose to be sealed to her legal husband Orson Hyde in the Nauvoo temple on January 11, 1846”
Hales – “Marinda Nancy Johnson relocated to Salt Lake City in 1852 and later divorced Orson Hyde and was resealed by proxy to Joseph Smith. She died in 1886, having kept the faith in the Church.”
William Hall – Hall, William, The Abominations of Mormonism Exposed; containing many Facts and Doctrines concerning that singular people during seven years’ membership with them, from 1840 to 1847, Cincinnati: I. hart, 1852, excerpts. – Hall claims that Orson hyde agreed to give Joseph all his money and his wife in order to be permitted back into the Church after his apostasy
Arthur Deming 3rd hand from Rev. Whitney (Newell K Whitney’s Brother – hostile to the church) – He stated that one of the party who tarred and feathered Sydney Rigdon and Jo Smith at John Johnson’s, in Hiram, O., informed him that Rigdon said to their assailants he presumed they were gentlemen, but Jo Smith fought until overpowered. A doctor present offered to castrate Jo and said he would warrant him to live. It was not done. Several of Johnson’s sons were of the party. They were angry because their father was urged by Jo and Rigdon to let them have his property. He finally did give them some of it, and moved to Kirtland and kept tavern, and his son Luke became one of the first Mormon Twelve Apostles.
Marinda Nancy Johnson – “Here I feel like bearing my testimony that during the whole year that Joseph was an inmate of my father’s house I never saw aught in his daily life or conversation to make me doubt his divine mission.”
Van Wagoner perhaps quoting Marvin Hill – That an incident between Smith and Nancy Johnson precipitated the mobbing is unlikely. Sidney Rigdon was attacked just as viciously by the group as was Smith. And the leader of the mob, Simonds Ryder, later said that the attack occurred because members of the mob had found some documents that led them to believe “the horrid fact that a plot was laid to take their property from them and place it under the control of Smith” (Hill 1977, 146).
John Johnson had no son Eli . His only sons were John, Jr., Luke, Olmstead, and Lyman (Newell and Avery 1984, 41).”.
BUT WAIT – Joseph Smith or scribe Willard Richards says in the manuscript history of the church – “I would remark that nothing important had occurred since I came to reside at father Johnson’s house in Hiram; I had held meetings on the sabbaths and evenings and baptized a number. Father Johnsons Son, Olmsted Johnson, about this time [March, 1832] came home on a visit, during which I told him if he did not obey the gospel, the spirit he was of would lead him to destruction, and when he went away, he would never return or see his father again…. In addition to the apostate Ezra Booth, Symonds Rider, Eli Johnson, Edward Johnson and John Johnson jr. had apostatized…. soon after [at the Johnson house on the 24th of March] the mob burst open the door and surrounded the bed in an instant, and, as I said, the first I knew I was going out of the door in the hands of an infuriated mob… I was immediately confined… they swore by God, they would kill me if I did not be still, which quieted me…. one cried, ‘Simonds, Simonds, where’s the tar bucket?’ ‘I don’t know’ answered one, ‘where ’tis, Eli’s left it.’… by morning I was ready to be clothed again. This being Sabbath morning, the people assembled for meeting at the usual hour of worship, and among those came also the mobbers; viz: Simonds Rider, a Campbelite preacher, and leader of the mob; one McClentic, son of a Campbelite preacher, and Pelatiah Allen, Esq. who gave the mob a barrel of whiskey to raise their spirits; and many others.”
Fawn Brodie was in fact incorrect in naming Eli Johnson as Mirinda’s brother. Eli was actually a name of one of her uncles. According to LDS family search.com. Eli was a uncle, brother to Mirinda’s father, John. Son of Israel Johnson wich may have been enough to be motivated by Joseph ‘s sexual advances with his niece not his sister and the fact that he believed that Joseph was also using his position to take the Johnson farm…it should be pointed out that in this Joseph succeeded since John Johnson did in fact give a portion of his property to smith and did eventually marry Mirinda as one of his plural wives.
Luke Johnson – “[W]hile Joseph was yet at my father’s, a mob of forty or fifty came to his house, a few entered his room in the middle of the night, and Carnot Mason dragged Joseph out of bed by the hair of his head; he was then seized by as many as could get hold of him, and taken about forty rods from the house, stretched on a board, and tantalized in the most insulting and brutal manner; they tore off the few night clothes that he had on, for the purpose of emasculating him, and had Dr. Dennison there to perform the operation [castration]; but when the Dr. saw the Prophet stripped and stretched on the plank, his heart failed him, and he refused to operate. The mob … in attempting to force open his jaws, they broke one of his front teeth to pour a vial of some obnoxious drug [aqua-fortis, a poison] into his mouth. The mob [then] became divided [because they] did not succeed, … but [instead had to settle for] poured tar over him, and then stuck feathers in it and left him … [then] part of the mob went to the house that Sidney Rigdon occupied, and dragged him out, and besmeared him with tar and feathers. Persons identified as being part of this attack besides Mason and Dr. Dennison, included Simonds Ryder, Warren Waste, Jacob Scott, a man named Fullar, and Eli Johnson. Many of these men had recently apostatized from the church” “The History of Luke Johnson (By Himself.,),” Deseret News 8 (May 26, 1858)
Strange he would refer to his brother or uncle without mentioning the relationship.
Also is it possible that Eli is short for Lyman aks Ly/Eli? Lyman also has an alibi, he was on an eastern mission for much of 1832. he was with Orson Pratt continuously from Feb 3 to Nov 8
FairMormon- Eli was partially blind, fond of drink, disgruntled, the village tale-bearer, and lived in outhouses (apparently not a big property owner). He is known to have lived his last 50 years in Battleboro, NH (1809-1859), posing further difficulty for him being in Ohio for long and being Clark Braden’s source. He would have been around 50 when Joseph was tarred and feathered and not easily mistaken for Marinda’s brother.
While there is some data lending credibility to the claim of sexual misconduct being at least part of the motive of the 24th March 1832 such as the attempted Castration and the later allegations and sealing/marriage of Smith to Marinda Nancy Hyde, this is weak at best and is clouded by the errors created by Fawn Brodie and perpetuated by critics who wish to see misconduct on the part of Mormon Leaders at every turn.
There may have been multiple motives of the mob but it seems the clearest explanation for the events of that night can be best understood by the words of Symonds Ryder himself.
Symonds Ryder later defended his actions against Smith and the Mormons, explaining that the attack was not a manifestation of religious intolerance. In fact, the people of Hiram were “liberal” and “disposed to turn out and hear” the Mormons and other religions. The attacks, Ryder argued, came in response to “the horrid fact that a plot was laid to take their property from them and place it under the control of Joseph Smith the prophet.” Ryder defended his actions and was pleased with the result of the violence. “This had the desired effect, which was to get rid of them. They [the Mormons] soon left for Kirtland.” ( Symonds Ryder, “Letter to A.S. Hayden,” 1 February 1868, in Amos Sutton Hayden, Early History of the Disciples in the Western Reserve (Cincinnati: Chase and Hall, 1875), 220-21)
Hence we (myself included) need to quit perpetuating the story about Eli and his sister Marinda Nancy Hyde and focus on the thousand other legitimate places to raise criticism and expose problematic history.
Possible Concluding Statement – Thesis TARRED AND FEATHERED: MORMONS, MEMORY, AND RITUAL VIOLENCE by John Kimball Alexander
“The motives of the mob are best understood as a public manifestation of the personal feud between Smith and Rigdon, and Ryder and Booth. When Booth and Ryder left Mormonism, they seemed to believe that their attacks against Smith and Rigdon would go unchallenged and result in the fall of Mormonism. One man wrote that Booth gave Mormons “such a coloring, or appearance of falsehood, that the public feeling was, that ‘Mormonism’ was overthrown.”51 Yet Smith and Rigdon launched a campaign against Booth and Ryder that rebuffed their accusations and discredited both men. Particularly Ryder, the likely organizer and leader of the mob, seemed determined to pursue a personal vendetta against Smith and Rigdon. Ryder claimed that the central factor was property, especially the perceived loss of property among Smith’s followers and the corresponding accumulation of property in Smith’s hands. The doctrine of Mormonism that would come to be called the Law of Consecration required members to deed their property to the Church to be used collectively for the benefit of all Mormons under the oversight of Mormon leaders. Individual Mormons would then receive land back from the Church as “stewardships’ from which they were to provide for their families and then distribute any excess for the care of the poor. This redistribution of property and wealth caused a fury amongst some Mormons who viewed private property ownership as a central component of their broader American identity. Ryder and Booth’s war of words against Smith and Rigdon, combined with charges of property aggrandizement against Smith, generated an atmosphere wherein generally peaceful Ohioans resorted to violence in an effort to protect both reputation and property.” RESOURCES:
Radio Free Mormon: 252: THE RFM MAGIC SHOW!
Sep 10, 2022
I had a blast doing some magic at the 2022 Sunstone Symposium!
Even though this is just the audio, I was pleased to find it entertaining to listen to.
I hope you enjoy it!
Mormonism LIVE: 092: Mormon Movie Maker
Sep 08, 2022
RFM and Bill sit down with Movie Director Richard Dutcher to explore his career directing the movies God’s Army, Brigham City, & States of Grace. We take a look at these films through the perspective of Richard’s faith journey and take an evening to get to know the man who kicked of Mormon cinema.
Mormonism LIVE: 091: Bonnie Cordon & The Breath of Life #HearHim
Sep 01, 2022
Throughout multiple talks including one released just a few days ago, Sister Bonnie Cordon, Young Women general president, has spoke about the loss of her Grandson, Derek within Church approved channels. What she doesn’t say is that the death of this child is surrounded by horrific details that contradict witness statements that involve allegations of child abuse, arrests, homicide, and aggravated Child Abuse charges. We expose this story shining a light on the details of a story where nothing adds up. Everyone in the Church seems willing to use this story to promote the LDS Church but no one wants to clearly explain what happened to this little boy.
Gently Shook him and put hand over his mouth – we know from the obituary that little Derek had a learning disability, which assuredly would make it more difficult for a 2.5 year old to grasp what might be happening as he wakes up from a nightmare in a strange place. Was she possibly admitting in part to a minimized version of what she did or is it a misdirection that takes away focus from the father?
The Father imposes he only was present and aware of the situation once it had gone south
Midnight and leaves hotel at 12:53 AM (almost an hour from initial event to leaving for the hospital
Medical Team made CONCLUSION Hana shook the child too hard and that the father was neglectful in not responding faster
The Family did not call 911 in a in the face of an emergency in a foreign city.
The Family did not try to grab their sister who is a “RN” (Registered Nurse) who is also on vacation in the same hotel as they are.
The mother, Hana drove alone to the hospital with the child
Hana is arrested on December 9th and charged with Aggravated Child Abuse (child hasn’t died yet as he passes away the following day on the 10th).
Sometime between the event and the date of this report on May 2017 the State Attorney isn’t going to prosecute
Neither parents could give an explanation that was consistent with the injuries and the investigation after 5 months deemed the mother action’s impulsive and violent and the father’s inaction having led to this child’s death, all while the entire Cordon family is on vacation in a different state with their RN sister across the hall.
11 month old these parents were allowed to go back to in spite of this being a “very high risk” case with “out of control” parenting (THIS IS A QUESTION)
12. From December 9th 2016 to May 11th 2017, the State of Florida has maintained that this was a homicide caused by the parents of Derek Cordon to little Derek with the parents offering no satisfactory explanation.
Contradictions between the report and what other sources such as LDS material says
“In the middle of the fourth night, little Derek stopped breathing, and his parents rushed him to the hospital” – That is not what happened. Why does she want the story framed this way?
Surely since she was there, she knows that Hana drove the child to the hospital alone. She says she stayed behind with the family. Surely she remembers her son was there with her.
Surely she is aware that they didn’t rush but instead took almost an hour to head there?
Surely she finds it strange that her son and daughter in law didn’t rush to grab his Registered Nurse Sister across the hall. (AND WHY DIDN’T BONNIE?)
She prayed that little Derek would feel good enough to rejoin them for family activities? The injuries were serious – How could she be naive enough to think this was some minor health issue?
Why is she creating a narrative where the Holy Ghost helps her through her ignorance about to share with her that her grandson has died now knowing how serious this whole thing is. Why is she hijacking this story for the purpose of creating a faith promoting story that ignores the facts?
“The Answer was so far from my thoughts” juxtaposed with this talk is in 2020 and surely she grasps the full scope of her grandson’s death
Her expressions of surprise and shock and lacking understanding till then Holy Ghost helps her is insane.
While she attributes it to the Holy Ghost she admits she knew Derek died almost 48 hours before he died. Don’t allow her to sweep that under the rug giving credit to Mormonism’s Holy Ghost. She knew how bad this was.
“We were on a family vacation, and an unexpected situation happened where our grandson…. Was ……. Ah…. all of a sudden stopped breathing, and we lost him.
Again she admits sort of grasping that she knew that while he wouldn’t die for another 48 hours almost that he was lost.
She says they spent three days with him in a hospital but records indicate the event took place around midnight on the night of the 8th/morning of the 9th and that he arrived at the hospital on the early morning of December 9th 2016 and he was pronounced deceased on December 10th at 7:40 PM and the obituary agrees ( https://www.sundbergolpinmortuary.com/obituary/Derek-Cordon )
Radio Free Mormon: 251: Meet the New Church Historian!
Aug 30, 2022
The LDS Church has appointed a new Church Historian named Elder Kyle S. McKay.
True to form, the new Church Historian is a lawyer. What makes Elder McKay different is that he was also my missionary companion in Japan from January to February of 1980!
Join me as I talk not only about old times, but why it is the LDS Church has a predilection for putting lawyers in charge of their history department!
Mormonism LIVE: 090: Weird Alma Strikes Again
Aug 25, 2022
This week RFM and Bill sit down with the creator and musical artist known as Weird Alma. Weird Alma has brought us musical parodies such as Gaslighting, S.C.M.C., Tapirback Rider, You’re (Several Months Shy of) Fifteen, and many more. Weird Alma shows us firsthand that humor and music can play a role in our processing and healing from religious trauma.
Weird Alma the artist is not associated with Mormon Discussion Inc. or the Mormonism LIVE Show. His song’s contain similar tunes and lyrics to other well known songs. He holds that said use of music falls under FAIR USE and under the realm of Parody. Parody is a literary or musical work in which the style of an author or work is closely imitated for comic effect. Eric Herman offers his parody songs for free hence his music is not for commercial use. The only monetary gain for Mormon Discussion Inc (a Federally approved Non-profit) is youtube advertising which it is sharing per youtube’s agreement with the original artists.
Mormonism LIVE: 089: Manipulation, Money, & Mormon Sex Abuse
Aug 18, 2022
Mormonism LIVE: 089: Manipulation, Money, & Mormon Sex Abuse On this Episode Bill 7 RFM take a look at the recent Sex Abuse Scandal trying to explore the legal process and try to better understand the LDS Church’s perspective. We look at the Arizona Law, talk about the when , how, and why about the Church’s helpline. They sort through why the Church imposes non-reporting in states that give a choice. And they finish talking about the newest press release on the issue released during their live show.
A USAF sergeant explains how the strict demands of Mormonism broke him as a young man, making him feel completely alone and unaccepted by God, even causing eating disorders. After every solution the Church offered failed, he finally found healing through secular means.
Mormonism LIVE: 087: Mormonism Grooms Compliance
Aug 04, 2022
Today we dive deep into the idea that Mormonism grooms compliance. We start by showing it is the baseline of our theology and belief system. We show how it is reinforced by our stories and songs, show all the pervasive ways it shows up in our faith system. And even how the Leaders impose such on each other. And then discuss how unhealthy such is.
A.) Obedience is the First Law of Heaven or the ground zero of theology/commandments
“Obedience is the first law of heaven, the cornerstone upon which all righteousness and progression rest. It consists in compliance with divine law, in conformity to the mind and will of Deity, in complete subjection to God and his commands” (Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 539).
D&C 130: 20-21 – There is a law, irrevocably decreed in heaven before the foundations of this world, upon which all blessings are predicated— 21 And when we obtain any blessing from God, it is by obedience to that law upon which it is predicated.
It is important to obey God even when we may not fully understand the commandment (see Moses 5:5–6; 1 Nephi 3:7).
B.) The constant teaching that answering NO is not allowed and how it is a “Thought Stopping Technique”
It starts young
Don’t say no to a boy at a dance
At a young age, girls getting used to complying to the men in their lives
What 8 year old says no to baptism. Isn’t it strange that no one says no. If everyone says yes, is it really a choice?
It is persistent – Don’t say no to a calling
“Just as service in the Church is not sought, it is not turned down,” Oaks
“I often hear about members who refuse Church callings or accept callings and fail to fulfill their responsibilities. Some are not committed and faithful. It has always been so. But this is not without consequence . . . My brothers and sisters, if you are delinquent in commitment, please consider who it is you are refusing or neglecting to serve when you decline a calling or when you accept, promise, and fail to fulfill.” oaks
“While we do not ask to be released from a calling, if our circumstances change it is quite in order for us to counsel with those who have issued the call and then let the decision rest with them.” – Boyd K Packer
Get married young
Don’t put off having children, don’t use birth control, have lots of children
It culminated in the temple
Do you covenant to obey your husband as he obeys God?
Bow your head and say yes
“Give all your time, talent, and EVERYTHING you possess to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day Saints.”
Contention is of the devil – making disagreement bad and the higher authority always wins
God commanding Adam to sacrifice animals (Moses 5: 4-7). Adam follows the command for many days until eventually an angel appears and asks why Adam is performing the sacrifices. Adam respond, “I know not, save the Lord commanded me.” – you do not need a reason to obey
non-levite steadying the ark
Follow the Prophet – he can’t lead us astray – What does this even mean since there are numerous occasion where false doctrines have been taught and believed?
President Harold B. Lee (1899–1973) taught this same principle: “You keep your eye upon him whom the Lord called, and I say to you now, knowing that I stand in this position, you don’t need to worry about the President of the Church ever leading people astray, because the Lord would remove him out of his place before He would ever allow that to happen” (The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams [1996], 533).
President Gordon B. Hinckley (1910–2008) gave similar assurance to Church members: “The Church is true. Those who lead it have only one desire, and that is to do the will of the Lord. They seek his direction in all things. There is not a decision of significance affecting the Church and its people that is made without prayerful consideration, going to the fount of all wisdom for direction. Follow the leadership of the Church. God will not let his work be led astray” (“Be Not Deceived,” Ensign, Nov. 1983, 46; emphasis added).
Perpetual inadequacy instead of critical thinking – You are broken and fallen and need us more than we need you so get in line.
For the natural man is an enemy to God, and has been from the fall of Adam, and will be, forever and ever, unless he yields to the enticings of the Holy Spirit, and putteth off the natural man and becometh a saint through the atonement of Christ the Lord, and becometh as a child, submissive, meek, humble, patient, full of love, willing to submit to all things which the Lord seeth fit to inflict upon him, even as a child doth submit to his father.
Agency doesn’t work the way we thought. Agency is only to provide a space to choose God at all times – ”You have agency in order to show willing compliance”
“At times members may participate in ‘selective obedience,’ claiming to love God and honor God while picking and choosing which of His commandments and teachings— and the teachings and counsel of His prophets — we will fully follow,” Robert D Hales
“STAY ON THE COVENANT PATH” = Obedience is the first law of heaven
Feeling obligated to Clean the bathrooms for free of a multi hundred billion dollar organization
You will lose your eternal family for eternity if you don’t comply
Apostolic charge – “Always be willing to subjugate his own thoughts and accept the majority opinion not only to vote for it but to act as though it were his own original opinion after it has been approved by the majority of the council of the twelve and the First Presidency.”
Mormonism LIVE: 086: Would the Real Joseph Smith Please Stand Up?
Jul 28, 2022
Major News in Mormonism happened this week when a photograph surfaced alleging to be the Prophet Joseph Smith. So Bill and RFM dug into the story and followed the trail examining the Photographs, Portraits, Daguerreotypes, and other depictions both known to be Joseph for certain and also alleged to see if we could get to the bottom of what Joseph Smith really looked like. RESOURCES:
Mormonism LIVE: 085: Lighthouse – The Story of Tanners
Jul 21, 2022
RFM and Bill sit down with Ronald Huggins, author of the new book “Lighthouse: Jerald and Sandra Tanner, Despised and Beloved Critics of Mormonism” & Sandra Tanner who is featured in the book to discuss some of the interesting stories that went into the published work. And towards the end of the show we discuss Bill recently dealing with a threat from the son of one of the General Authorities who heads up the SCMC (Strengthening Church Members Committee) as well as Bill’s recent interaction with FAIR regarding God’s carnal intercourse with Mary, the Mother of Jesus
Mormonism LIVE: 084: Did God Have Sex With Mary?
Jul 14, 2022
When RFM and Bill Reel joined Mormonism, they heard rumors that Early LDS Leaders had taught that Mary was impregnated by Heavenly Father via a sexual act. But the Church and its apologists insisted that such idea was a misconstrued out of context assumption and with a sleight of hand the problem was gone…. Or is it. Tonight on Mormonism LIVE, RFM and Bill Reel take a long hard look at where this idea comes from within the history and see if baby Jesus was in fact the illegitimate child of our heavenly father. RESOURCES:
The father has a body of flesh and bones (resurrected from another world)
There are three personages; if only one, this question would never come up; but because there are three, and because we are being hyper-literal about things; this question does come up, and BY resolves the question by saying Jesus is not the son of the Holy Ghost, but the son of the Father.
Heber C. Kimball: SEPTEMBER 2, 1860 “In relation to the way in which I look upon the works of God and his creatures, I will say that I was naturally begotten; so was my father, and also my Savior Jesus Christ. According to the Scriptures, he is the first begotten of his father in the flesh, and there was nothing unnatural about it.” [Journal of Discourses vol. 8:211]
Orson Pratt: the Holy Ghost gave her [Mary] strength to abide in the presence of the Father without being consumed, but it was the personage of the Father who begat the body of Jesus; and for this reason Jesus is called ‘the Only Begotten of the Father;’ that is, the only one in this world whose fleshly body was begotten by the Father. There were millions of sons and daughters who he begat before the foundation of this world, but they were spirits, and not bodies of flesh and bones [The Seer, 158.]
GOD MARRIED TO MARY—STARTS WITH ORSON PRATT?
The fleshly body of Jesus required a Mother as well as a Father. Therefore, the Father and Mother of Jesus, according to the flesh, must have been associated together in the capacity of Husband and Wife; hence the Virgin Mary must have been, for the time being, the lawful wife of God the Father: we use the term lawful Wife, because it would be blasphemous in the highest degree to say that He overshadowed her or begat the Savior unlawfully. (Orson Pratt, The Seer, page 158)
Inasmuch as God was the first husband to her, it may be that He only gave her to be the wife of Joseph while in the mortal state, and that He intended after the resurrection to again take her as one of his own wives to raise up immortal spirits in eternity. (Orson Pratt, The Seer, page 158)
NOTE: Orson Pratt was opposed to BY on the Adam-God Theory; i.e., that it was Adam who came and had sex with Mary; but Orson Pratt was totally on board with the idea that Elohim did the exact same thing!
BUT THEN BRIGHAM YOUNG ECHOES THE IDEA
Brigham Young AUGUST 19, 1866 “The man Joseph, the husband of Mary, did not, that we know of, have more than one wife, but Mary the wife of Joseph had another husband.” [Journal of Discourses, vol. 11:268]
Bill: Orson Pratt and Brigham Young Agree…. Huh – It is not just a single quote “hidden in an obscure paragraph of one talk”.
His message delivered, Gabriel departed, leaving the chosen Virgin of Nazareth to ponder over her wondrous experience. Mary’s promised Son was to be “The Only Begotten” of the Father in the flesh; so it had been both positively and abundantly predicted. True, the event was unprecedented; true also it has never been paralleled; but that the virgin birth would be unique was as truly essential to the fulfillment of prophecy as that it should occur at all. That Child to be born of Mary was begotten of Elohim, the Eternal Father, not in violation of natural law but in accordance with a higher manifestation thereof; and, the offspring from that association of supreme sanctity, celestial Sireship, and pure though mortal maternity, was of right to be called the “Son of the Highest.” In His nature would be combined the powers of Godhood with the capacity and possibilities of mortality; and this through the ordinary operation of the fundamental law of heredity, declared of God, demonstrated by science, and admitted by philosophy, that living beings shall propagate—after their kind. The Child Jesus was to inherit the physical, mental, and spiritual traits, tendencies, and powers that characterized His parents—one immortal and glorified—God, the other human—woman.
Melvin J. Ballard (Mormon apostle): “as to whether or not his was a virgin birth, a birth wherein divine power interceded. … And if God the Eternal Father is not the real Father of Jesus Christ, then are we in confusion; then is he not in reality the Son of God. But we declare that he is the Only Begotten of the Father in the flesh. … No man or woman can live in mortality and survive the presence of the Highest except by the sustaining power of the Holy Ghost. So it came upon her to prepare her for admittance into the divine presence, and the power of the Highest, who is the Father, was present, and overshadowed her, and the holy Child that was born of her was called the Son of God. Men who deny this, or who think that it degrades our Father, have no true conception of the sacredness of the most marvelous power with which God has endowed mortal men–the power of creation. Even though that power may be abused and may become a mere harp of pleasure to the wicked, nevertheless it is the most sacred and holy and divine function with which God has endowed man. Made holy, it is retained by the Father of us all, and in his exercise of that great and marvelous creative power and function, he did not debase himself, degrade himself, nor debauch his daughter. Thus Christ became the literal Son of a divine Father, and no one else was worthy to be his father.” [Deseret News, 23 Dec 1923; Sermons and Missionary Services of Melvin J. Ballard, 166-167.]
JOSEPH FIELDING SMITH
CHAPTER 2 THE SON OF GOD THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON THE FIRSTBORN.
CHRIST NOT BEGOTTEN OF HOLY GHOST. I believe firmly that Jesus Christ is the Only Begotten Son of God in the flesh. He taught this doctrine to his disciples. He did not teach them that he was the Son of the Holy Ghost, but the Son of the Father. Truly, all things are done by the power of the Holy Ghost. It was through this power that Jesus was brought into this world, but not as the Son of the Holy Ghost, but the Son of God. Jesus is greater than the Holy Spirit, which is subject unto him,but his Father is greater than he! He has said it. Christ was begotten of God. He was not born without the aid of Man, and that Man was God!
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FALSE “REORGANITE” DOCTRINE ABOUT BIRTH OF CHRIST. “Reorganites” claim that Brigham Young went astray and apostatized because he declared that Jesus Christ was not begotten of the Holy Ghost. “Reorganites claim that he was begotten of the Holy Ghost, and they make the statement that the scriptures so teach. But they do err not understanding the scriptures. They tell us the Book of Mormon states that Jesus was begotten of the Holy Ghost. I challenge the statement. The Book of Mormon teaches no such thing! Neither does the Bible. It is true there is one passage that states so, but we must consider it in the light of other passages with which it is in conflict.
NOTE: This ties in later with the FAIR response which relies first on the passage of scripture that JSF challenges and refutes!
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CHRIST NOT SON OF THE HOLY GHOST. If “Reorganites” are correct, then Jesus is not the Only Begotten Son of the Father, but the Son of the Holy Ghost. This will not do for it conflicts with the scriptures. The Prophet taught that the Father. Son, and Holy Ghost were three separate personages, and that Jesus was the Only Begotten of the Father. In the Book of Genesis (Inspired Version), Jesus is spoken of throughout as the Only Begotten of the Father not less than 12 times, and in the Book of Mormon at least five times, and a great number of times in the Doctrine and Covenants; and in these scriptures he is spoken of as the Son of God innumerable times.
Now, if he is the Only Begotten of the Father in flesh, he must be the Son of the Father and not the Son of the Holy Ghost. Yet, to be consistent, “Reorganites” must claim that Jesus is the Son of the Holy Ghost and not the Son of God the Father. Their alternative — if it can be called such — must be, then, the stand of Mr. William H. Kelley, “president” of their “apostles,” who gave a written statement in answer to the question put to him by the writer, September 10, 1903: “You say that Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was begotten of the Holy Ghost. Is he the Son of the Holy Ghost?”
Mr. Kelley signed his answer as follows: “I do not know. Wm. H. Kelley.”
Just think of this for a moment. Here is a man professing to be the chief of the special witnesses for Christ, declaring that he does not know whether Jesus is the Son of God the Father or the Son of the Holy Ghost. And the Savior declared it so plainly that he was the Son of the Father, his Only Begotten, and was so acknowledged by the Father throughout the scriptures. “And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.”
Joseph F Smith 1914:: “Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God in the flesh. Well, now for the benefit of the older ones, how are children begotten? I answer just as Jesus Christ was begotten of his father …Jesus is the only person who had our Heavenly Father as the father of his body” [1972 “Family Home Evening Journal” pg 126 ] https://mormonismlive.org/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/godmaryhomeevening1972.png
BRUCE R. McCONKIE (MORMON DOCTRINE) 1st edition 1958 (pg 495 in adobe version)
Only Begotten Son. See BELOVED SoN, CHRIST, SoN, SoN OF God. Christ is the Only Begotten (Moses I :6, 17, 21, 33; 2:1, 26-27; 3: 18; 4:1), the Only Begotten Son (Jae. 4:5, I I; Alma 12:33-34; 13:5; D. & C. 20:21; 29:42; 49:5; 76:13, 25; John 1:18; 3: 16), the Only Begotten of the Father. (Moses 5:9.) These name-titles all signify that our Lord is the only Son of the Father in the flesh. Each of the words is to be understood literally: Only means only; Begotten means begotten; and Son means son. Christ was begotten by an Immortal Father in the same way that mortal men are begotten by mortal fathers. (p. 494)
SON OF GOD: (p. 670) God the Father is a perfected, glorified, holy Man, an immortal Personage. And Christ was born into the world as the literal Son of this Holy Being; he was born in the same personal, real, and literal sense that any mortal son is born to a mortal father. There is nothing figurative about his paternity; he was begotten, conceived and born in the normal and natural course of events, for he is the Son of God, and that designation means what it says.
REDEFINITION OF WORD “VIRGIN”
“For our present purposes, suffice it to say that our Lord was born of a virgin, which is fitting and proper, and also natural, since the Father of the Child was an immortal Being” (The Promised Messiah, pg. 466).
Mormon Doctrine—First Edition—1958—page 745
Virgin Birth. SEE ANNUNCIATION, BIRTH, CHRIST, IMMACULATE CONCEPTION THEORY, MARY. Our Lord is the only mortal person ever born to a virgin, because he is the only person who ever had an immortal Father. Mary, his mother, “was carried away in the Spirit” (1 Ne. 11:13-21), was “overshadowed” by the Holy Ghost, and the conception which took place “by the power of the Holy Ghost” resulted in the bringing forth of the literal and personal Son of God the Father. (Alma 7: 10; 2 Ne. 17: 14; Isa. 7:14; Matt. 1:18-25; Luke 1:26-38.) Christ is not the Son of the Holy Ghost, but of the Father. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. I, pp. 18-20.) Modernistic teachings denying the virgin birth are utterly and completely apostate and false.
NOTE: This innovation allows for Mary to still be a “virgin” so long as we define a virgin who has never had sex with a man; but apparently Mary could have physical sex with an immortal being and still be considered a “virgin.”
EZRA TAFT BENSON
Ezra Taft Benson quoted in Encyclopedia of Mormonism, page 725
Eldred G Smith : “If our Father in heaven is an exalted being-I just want to knock one little principle that is taught around the world that I cannot believe-then he has the capacity and the ability of accomplishing and doing anything that any mortal can do. I cannot believe this doctrine that is taught universally of an immaculate conception of Christ, that Christ was born from an immaculate conception. There is no such thing possible. Jesus Christ was the literal Son of God the Father by his spirit body and also by his physical body. The difference between Christ and us is that he had the same Father for his spirit body that he had for his physical body. But He had a mortal mother on earth. The scriptures say that she was overshadowed by the Holy Ghost. (See Luke 1:35.) Of course there had to be some means of making this possible while she was still in mortality. Further details are not necessary, but Christ himself declared all his life that he was the Son of God, and he meant it” (Eldred G. Smith (Patriarch to the Church), March 10, 1964, BYU Speeches of the Year, 1964, p.8). IN OFFICIAL PUBLICATION
“He is the Son of God, literally, actually, as men are the sons of mortal parents..” (What the Mormons Think of Christ, a pamphlet published by the LDS Church, p. 27) 1982
Dear Bro. Bracken, We are very much concerned that some of our teachers seem to be obsessed of the idea of teaching doctrine that cannot be substantiated and making comments beyond what the Lord has actually said. You asked about the birth of the Savior. Never have I talked about sexual intercourse between Deity and the mother of the Savior. If teachers were wise in speaking of this matter about which the Lord has said but very little, they would rest their discussion on this subject with merely the words which are recorded on this subject in Luke 1:34-35: Then said Mary unto the angel, How shall this be, seeing I know not a man? And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. “Remember that the being who was brought about by [Mary’s] conception was a divine personage. We need not question His method to accomplish His purposes. Perhaps we would do well to remember the words of Isaiah 55:8-9: For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts Let the Lord rest His case with this declaration and wait until He sees fit to tell us more.” (The Teachings of Harold B. Lee, ed. Clyde J. Williams Sincerely Yours, Harold B Lee (Private Letter January 2nd 1969)
Mormonism LIVE: 083: The Best Books for Diving into the Messiness of Mormonism
Jul 07, 2022
If one is finally at a place where they really want to understand both sides, really want to wrestle with their faith, what are the books that best introduce the believer to the complex history, the fallibility of prophets, and the trauma of Mormon influence? Bill and RFM seek to lay out a list of books that introduce the reader to a more full picture of Mormonism, of the Prophet Joseph Smith, and of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and it leaders since that spring morning in 1820.
Radio Free Mormon: 250: The “Keep Sweet” Movie Review!
Jul 03, 2022
RFM is joined once again by Scott from Rameumptom Ruminations to review the controversial series about Warren Jeffs and the FLDS Church, “Keep Sweet: Pray and Obey“!
I had a wonderful time producing this review with Scott and hope you enjoy it, too!
We sit down with Former BYU Professor, and author of the book “This Is My Doctrine: The Development of Mormon Theology”, Charley Harrell to dive into several important assumptions Mormonism and its leaders and members impose in order to cleanly define doctrine. But do these really hold up? Can the word Doctrine as used within the LDS Church be defined in such a way that any imposed definition can be dependable?
A.) What is Church doctrine?
Dictionary Definition = Doctrine comes from the Latin Doctrina which means “teachings.” The first definition that comes up in a Google search is from the Oxford English Dictionary:
“a belief or set of beliefs held and taught by a Church, political party, or other group. ‘the doctrine of predestination’”
So essentially, religious doctrines are simply the teachings or beliefs of a particular religion.
Generally Understood = The term “doctrine” is generally used in the Church to refer either to propositional statements about God and his works or to explanatory narratives about how God operates in the world. Propositional statements include: God has a body, God created the world, Christ died for the sins of the world. Explanatory narratives include: How the world came to be, How the priesthood works, How the Church was lost and restored, How the atonement and plan of salvation work.
“Official” doctrine comprises those teachings which are found in the scriptures, current Church publications, and are agreed upon by the First Presidency and Quorum of the 12.
We should share briefly that LDS leaders have attempted to define doctrine in ways that expose that the word is fluid and simply doesn’t hold up to scrutiny or critical thinking.
What does this definition say about doctrines that were widely taught in prior times and no longer taught today?
Plural Marriage (MY EXPERIENCE IN HIGH PRIEST GROUP ABOUT DOCTRINE)
Reason for the priesthood ban
Lamanite identification
Does the fact that it has to be taught by everyone in the 1st presidency and Q12 impose an unreasonably high bar?
WASN’T THERE AT TIME NOT TOO LONG AGO WHEN DOCTRINE WAS ESTABLISHED FIRST BY WHETHER THE PROPHET SAID IT; THEN BY WHETHER IT WAS A FIRST PRESIDENCY STATEMENT; THEN (NOW) BY WHETHER ALL FIFTEEN AGREE? IT SEEMS THAT THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE FIRST PRESIDENCY AND QUORUM OF TWELVE HAVE ALL BUT DISAPPEARED AT LEAST WHEN IT COMES TO ESTABLISHING DOCTRINE
Does Elder Anderson’s doctrine of doctrine meet his own criteria of doctrine?
D. Todd Christofferson “At the same time it should be remembered that not every statement made by a Church leader, past or present, necessarily constitutes doctrine. It is commonly understood in the Church that a statement made by one leader on a single occasion often represents a personal, though well-considered, opinion, not meant to be official or binding for the whole Church. The Prophet Joseph Smith taught that “a prophet [is] a prophet only when he [is] acting as such.”” Periodical = https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2012/04/the-doctrine-of-christ?lang=eng
QUESTION: WHEN IS A PROPHET ACTING AS SUCH IF NOT WHEN HE IS ADDRESSING THE CHURCH IN HIS ROLE AS PROPHET? IT SHOULD REALLY BE VERY SIMPLE; NOT A GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARD EVERY TIME A PROPHET SPEAKS AS A PROPHET AND GETS IT WRONG.
The Church makes several claims about Mormon doctrines that together can be said to constitute the doctrine of LDS doctrine. But are these claims really warranted by empirical evidence?
B.) Claims vs Realities
Claim: Mormon doctrine derives primarily from the Standard Works and official statements of the Church leadership.
The Church Newsroom states, “[Our] doctrine resides in the four ‘standard works’ of scripture (the Holy Bible, the Book of Mormon, the Doctrine and Covenants and the Pearl of Great Price), official declarations and proclamations, and the Articles of Faith.” (LDS Newsroom 2007)
THIS IS WHAT I WAS SURPRISED TO SEE IN THE WRITINGS OF BRM AND JFS; THAT DOCTRINE IS ESTABLISHED BY THE STANDARD WORKS; THAT IS WHY THEY ARE CALLED THE STANDARD WORKS; AND IF ANY LEADER TEACHES SOMETHING CONTRARY TO THE STANDARD WORKS, YOU CAN KNOW IT IS NOT CORRECT.
Reality: Doctrine doesn’t just jump out of the scriptures, it has to be interpreted by the reader. LDS doctrine, therefore, doesn’t actually “reside” in the scriptures, but in the Church’s interpretation of the scriptures. Further, since scripture is not univocal, one must pick and choose which passages to use. So in reality Mormon doctrine derives from a biased selection of scriptural fragments, often taken out of context, that are cobbled together to construct a doctrinal view.
Things not in the scriptures or misunderstood become hard truths within the Church – April 6th & Take, for example, the three degrees of glory…
Things that are in the scriptures are discarded or altered once worldly evidence comes to be accepted. (flood, tower of babel, 6000 year old earth, racism, april 6th)
Claim: Church doctrines are eternal truths. The underlying logic is that, Because God is a God of truth and would never lie, all of the teachings he reveals through his prophets are true.
Joseph Smith – “I never told you I was perfect; but there is no error in the revelations which I have taught” (HC, 6:366).
Reality: Many doctrines have been shown to be in error, especially when disproven by science (age of the earth, of man, etc.) and therefore changed or even discarded.
Doctrine and Truth intersect at some points, but the circle of LDS doctrine is not the same as or even a subset of the circle of truth.
Claim: As a corollary to above, if a prophet speaks under the influence of the Holy Ghost, it is going to be God’s word and therefore be true. And we can know a prophet is inspired by the witness of the HG to us.
Reality: There are many examples where prophets claimed to be speaking under the power of the HG, and yet their teachings were later rejected. (There are also many examples where members knew those doctrines were true through spiritual means and such has since been disavowed) Furthermore, what we deem to be spiritual promptings are suspect and inconsistent.
A major problem with relying on feelings is that neither we nor a prophet can know for certain when the HG is inspiring us. Like Richard Bushman said regarding patriarchs, we are all just doing the best we can to try to recognize the voice of God.
The circular reasoning behind inspiration is apparent: The Church asks us to pray to know whether its teachings are true, but insists that the Spirit will only witness what the Church teaches to be true.
Claim: Doctrine, because it is eternal truth, is consistent throughout scripture and prophetic teachings.
Reality: The doctrinal teachings of scripture are not consistent. Some passages speak of God as a spirit, others refer to him as having a body of flesh and bones. So to speak of any scriptural doctrine as though scripture is univocal is unsustainable. Example: Christ preaching to spirits in prison.
Claim: Doctrine, because it is eternal truth, never changes over time, and the same doctrines taught today were taught to Adam and the other ancient prophets.
a.) “Those who observe us say that we are moving into the mainstream of religion. We are not changing. The world’s perception of us is changing. We teach the same doctrine. We have the same organization.” – Gordon B. Hinckley
Reality: Many doctrines have changed over time. In fact, as shown in my book, there isn’t a single major doctrine of the Church that hasn’t changed with time, especially if we go back to biblical times.
The doctrinal teachings of the Bible are significantly different from those taught in the Church today, including the nature of God, preexistence, the Fall and nature of man, the afterlife, ordinances of salvation, etc.
When a doctrinal change occurs, Church leaders might give one or more of the following explanations to camouflage the change, so it appears that no change has occurred: (1) the doctrine has simply broadened, (2) we have always taught it this way, (3) prior prophets were speaking as men, or (4) what changed was a policy, not a doctrine.. AND (4) IT ISN’T A CHANGE; IT IS A CLARIFICATION. (RFM)
In cases where a new doctrine is introduced that is unsupported by or contradicts the Bible, the assertion is sometimes made that it is because it was altered or removed by the great and abominable church. Biblical scholarship has shown, however, that the Bible (both Old and NT) has been passed down with reasonable integrity and that there is no major loss or change from the oldest extant texts.
Note: The fact that the Church defines Doctrine as eternal, unchanging truth makes one wonder if the Church has any doctrines at all, since virtually all of its doctrines have undergone change. Perhaps the Church should either use a different term or redefine what doctrine means.
Claim: Doctrinal development (we can’t call it change) always results in progressively better doctrines. And thus God leads us towards greater light and knowledge.
Joseph Fielding Smith – “It is true that a divine revelation admits of no change, but it may admit of additional knowledge or development and information….His word to man comes in steps, piecemeal, as his servants are prepared to receive it. But there will be no conflict between the part first revealed, and the latter part revealed, they will harmonize.“ Joseph Fielding Smith, Man: His Origin and Destiny, 470. My emphasis.470.
(This view is even held by LDS intellectuals such as Terryl Givens, Sam Brown, etc.)
Reality: There is no preordained path along which doctrine unfolds to a fullness of truth. Instead there were unforeseen twists and turns, zigs and zags, which could have led to radically different outcomes. It is only the particular random forces at play that caused each doctrine to turn out like it has so far.
For example the LDS doctrine of God’s nature reflected contemporary Christan ideas. Then the literalistic folk ideas encountered by JS resulted in God being given flesh and bones. Many of the teachings in the BoM (creation, eternal punishment, fate of those who die without knowledge of the gospel, second coming, etc.) also reflected contemporary ideas known to JS and were later modified as he became exposed to more literalistic and fringe religious ideas.
Other doctrines are simply quietly discarded (Lamanite identity, reasons for blacks being denied priesthood, Adam-God, Blood atonement, Polygamy necessary for exaltation, etc.)
As to whether doctrinal modification yields greater light and knowledge, we really have no way of knowing. Karen Armstrong wrote that religious ideas have “not evolved from one point and progressed in a linear fashion to a final conception. Scientific notions work like that but the ideas of art and religion do not.”
One could certainly argue that the priesthood ban and introduction of plural marriage were steps backward and not forward. To its credit, the church has discarded several of its doctrines which conflict with science, but only after years of pushing back and only when the scientific view had become irrefutable and widely accepted.
Claim: As promised in the 9th article of faith, we believe that God will continue to reveal many great and important things pertaining to the kingdom of God. And trying to hold back the Lord from pouring knowledge on the Saints is like holding back the mighty Missouri river by sticking your hand in it.In recent years, and as part of the ongoing restoration of all things, the Lord has been especially active in rolling out new doctrines and expanding existing ones. Pres. Nelson – “If you think the Church has been fully restored, you’re just seeing the beginning. There is much more to come. … Wait till next year. And then the next year. Eat your vitamin pills. Get your rest. It’s going to be exciting.” Russell M. Nelson, in “Latter-day Saint Prophet, Wife and Apostle Share Insights of Global Ministry,” Oct. 30, 2018, newsroom.ChurchofJesusChrist.org.
Reality: The kinds of things that are being “restored” are all minor and pertain to procedural and organizational issues. There is little, if any, further light and knowledge on doctrinal matters.
In fact, on doctrinal matters, there has actually been a roll back, so that we know less now then we did before.
Lamanite identity
age of the earth
time of the second coming and millennium
why blacks were denied the priesthood and temple blessings
the general geography of the BoM
that plural marriage was required for the highest exaltation
How the BoM was translated
Location of Garden of Eden
Adam-God
That we would become just like God and not only get our own world but create worlds of our own
Notice that these are all doctrines that history, science and cultural pressures have caused the church to rethink. More and more, the answer to questions for which we used to have answers for is, “We don’t know” or “we don’t teach that.”
It was taught to us that having prophets meant we were continually receiving new truth which was added to what we have and the reality is that by having prophets we actually are reducing the number of things we are certain about and are pulling past doctrines off the truth cart. Hence by having prophets we know less and less compared to what we used to.
Claim: we can be certain about all of our claims regarding Church doctrine, because we have the testimony of scripture, modern prophets and witness of the Holy Ghost.
Reality: These claims don’t warrant the level of certainty that leaders often place on them and which lead members to blindly accept them without investigation. It isn’t that the Church makes so many claims about doctrine that is disturbing, but the certainty they place in these claims.
Consider Pres. Oak’s absolute certainty about gender being eternally determined and fixed in the recent April general conference, stating that it is “founded on irrevocable doctrine.” And this is a doctrine that isn’t found anywhere in the scriptures and collides with the lived experience of many.
A few years back Peter Enns wrote a great book called “the Sin of Certainty.” In my mind, that still remains the greatest roadblock to doctrinal progress in the Church. In spite of minor improvements, there is a long way to go. How long will it take before the church relaxes its position, for example, that “gender is eternal.”
C.) Conclusion: The doctrine of LDS doctrine is a set of highly questionable truth claims that renders all other doctrines suspect.
What is the future outlook for LDS doctrine? Are there any signs that Church leaders may be starting to recognize the unsustainability of these claims?
Mormonism LIVE: 081: A Failure of the Priesthood
Jun 26, 2022
Aleesha Franklin, daughter of Ponzi-scheme magnate Gaylen Rust, returns to Mormonism LIVE to share her personal story of how a catastrophic failure of Priesthood Leadership, both local and general, led to her disaffection from the LDS Church
Radio Free Mormon: 249: Defender of the Faith, Lecture 11, Grace v. Works–Conclusion
Jun 25, 2022
RFM concludes his Biblical analysis of the perennial argument concerning the roles of grace and works in salvation. Mormon apologetics has never been this much fun!
This is a recording of an Institute Class taught by RFM at the University of Texas at Austin Institute Building in the spring semester of 1989.
Radio Free Mormon: 248: A Fathers’ Day Special Episode
Jun 19, 2022
I want to commemorate Fathers’ Day by playing some stories told by my father back in 2009 before his passing in 2011. And it’s not my fault if the majority of his stories seem to center around me.
I love you, Dad. I miss you. And I’m glad I got to have you for my father.
Happy Fathers’ Day, everyone!
Radio Free Mormon: 247: The Patriarchal Blessing from Hell!
Jun 18, 2022
What happens when a Patriarch gives a blessing with serious ramifications to LDS Church leadership? Quite a bit, as it turns out! Tune in and find out what happens in this amazing but true story of a patriarchal blessing gone amok!
Mormonism LIVE: 080: The Patriarchal Blessing Connection
Jun 16, 2022
RFM and Bill take a look at Patriarchal Blessings looking at what these are and what they are not and even take a look at multiple Patriarchal Blessings from the same patriarchs attempting to untangle inspiration from the rote and mundane.
RFM and Bill take a look at Patriarchal Blessings looking at what these are and what they are not and even take a look at multiple Patriarchal Blessings from the same patriarchs attempting to untangle inspiration from the rote and mundane.
OVERVIEW AND ELDRED G. SMITH
Patriarchal Blessings are to declare lineage, and then to give direction, counsel and promise predicated on worthiness.
Patriarchs in every stake now; but the Church Patriarch Office has been done away with.
Brief Clip from Eldred G. Smith in 1976 General Conference so we can remember what it used to be like when we had a Church Patriarch.
Eldred was a frequent speaker in general conference, and spoke about patriarchal blessings but only before 1971 when they started putting up the general conference talks at the church’s website.
At least this gives a sample of what he sounded like.
OVERVIEW OF PATRIARCHAL BLESSINGS
Saints Unscripted with Patriarch on the Show!
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It is revelation from God; all the promises will be fulfilled; it is personal scripture to the recipient.
October 1986 General Conference—Thomas S. Monson—Second Counselor in First Presidency
Who is this man, this patriarch, through whom such seership and priesthood power flow? How is he called? The Council of the Twelve Apostles has special responsibility pertaining to the calling of such men. From my own experience I testify that patriarchs are called of God by prophecy. How else could our Heavenly Father reveal those to whom such prophetic powers are to be given? A patriarch holds an ordained office in the Melchizedek Priesthood. The patriarchal office, however, is one of blessing—not of administration.
NOTE: WHY IS IT THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE APOSTLES TO CALL A PATRIARCH WHEN IT IS DETERMINED BY LINEAGE?
NOTE: WHY DOES PRESIDENT MONSON FEEL COMPELLED TO ADD THE LANGUAGE, THAT THE PATRIARCHAL OFFICE IS ONE OF BLESSING, “NOT ONE OF ADMINISTRATION”?
PATRIARCHAL BLESSINGS NOT TO BE SHARED
Gospel Topics Essay on Church Website under “Patriarchal Blessings”
Patriarchal blessings are sacred and personal. They may be shared with immediate family members, but should not be read aloud in public or read or interpreted by others. Not even the patriarch or bishop or branch president should interpret it.
A patriarchal blessing is a revelation to the recipient, even a white line down the middle of the road, to protect, inspire, and motivate activity and righteousness. A patriarchal blessing literally contains chapters from your book of eternal possibilities. I say eternal, for just as life is eternal, so is a patriarchal blessing. What may not come to fulfillment in this life may occur in the next. We do not govern God’s timetable. “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the Lord.
“For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts” (Isa. 55:8–9).
NOTE: WE ALREADY GET THE APOLOGETIC FOR WHEN PATRIARCHAL BLESSINGS DO NOT COME TO PASS.
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Your patriarchal blessing is yours and yours alone. It may be brief or lengthy, simple or profound. Length and language do not a patriarchal blessing make. It is the Spirit that conveys the true meaning. Your blessing is not to be folded neatly and tucked away. It is not to be framed or published. Rather, it is to be read. It is to be loved. It is to be followed. Your patriarchal blessing will see you through the darkest night. It will guide you through life’s dangers. (NOTE: ORIGINAL SAYS “IT WILL PROTECT YOU.”) Unlike the struggling bomber of yesteryear, lost in the desert wastes, the sands and storms of life will not destroy you on your eternal flight. Your patriarchal blessing is to you a personal Liahona to chart your course and guide your way.
NOTE: QUESTION ABOUT LENGTH OF PATRIARCHAL BLESSING OBLIQUELY ANSWERED; BECAUSE OF THE IDEA THAT A LONGER BLESSING IS A BETTER BLESSING.
PATRIARCHAL BLESSINGS DURING THE PRIESTHOOD BAN
Digest of the minutes of the meeting of the patriarchs of the church with the General Authorities
held in Barratt Hall, Salt Lake City, Utah, Saturday, October 11, 1958, at 8:00 A.M.
From Later Patriarchal Blessings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pgs 559-563.
Compiled by H. Michael Marquardt, published by The Smith-Pettit Foundation, Salt Lake City, 2012
Now here is a problem which to me is serious. A patriarch gave a blessing to an individual who had Negro blood in his veins and said you are of the House of Israel and entitled to all the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. A Negro cannot hold the priesthood and not holding the priesthood they cannot, until the Lord removes the restriction, enter into the exaltation of the kingdom of God and that would not entitle them to all of the blessings of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. That is a very serious matter and we should be extremely careful to know the Lord is speaking to us because Negroes cannot receive the fullness. A Negro may come into the Church and we can do more for him than any other church on the face of the earth. If he is baptized and is faithful and true, he can enter the celestial kingdom, but he does not get exaltation, but as I understand it, the Lord will, in due time, remove the restrictions. Not in this world but the time will come, if the Negro receives the gospel and is true to the end, he may go to the celestial kingdom and when the right time comes the restrictions will be removed and he may receive all of the blessings. Now the reason as stated by President Brigham Young and some of the other brethren that the Negro cannot receive the priesthood is two fold. One is their own fault because of their attitude in the spirit world. They were not valiant for some cause which the Lord does not explain, and they were barred from receiving the priesthood but they were not barred from birth into this world, and were not denied the right to have a body. If he is faithful in his second estate, the time will come when these restrictions will be removed.
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We have a young man who joined the Church and there is a question as to his lineage. Is there any reason why they couldn’t call upon the patriarch to see if he could give it to them, to see whether or not they have colored blood?
A patriarch has the right to have inspiration in a case of that kind. In a case where there might be a person suspected of having Negro blood, but it is not certain, they could go to a patriarch. He has the right to inspiration. In such a case the bishop should have the right inspiration too. There are some cases where I suppose no one could tell but the Lord.
President James B. Faust gave 3/30/1980 BYU Talk on Patriarchal Blessings
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Elder Faust says that if not fulfilled in this life, will be fulfilled in the next
THEN gives example of his father’s patriarchal blessing that said he would be blessed with “many beautiful daughters,” but had five sons.
Moral—Even when the blessing doesn’t come to pass, it comes to pass.
Heads I win, tails you lose.
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LINEAGE
Apologetic for why it is people in same family are of different tribes.
SPENCER W. KIMBALL ON REPETITIVE BLESSINGS
Digest of the minutes of the meeting of the patriarchs of the church with the General Authorities
held in Barratt Hall, Salt Lake City, Utah, Saturday, October 11, 1958, at 8:00 A.M.
From Later Patriarchal Blessings of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, pgs 559-563.
Compiled by H. Michael Marquardt, published by The Smith-Pettit Foundation, Salt Lake City, 2012
You would do well, since you have no counselors, if you took two or three of your blessings occasionally to your stake president and say, “Would you kindly glance over these blessings to see if you have any suggestions for me.” Sometimes we get in ruts. Sometimes when we give so many blessings, we use the same phraseology over and over until it has little meaning. Each blessing is individual; each person only receives one blessing in their lifetime; therefore you don’t give them routine. Every blessing is very special to that individual.
Patriarch Robert Patterson—BYU—2000
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He goes over the main failsafes to patriarchal blessings; that just because a blessing isn’t stated, it doesn’t mean it won’t happen; and if a promise is stated, it doesn’t mean it will happen.
Talk about a rigged system!
“Unknown to me . . .” this from a patriarch! LOL!
Heads I win. Tails you lose.
Radio Free Mormon: 246: Movie Review! Under the Banner of Heaven!
Jun 14, 2022
Tonight I am joined by my good friend Scott, the host of Rameumpton Ruminations, to review the Hulu series, “Under the Banner of Heaven.”
RFM and RR–Putting the fun back into fundamentalism!
Mormonism LIVE: 079: Mormonism’s History of The Holy Garments
Jun 09, 2022
Bill & RFM take a look at Mormonism’s Holy Garments. We look at the history, doctrine, and disavowed theories and spiritual speculation around them. Are they a magical spiritual protection? Were they allowed to have their design changed? Must they be worn all day every day? What super secret sacred details will Bill and RFM uncover?
RADIO FREE MORMON: 245: From TBM to RFM, Part 2
Jun 04, 2022
RFM sits down with John Dehlin of Mormon Stories to discuss how RFM graduated from Mormonism after spending forty-years as a member.
Mormonism LIVE: 078: Mormon Affinity Fraud
Jun 02, 2022
RFM & Bill take a look at Affinity Fraud in Utah and that which seems to have a root in taking advantage of unhealthy boundaries of trust within Mormonism. Affinity Fraud is a type of investment fraud in which a con artist targets members of an identifiable group based on things such as race, age, religion, etc. The fraudster either is or pretends to be, a member of the group. Often the fraudster promotes a Ponzi or pyramid scheme. Mormons are taught to trust their leaders, those who have a bright countenance, those with the Priesthood, Those who seem to be successful at Church or in business, and Mormons over non-Mormons. These often have members of the Church being particularly vulnerable to such rackets
Radio Free Mormon: 244: The Dan Lafferty Interview
May 28, 2022
In July of 2000, on the sixteenth anniversary of the double-murders of Brenda and Erica Lafferty, Utah radio host Tom Barberi arranged an interview with Dan Lafferty who was, and continues to be, serving a life-sentence in prison.
Dan Lafferty relates in horrific detail the events leading up to the murders, as well as the murders themselves.
*TRIGGER WARNING*–Due to the graphic nature of the events covered in the interview, this podcast is not suitable for all audiences.
Mormonism LIVE: 077: Jared Halverson & The Games Apologists Play
May 26, 2022
Bill and RFM review a handful of clips from LDS Apologist, Jared Halverson. The discussion revolves around the games apologists play. These often include creating a framework and solutions to problems that to the believer seem tenable but when closely examined often hinge on fallacies or irrational thinking. The Apologist sees creating plausibility as a win. But such ideas and frameworks for thinking are often full of holes and less than the most rational answer.
Radio Free Mormon: 243: An Evangelical Talks With RFM!
May 21, 2022
RFM gets interviewed by Steven Pynnaker of Mormon Book Reviews. Steve is an Evangelical Christian and a scholar of all things Mormon, to boot! Both Steve and RFM touch on a number of interesting subjects in this two-hour interview.
Mormonism LIVE: 076: “Get Rid of the Facsimiles!” says Faithful Mormon Scholar
May 19, 2022
Mormon Scholar Dan Vogel comes on the show once more to discuss last week’s episode of Mormonism LIVE as well as to discuss other new insights surrounding the Book of Abraham that seem to close the door on the “Missing Scroll Theory” and the Catalyst Theory”.
Radio Free Mormon: 242: “Under the Banner of Heaven” and Greek Tragedy
May 14, 2022
I am often asked the question, “Why is it that some Mormons will avoid negative information about the LDS Church at all costs, while other Mormons will research the negative information regardless of where it may lead?”
This is the very issue dealt with in “Under the Banner of Heaven” as well as in the most famous Greek Tragedy of them all! RFM explores both in order to shed light on what motivates these two types of Mormons, and comes to some surprising conclusions!
Mormonism Live: 075: Fugate’s Kinderhook Fugazi
May 12, 2022
Bill and RFM tell the story of the Kinderhook Plates episode in Mormon history in Mormonism Live fashion. From original Documents to Conspiracy Theories to a honest transparent conversation around the facts. We discuss the history, the tests done to attempt to discern their dating and method of inscription, the Church’s commentary around them, and even their connection to the Book of Abraham. You won’t want to miss this!
A. The setup for the Kinderhook dig
April 16th 1843 – Robert Wiley – excavation of Indian Burial- Kinderhook Illinois
Dream 3 nights in a row to dig there – Playing on Joseph Smith connection?
hired men to dig with him – shaft 10 feet down (RFM indicates that there are multiple reports of varying depths)
discovered skeleton and 6 bell shaped brass plates covered with symbols
One of the men was a Mormon Church member
B.) Joseph hears reports (likely the mormon in the dig) and requests to see the plates
Joseph Smith examines them
States he won’t translate them them until they are sent off to various Antiquarian Societies
What would have been the timeframe to mail something to these antiquarian societies and to get a response back? Would he have mailed the plates? An impression sketch? We have one witness – years removed (The Fugate letter to a Mr. Cobb was written in 1878/1879)
There may have been a translation manuscript but if so it has been lost.
Folks are making tracing of the kinderhook plates in Smith’s possession
C.) Joseph attempts some sort of translation
Smith’s private secretary, William Clayton, recorded that upon receiving the plates, Smith sent for his “Hebrew Bible & Lexicon”, possibly suggesting that he might try to translate the plates by conventional means, rather than by use of a seer stone or direct revelation.
On 1 May 1843, Clayton wrote in his journal: and as published in multiple places, “I have seen 6 brass plates … covered with ancient characters of language containing from 30 to 40 on each side of the plates. Prest J. [Joseph Smith] has translated a portion and says they contain the history of the person with whom they were found and he was a descendant of Ham through the loins of Pharaoh king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the ruler of heaven and earth. Joseph Smith planned to translate the plates in their entirety. The editors of the Nauvoo Neighbor (apostles John Taylor and Wilford Woodruff), promised in a June 1843 article that “The contents of the plates, together with a Fac-simile of the same, will be published in the ‘Times and Seasons,’ as soon as the translation is completed.” Page from William Clayton Diary, with tracing of a plate, and Smith’s translation The History of the Church also states Smith said the following- “I have translated a portion of [the plates] and find they contain the history of the person with whom they were found. He was a descendant of Ham, through the loins of Pharaoh, king of Egypt, and that he received his kingdom from the ruler of heaven and earth.”
Joseph interaction with the plates was published as a broadside in the Times and Seasons (Images below)
D.) What the Church and community had to say about the Kinderhook Moment 1.) “Why does the circumstance of the plates recently found in a mound in Pike County, Ill., by Mr. Wiley, together with the ethnology and a thousand other things, go to prove the Book of Mormon true? – Ans. [Answer] Because it is true!” – Times and Seasons, v. 5, p. 406
2.) “The new work which Jo. Is about to issue as a translation of these [Kinderhook] plates will be nothing more nor less than a sequel to the Book of Mormon…” –Warsaw Signal, May 22, 1844 3.) “The contents of the plates, together with a Facsimile of the same, will be published in the ‘Times and Seasons,’ as soon as the translation is completed.” – The Nauvoo Neighbor, June 1843 Sadly the translation portion of the story ends there. Had JS finished this project it would have been as strong an evidence as any that he was a fraud. But he gets a sentence or two in and stops….. For some strange reason. But the story itself still has some telling to be told
The New York herald. [volume], May 30, 1843, Image 2
E.) The moment the accusation of a scam is suggested
April 25, 1856, W. P. Harris, who was one of the nine witnesses to the discovery of the plates, wrote a letter in which he stated that the plates were not genuine: “…I was present with a number at or near Kinderhook and helped to dig at the time the plates were found… I… made an honest affidavit to the same…. since that time, Bridge Whitten said to me that he cut and prepared the plates and he… and R. Wiley engraved them themselves…. Wilbourn Fugit appeared to be the chief, with R. Wiley and B. Whitten.” (The Book of Mormon?, by James D. Bales, pp. 95-96)
James T. Cobb, step-son of Brigham Young, wrote to Wilber Fugate in 1879 (1878?). Fugate responds: “I received your letter in regard to those plates, and will say answer they are a humbug, gotten up by Robert Wiley, Bridge Whitten, and myself. We read in Pratt’s prophecy (a missionary tract written by Parley P Pratt) that ‘truth would spring up out of the earth.’ We concluded to prove the prophecy by way of a joke… Bridge Whitten cut them [the plates] out some pieces of copper Wiley and I made the hieroglyphics by making impressions on beeswax and filling them with acid and putting it on the plates.”
Fugate wrote of their creation: “Bridge Whitton cut them (the plates) out of some pieces of copper; Wiley and I made the hieroglyphics by making impressions on beeswax and filling them with acid and putting it on the plates. When they were finished we put them together with rust made of nitric acid, old iron and lead, and bound them with a piece of hoop iron, covering them completely with rust.”
F.) Church complicates matters by altering the historical record and withholding records back
History of The Church
Adding to the mess was the official publication History of the Church written and complied by several individuals who essentially put words into Joseph Smith’s mouth, after he was dead, and not all of what they wrote was factual. The LDS Church perceived this magnificent translation episode to be so important that, when it tasked B.H. Roberts with preparing its foremost publication in 1930, History of the Church, it converted Clayton’s words into Joseph’s first-person voice. The Church dedicated eight valuable pages to sharing the story of the Kinderhook plates, likely at least in part, because the story bolstered the otherwise unsupported notion that inscribing Egyptian characters onto thin metal plates was a valid method of recordkeeping in the ancient Americas.
Historian D. Michael Quinn explained, “Joseph Smith’s autobiographical “History” was written in large part after his death by clerks and “historians” who transformed third-person accounts by others than Joseph Smith into first-person autobiography of Joseph Smith, and that between the first serialized publication of the history D Michael Quinn D Michael Quinn (1840s-1860s) and the seven-volume edition of the History of the Church in the twentieth century, there have been thousands of deletions and additions not noted in the text or footnotes. This is certainly all true, and as an historian I regret the confusion that such editorial practices have caused. Nevertheless, until quite recently official LDS history was written by men (often of limited education) who were not trained in methods of editing and history.”
G.) A Kinderhook plate surfaces
In 1920 a surviving plate from the set turned up at the Chicago Historical Society.
In 1845, a Dr. Joseph Nash McDowell established a college of medicine in St. Louis. The college had a museum of natural history that contained 3,000 items, among them “Antiquities, &c. of our country.” W. P. Harris, in his letter of 1855, said he had heard from a fellow physician “that R Wiley graduated [from the college] since finding the plates … and that Dr. Professor McDowell on surgery has the plates now in his office.” It is now apparent that Wiley either sold or gave the Kinderhook plates to McDowell for the museum. McDowell was a southern sympathizer who left St. Louis to serve the Confederacy as a physician during the Civil War. This made him very unpopular in St. Louis, and when the U.S. Army seized his college in 1861 for use as a prison, the 2nd Iowa Reserve Regiment sacked it.7 The Chicago Historical Society received one of the plates in 1920 as a gift from Charles F. Gunther, a noted collector of historical artifacts. Gunther had acquired it on 15 July 1889 from F. C. A. Richardson, M.D. (a member of both the St. Louis and the Chicago Academies of Science). Richardson in turn received it from a Dr. J. W. McDowell (not the same man as Dr. Joseph Nash McDowell), who got it from a soldier in the 2nd Iowa Reserve Regiment.
In 1953 it was examined by two engravers who made an affidavit stating that “to the best of our knowledge this Plate was engraved with a pointed instrument and not etched with acid”
Notice the Time Lapse between when it is discovered to be a fraud 1879, when a plate turns up 1920, and when the Church on some level acknowledges the critic’s claim suggesting it is a fraud in 1962. Then notice the Apologetics around it. And notice their conclusion that their experts have determined it to be an engraving and hence the Kinderhook plates are still evidence of JS’s divine mission (Sunken Cost).
A much more rigorous study of the Chicago plate was organized in 1969 by Dr. Paul Cheesman of Brigham Young University. He secured permission from the Chicago Historical Society to bring the plate to BYU for exhaustive non-destructive testing—that is, analytical tests not involving actual damage to the plate. The results of these tests were to be compared with previous tests performed in 1960 and 1966. The plate was examined by physicists, engravers, a jeweler, a metalworker, and several photographers, with mixed results. The physicists concluded that the plate was acid-etched and of non-ancient brass; the others could not agree whether it was etched, engraved, or both. Dr. Cheesman concluded: “It appears we need to have a destructive analysis for further confirmation. Much more testing needs to be done.”
Finally the actual “Conclusive Test” the church accepts as true
Stanley B Kimball – There the matter rested until 1980, when I had the good fortune to secure permission from the Chicago Historical Society for the recommended destructive tests. These tests, involving some very sophisticated analytical techniques, were performed by Professor D. Lynn Johnson of the Department of Materials Science and Engineering at Northwestern University. “A recent electronic and chemical analysis of a metal plate… brought in 1843 to the Prophet Joseph Smith… appears to solve a previously unanswered question in Church history, helping to further evidence that the plate is what its producers later said it was – a nineteenth-century attempt to lure Joseph Smith into making a translation of ancient-looking characters that had been etched into the plates…. As a result of these tests, we concluded that the plate… is not of ancient origin…. the plate was etched with acid; and as Paul Cheesman and other scholars have pointed out, ancient inhabitants would probably have engraved the plates rather than etched them with acid. Secondly, we concluded that the plate was made from a true brass alloy (copper and zinc) typical of the mid nineteenth century: whereas the ‘brass’ of ancient times was actually bronze, an alloy of copper and tin.” – Stanley P. Kimball, Mormon scholar, The Ensign, Aug. 1981, pp. 66-70
I.) The Fallout
“The time has come to admit that the Kinderhook plate incident of 1843 was a light-hearted, heavy-handed, frontier-style prank, or ‘joke’ as the perpetrators themselves called it.” – Stanley P. Kimball, Mormon scholar, The Mormon Association Newsletter, June 1981
Adam Worthington couldn’t say for certain how long it took, since he worked on them in his free time. Probably a week? “I ordered 20 gauge brass and traced the outline in sharpie. I cut them out with a Dremel cut off wheel and sanded the edges to remove burrs. Then I traced the symbols in pencil and engraved them with a small diamond bit. I drilled out the hole at the top, and soldered a brass ring around them to keep them together. The original ring was made of wire that had rusted, so the brass ring is not accurate. They also should have been etched with nitric acid, but I thought engraving would be easier and less messy”
K.) Don Bradley and Mark Ashurst McGee and the BOA GAEL (We can Stop blaming William Clayton)
. “The gentlemen15 who found them were / unconnected with this church but have brought them to Joseph / Smith for examination & translation a large number of Citizens / here have seen them and compared the characters with / those on the Egyptian papyrus which is now in this / city. I have no time for particulars but you will hear more soon on this subject. I must now notice your letter. / 2 of the 3 witnesses to the book of Mormon have been cast off / from the church for some misconduct but have never / denied their testimony. we hope they will be restored again / soon. The other (Martin Harris) is still in the church” – Parley P. and Orson Pratt’s May 7th 1843 Letter to John Van Cott (<– LINK)
Analysis from historians Mark Ashurst-McGee and Don Bradley indicate that the translated “portion” mentioned by William Clayton and Parley P. Pratt comes from a single “boat-shaped” character in the Egyptian Alphabet (a vaguely similar character appears on one of the Kinderhook Plates facsimiles).
RFM – Does not the very nature of Joseph Smith using the GAEL to translate the Kinderhook plates run counter to the apologetics surrounding the Book of Abraham held by John Gee and Kerry Muhlstein?
L.) Reasons for not Translating them
The report never came back from the antiquities societies? “In any case, the translation for which hope had been expressed in the Times and Seasons did not appear. In a letter dated April 8, 1878, Wilbur Fugate recalled: “We understood Jo Smith said [the plates] would make a book of 1200 pages but he would not agree to translate them until they were sent to the Antiquarian society at Philadelphia, France, and England.””
He was deeply busy with other things The evidence from Joseph Smith’s journal for early May 1843 indicates that, “whatever JS initially thought about the plates, he soon lost interest in them.” The numerous entries in Joseph’s journal indicate that Joseph was busy entertaining several guests, holding court, attending business and religious meetings, overseeing economic transactions, and much more—but only one brief mention of the Kinderhook Plates is made. Some evidence even suggests Joseph wanted them examined by the Antiquarian Society of Philadelphia, so perhaps Joseph even suspected their fraudulence or had concluded that they were not religiously significant.
Joseph’s Death – If in fact he did send off some sort of representation of the plates to various antiquity societies, it would have taken months to get responses back and Joseph Smith died in June 1844
RFM & Bill- If in fact the Book of Mormon was a 19th Century Production, Joseph Smith of course would know that. Any surfacing of metal plates with etchings would have had his suspicion because he has literally written the book on this trick. Sending them off to the Antiquity Socities is another hint at his suspicion that these weren’t ancient. (A Person w/ real metal plates with writing is more likely to believe another set of plates with writing. A person who created a fake story and even set of plates with writing is going to be extremely suspicious of another set of plates surfacing. If he wonders “Are these real and in a language already known?” He can’t afford to translate them under that condition. If he suspects “Are they a scam setup to make me fail?” He can’t afford to translate them under that condition. What if he doesn’t translate at all? Doesn’t he have a gift? He perhaps feels he can’t leave them alone either. He does the only thing he can do. Give them the smallest sort of partial translation as possible and hinge it on a symbol that is real and within a legitimate document that can’t be translated outside of the translation you have provided.
At the End of the Show Don Bradley calls in and seems dumbfounded when asked to reconcile the problem after RFM and Bill decimate the two strongest theories that reconcile the BOA from a faithful perspective. and the Graphic below is the key piece to the catastrophic end of the Catalyst Theory as they demonstrate Joseph Smith’s reliance on a symbol in the Papyrus of Amenhotep which is the “Mouth” Symbol used in both the brief partial Kinderhook Translation as well as the Grammar and Alphabet of Egyptian Language AKA the GAEL connected to the Book of Abraham Sheet from the Papyrus of Amenhotepca. 1427–1390 B.C. RESOURCES: http://www.rickgrunder.com/VanNorman/Kinderhook%20Broadside/kinderhook.htm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinderhook_plates https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/kinderhook-plates?lang=eng https://mormonstories.org/truth-claims/the-books/kinderhook-plates/ https://rsc.byu.edu/no-weapon-shall-prosper/did-joseph-smith-translate-kinderhook-plates https://knowhy.bookofmormoncentral.org/knowhy/what-do-the-kinderhook-plates-reveal-about-joseph-smiths-gift-of-translation http://www.mormonthink.com/kinderhookweb.htm https://coldcasechristianity.com/writings/what-do-the-kinderhook-plates-reveal-about-joseph-smith/ https://archive.org/details/mss78theoschroederapril8th1878/mode/2up https://archive.org/details/improvementera6509unse/page/n21/mode/2up https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2022/05/Report-of-Phys-Study-of-KH-Plate-5.pdf https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/assets/e29df3b1-91f1-46f7-8882-a3b79e4f3662/0/0 https://cesletter.org/debunking-fairmormon/kinderhook-plates.html
Radio Free Mormon: 241: Mormonism’s Orthodox Religion
May 10, 2022
RFM gives a live presentation in American Fork, Utah. The subject is how Mormonism went from being a highly unorthodox religious sect to a worldwide religion with its own established orthodoxy. Through this understanding we can gain insight on how this affects our personal relationship with Mormonism, whether past, present or future.
Mormonism LIVE: 074: Sandra Tanner – Queen of the Anti-Mormons
May 05, 2022
RFM and Bill sit down with Sandra Tanner, a well known writer and researcher, on the critical side of Mormonism. We sit down with Sandra to discuss her impact within Mormonism and to touch on a few stories that viewers may find interesting.
Mormonism LIVE: 073: Lying For The Lord
Apr 28, 2022
In this week’s episode, Bill and RFM take a look at instances in Mormon History where LDS Leadership seem to be giving a stamp of approval to Leaders and Members to be dishonest, to lie, and to deceive. Once we understand the instruction and permissions given to be dishonest we can going forward see their deceptions and dishonesty within greater context.
Mormonism LIVE: 072: Neophytes & Lamanites In The Book of Mormon
Apr 21, 2022
We sit down with American anthropologist and Author, Thomas Murphy to discuss the Book of Mormon within the context of Native American History. We explore the legends and history of the indigenous people to see if there are connections there that help us examine the historicity of the Book of Mormon and the claims of Mormonism surrounding its imposition of Lamanites
Radio Free Mormon: 240: How Jesus Became the Savior
Apr 16, 2022
Did the original Christians expect Jesus to be crucified for the sins of the world? Or did they expect something else? Something very different? And if so, how did Jesus become the Savior worshipped by Christians today? These and other fascinating questions are explored in depth by RFM in this episode.
Bill and RFM dive into the apocryphal book of Judith and point out the many similarities between that apocryphal story and the Book of Mormon’s story about Nephi and his encounter and eventual beheading of Laban.
Radio Free Mormon: 239: RFM Goes Back to Church!
Apr 13, 2022
I went to the Saturday evening session of Stake Conference April 9th. So many of you wanted to know why I went and what happened, I decided to do a podcast about it!
Radio Free Mormon: 238: General Conference Post Mortem–April 2022–Saturday Morning Session
Apr 09, 2022
RFM is back to his old tricks, breaking down and analyzing General Conference as only he can!
Mormonism LIVE: 070: Critical Scholarship and Book of Abraham Historicity
Apr 07, 2022
RFM and Bill sit down once again with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe to examine the problems with the Book of Abraham as a translation of an ancient document in a sacred text for Mormonism generally and the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints specifically. Dan and Brent share their scholarship and help us grasp some of the messiness around this issue.
Mormonism LIVE: 069: Gaslighting From Mormon Leadership
Mar 31, 2022
Radio Free Mormon: 237: The Mormon Myth that Wouldn’t Die-UNPAID MINISTRY!
Mar 28, 2022
Tonight I do a deep dive on how the LDS Church has misled its members to believe that top church leaders are not paid. Then we go into the January 2017 leak that blew the lid off this myth to the tune of six-figure base salaries for General Authorities.
The amazing thing is that, in spite of being exposed in front of the entire world, the LDS Church continues to peddle the story that there is no paid ministry!
That’s why I call this episode, “The Mormon Myth that Wouldn’t Die”!
Buckle your seatbelts! It’s going to be a bumpy night!
Mormonism LIVE: 068: Out of Africa
Mar 25, 2022
RFM and Bill Reel sit down with special guests to discuss what The LDS Church looks like in Africa and how its membership upon this continent is affected uniquely.
Radio Free Mormon: 236: Ask Me Anything!!!
Mar 18, 2022
I was recently asked to do an AMA (Ask Me Anything) on Mormon Reddit. Lots of great questions were asked and I did my best to answer in the limited amount of time I had!
This episode is the audio version of the AMA, and includes some answers to questions that came in after the AMA was over!
Mormonism LIVE: 067: nuancehoe Carah Burrell
Mar 17, 2022
TikToker under name “nuancehoe”. In our conversation we delve into Prophets, Evolution, the argument against there being free will, and if time we hope to delve into dogma as debated by Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson Resources: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u45SP7Xv_oU
Mormonism LIVE: 066: David Bokovoy – Sex, Eden and The Family
Mar 10, 2022
RFM and Bill sit down with David Bokovoy and with a title like that, who knows where the conversation might go………… David Bokovoy holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible and the Ancient Near East and an MA in Near Eastern and Judaic Studies both from Brandeis University. He received his BA from Brigham Young University, majoring in History and minoring in Near Eastern Studies. In addition to his work in Mormon studies, David has published articles on the Hebrew Bible in a variety of academic venues including the Journal of Biblical Literature, Vetus Testamentum, Studies in the Bible and Antiquity, and theFARMS
RFM and Bill sit down with David Bokovoy and with a title like that, who knows where the conversation might go………… David Bokovoy holds a PhD in Hebrew Bible and the Ancient Near East and an MA in Near Eastern and Judaic Studies both from Brandeis University. He received his BA from Brigham Young University, majoring in History and minoring in Near Eastern Studies. In addition to his work in Mormon studies, David has published articles on the Hebrew Bible in a variety of academic venues including the Journal of Biblical Literature, Vetus Testamentum, Studies in the Bible and Antiquity, and theFARMS Review. He is the co-author of the book Testaments: Links Between the Book of Mormon and the Hebrew Bible. RESOURCES: https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26089486
RAMEUMPTOM RUMINATIONS: 040: A LAWYER’S DUTY TO TRUTH WITH RADIO FREE MORMON
Mar 10, 2022
This is an episode of Rameumptom Ruminations where Radio Free Mormon is interviewed. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has a track record of promoting lawyers among the ranks of the general authorities. In this very special episode, Scott brings in our resident ex-Mormon lawyer Radio Free Mormon into the Rameumptom Studio to chat about the overlap between his professional life and Mormonism.
Radio Free Mormon: 235: LDS LAW
Mar 03, 2022
RFM talks about his background in law from over thirty-years of practice, and applies those principles to the LDS Church. By the end, we start to get a good idea why it is the LDS Church seems to like to call lawyers to positions of leadership–especially over the Church Historian’s Office!
Mormonism LIVE: 065: Mormonism & The 30,000 Foot View
Mar 03, 2022
What happens when rather than get in close to the sticky issues of Mormonism you step back? In fact step back so far as to see the 30,000 foot view and look at what Mormonism has standing in the way of its truth claims. And how such speaks to just how reasonable and rational it is to release one’s belief in the faith and to step away having allowed oneself to be a rational logical critical thinking human being.
What happens when rather than get in close to the sticky issues of Mormonism you step back? In fact step back so far as to see the 30,000 foot view and look at what Mormonism has standing in the way of its truth claims. And how such speaks to just how reasonable and rational it is to release one’s belief in the faith and to step away having allowed oneself to be a rational logical critical thinking human being.
Scriptural Issues
Book of Mormon 19th Century Material
Book of Mormon Anachronisms
Plagiarism from New Testament
Book of Abraham issues
Bible Translation plagiarized from Adam Clarke’s commentary
Theological changes in canon over time
2nd and 3rd Isaiah
Spiritual Manifestation Issue
Moroni vs Nephi
First Vision Discrepancies
Seeing the Cumorah Cave in Palmyra New York in spite of being a clean hill
Peter James and John PH restoration added late
Moroni blessing Manti
Brigham Young Transfiguration
Issues with Joseph Smith’s Character
Lying about polygamy to Emma and others
Manipulating Lucy Walker
Pattern of approaching girls or young women in his home for intimate relationships (Lucy Walker, Fanny Alger, Partridge Sisters, Lawrence Sisters)
Polyandry
Nancy Rigdon & The Happiness Letter
Underage girls (two 14 year olds, two 16 year olds, two 17 year olds)
Treasure Digging
Other financial frauds: Kirtland anti-bank, land issues, bad loans
Science and Critical Thinking
Great Flood
Tower of Babel
Shiz rises after head cut off
2000 stripling warriors in a battle with a more experienced larger military force and not a single soul was lost not to the battle and not to infection afterwards inspite of many fainting from bloodloss
Battles in the Millions around Cumorah and what it takes to have military engagement that large
Moroni blessing Manti
Trans Oceanic Voyage
Lamanite DNA
Age of the earth & Evolution
Church Administration
Second Anointings
100’s of Billions of dollars saved in investments rather than solving world problems
Nepotism
Leaders are insulated and promote yes men
Well paid Leaders
SCMC
Past Prophetic Deception
Adam God Doctrine
Racial Curse and Racial Valiancy
Joseph Smith mock wedding with Partridge Sisters
Treasure Digging
Mountain Meadows (Brigham’s destruction of the marker and lying about it and blaming the Native Americans)
1890, 1904 Manifesto
1933 lying about the 1886 John Taylor Revelation
Modern Prophetic Deception
Elder Holland (BBC Interview, Story about missionary meeting his brother, Double Digit Stake Creation every week of our lives)
Paul Dunn
President Nelson (Flight of Death, Zimbabwe, Lady in the hat)
Bruce R McConkie lying about Brigham teaching Adam God
Elder Oaks lying about Electroshock Therapy at BYU under his presidency
Whitewashing and carefully worded denials of the Gospel Topic Essays
Tom Monson Jr
Quinton Cook – Hospital
Gordon B Hinkley “I don’t know that we teach it. I don’t know that we emphasize it”
Ronald Poelman and the re-do of his conference talk
False or embellished Faith Promoting stories
Seagulls and Crickets
Sweetwater Crossing
Holland, Nelson yarn stretchers
Brigham Young Transfiguration
Whale of a tale
Wilfor Woodruff Founding Fathers
Lorenzo Snow’s Jesus Visitation
Trauma Placed On Members
Temple (Sexism, Objectifying Women, Penalties)
One on One interviews with children and others by an untrained clergy
“Worthiness” interviews
Toxic Perfectionism
Patriarchy Marginalizing women
Marginalization of people of color
Destruction of idiginous people’s identity
“Indian Placement Program”
Diminishing those who lose faith with labels (chaff, lazy, sinful)
Not having a single good story about those who leave
Gaslighting people continuously regarding their history
All the harm with polygamy
Claiming Tithing will get you out of Poverty
Social Issues
Women have lesser place in mortality and in heaven
Church still currently maintains that God actually sorted people via their skin color (Be One Celebration)
Church imposes significant harm on LGBT members
Civil Rights was Communism
Not Proactive or reactive on Sexual Abuse
People who stop believing are less than and believers should stay at distance
Always 30-40 years late on almost every social issue in spite of being led by Prophets, Seers, and Revelators
Global/government influences: Defeating ERA, Prop 8, LDS Senator votes for Iraqi War “where boots go, missionaries follow,” the two LDS men (one a Bishop) part of US Govt torture program, cultural appropriation/erasure among Native Americans, Polynesians etc, lobbying against church clergy being mandatory reporters, attempt to make Utah a two-party recording consent state, etc
Stop here and discuss how every facet of Mormonism’s truth claims when dealt with logically are in favor of the critic. That when understood collectively, the only fall back Mormonism has is Spiritual Testimony. That in spite of all the issues, I still believe because I know by the Holy Ghost that it is true. Except the Holy Ghost doesn’t get a free pass
Ineffectiveness of the Holy Ghost as a tool to convey truth
Elevation Emotion
Illusory Truth Effect
Taking Seriously the Spiritual experiences of those outside your faith
How completely wrong past leaders were in spite of their “Knowing”
How wrong members have been at past times holding views with certainty when such views have been abandoned or disavowed
Holy Ghost can be tested and it does no better than no Holy Ghost
Leaders have been deceived
members have been deceived
And as if that isn’t enough if you apply the same critical thinking to Jesus of Nazareth you end up having another pillar of challenges that hits at the truth of Mormonism (Though I admit also all of Christianity)
Historical Jesus
Dating of New Testament Authors
Wrestling with New Testament gospel contradictions
Understanding the prevalent views of Biblical Criticism
How myths are created (Sapiens)
How stories easily get embellished (compare with Mormonism)
How much easier in an age of unverifiable history When supernatural happens and when it doesn’t Issues with the nativity narrative
BONUS ROUND (Not Covered In Episode)
Immoral, harmful beliefs taught as moral and good.
Problems with the concept of “fallen” man (unnecessary guilt and/or lack of personal accountability)
Idolizing parricide as act of “love” and “loyalty” (God + Abraham)
Justifying God’s abusive and narcissistic behaviors as “love”
Forgiveness expected for misbehaving leaders “give Brother Joseph a break”
Lack of empathy/blame for victims
Theological: the Flood, Hell for non-believers, misfortune as punishment (LGBTQ, apostates, etc)
Local/current: blaming SA victims, clergy abuse victims, etc
Internal morality given to God or those perceived to speak for him
Biblical atrocities excused, even genocide
Gives space for modern atrocities to be committed/accepted (even victims sometimes)
Early and modern polygamy/underage rape/trafficking
Modern spouse/child abuse
Murder, theft, imprisonment of apostates/defectors/outsiders (Oliver Cowdery, Danites, Lori Vallow/Chad Daybell)
Obligations to support systems that harm self/others (sexism, Prop 8, etc)
Personal choices/freedoms overridden in favor of the group ideals
Radio Free Mormon: 234: Priesthood Dispatches
Feb 25, 2022
I was recently interviewed by the host of Priesthood Dispatches, a new podcast from one of my friends across the pond! I had a great time doing this interview and I hope you will enjoy listening to it!
Mormonism LIVE: 064: The Role of Women In The Church
Feb 24, 2022
Mormonism LIVE: 064: The Role of Women In The Church RFM and Bill dive into the issue of Women in the Church and their role. What does the Church want women to think and believe and what does the system of Mormonism actually tell Women about their place within the Church? We have a guest on Nicole, who along with Maven share their personal journey navigating the hurtful and unhealthy sexist messaging of the LDS Church.
Radio Free Mormon: 233: The Brad Wilcox Imbroglio
Feb 19, 2022
RFM deconstructs the Brad Wilcox Fireside as no one else can! Strap on your seatbelts! It’s going to be a bumpy night!
Mormonism LIVE: 063: First Vision Apologetics
Feb 17, 2022
The earliest account of the First Vision poses some conflict within Mormon Truth Claims about what Joseph Smith experienced and what was invented about the Founding event in Mormonism. If there is no First Vision, there is significant reason to believe the rest of Mormonism is on shaky ground. So how do apologists deal with the 1832 account of that First Vision and what does logic and common sense say about that. RESOURCES:
RFM has saved the best for last in this third and final installment of his landmark series on Magic and Mormonism.
Turns out all those hours of practicing magic as a kid weren’t a complete waste of time after all!
Mormonism LIVE: 062: BYU’s Fight Against Modernity Past & Present
Feb 10, 2022
BYU has a history of manipulating & pressuring its educators into consistently stopping short of teaching modern best accepted ideas and research. While it claims to be a university that values education what it really does it limit the critical thinking skills and works to prevent its students from having access to the best information. We start by discussing the modern moment where BYU has changed its policy around the worthiness of BYU and CES Educators to control what is taught in the classroom and then we dive deep into the past to show the more things change the more they stay the same. And lastly we demonstrate that agency really is a value that The Church’s mouth writes but their actions just aren’t cashing.
The new policy is: “to hold and be worthy to hold a current temple recommend.”
The Old policy is “ “accept as a condition of employment the standards of conduct consistent with qualifying for temple privileges”
Friend and One of the Mole Professors I have on the inside of BYU. (We’ll call him Elder Dyches for anonymity) “Elder Dyches” told me that “Under that condition, I could tell my bishop I qualify, but am not interested in having a recommend and it wouldn’t affect my employment.”
The permutations of such a change
Gives more control to Salt Lake over local leaders and the CES staff those leaders have stewardship for as “worthiness issues arise in an employees behavior (AKA – Apostate Teachings in Seminary or BYU college classes
Imagine Pressure to stay in line this adds. Is it significant? Maybe not versus the old wording but it absolutely feels like additional undue influence. BYU is simply looking for just cause AKA – breaking the “Worthiness Standard”. Even if on a loophole that involves abusive underhanded methods intended to manipulate people into obedience and loyalty over conscience.
In 1907, then BYU president George H. Brimhall (No you silly gooses Elder Oaks wasn’t BYU president back then. He’s not that old) began hiring a new group of faculty to increase the academic reputation of his school. His goal “to include in [his] faculty … the best scholars of the church.” (Brimhall was 55 yr old)
These were devout Mormons but who were sought out intentionally to bring the Church’s College approach into Modernity including increasing the intellectual atmosphere of the university and community.This led to these four facilitating discussion and debates on evolution and the Bible, and attempting to convey that evolutionary ideas and Mormon theology were not mutually exclusive, but rather complementary
These four professors were popular.
They liberal ideas are being met with disapproval
Horace H. Cummings, superintendent of the church schools (and largely self-educated) was deeply bothered by the non-approved curriculum being brought in.
Church officials accused the professors of promoting heretical views. First Presidency of the LDS church, consisting of Joseph F. Smith, John R. Winder, Anthon H. Lund (Around the beginning of 1910 the First Presidency asked Orson F Whitney to draft an official statement on “the Origin of Man”)
It was decided that these men “were out of harmony with the brethren” and Horace H. Cummings offered the Petersons and Ralph Chamberlin a choice: alter their teachings or lose their jobs. Privately, Joseph B. Keeler told Ralph Chamberlin he could stay (His curriculum must have been pretty Vanilla), but he refused, as the Petersons weren’t given the same offer. Brimhall – “There are some people who predict the death of the college if these men go. I am ready to say that if the life of the college depends upon any number of men out of harmony with the brethren who preside over the church, then it is time for the college to die.” Ralph Chamberlin responded during the meeting between these four teachers and the School administration (which included 6 Church leaders) “If you can bring me one student whose faith I have injured in Mormonism, I will bring you five that you, through your narrowness, have driven out of the church. … I never gave a public lecture on evolution until I had consulted you as to whether it would be all right. You urged me to do it. Now, why have you changed suddenly?” Brimhall could only feebly joke, “Well, I’ll tell you, Brother Chamberlin, I know whi ch side my bread’s buttered on.”
Unwilling to change their teachings, the Petersons and Ralph Chamberlin left the university in 1911, while William remained for another 5 years, resigning in 1916.
The University of Utah in Salt Lake City had a similar controversy — what some at the time described as ‘a tempest in a teapot’ — erupted four years later in February 1915. There, the dismissals of two professors and two instructors by President Joseph T. Kingsbury — and the subsequent resignations of 14 faculty members in protest — launched the American Association of University Professors’ first institutional academic freedom inquest, spearheaded by AAUP founders Arthur O. Lovejoy and John Dewey. The 1911 BYU controversy — involving some of the same professors, including the Peterson brothers and the Chamberlins — led in part to the University of Utah debacle
Conclusion: The Salt Lake Tribunes many as 80 percent of the faculty sympathized with the Petersons and Chamberlin. When Joseph F. Smith was told that “a number of [Provo] merchants and others favoring the … teachers had withdrawn their patronage from the [White and Blue],” he “spoke up immediately and said that the First Presidency wanted no change in the paper’s policy and … [said] he would instruct [Zion’s Savings Bank] to keep the paper out of financial difficulties.” Smith also admonished his son, Andrew, a student at the high school adjoining BYU: “For my sake, my son, as well as your own[,] eschew the Petersons’ and Chamberlin’s evolution and all such things.” On 13 March over 100 undergraduates assembled on campus in a mass rally to “stand by their teachers.” The students distributed a petition “ratifying and endorsing the teaching of the professors, and praying for their retention by the Board of Trustees.” Of a total college enrollment of 114 undergraduates, as well as a handful of professors, over 90 students and faculty signed the statement, which both the Tribune and the Herald-Republican printed. Predictably, the Deseret News chastised the students for airing their criticisms in print, especially in the Tribune, while Brimhall publicly scolded them for “dictating” to the “prophets.” Brimhall discussing the issue with Reed Smoot – Throughout the following weeks, Brimhall was left to deal as best he could with dissatisfied faculty and students. In mid-May, he wrote again to Smoot, “I would be in perfect misery if I were not in harmony with those over me—I can stand it to be out of harmony with others. My policy has been to follow the interests of our faculty and also follow the interests of the student body, [but] I cannot be expected to follow either of the latter unless they are in perfect harmony with those above me.” Smoot replied supportively, “If the time ever comes that it is impossible for me to be in harmony with my presiding officer, I will quickly resign, if it involves any great principle affecting my conscience or my religious beliefs.” Joseph Keeler (a counselor to Brimhall in the BYU presidency) later asked, “Brother Chamberlin, why can’t you teach this subject the way we want it taught, [instead of] the way you’re teaching it?” Chamberlin replied, “I’m so constituted that I can’t teach what I don’t believe.”
Following the controversy, many faculty and students were reluctant to discuss some “matters of scientific and sociological value [p.36]for fear of losing their positions and receiving the boycott of the church.” Others began asking if there were “any [other] doctrines of the church which [were] inconsistent with the commonly accepted conclusions of science.” School trustees approved a new teaching contract in October 1911 which required loyalty to church authorities as a condition of employment. Back to current moment The Voluntary adoption of the new policy
https://biology.byu.edu/00000172-29e6-d079-ab7e-69efe5890000/byu-evolution-packet https://catalog.byu.edu/about-byu/administration Church Board of Education and Board of Trustees President Russell M. Nelson Chairman President Dallin H. Oaks First Vice Chairman President Henry B. Eyring Second Vice Chairman Elder Jeffrey R. Holland Board Member Elder D. Todd Christofferson Board Member Elder Paul V. Johnson Board Member Elder Michael T. Ringwood Board Member Bishop Gérald Caussé Board Member Sister Jean B. Bingham Board Member Sister Bonnie H. Cordon Board Member Brother Steven J. Lund Board Member R. Kelly Haws Secretary
RFM: 231: Magic and Mormonism Part 2
Feb 04, 2022
Radio Free Mormon continues his exploration of how an understanding of basic principles of stage magic helps illuminate various aspects of early Church history!
Mormonism LIVE: 061: Vogel & Metcalfe In Da HOUSE !
Feb 03, 2022
RFM and Bill Reel sit down with Dan Vogel and Brent Metcalfe on this week’s episode of Mormonism LIVE ! And you aren’t going to believe the stories these two have.
RFM: 230: Magic and Mormonism, part 1
Jan 28, 2022
RFM uses his background in stage magic to illuminate different aspects of Mormonism and Church History!
Mormonism LIVE: 060: The Unmasking of Maven
Jan 27, 2022
Tonight’s episode delves into the recent addition to Mormonism LIVE, Maven. Maven recently joined RFM and Bill Reel as the show manager. She does all the dirty work and increases the shows production value and from time to time she adds a powerful informed female voice to the show. Up until now she has remained anonymous and tonight Maven will be for the first time stepping out of anonymity and introduce herself to the audience helping them better get to know her.
Radio Free Mormon: 229: St. George Presentation 2022!
Jan 17, 2022
This is the audio of the presentation I gave in St. George at the invitation of the Southern Utah Post-Mormon Support Group on January 9, 2022.
It goes not only into a paper I had published in BYU-Studies, but also into how that paper developed over the course of about two decades, and the two unpublished papers that led up to it!
As strange as this story is, it is a story I have long wanted to tell! And here it is! Make of it what you will!
Radio Free Mormon: 228: Let’s Do the Time Warp Again!
Jan 14, 2022
RFM analyzes an often overlooked theme in “A Christmas Carol” where Dickens plays with the idea of time.
Then we turn to the LDS temple endowment where something similar occurs!
It is a fun ride and a good time is guaranteed to all!
Mormonism LIVE: 058: Mormon Apologist Skullduggery – The Mystery of the Second Watson Letter
Jan 13, 2022
Mormonism LIVE: 058: Mormon Apologist Skullduggery – The Mystery of the Second Watson Letter Playing off of last week’s “Two Hills Cumorah” episode we investigate the claim of a “2nd Watson letter”. What we find is not only more apologist obfuscations but perhaps one of the biggest underhanded maneuvers LDS apologists have ever pulled off.
Mormonism LIVE: 057: The Two Hills Cumorah Theory
Jan 06, 2022
RFM and Bill Reel tackle the two Hills Cumorah theory. The explain how Cumorah fits within our scriptures, show us how it was understood and taught all through early Church history and when in the modern times it changed and how that course adjustment has the Church approaching it today. To the believers who always wished for these things to be simple and faithful, eat your heartlander out ! IMAGES FOR SHOW
Mormon 6:4 – we did pitch our tents round about the hill Cumorah; and it was in a land of many waters, rivers, and fountains – SHOW MAP OF PALMYRA SURROUNDING AREA (It must be conceded that this description fits perfectly the land of Cumorah in New York, as it has been known since the visitation of Moroni to the Prophet Joseph Smith, for the hill is in the proximity of the Great Lakes and also in the land of many rivers and fountains.)
Mormon 6:6 – Mormon hid the records in the Hill Cumorah with the exception of the plates that would make up the Book of Mormon PHOTO
Ether 15:11 – The Jaredites hill Ramah and the Nephites Hill Cumorah are the same hill (He saw that there had been slain by the sword already nearly atwo millions of his people, and he began to sorrow in his heart; yea, there had been slain two millions of mighty men, and also their wives and their children.) PHOTO LOGISTICS OF A BATTLE THIS BIG
D&C 128:20 And again, what do we hear? Glad tidings from Cumorah! Moroni, an angel from heaven, declaring the fulfilment of the prophets—the book to be revealed PHOTO
B.) What early Church Leaders and Official sources said about The Hill Cumorah in New York
History of the Church 1:184 “This Book, which contained these things, was hid in the earth by Moroni, in a hill called by him Cumorah, which hill is now in the state of New York, near the village of Palmyra, in Ontario county. PHOTO
David Whitmer, Oliver Cowdery, and Joseph Smith are visited by Moroni – Moroni says Cumorah as the word is new to David (Tangential point. David Whitmer says his plowed was field and he didn’t know who did it. Lucy Mack Smith though claims David knew it was the three nephites page 4 bottom left) page 4 right hand side PHOTO
Mark E. Petersen, “A Work of Conversion,” General Conference address, in Messages of Inspiration (SLC: Deseret Book Co., 1957), pp. 98-106. I do not believe that we should give credence to the highly speculative theories about Book of Mormon geography. I do not believe that there were two Hill Cumorahs, one in Central America and the other one up in New York, for the convenience of the Prophet Joseph Smith, so that the poor boy would not have to walk clear to Central America to get the gold plates. (Last part of Page 3) PHOTO
The Messenger, July 1960, No. 51(COVER) (Page w/ pertinent section) Bishops “Attention Called To ‘Book of Mormon’ Maps” Our attention has been brought in the past few weeks to certain “Book of Mormon Lands” maps which are being offered to Church leaders and auxiliary workers by a California organization. They are apparently being distributed free of charge. We wish to refer bishops to the printed matter at the bottom of the map, which contains an inference that there are two, rather than one, Hills Cumorah — one in Mexico as well as the one in New York. The Church has never accepted this contention. Bishops are requested to make cognizant of this discrepancy those in their wards who might be sending for these maps or using them for instructional purposes. This concept of two Cumorahs should not be taught as official Church doctrine.(WOULD LOVE A IMAGE OR DOCUMENT)
F. Michael Watson – Context of that letter (Frank Michael Watson was a secretary to the First Presidency of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from 1986 to 2008. He was assistant secretary from 1972 until April 1986. Prior to that call, he served as assistant secretary and then secretary to the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles (1970–1972). He was called to serve in the First Quorum of the Seventy in April 2008 and served until October 2013 when he was designated an emeritus general authority.)
Fair Claims “The First Presidency’s secretary apparently answered a question according to his own understanding”
C. Something Changed
What changed in Mormonism Environment – The events including number of deaths and the supplies present in the Book of Mormon simply doesn’t match what has been located on that hill – Views seem to change in the 1940’s and 1950’s
“He (F. Michael Watson) responded that the First Presidency would like to clear up that Issue and he would FAX me with that clarification.” LINK to this message
John Clark 2004 – “the Hill Cumorah. Archaeologically speaking, it is a clean hill. No artifacts, no walls, no trenches, no arrowheads. The area immediately surrounding the hill is similarly clean. Pre-Columbian people did not settle or build here. This is not the place of Mormon’s last stand. We must look elsewhere for that hill.”
D.) The Church in the present modern moment
New Approach
Hill Cumorah as defined by the Church ““In the 1820s, the hill did not have a name. It later became known as the Hill Cumorah because Moroni, the Book of Mormon’s final author and the angel who met with Joseph Smith, wrote that he had hidden the golden plates in a hill called Cumorah (see Mormon 6:6)”
Mormonism LIVE: 055: Christmas & The Historical Jesus
Dec 23, 2021
Bill Reel and RFM take a look at the Historical Jesus and hit on the main points that Biblical criticism brings into focus and once they are done, your Christmases may never be the same. Jesus son of Mary – Illegitimate birth. Mark infers. The early church theologian Origen (d. 251 CE) has a polemical tract in which he writes an apologetic for Jesus’ virgin birth against Celsus, a pagan skeptic of Christianity (around 178 CE). Celsus was a proponent of the idea that the virgin birth story was a fiction invented by Jesus, when the truth was (as he apparently believed) Jesus was the biological product of his mother and a Roman soldier named Pantera. Also Virgin births were a common trope and polemic device in ancient mythology.
Manger – ACU scholar Stephen Carlson writes that the word “kataluma” (often translated “inn”) refers to guest quarters. Most likely, Joseph and Mary stayed with family but the guest room was too small for childbirth and hence Mary gave birth in the main room of the house where animal mangers could also be found. use the links below from Dan Mcllellan Manger/Inn – Scripture Translation Supervisor for the LDS Church, PhD in theology and religion https://www.tiktok.com/@maklelan/video/7037619189456358703?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1
More on the nativity – Daniel McClellan https://www.tiktok.com/@maklelan/video/7037685245172256046?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 Traditional Account of the nativity – Daniel McClellan Scripture Translation Supervisor for the LDS Church, PhD in theology and religionhttps://www.tiktok.com/@maklelan/video/7040144974750731566?lang=en&is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v1 Inconsistencies in the narrative – Matthew and Luke, the only Christian gospels which give us the virgin birth story, contain problematic details-both internally and in comparison to each other. For example, it’s been pointed out often that Luke’s dating of the census (while Quirinius was governor of Syria) in Luke is problematic. There are also difficulties when the accounts are compared to each other. The two genealogies don’t exactly reinforce each other and there are a number of striking differences when compared alongside each other–in particular the migration to Egypt in Matthew (2:13-14) which is completely absent from Luke. In Luke’s account, Mary and Joseph take Jesus home immediately to Nazareth (2:39-40), with no reference to a flight to Egypt or a conflict with Herod. Live in Bethlehem? – According to the Matthean infancy narrative, Joseph and Mary are natives to Bethlehem! They live in their house there! Houses would be part of patriarchal compounds with as many as 50 to 100 people. There is no Lukan manger mentioned, and definitely no stables! The author “Matthew” expects his audience to understand this, being that he writes for people equipped with culturally-appropriate auxiliary background information. We Western Christians, reading with spurious familiarity, are blind to this. Did the Holy Family go from Bethlehem to Jerusalem and then straight back to Nazareth, as “Luke” tells us? Or did they reside in Bethlehem, give birth to Jesus there, live about two years there until the magi come, then flee to Egypt, then some years after go to a place they’ve never been to before and take up residence there, as “Matthew” says? (No need to read the following but in case someone asks why 2 years – Notably, the magi visit Jesus in a house (not an inn or stable) and their visit is as late as two years after the birth. Matthew 2:16 records King Herod’s orders to kill baby boys up to the age of two based on the report about Jesus’s age from the magi. This delay is why most Christian churches celebrate the visit of the magi on “Epiphany” or January 6) the slaughter of the innocents – given that Bethlehem probably had fewer than 1,000 residents, it’s possible the slaughter of the innocents involved just three or four babies, Witherington said. “We’re not talking about streets lined with dead babies,” Witherington told Live Science. In a world full of brutality and violence, it’s not clear the death of a few no-name babies in a sleepy village would have made the history books. Erroneous History about a Census – A similar situation exists with the Lukan census of the whole world when Quirinius was governor of Syria (Luke 2:1–2). This census was presumably made when Herod the Great reigned over Judea (1:5), and who was alive when Jesus was born and for some time after. Copious records exist from the time of Caesar Augustus’ reign (27 BCE—14 CE). These records describe many events during that reign, particularly the most important. None of them mention anything about a worldwide census. And consider how “Luke” describes this census: people must return to the home of their ancestors. Consider what the Empire would look like in order to accomplish that—throngs of millions migrating all over for the census. And yet all historical records remain silent on it? In his own history, Augustus himself fails to mention this achievement! That’s simply not credible.
Mormonism LIVE: 054: Mission Impossible
Dec 16, 2021
RFM & Bill Reel explore Missions and how an LDS Mission can contain some strange experiences and difficulty. They accomplish this by sitting down with with someone who had just that sort of Mission.
Radio Free Mormon: 227: Mormonism and Western Esotericism
Dec 15, 2021
I was recently honored to be asked to give a presentation before the Mormonism and Western Esotericism Group. My address on the subject of Ancient Hebrew Numerology in the Book of Mormon was warmly received, and we had a wonderful time talking about it and related subjects during the second half of the evening.
I want to thank Professor Trevor Luke of Florida State University for his gracious invitation to make this presentation, and all the scholars associated with the MWE for their graciousness in listening to what I had to say, and especially for their fabulous insights into the subject!
Mormonism LIVE: 053: One Year Anniversary
Dec 09, 2021
Mormonism LIVE: 053: One Year Anniversary RFM and Bill Reel kick of the second year of Mormonism LIVE with a look back of the past 52 weeks since Mormonism Live’s inception. We look at the favorite episodes of both us and the viewers. We look back at any funny moments, and wonder where the next 52 episodes might take us
Mormonism LIVE: 051: Denver Snuffer
Nov 26, 2021
Wednesday Nov. 24th, RFM and Bill sat down with Denver Snuffer and discuss his life and the happenings around the Christian fellowships of “the Remnants” movement. Denver Snuffer is an author of Restorationist devotional books, a lecturer, a speculative theologian, and a revelator to fellowships of the remnants movement, a spiritual movement in schism with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church). The movement has a few thousand adherents, many of them members or former members of the LDS Church. He was excommunicated by the LDS Church in 2013 for refusing to cease publication of his 2011 book, Passing the Heavenly Gift which challenges many points of LDS orthodoxy. He subsequently has been identified as a prophet by many, and several of his teachings have been canonized as scripture.
Preparing on a short week with our focus on Thrive & the Midnight Mormon’s Debate with RFM has us selecting an interesting topic that is light and fun. So Wednesday November 17th RFM and Bill Reel dive into the old folklore surrounding Bigfoot being none other than Cain. The origination story, and how Prophets, Seer’s, and Revelators have turned a strange story into some sort of pseudo doctrine, How FairMormon really screwed the pooch, and how Mormonism’s and Sasquatch’s narratives intertwine in other strange places you may not have seen coming.
Mormonism LIVE: 049: The Pre-Debate Tailgate Party
Nov 11, 2021
RFM and Bill Reel start with a conversation with a relatively recent legal action that completes the Apostolic Coup D’etat and does it with a coup de grâce. After which we discuss the upcoming trip to THRIVE this weekend and the debate on Saturday November 13th between RFM and Midnight Mormons
Mormonism LIVE: 048: Mark Elwood & The Glass Looker
Nov 04, 2021
We sit down with author and Illustrator of the book “The Glass Looker”, Mark Elwood and discuss how he incorporated Joseph Smith’s Treasure Digging into a beautiful animated book. We discuss how he decided what to include and what impact he hopes this book has
Mormonism LIVE: 047: Spooky Halloween Call In Show
Oct 30, 2021
Radio Free Mormon & Jonathan Streeter (Filling in for Bill Reel) deliver a special Halloween Episode fielding live phone calls where listeners can share their spooky tales.
Mormonism LIVE: 046: Suicide Within Mormon History & Theology
Oct 22, 2021
Mormonism LIVE: 045: Mormonism and Macbeth
Oct 14, 2021
Radio Free Mormon takes Bill Reel and the rest of us through Shakespeare’s Macbeth in order to connect some dot in Mormonism on two issues. The First is the Apologetic response that if the critic can’t explain how something is done then it must be a miracle and second how Church Leaders always seem ambiguous on the issue of having seen Christ.
Mormonism LIVE: 044: Straw Man vs Steel Man: A Lesson In Rational Thinking
Oct 07, 2021
Today we take a look at the Logical Fallacy of the Straw Man argument and juxtapose it against what it means to Steel Man someone. A Straw Man argument is when you misrepresent someone’s argument to make it easier to attack. We define a Straw Man argument, share an example, discuss how to incorporate good faith in a disagreement by instead choosing to Steel Man the disagreement, and then show how Mormonism holds up to the actual argument being made when that argument is represented fairly. RESOURCES:
Mormonism LIVE: 043: Modern Day Mormon Danites
Sep 30, 2021
operandi is at work today inside Modern Mormonism through the SCMC, and other people and processes that work to ensure that believing members are kept at arms length from people, voices, and information that is both accurate and contradictory to the inaccurate but faithful dominant narrative.
Mormonism LIVE: 042: Revelation, Excommunications, Lies & Obfuscations: The 1886 John Taylor Divination
Sep 23, 2021
In 1886 LDS Prophet and Church President John Taylor documented a Revelation whereby Jesus Christ himself informed Taylor that Polygamy (The New and Everlasting Covenant) can and will NEVER be done away. Only to have the Church later disavow and distance themselves from Polygamy. On this Episode Bill Reel and RFM will help us understand the context of the 1886 Revelation/Vision, How the Church avoided dealing with Taylor’s Documented Revelation, How Apologists deal with it today, and lastly what it demonstrates about the integrity and honesty of the Church and its leaders around this event.
Radio Free Mormon: 226: From TBM to RFM Part 1
Sep 17, 2021
I went on John Dehlin’s show recently to talk about the turning points in my life that have turned me from a True Believing Mormon into Radio Free Mormon.
I had to do a lot of introspection for this podcast, and as it turns out, the answers surprised even me!
A must-listen for anyone who wants to know what makes RFM tick!
Mormonism LIVE!: 041: Solving the LDS Church Homosexuality Issue
Sep 16, 2021
Mormonism LIVE!: 041: Solving the LDS Church Homosexuality Issue Elder Holland recently explained ““I and many of my Brethren have spent more time and shed more tears on this subject than we could ever adequately convey to you this morning, or any morning. We have spent hours discussing what the doctrine of the Church can and cannot provide the individuals and families struggling over this difficult issue. So, it is with scar tissue of our own that we are trying to avoid — and hope all will try to avoid — language, symbols and situations that are more divisive than unifying at the very time we want to show love for all of God’s children.” In spite of being Prophets, Seers, and Revelators; He seemingly also is acknowledging that Jesus isn’t coming into the room and they are trying to figure it out without him. So Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel decide to be of assistance and offer solutions to the problem they are struggling to get an answer for. So on this episode, we will give these 15 men the theological and historical and doctrinal space to resolve this issue once and for all.
Mormonism LIVE! 040: Symphony Of LGBT Mis-Direction & Mr. Holland Dopus
Sep 09, 2021
Since its inception in 1830 LDS Leaders have been consistent at one thing. While lip service is given to being a Church that has Prophets, Seers, and Revelators who claim to speak for God and give direction from on high, these men seem to always be behind the times, stating outdated false misconceptions and teaching false and at times harmful rhetoric. No where can this be more easily recognized than on the LGBT issue. But….. sadly It doesn’t stop there.
In this weeks episode of Mormonism LIVE, RFM and Bill Reel delve into some debauchery among past Mission Presidents. What they find is a common theme creating a pattern of bad behavior learning once again that unethical behavior can be made righteous within Mormonism.
Mormonism LIVE: 038: The Second Anointing
Aug 26, 2021
In Mormonism the very elite of membership including Stake Presidents, Mission Presidents, along with Seventies and the top 15 along with all their wives receive a secret ritual that confers to them that their “Calling and Election” has been made sure. What is this ritual? What do we know about it? How has the church framed it in their theology? and why do only a select few receive it? This and more on this week’s episode. RESOURCES:
Mormonism LIVE: 037: Why Hasn’t RFM Been Excommunicated Yet?
Aug 19, 2021
With so many people asking “Why Hasn’t RFM Been Excommunicated Yet?” We decided to go right to the horse’s mouth and ask a member of RFM’s Stake Presidency. That member of the Stake Presidency will be on with us LIVE to answer that very question and more.
Mormonism LIVE: 036: Hostile Takeovers, Bailouts, & Other Backroom Deals
Aug 12, 2021
Today Bill and RFM will look into events that the Church and/or its Leaders were involved in that seem to have the “appearance of Evil”.
From Elder Ballard’s time selling cars to buying Valley Music Hall to becoming an Apostle of the Lord, to what appeared to be a Hostile Takeover by Quentin Cook of a Hospital in California, to what appears to be A giant favor done by Kirton and McConkie towards Thomas Monson and his family. We may touch on a few others as well….. you never know !!!
All of these stories involve allegations and viewers and listeners should make up their own mind as to what the data seems to imply. We also welcome the individuals involved as well as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints to contribute to a more informed story
Mormonism LIVE: 035: Will The Real Apostle Please Stand Up !
Aug 05, 2021
In this week’s episode of Mormonism Live, we will investigate the integrity of the not only the President of the Church but also the integrity of the Quorum of the 12. Once one grasps the systemic issue within LDS Leadership, One’s trust in them becomes anything other guaranteed.
In his memoirs, An Abundant Life, Elder Hugh B. Brown explained “the Apostolic Charge” that every apostle is apparently given upon admittance to the Q12. It reads as follows: “Always be willing to subjugate his own thoughts and accept the majority opinion not only to vote for it but to act as though it were his own original opinion after it has been approved by the majority of the council of the twelve and the First Presidency.”
Mormonism LIVE: 034: Ask Us Almost Anything & More
Jul 29, 2021
Mormonism LIVE: 033: President Nelson’s Flight of Death
Jul 22, 2021
Today We explore a story President Nelson has told for years about a flight he was on in the 1970’s. He reports the plane’s engine exploding, the wing catching fire, a death spiral by the plane, the chaos aboard, and the plane’s landing in a farmer’s field. This story had many questioning the truthfulness of his account but there was never a smoking gun to get to the truth of the matter………. until now. WHERE PRESIDENT NELSON OR OTHERS HAVE TOLD THE STORY https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/1992/05/doors-of-death?lang=eng https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-argentina-2019 https://www.deseret.com/faith/2021/3/28/22355277/president-nelson-invites-all-to-feel-the-peace-and-hope-of-easter-by-focusing-on-the-savior https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=EMwKxmTLaCs&ab_channel=TheChurchofJesusChristofLatter-daySaints Russell M. Nelson, From Heart to Heart: An Autobiography (Salt Lake City: Nelson, 1979) Russell M. Nelson: Father, Surgeon, Apostle – Spencer J Condie: Author https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/friend/1994/06/most-important?lang=eng Russell M. Nelson, The Gateway We Call Death (Salt Lake City: Deseret Book, 1995) https://www.thechurchnews.com/archives/2004-09-18/gospel-principles-vital-to-correct-living-94995 https://www.deseret.com/2006/4/15/19948411/death-is-part-of-life-ex-surgeon-says https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2018-09-03/president-nelson-delivers-historic-message-to-dominican-latter-day-saints-in-spanish-8931 https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/church/news/president-nelson-shares-5-lessons-life-has-taught-me-with-49000-in-safeco-field?lang=eng https://www.thechurchnews.com/leaders-and-ministry/2018-10-26/president-nelson-finds-church-thriving-in-uruguay-thanks-to-multiple-generations-of-members-missionaries-156122 https://newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/president-nelson-argentina-2019 THE CLAIMS PRESIDENT NELSON HAS MADETHAT WERE RED FLAGS 1.) One Engine on a small Two Engine plane Exploded. 2.) Said Engine caught fire. 3.) In the Explosion flammable material was spread to the plane and the plane itself was on fire. 4.) The plane did a “Death Spiral” which extinguished the fire 5.) The Pilot “turned on the Other Engine” 6.) The plane landed in a “Farmer’s Field” THE FACTS THAT ALLOWED OTHERS TO NARROW WHAT TO LOOK FOR 1.) The Date of the flight was reported as November 12, 1976 2.) He was flying from SLC to St. George to attend the inauguration of W. Rolfe Kerr as the president of Dixie College. 3.) Anytime a plane incurs a malfunction or there is a mechanical flight issue or pilot error the Law requires such to be recorded. The Explosion would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The plane on fire would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The Death Spiral would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. The landing in a Farmer’s Field would necessitate a publicly available recorded log report. IF THE STORY OCCURRED THE WAY PRESIDENT NELSON HAS REPORTED, THERE ABSOLUTELY WOULD BE A REPORT THAT IS PUBLICLY AVAILABLE. MOST FABRICATIONS HINGE ON SOME GRAIN OF TRUTH, SO MANY IN THE POST-MORMON COMMUNITY WENT INTO DETECTIVE MODE. THE FLIGHT REPORT FOR THIS FLIGHT WAS FINALLY LOCATED (IT WAS DIFFICULT TO FIND DUE TO THE MUNDANE ISSUES INCURRED THAT SEEMINGLY CONTRADICT NELSON’S STORY ) https://www.google.com/books/edition/_/wNa3AAAAIAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA1090&dq=skywest+incidents+1976 1.) Engine never exploded and continued to run though rough 2.) There was no Engine Fire. 3.) The Plane itself was never on fire 4.) The Other Engine was never off 4.) The plane made a “Precautionary landing at the airport in Delta Utah and not a farmer’s field 5.) There are other smaller issues with number of passengers, length of flight, cutting fuel line to both engines, and the date of the flight but we grant some benefit of the doubt for distorted memory. If the Church or its defenders want to claim the conclusion that this flight one day earlier is NOT the flight President Nelson is speaking about, then the burden of proof is on them to provide the evidence. To claim there was another “SKY WEST” flight also going from SLC TO SAINT GEORGE” that had “WORSE ISSUES” “ONE DAY LATER”, then provide the “MANDATORY PUBLICLY AVAILABLE FLIGHT REPORT” of said flight. Without such, said conclusion by the defenders would require more conjecture and allowances. The Plane believed to be the One Nelson rode that day
Mormonism LIVE: 032: Lindsay Hansen Park – Troubling Aspects of Joseph Smith’s Polygamy
Jul 15, 2021
Lindsay Hansen Park is an American Mormon feminist blogger, podcaster, and the Executive Director for the Salt Lake City-based non-profit Sunstone Education Foundation. She blogs for Feminist Mormon Housewives (FMH) about women’s issues inside and outside of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. She is the main voice behind the Year of Polygamy podcast. Her work and voice have been referenced in The Wall Street Journal, The Salt Lake Tribune’s Trib Talk, Salt Lake City Weekly, The Guardian and Quartz.
Radio Free Mormon: 225: Kerry Shirts Interview (AKA The Backyard Professor)
Jul 02, 2021
RFM sits down with Kerry Shirts, former believer, former director of research for FAIR (Formerly FairMormon, formerly FAIR), former apologist known as the Backyard Professor. Kerry discusses his time as an apologist defending The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and his subsequent loss of belief.
Mormonism LIVE: 030: Brass Balls – A Startling New Discovery in Mormon History?
Jul 01, 2021
RFM and Bill will sit down with a listener from England who will share with us an exciting discovery he made regarding the Liahona in Book of Mormon. This is likely the first time this discovery will be shared publicly.
Mormonism LIVE: 029: Another One Bites the Dust
Jun 24, 2021
Radio Free Mormon: 224: General Conference Post Mortem, Part 6–The Sunday Afternoon Session!
Jun 18, 2021
We did it! We finally got through all of General Conference from April 2021!
Join Jonathan Streeter and me as we slice and dice the talks given in the Sunday Afternoon Session!
I am exhausted!
But General Conference has still never been so much fun!
Mormonism LIVE: 028: John Dehlin and the Origination of Mormon Stories
Jun 17, 2021
Today we wit down with John Dehlin, host of Mormon Stories and Pioneer who blazed the trail into historical transparency regarding Mormon History and Social Dysfuntion using the internet as the vehicle. His podcast pioneered a new phase in Mormonism where Scholars talked openly and and the Church could be held accountable for its unhealthiness.
Radio Free Mormon: 223: LAZY LEARNERS OF THE WORLD, UNITE!
Jun 11, 2021
The most controversial talk of April 2021 General Conference was likely given by President Nelson at the close of the Sunday morning session. You remember–The “Lazy Learners” talk!
Jonathan Streeter and I take a full two hours to dive deeply into this talk and excavate its deeper implications.
General Conference has never been so much fun!!!
Mormonism LIVE ! : 027: Spencer Wright – Apologetic Logical Fallacies
Jun 10, 2021
Mormonism LIVE !: 026: Fact Checking Mormonism
Jun 03, 2021
We sit down with Creative Content Producer Nemo and discuss his work at fact Checking the LDS Church.
Radio Free Mormon: 222: General Conference Post Mortem, Part 4–Sunday Morning Session
May 28, 2021
I am happy to be joined once again by the brilliant Jonathan Streeter of Thoughts on Things and Stuff for a jolly discussion of the Sunday Morning Session of April 2021 General Conference!
General Conference has never been so much fun!!!
Mormonism LIVE !: 025: The Adam God Deception
May 27, 2021
Mormonism LIVE ! : 024: The Misogynisticly Unmentionable Heavenly Mother(s)
May 20, 2021
This week RFM and Bill Reel use the recent Salt Lake Trib article as a starting point to discuss why Heavenly mother is such a big deal. Or rather why so many are insisting we talk about her and why so many others demand we don’t.
Radio Free Mormon: 221: General Conference Post Mortem, Part 3–The Priesthood Session
May 14, 2021
Tonight I am joined once more by my good friend Jonathan Streeter from Thoughts on Things and Stuff for part 3 of our post mortem of the 2021 General Conference.
Time for the Priesthood Session!
General Conference has never been so much fun!
Mormonism LIVE !: 023: The Shame Game
May 13, 2021
Tonight Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel take another look at the recent regional conference focusing on how Elder Holland and Bonnie Cordon handle questions from the Young adult members of the Church.
Mormonism LIVE !: 022: Strange Soundbites And Stranger Lies
May 06, 2021
Radio Free Mormon: 220: General Conference Post Mortem, Part 2
Apr 23, 2021
RFM and Jonathan Streeter have a rollicking good time talking about the talks given in Saturday afternoon session of the April 2021 General Conference!
General Conference has never been so much fun!
Mormonism LIVE: 020: Natasha Helfer’s Court of Love & Kwaku’s Bait And Switch
Apr 22, 2021
A lot happened this past Sunday in Mormonism. Natasha Helfer had a disciplinary court and later in the week was excommunicated. And Kwaku coming off of our interview attempted to drive people to video dredging up old allegations against John Dehlin but encasing it in a bait and switch put over on people as “My apology to John Dehlin”. We tackle both of those as well as some looking back at last week’s conversation with Kwaku and some of the things he said and if they hold up to critical thinking.
Radio Free Mormon: 219: General Conference Post Mortem, April 2021, Part 1
Apr 16, 2021
Join Jonathan Streeter and RFM as they take apart General Conference one talk at a time! This episode covers the Saturday morning session of April 2021 General Conference. Speakers for this session include Elder (not President!) Uchtdorf, Sister Joy Jones, Elder Gong and President Eyring! GenCon has never been this much fun!
Mormonism LIVE: 019: Kwaku El Live in Studio
Apr 15, 2021
Live Show on Wednesdays 6:20 PM Mountain Time on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQ Kwaku El in Studio for a Live Conversation about FAIR and Saints Unscripted Kwaku has graciously accepted our invitation to sit down on Mormonism LIVE ! with Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel to discuss primarily his separating from Saints Unscripted and having projects he worked on that contributed to content on FAIR having been removed. We also touch on his feelings and thoughts regarding people who leave and the emotional turmoil such journeys encapsulate and We talk about whether he recognizes if the critics are reasonable in their approach and conclusion and if he is for that matter. YOUTUBE VIDEO RECORDING of this episode – https://youtu.be/Kd7EdebQ194
Radio Free Mormon: 217: Elder Oaks is NOT a Liar!
Mar 26, 2021
This just in! Elder Oaks has proven that he is NOT a liar!
In this joint podcast with the fabulous Jonathan Streeter from Thinker of Thoughts, we dissect a 1993 talk Elder Oaks gave to the students of BYU’s law school.
In his remarks, Elder Oaks demonstrates convincingly to all assembled that he does not justify lying in any form, nor is he himself a liar!
Either that, or this is actually a Manifesto on why Elder Oaks believes it is fine to prevaricate and deceive for the greater good, so long as you don’t cross that increasingly fuzzy line of lying.
It’s like the Unabomber Manifesto. Only it isn’t about bombing; it’s about lying.
Perhaps we should call it the Unaliar Manifesto?
Mormonism LIVE !: 016: Peek Stones, Sheep’s Bones, and Gold Thrones all on Miner’s Hill
Mar 25, 2021
Mormonism LIVE !: 015: Tales of Hofmann
Mar 18, 2021
On tonight’s episode RFM and Bill Reel dive further into the Mark Hofmann story exposing Elder Oaks and at the time Elder Gordon B. Hinckley as potentially deceiving and lying about what transpired in their meeting with Hofmann and their efforts to obtain what they believed were authentic and also damaging documents to the Church’s narrative and the faith of its members. Bill concludes with revealing multiple never before seen documents including the Hofmann’s outline for the forged 116 pages of the book of Lehi, Hofmann’s Psychological evaluation, his education report cards, and a master list of all the signatures/authored documents he forged of famous people. RESOURCES:
Radio Free Mormon: 216: VIEW OF THE HEBREWS
Mar 09, 2021
Was Ethan Smith’s View of the Hebrews a potential source for Joseph Smith’s Book of Mormon?
That is the question RFM tackles in this important episode hosted by Dr. John Dehlin.
After having heard about this allegation since the 1980s, RFM finally took the time to get View of the Hebrews and methodically work his way through it.
The results are explosive!
Radio Free Mormon: 215: CIVIL WAR! John Gee v. The Joseph Smith Papers Project
Mar 05, 2021
Today I am joined by John Dehlin to discuss several essays (two recent!) written by Dr. John Gee criticizing the Joseph Smith Papers Project volume dealing with the Abraham Egyptian Manuscripts. Is Dr. Gee fair in his criticisms, or is he grinding a well-honed axe? You be the judge!
Mormonism LIVE !: 013: What Bad Faith Looks Like
Mar 04, 2021
Using a recent article in the Church Magazine “Liahona” (Formerly the Ensign) published by the LDS Church, RFM and Bill Reel dissect whether the Church acts in good faith with how it imposes its narrative and who it blames when that narrative is pointed out as not accurate. When the Church is informed that it is being inaccurate how does the Church respond, both in its rhetoric in terms of who it blames for the problem and what it says it will do about the problem, as well as what it actually does to correct the problem. The Video version of this episode and all other episodes can be found on youtube at this url https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC5n_8_6j00PSeju0hu2CFXQPlease consider donating to Mormonism LIVE ! to help us keep this live show going by CLICKING HERE
Radio Free Mormon: 214: General Conference Post Mortem October 2020 Part 2
Feb 26, 2021
Jonathan Streeter and I continue our analysis of October 2020 General Conference with the Saturday afternoon session! This session may contain the worst GenCon talk I have heard in forty years! The audio is a bit sketchy toward the beginning (thanks, Zoom!) but it levels out pretty quickly! Hang in there and you will be amply rewarded!
MORMONISM LIVE !: 012: The Funniest Missionary Story
Feb 25, 2021
RFM and Bill Reel have a guest on today, Chris Bloxham, who gets us started by telling us a funny story from his mission. After that we give our callers a chance to share their funny mission stories, and finish off having RFM share a funny story from his mission. Please donate to Mormonism LIVE ! by CLICKING HERE
MORMONISM LIVE !: 011: The Rules of the Game
Feb 18, 2021
There are five rules to the game of Mormonism; all of them from the perspective of church leaders: Rule No. 1–We are going to hide stuff from you. Rule No. 2–We are going to try to keep you from finding the stuff we are hiding from you. Rule No. 3–We are going to lie about hiding stuff from you.
MORMONISM LIVE !: 010: Demonic Possession, Exorcism, and Mormonism
Feb 11, 2021
In todays Episode Jonathan Streeter fills in for Bill Reel and takes RFM on a journey discussing the first miracle in Mormonism. They discuss the role that Demonic possessions and exorcisms play in religion generally and how such things have influenced Mormonism specifically.
Radio Free Mormon: 213: BAD BLOOD
Feb 05, 2021
Tonight we do a deep dive into the hit-piece John Gee wrote about his former Egyptology professor Robert Ritner, ostensibly as a book review for The Journal of the Society for the Study of Egyptian Antiquities. Is there bad blood between Gee and Ritner? You bet there is! And John Gee’s hit-piece brings it into high definition!
MORMONISM LIVE !: 009: Elder David Bednar & Wendy Nelson, Has The Day Of Miracles Ceased?
Feb 04, 2021
Moroni 7:27 asks Has the day of Miracles Ceased? The answer in the scriptures is nay. Yet What happens when we take a look at what LDS Leaders suggest as the miracles that are happening. We use two Sound clips at the backdrop of todays discussion. One is David Bednar’s recent BYU devotional where Elder Bednar imposes that miracles are happening today just as in days of old and gives us 8 quotes that are supposed to be evidence of the miracles except there aren’t any…. unless you are counting smiles, hours served, phones answered, and a person was were they were supposed to be. The second clip revolves around Wendy Nelson informing us that President Nelson was prompted prior to Covid in 2020 to cancel all of their bookings for the year. But when this “miracle” is examined it seems to contain deep factual problems and negative theological ramifications.
MORMONISM LIVE !: 007: Breakdown of Fireside by Director of Church History Library
Jan 21, 2021
Tonight RFM and Bill Reel take a look at how Director of the Church History Library, Keith A. Erekson, frames apologetics, inoculation, and publicly frames the criticisms of the Church. What tone does he use? What approach does he take with the critic and their criticisms? What approach does he take with the issues? How does he interact with the members of the Church in terms of transparency? Vulnerability? Honesty? and Forthrightness? Is this an improvement or is it a deeper layer of deception? We do this by examining his recent Fireside w/ multiple stakes published on the Fredrickson Stake Youtube Channel Keith Erekson is the head of the vaults where historical items are saved in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. He and his two assistants are the only folks with unfettered access to these archives and storage.
Radio Free Mormon: 212: Class Action Lawsuit Against LDS Church
Jan 19, 2021
John Dehlin and I discuss the history and merits of the ongoing class action lawsuit against the LDS Church. As a special bonus, the lawyer suing the LDS Church phones in and shares some startling behind-the-scenes information on how the LDS Church used strong arm tactics to try to get her to drop the case!
Mormonism LIVE !: 006: LDS Handbook Changes Part 2
Jan 14, 2021
RFM and Bill Reel take a look at the December 2020 Changes to the General Handbook of Instruction within the LDS Church. This Second part starts with a special Guest, Wendi Wilcock Jensen, as we dive into the handbook section on Energy Work. From there we discuss the changes involving Transgender people, changes on the church’s approach to abuse, a new section on prejudice, and then we conclude with the new section on seeking reliable information and use a soundbite from a Mormonland Podcast interview to show that it is actually the LDS Church that is unreliable, non-credible, and deceptive.
Radio Free Mormon: 211: Escape from Polygamy Mountain Part 2
Jan 08, 2021
Join Sue as she tells the rest of her harrowing tale; how she escaped from the polygamy compound in Mexico, made her way back to the United States, and finally made her way back into the good graces of the LDS Church. As it turns out, all the hoops the LDS Church made her jump through in order to be rebaptized and have her temple blessings restored ended up pushing her out of the Church . . . again!
Mormonism LIVE !: 005: LDS Handbook Changes
Jan 07, 2021
Radio Free Mormon: 210: DNA and the Book of Mormon
Jan 02, 2021
Tonight I have the distinct honor of interviewing Dr. Simon Southerton, whose 2004 book, “Losing a Lost Tribe,” made headlines around the world and sent shockwaves through the Mormon Community! The reason this book made such a splash is because it demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that a Semitic tribe such as depicted in the Book of Mormon did not exist in the New World. And it was all right there in the DNA!
Dr. Southerton talks about his early years that led up to his writing, “Losing a Lost Tribe,” and how advances in DNA studies since that time continue to corroborate the original conclusion.
We even take a crack at the LDS Gospel Topics essay on DNA and the Book of Mormon! Come along for the ride!
Mormonism LIVE !: 004: The Rise And Fall of Alma the Apologetic
Dec 31, 2020
Mormon Apologists have long pointed out that one criticism of the Book of Mormon is its use of the female name Alma for a male’s name. After citing the criticism, Mormon Apologists immediately follow up with evidence of Alma’s use as a Male name in the ancient eastern world. But is this really an argument being made that deserves a rebuttal? Was Alma really only a female name in Joseph Smith’s day? Did he know any male Alma’s? And are LDS Leaders and Apologists honest around this issue? That and more and your phone calls on this episode of Mormonism LIVE !
Mormonism LIVE!: 003: The Changing Landscape of Mormonism under President Nelson
Dec 24, 2020
Using the recent Atlantic Magazine Article about Mormonism which includes an interview with Russel M. Nelson, President of The LDS Church as a springboard, RFM and Bill talk about Mormonism’s endless quest for acceptance by the outside world, and why Mormonism seems to be going about it all wrong.
Radio Free Mormon: 209: Christians v. Pharisees
Dec 22, 2020
Peter Bleakley, a life-long Latter-day Saint from across the pond, is actively engaged in calling out current church leadership on their gaslighting, distortions, and dissembling. In this interview, Peter is equal parts brilliance and bravura! RFM finds out what makes Peter tick, why the current state of Mormonism infuriates him so much, and what Peter thinks is the only hope left for the LDS Church to continue as a viable Christian institution into the 21st Century. It’s the Christians versus the Pharisees! And so far, the Pharisees seem to be winning hands down!
Radio Free Mormon: 208: Escape from Polygamy Mountain, Part 1
Dec 18, 2020
Join RFM today as his good friend, Sue, tells about her escape from polygamy! Sue was a happily married TBM until her husband became converted to the fundamentalist practice of plural marriage, converted Sue after a year-long emotionally abusive indoctrination, and began taking new wives. The family moved down to Mexico to continue the practice where Sue lived with her husband and sister wives for two years before finally getting fed up with it and making her escape! This is one you won’t want to miss!
Mormonism LIVE!: 002: FairMormon’s New Book of Abraham Video
Dec 17, 2020
RFM and Bill Reel have a lot of fun dismantling FairMormon’s new Book of Abraham video, showing their absolute over-the-top use of ad hominem arguments! This video does everything it can to avoid dealing with the actual issues related to this book of scripture!
Mormonism LIVE!: 001: What in Hell is Going on at FairMormon?!
Dec 10, 2020
The Inaugural Episode of Mormonism LIVE! kicks off tackling FairMormon’s new video series titled, “This Is The Show” (T.I.T.S.). T.I.T.S. is intended for a younger audience. Radio Free Mormon (RFM) and Bill Reel dive into whether FairMormon is taking on this project with honesty toward the material and compassion toward those who lose faith. Sadly on both fronts it is a strong NO. The Live Broadcast of Mormonism LIVE! is recorded on Wednesdays at 6:20PM (MST) and can be watched Live at Mormon Discussions Youtube Channel and Mormon Discussions Facebook page Past episodes can be viewed on MormonismLive.org as well as Itunes, Stitcher, and most 3rd Party Podcast Apps. You Can reach RFM and Bill Reel by emailing them at MormonDiscussionsPodcasts@gmail.com
Radio Free Mormon: 207: “Heaven Up Here”
Dec 04, 2020
RFM interviews John Kirk Williams, author of “Heaven Up Here,” a memoir of his two-year LDS church mission to Bolivia! John talks about his mission, his time working for the church curriculum department, and the events that led him to lose belief in Mormonism!
Radio Free Mormon: 206: IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENTS!!!
Dec 02, 2020
RFM makes several important announcements involving the direction of the podcast, an update on the #GiveThanks episode from last week, and revealing a big secret about what has been going on behind the scenes at Radio Free Mormon! This is a must-listen!
Radio Free Mormon: 205: #GiveThanks
Nov 25, 2020
During this Thanksgiving season, global faith leader Russell M. Nelson has given the world the revelation direct from God that we should . . . wait for it . . . give thanks! Bill Reel, together with Allan and Kattie Mount join me for a fun dissection of President Nelson’s Message of Hope and Healing! #givethanks
Radio Free Mormon: 204: The Good, the Bad and the Ugly
Nov 20, 2020
Philip McLemore joins us again to share his fascinating experiences with LDS General Authorities including Ezra Taft Benson, Vaughn Featherstone, Paul Dunn, Marion Hanks, and more! Philip McLemore tells it all! The Good, the Bad and the Ugly!
Radio Free Mormon: 203: Confessions of a CES Director
Oct 30, 2020
Former CES Director Philip McLemore pulls back the curtain to give us a look behind the scenes at what really goes on in the Church Educational System. As a bonus, we also get to hear about the strange happenings on his mission to Brazil in the early 70s. Finally, Philip shares the untold story of how he was asked by top CES leadership to write up a thorough debunking of anti-Mormon criticisms back in the heyday of The Godmakers. And why it was that project never saw the light of day. This is one you don’t want to miss!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 202: The David Bokovoy Interview Part 3
Oct 23, 2020
Professor David Bokovoy and RFM dig deep into the third chapter of the Book of Abraham. What does all this material about astronomy really mean? And what can it tell us about the actual author? These questions, along with a host of others, are delved into in this fascinating discussion!
Radio Free Mormon: 201: General Conference Post Mortem, Part 1
Oct 15, 2020
Today RFM is joined by Jonathan Streeter of Thoughts on Things and Stuff to dissect the Saturday morning session of October 2020 General Conference! General Conference has never been so much fun!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 200: The David Bokovoy Interview, Part 2
Oct 02, 2020
Dr. David Bokovoy brings his formidable knowledge of Bible studies and textual analysis to bear on the Book of Abraham! How does the Book of Abraham hold up? This is one you don’t want to miss!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 199: The David Bokovoy Interview, part 1
Sep 25, 2020
In this wide-ranging interview, Dr. David Bokovoy talks about his experience trying to build a bridge between contemporary Bible scholarship and the Religious Education Department at BYU. *SPOILER ALERT* BYU wasn’t interested.
Closing music by The Dead Cowboys!
Radio Free Mormon: 198: Defender of the Faith, Lecture 10, Grace v. Works
Sep 21, 2020
This is Lecture 10 in my twelve-lecture Institute class on Defending the Faith taught at the University of Texas at Austin in the spring semester of 1989. In this class I show how to use the Bible to confute Born Again Christians who believe salvation is by grace alone!
Radio Free Mormon: 197: The Shawn McCraney Interview
Sep 16, 2020
Tonight we sit down with Born Again Mormon superstar Shawn McCraney and find out what makes him tick! This interview packs a lot into 90-minutes! (***Listener Warning for some mildly salty language–Shawn is a bad influence on me.)
Radio Free Mormon: 196: The Games People Play
Sep 09, 2020
RFM gives a rundown of the fallout apologists have been experiencing due to the Robert Ritner interviews! On top of that, three examples are given of the games apologists play in defending the Book of Abraham!
Radio Free Mormon: 195: Book of Abraham Fireside
Sep 02, 2020
Many Latter-day Saints are leaving the Church over issues relating to the Book of Abraham. In this special fireside, I talk about the most commonly heard criticisms of the Book of Abraham, and how faithful LDS scholars respond to them. This fireside is a must-listen for anyone with questions about the Book of Abraham.
Radio Free Mormon: 194: Brave Sir Kerry (Muhlestein)
Aug 26, 2020
Dr. Kerry Muhlestein, BYU Egyptologist apologist for the Book of Abraham, has finally responded to our invitation to have him and Dr. John Gee on the podcast to show Dr. Robert Ritner where he is wrong. Unfortunately, Dr. Muhlestein and Dr. Gee have declined the invitation. Not because they are scared, mind you, but because that is not the way “true scholars” discuss things. Sit back and enjoy a delightful dismembering of Dr. Muhlestein’s non-response response, as only RFM can!
Radio Free Mormon: 193: John Gee Comes Clean!
Aug 19, 2020
In a stunning reversal of events, John Gee publicly announces he no longer believes a long-touted evidence for the Book of Abraham is valid! This raises the question, how long has John Gee known this, and why has he been the major proponent of this evidence for decades? After a thorough examination of the evidence, RFM concludes we have to be cautious about taking at face value anything John Gee says about the Book of Abraham.
Radio Free Mormon: 192: Rock Waterman Unplugged!
Aug 14, 2020
The amazing Rock Waterman drops by RFM’s underground bunker to talk about what he’s been up to recently, and share some laughs. Fortunately, Rock is a good sport about RFM’s incessant ribbing! Two hours never went by so fast!
Radio Free Mormon: 191: Dr. Robert K. Ritner on the Book of Abraham part 3
Aug 12, 2020
John Dehlin and I conclude this historic three-part podcast interviewing Dr. Robert K. Ritner, world famous Egyptologist and former professor of Dr. John Gee of BYU. We cover a lot of ground in this 5 1/2 (!) hour episode, and before we are done, Dr. Ritner gets to finally give his version of the famous (and apparently apocryphal) story circulated by Dr. John Gee as to how Dr. Ritner was “removed” from Dr. Gee’s dissertation committee at Yale. Fasten your seat-belts; it’s going to be a bumpy night!
Radio Free Mormon: 190: The Adam Clarke Connection
Aug 07, 2020
Now that new research has established the dependency of Joseph Smith’s Bible translation on the Adam Clarke Bible Commentary, RFM launches into a spate of new and additional ideas and inferences that can be drawn from this conclusion. RFM shows how the Adam Clarke Bible Commentary may not only have influenced the JST, but also the Book of Mormon and even the Book of Abraham! That’s the sign post up ahead! Your next stop, The Adam Clarke Connection!
Radio Free Mormon: 189: Dr. Robert K. Ritner on the Book of Abraham part 2
Aug 04, 2020
In this episode, Dr. Ritner goes through Facsimiles Two and Three and shows how the actual Egyptian translations do not match those provided by Joseph Smith. We also go into depth on two of the apologists’ favorite arguments; (1) The practice of human sacrifice in ancient Egypt; and, (2) The translation of the four sons of Horus as representing the earth in its four quarters. Facsimile 3 rings the death knell on Joseph Smith’s ability to translate Egyptian.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT! As you know, Dr. Ritner needs a kidney because his is failing. If you can help, call Dana McClain, Northwestern Medicine Transplant Coordinator, at 312-695-0828. Donors will be given an application asking for Dr. Ritner’s date of birth. It is 05-05-1953. Thanks so much!!! RFM
Radio Free Mormon: 188: Dr. Robert K. Ritner on the Book of Abraham part 1
Jul 31, 2020
Dr. Robert K. Ritner is a world renowned Egyptologist and professor of Egyptology at the prestigious Oriental Institute at the University of Chicago. I am honored to have been invited by John Dehlin to engage in a multi-part interview with Dr. Ritner to explore his views on the Book of Abraham; a subject he is uniquely qualified to address. This is part one of that interview.
IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT! As you know, Dr. Ritner needs a kidney because his is failing. If you can help, call Dana McClain, Northwestern Medicine Transplant Coordinator, at 312-695-0828. Donors will be given an application asking for Dr. Ritner’s date of birth. It is 05-05-1953. Thanks so much!!! RFM
Radio Free Mormon: 187: “Borrowed Robes”–The JST’s Reliance on the Adam Clarke Bible Commentary
Jul 26, 2020
In their long anticipated and recently released research paper, Haley Wilson-Lemmon and BYU Professor Thomas Wayment demonstrate beyond a reasonable doubt that Joseph Smith used Adam Clarke’s Bible Commentary in his production of the Joseph Smith Translation of the Bible. RFM walks us through each and every one of the seventeen examples set forth in their groundbreaking article! This one is a game changer!
Radio Free Mormon: 186: The Temple and Me
Jul 19, 2020
RFM shares his first experience going through the LDS temple endowment!
Radio Free Mormon: 185: Teaching at Church
Jul 12, 2020
RFM has a lot of experience teaching at church over the past four decades! He presented some great stories and thoughts on the subject to a special gathering of Denver Snuffer followers in Europe!
Radio Free Mormon: 184: The Brian Hauglid Interview
Jul 06, 2020
Professor Brian Hauglid is recently retired from BYU where he spent 21-years as Professor of Ancient Scripture. The extensive work he has done on the Book of Abraham manuscripts has led him to state publicly that the “scholarship” of Book of Abraham apologists such as John Gee and Kerry Muhlestein is “abhorrent.” Professor Hauglid explains the research that has led him to this conclusion and a changing in his views on the Book of Abraham.
Radio Free Mormon: 183: An Evening with Carol Lynn Pearson
Jun 26, 2020
Carol Lynn Pearson, the Poet Laureate of Mormonism, drops by RFM’s underground bunker to chat about her life, her loves, and her latest projects! Prepare yourself for a very special experience!
Radio Free Mormon: 182: Born Again Mormons
Jun 18, 2020
Paul and Matt are former Mormons who have gone on to become Born Again Christians. RFM talks with them about their journey, answers their questions, and poses some questions of his own. A few of RFM’s questions get somewhat pointed, but Paul and Matt take it in stride and a good time is had by all!
Radio Free Mormon: 181: The Illusion of Agency Part 2, The Gay Devotional
Jun 12, 2020
RFM dissects the world-wide young adult devotional given on May 3, 2020 by Elder And Sister Gay. This devotional is a classic study in how the LDS Church gives its members freedom to choose with the right hand while simultaneously taking it away with the left.
Radio Free Mormon: 180: Ruling of the Utah State Records Committee
Jun 11, 2020
Today is the big day when the Utah State Records Committee issued its ruling on RFM’s public disclosure request for the emails directing BYUPD to withhold information relating to the Joseph Bishop rape investigation!
Radio Free Mormon: 179: The Illusion of Agency
Jun 04, 2020
How do LDS Church leaders get the members to do what they are told, while at the same time telling them they are free to choose? RFM digs into the heart of this fascinating subject!
Radio Free Mormon: 178: Marriage on a Tightrope – Without a Net!
May 29, 2020
RFM interviews the hosts of Marriage on a Tightrope, Kattie and Allan Mount. Kattie and Allan are in a mixed-faith marriage. Their podcast seeks to help others navigate the sometimes stormy waters of mixed-faith marriages.
Radio Free Mormon: 177: Abuse of Power
May 26, 2020
RFM compares a personal experience he had in 1985 with the way Joseph Smith practiced plural marriage. It’s hard to escape the fact Joseph abused his power. Badly.
Radio Free Mormon: 176: Born Again Book of Mormon Part 2
May 22, 2020
RFM reveals for the first time the contents of an unpublished manuscript. In it, RFM seeks to answer six questions raised by the fact the Book of Mormon teaches salvation by grace! Several surprising discoveries are made along the way!
Radio Free Mormon: 175: Born Again Book of Mormon
May 21, 2020
Does the Book of Mormon teach something about salvation entirely different from what the modern LDS Church teaches? This is one you don’t want to miss!
Radio Free Mormon: 174: Wednesday Update!
May 20, 2020
RFM makes a number of important announcements and goes over a fistful of messages from listeners spanning the past two years!
Radio Free Mormon: 173: The Fourteen Fundamentals of Following the Prophet
May 19, 2020
RFM takes a deep dive into Ezra Taft Benson’s classic talk. And comes up with a pearl or two for listeners!
Radio Free Mormon: 172: A Bad Defense is the Worst Offense Part 3
May 18, 2020
Today concludes RFM’s discussion with Jonathan Streeter on the subject of Joseph Smith’s polygamy–and the lengths some apologists will go to in order to try and justify it!
Radio Free Mormon: 171: A Bad Defense is the Worst Offense Part 2
May 15, 2020
RFM continues his historic discussion with Jonathan Streeter about Joseph Smith’s polygamy; and the defenses apologists use to try to justify it!
Radio Free Mormon: 170: SPECIAL REPORT–Utah State Records Committee Hearing
May 14, 2020
Today was the appeal hearing before the Utah State Records Committee. RFM has doggedly been pursuing release of emails between Brigham Young University and the BYU Police Department. These emails likely contain directives to the police to not release certain information contained in their reports damaging to BYU and the LDS Church. The Committee made their ruling at the end of the hearing. I won’t spoil the surprise by revealing it here! Let’s just say the Committee did not deny RFM’s appeal!
Radio Free Mormon: 169: A Bad Defense is the Worst Offense Part 1
May 13, 2020
RFM joins the fabulous Jonathan Streeter (and Yugio!) to investigate the best documented plural marriage of Joseph Smith. In the process, they manage to pick apart the most common defenses for Joseph’s polygamy put forward by Mormon apologists!
Radio Free Mormon: 168: My Last Talk in Sacrament Meeting
May 12, 2020
I gave this talk in sacrament meeting back in 2008. No wonder it was the last time I was asked to speak!
Radio Free Mormon: 167: Tithing Refund!
May 11, 2020
The good news is the First Presidency issued a letter announcing a tithing refund! The bad news is the letter’s a fake. What can we learn from this? RFM takes us on a deep dive!
Radio Free Mormon: 166: The Antipathetic Polygamist
May 08, 2020
RFM tells the story of a long-time friend named Sue. Sue was a happy Mormon wife and mother . . .until her husband starting collecting wives. This is one you don’t want to miss!
Radio Free Mormon: 165: A Mormon in the Dance Department
May 07, 2020
I want to dedicate today’s episode to my first dance teacher, Mr. Robert Smith, who passed away two years ago today. Thank you for being such an important influence in my life, Mr. Smith. I miss you. We all miss you.
Radio Free Mormon: 164: Little Trouble in Big China
May 06, 2020
Why did the Chinese government shanghai President Nelson’s announcement of a new temple on the mainland? RFM does some sleuthing to find out!
Radio Free Mormon: 163: Magic and the Book of Mormon Part 2
May 05, 2020
RFM digs deeper into how magic theory can illuminate our understanding of how it is Joseph Smith was able to perform the magical feat of translating The Book of Mormon out of a hat!
Radio Free Mormon: 162: John Larsen Interviews RFM
May 04, 2020
RFM was interviewed by John Larsen ten years ago on his epic podcast, “Mormon Expression.” In commemoration of that historic event, I am pleased to post that memorable interview (with permission) here at Radio Free Mormon!
Radio Free Mormon: 161: Magic and the Book of Mormon
May 01, 2020
RFM brings to bear his training as a magician on the translation process of the Book of Mormon. Suddenly, lots of pieces start falling into place! Was this just a magic trick? And has Joseph Smith been fooling people all along even down to the present day? This one is a must-listen!
Radio Free Mormon: 160: SPECIAL REPORT–MTC Sex Scandal Cover-Up
Apr 30, 2020
BREAKING NEWS! Radio Free Mormon presents newly discovered evidence that the LDS Church was involved in a cover-up of critical information relating to the Joseph Bishop–MTC Rape investigation. This is one you won’t want to miss!
Radio Free Mormon: 159: Revelation Revolution !
Apr 30, 2020
Why does President Russell M. Nelson feel compelled to label everything that comes out of his mouth as revelation? RFM digs into the current “revelation revolution” of President Nelson’s administration, and unearths a piece of evidence from 1986 that may shed important light on the subject!
Radio Free Mormon: 158: Adam-God Finale
Apr 28, 2020
RFM concludes his discussion of the Adam-God Theory. Though officially denounced by the church, the AGT has tentacles that still impact the doctrine and practice of modern Mormonism!
Radio Free Mormon: 157: Bad Apologetics
Apr 27, 2020
RFM gives a workshop in identifying and dismantling bad apologetics, using the Adam-God Theory as a classic example!
Radio Free Mormon: 156: Take Me Home, Country Roads
Apr 24, 2020
RFM tells how he “crossed paths” with two old friends; friends whose journeys in and out of the church are decidedly different from the road RFM is on. Get ready for a lot of fun and maybe even a few tears. Oh! And the church has another logo!
Radio Free Mormon: 155: The Essay That Started It All!
Apr 23, 2020
RFM performs the essay that got him into the podcasting biz! In it, RFM reveals the lengths the LDS Church will go to in order to keep its members from learning about the Adam-God Theory; and that Brigham Young taught it as doctrine for half a century!
Radio Free Mormon: 154: The Restoration Proclamation
Apr 22, 2020
RFM does a deep dive into the new proclamation unveiled at the most recent general conference. A comparison with the similar proclamation in 1980 yields surprising results!
Radio Free Mormon: 153: Gen Con Warm Up
Apr 21, 2020
RFM warms up in the bull pen for General Conference Review by sharing some great stories and audio from conferences past!
Radio Free Mormon: 152: Days of Thunder
Apr 20, 2020
RFM covers a number of issues today, including progression between kingdoms, the new church logo, President Nelson’s calls for fasting and prayer, and the death of common consent. Getting into the weeds has never been so much fun!
Radio Free Mormon: 151: Three Dimensional Chess
Apr 17, 2020
RFM concludes his three-part series sharing original research into how the narrative of Jesus’s ministry as recorded in the Book of Mormon contains a surprising degree of literary complexity.
RFM celebrates his 150th episode! Deep gratitude to all of you who have made this possible! Today we continue with RFM’s original research into the Savior’s visit to the Americas as recorded in the Book of Mormon. But first, some important announcements!
Radio Free Mormon: 149: Overcoming Gravitational Fields
Apr 15, 2020
RFM shows how clinging to religious convictions in spite of the evidence can tether us to places where we cannot grow or learn. Only by cutting the ties that bind us down can we overcome the gravitational forces in our lives and explore new and amazing vistas. To infinity! And beyond!
Radio Free Mormon: 148: The Book of Mormon on Trial
Apr 14, 2020
RFM presents competing cases for and against the truthfulness of the Book of Mormon. You are the jury. What will your verdict be?
Radio Free Mormon: 147: Hiding in Plain Sight
Apr 13, 2020
RFM dissects the first talk in the most recent General Conference given by Elder M. Russell Ballard on the First Vision. Is Elder Ballard hiding things in plain sight? You decide!
Radio Free Mormon: 146: That Time I Got Molested as a Kid
Apr 10, 2020
TRIGGER WARNING! RFM tells how he was sexually molested when he was ten years old.
Radio Free Mormon: 145: From Childhood’s Hour
Apr 09, 2020
RFM shares a fistful of formative experiences with religion he had growing up. These experiences shaped him into the teenager who accepted Mormonism right after graduating from high school. And perhaps these experiences also shaped him into the man who became . . . Radio Free Mormon.
Radio Free Mormon: 144: There Will Come Soft Rains
Apr 08, 2020
And now for something completely different! RFM shows us how he uses great literature to deal with the current Corona Virus crisis! Be sure and leave a comment as to whether you like this podcast and would like to see more along this line.
Joseph Bishop – BYU PD Interview Released
Apr 08, 2020
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. This is all of the release in one place.
Radio Free Mormon: 143: MTC Sex Scandal–The Recordings Part 3
Apr 07, 2020
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. These recordings will be released in three parts. In Part 3, we release three separate recordings of conversations conducted after the BYUPD interview with Joseph Bishop: (1) A phone call between BYUPD and McKenna Denson asking follow up questions; (2) A phone message from McKenna Denson to BYUPD thanking them for their courtesy and professionalism; and, (3) a phone call to BYUPD in which Joseph Bishop supplies more information in addition to what he disclosed during the interview.
Radio Free Mormon: 142: MTC Sex Scandal–The Recordings Part 2
Apr 07, 2020
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. These recordings will be released in three parts. In Part 2, we release the recording of the interview conducted by BYU Police Department of Joseph Bishop at his home in Arizona in early December, 2017.
Radio Free Mormon: 141: MTC Sex Scandal–The Recordings Part 1
Apr 07, 2020
After a two-year legal battle with the BYU Police Department, Radio Free Mormon has finally succeeded in obtaining copies of audio recordings related to their investigation of former MTC President Joseph Bishop for allegedly raping a sister missionary in 1984. These recordings will be released in three parts. In Part 1, we release the recording of the criminal complaint made to the BYUPD by Mckenna Denson in early December of 2017.
Radio Free Mormon: 140: A Conference Unlike Any Other
Apr 06, 2020
RFM gives us a few thoughts on the highlights of the April 2020 General Conference that has just concluded. We were told it would be a conference unlike any other. But was it really? Listen to Radio Free Mormon to get his take!
Radio Free Mormon: 139: General Conference McNuggets Part 8
Apr 03, 2020
Joyous cries are heard throughout the land as RFM releases the final podcast in his mammoth eight-part series examining October General Conference from 2019! This is definitely one for the record books!
Radio Free Mormon: 138: General Conference McNuggets Part 7
Apr 02, 2020
RFM dives into the Sunday morning session of October General Conference, 2019, and spends some time detailing the LDS Church’s love-hate relationship with Native Americans.
Radio Free Mormon: 137: General Conference McNuggets Part 6
Apr 01, 2020
RFM keeps crushing General Conference as only he can! Up on the chopping block are talks by all three members of the First Presidency! Care for some tasty McNuggets, anyone?
Radio Free Mormon: 136: General Conference McNuggets Part 5
Mar 31, 2020
RFM continues bulldozing his way through General Conference of October 2019. Taking the “Con” out of General Conference is a Radio Free Mormon tradition!
Radio Free Mormon: 135: Gen Con McNuggets Part 4 – Women’s Session
Mar 30, 2020
RFM begins his review of the General Conference Women’s Session from October of 2019. There is so much to talk about, he gets only half way through the session! Enjoy! And hey, hey, hey! Let’s be careful out there!
Radio Free Mormon: 134: General Conference McNuggets Part 3
Mar 27, 2020
President Nelson announces a day of prayer and fasting to halt the Corona Virus. You just knew RFM was going to be talking about this! Afterward, RFM continues his take-down of October 2019 General Conference. The Conference Center is open and seats are surprisingly plentiful! Come join the fun!
Radio Free Mormon: 133: General Conference McNuggets Part 2
Mar 26, 2020
RFM continues his review of highlights from October General Conference of 2019. We even find some more hidden predictions of the Corona Virus. What a blessing it is to have prophets who lead the church!
Radio Free Mormon: 132: General Conference McNuggets
Mar 25, 2020
RFM reviews a few listener comments and starts covering some of the high points from October 2019 General Conference.
Radio Free Mormon: 131: My Corona
Mar 24, 2020
Tonight we deal with the amazing way prophets foretold the Corona Virus. Radio Free Mormon does his part to relieve the boredom of those sheltering at home by upping his output of scintillating podcasts.
Radio Free Mormon: 130: Backdating Prophecy
Mar 22, 2020
Bible scholars use tools of textual analysis to identify backdated prophecies. RFM points out several examples in Isaiah, Daniel and the New Testament. Then he uses those same tools on the Book of Mormon. The results are startling!
Radio Free Mormon: 129: Lost in Translation Part 4
Mar 08, 2020
RFM concludes his 4-part miniseries on Joseph Smith’s translation of the Book of Mormon with a bang! If you like what RFM is presenting, please donate today at radiofreemormon.org! Your contribution keeps Radio Free Mormon broadcasting behind enemy lines!
Radio Free Mormon: 128: Lost in Translation Part 3
Mar 01, 2020
RFM blows the lid off the church essay on Book of Mormon translation. The essay uses two quotes from Oliver Cowdery to support the dominant narrative. But when RFM digs deeper into these two quotes, the wheels start coming off the wagon!
Radio Free Mormon: 127: Lost in Translation Part 2
Feb 23, 2020
Radio Free Mormon continues his investigation of the events surrounding the translation of the Book of Mormon. This episode is cram packed with new insights and fascinating discoveries!
Radio Free Mormon: 126: Lost in Translation, Part 1
Feb 16, 2020
Tonight we begin a fascinating investigation of how Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon. This is one you won’t want to miss!
Radio Free Mormon: 125: Defender of the Faith Lecture 9
Feb 07, 2020
We conclude our discussion of the Mormon Doctrine of Deity, spending a good chunk of the class on showing how the Bible teaches the LDS doctrine that men (and women) can become gods. We even find a bit of room at the end for a discussion of polygamy! Radio Free Mormon, Defender of the Faith, strikes again!
Radio Free Mormon: 124: Apostasy Now!
Feb 02, 2020
RFM packs into one podcast a number of ideas revolving around the common theme of apostasy. 1. Is one an apostate for believing some church teachings while rejecting other contradictory church teachings? 2. What is the true definition of “apostasy” in the church? 3. Is the LDS Church itself in apostasy? “I love the smell of napalm in the morning!”
Radio Free Mormon: 123: Mormon Racism Revival
Jan 26, 2020
The Mormon world was recently rocked when it was discovered a brand new church manual contains racist teachings from a former prophet.
Special guests Bill Reel and Jonathan Streeter join RFM to discuss the controversy.
This is one for the record books!
Radio Free Mormon: 122: Resolving Spiritual Experiences
Jan 19, 2020
RFM flew to Utah to give a special presentation at the St. George Post-Mormon Group on January 12, 2020.
This is the audio of that presentation, together with a lengthy and lively Q&A session afterward.
I had a blast! Special thanks to everybody who showed up!
Radio Free Mormon: 121: Defender of the Faith Lecture 8
Jan 12, 2020
This lecture from my 1989 Institute Class, “Defending the Faith,” demonstrates conclusively that the LDS Doctrine of Deity, though unusual in many respects, is completely vindicated by the Holy Bible!
Radio Free Mormon: 120: How About an Apology for the Priesthood Ban?
Jan 05, 2020
Tonight we take a look at the church essay on race and the priesthood.
Radio Free Mormon style!
Radio Free Mormon: 119: Hundred Billion Dollar Baby
Dec 28, 2019
Today Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel work together to discuss the multiple facets of the recent breaking story that the LDS Church has 100 billion dollars stockpiled in Ensign Peak Advisers, and investment arm of the Church. We listed all the resources of this shared in this podcast below.
“If paying tithing means that you can’t pay for water or electricity, pay tithing. If paying tithing means that you can’t pay your rent, pay tithing. Even if paying tithing means that you don’t have enough money to feed your family, pay tithing. The Lord will not abandon you.” – Quote 1 to pay tithing before feeding children
One day during those difficult times, I heard my parents discussing whether they should pay tithing or buy food for the children. On Sunday, I followed my father to see what he was going to do. After our Church meetings, I saw him take an envelope and put his tithing in it. That was only part of the lesson. The question that remained for me was what we were going to eat. – Quote 2 on paying tithing before feeding your children
Among those who do not sacrifice there are two extremes: one is the rich, gluttonous man who won’t and the other is the poor, destitute man who believes he can’t. But how can you ask someone who is starving to eat less? Is there a level of poverty so low that sacrifice should not be expected or a family so destitute that paying tithing should cease to be required? Faith isn’t tested so much when the cupboard is full as when it is bare. In these defining moments, the crisis doesn’t create one’s character—it reveals it. The crisis is the test. – Quote 3 on paying tithing before feeding oneself adequately
“I repeat that the Church is frequently spoken of as an institution of great wealth. When all is said and done, the Church is wealthy only in the faith of its people. One of the expressions of that faith is the payment of tithing. The Church is spoken of as an institution with great business interests. The income from those business properties would keep the Church going for only a very short time.” – President Gordon B Hinckley – https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/gordon-b-hinckley/widows-mite/
Furthermore, I want to say to you, we may not be able to reach it right away, but we expect to see the day when we will not have to ask you for one dollar of donation for any purpose, except that which you volunteer to give of your own accord, because we will have tithes sufficient in the storehouse of the Lord to pay everything that is needful for the advancement of the kingdom of God. I want to live to see that day, if the Lord will spare my life. It does not make any difference, though, so far as that is concerned, whether I live or not. That is the true policy, the true purpose of the Lord in the management of the affairs of His Church. – Quote on Tithing ending once the Church had sufficient funds
Radio Free Mormon: 118: A Radio Free Mormon Christmas
Dec 22, 2019
RFM shares stories from Christmas past!
Radio Free Mormon style!
Radio Free Mormon: 117: How Do You Solve a Problem Like Translation?
Dec 19, 2019
More and more evidence is accumulating that shows Joseph Smith’s translations are actually a cobbling together of contemporary sources.
Faithful LDS scholars try to account for this by bending the word “translation” into a thousand fantastic shapes.
This is their story.
Radio Free Mormon: 116: The Amazingly Subversive Terryl Givens
Dec 08, 2019
In his most recent book, noted scholar Terryl Givens gives us a fistful of reasons to suspect he is a subversive influence on the LDS Church. And that’s just in the first chapter!
Radio Free Mormon: 115: Arguing Against the Evidence
Dec 01, 2019
How far would you go to prove the LDS Church true? Would you make an argument that you knew was contradicted by the evidence? Would you feel safe doing so because the evidence that would prove you wrong was hidden away where nobody else could find it? Joseph Fielding Smith would. And did! This is the story.
Radio Free Mormon: 114: Defender of the Faith Lecture 7
Nov 24, 2019
Lecture 7 wraps up my discussion of commonly heard criticisms against Joseph Smith.
Included is part of a fiery sermon by a local Church of Christ minister, as well as a remarkable spiritual experience.
If you are troubled by anti-Mormons that go bump in the night, who you gonna call? Radio Free Mormon, Defender of the Faith!
Radio Free Mormon: 113: Mormon Stories Interview Part 7
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this last part, I make some concluding observations and comments.
Radio Free Mormon: 112: Mormon Stories Interview Part 6
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I answer questions from listeners.
Radio Free Mormon: 111: Mormon Stories Interview Part 5
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about the genesis of Radio Free Mormon.
Radio Free Mormon: 110: Mormon Stories Interview Part 4
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my faith transition.
Radio Free Mormon: 109: Mormon Stories Interview Part 3
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my Mormon scholarship.
Radio Free Mormon: 108: Mormon Stories Interview Part 2
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my days as a Mormon apologist.
Radio Free Mormon: 107: Mormon Stories Interview Part 1
Nov 18, 2019
I had a blast talking with John Dehlin on Mormon Stories!
There are seven parts to this interview covering a wide array of issues.
In this part, I talk about my conversion to the LDS Church.
Radio Free Mormon: 106: Halloween Special
Oct 30, 2019
Tonight, Radio Free Mormon shares some personal stories about close encounters with the dark forces of the supernatural.
Don’t listen to this episode alone!
Radio Free Mormon: 105: Lila Tueller’s Faith Journey
Oct 27, 2019
Lila Tueller is the daughter of Hartman Rector, Jr.
Lila talks about what it was like growing up with a famous General Authority for a father, and how her faith journey ultimately led her out of the LDS church.
Radio Free Mormon: 104: Defender of the Faith Lecture 6
Oct 20, 2019
Lecture 6 covers commonly heard criticisms of the prophecies of Joseph Smith.
If you are troubled by anti-Mormons that go bump in the night, who you gonna call?
Radio Free Mormon, Defender of the Faith!
Radio Free Mormon: 103: An Interview with Patrick Mason
Oct 20, 2019
Professor Patrick Mason sits down for an interview with Bill Reel and Radio Free Mormon.
We delve into how Professor Mason deals with thorny issues in Mormonism.
Professor Mason is not afraid of the tough questions.
Radio Free Mormon: 102: The Exaltation Complication
Oct 13, 2019
Tonight Radio Free Mormon explores the idea of exaltation in the LDS Church. RFM shows how this relatively simple concept becomes more and more complicated the more we examine it. Ultimately it is on the floor in tatters. This is . . . the Exaltation Complication!
Radio Free Mormon: 101: General Conference McNuggets
Oct 06, 2019
This podcast squeezes in a ton of spiritual nuggets from last General Conference.
Fast paced and engaging, this is one you won’t want to miss!
Radio Free Mormon: 100: Unanswered Prayers
Sep 29, 2019
Does God answer all the prayers of his righteous children? Church leaders say yes. Tonight, Radio Free Mormon puts this claim under the microscope, and also shares some personal stories dealing with the issue.
Radio Free Mormon: 99: The Prophet Who Kicked the Hornet’s Nest
Sep 20, 2019
In a recent BYU speech, President Nelson explained the background behind the 2015 Policy of Exclusion and its reversal 3 1/2 years later.
How well did President Nelson do?
Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel give you their take.
This is the one you’ve been waiting for!
Radio Free Mormon: 98: My Meeting with the Stake President
Sep 15, 2019
Tonight Radio Free Mormon tells us all about his meeting with the stake president.
Radio Free Mormon: 96: Defender of the Faith Part 5
Sep 01, 2019
Radio Free Mormon was neck-deep in Mormon apologetics during the 1980s.
At the apex of his apologetic career, RFM presented a 12-lecture series as an Institute class in the spring of 1989.
This is the fifth lecture in that series.
Lecture Five deals largely with Joseph Smith’s early involvement in folk magic.
This was a hot-button issue of the day.
Even as an apologist, RFM was not afraid of dealing with the difficult issues!
Return with us now to those thrilling days of yesteryear.
Radio Free Mormon rides again!
Radio Free Mormon: 95: The Case for the Book of Mormon? Part 2
Aug 25, 2019
Radio Free Mormon is joined by Bill Reel for this in-depth discussion of Elder Tad Callister’s recent video, “A Case for the Book of Mormon.”
Join us for this 20,000 foot view of Mormon apologetics.
Radio Free Mormon style!
Radio Free Mormon: 94: The Case for the Book of Mormon? Part 1
Aug 25, 2019
Radio Free Mormon is joined by Bill Reel for this in-depth discussion of Elder Tad Callister’s recent video, “A Case for the Book of Mormon.”
Join us for this 20,000 foot view of Mormon apologetics.
Radio Free Mormon style!
Radio Free Mormon: 93: RFM Goes to Sunstone
Aug 11, 2019
This podcast contains the complete audio of my presentation at Sunstone on August 2, 2019.
Thank you so much to everybody who showed up!
I had a great time and I hope you did, too!
I have the most intelligent and thoughtful listenership of any podcast out there!
You are the best!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 92: Going Down to Kwaku Town
Aug 01, 2019
Radio Free Mormon’s last podcast dealing with young Mormon apologist Kwaku El has been getting a LOT of attention!
RFM is releasing this special edition podcast to answer some questions that have been raised relating to that podcast, and to clarify some additional issues.
Ultimately, however, RFM puts Kwaku squarely on the horns of a dilemma.
Will Kwaku admit to being Kwaku the Deceiver, or merely Kwaku the Deceived?
The ball is now in Kwaku’s court!
Radio Free Mormon: 91: Kwaku the Deceiver
Jul 28, 2019
Kwaku El is one of the rising generation of young Mormon apologists.
In a recent video, Kwaku attempts to prove the Book of Abraham is true.
But in doing so, Kwaku employs a well known apologetic trick; well known to Radio Free Mormon, at least.
In fact, Radio Free Mormon publicly exposed this very apologetic trick in a podcast published seven months BEFORE Kwaku posted his video.
Some tricks need to be retired from the apologist playbook.
Radio Free Mormon: 90: Does the LDS Church Continue to Hide Its History?
Jul 21, 2019
Tonight, Radio Free Mormon shows how the LDS Church continues to hide its history.
He first gives a whirlwind tour of the four primary accounts of Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
RFM then looks at the new church history titled “Saints” and exposes the contortions the authors go through in order to tell a faith promoting account of the First Vision without ever mentioning the contradictions between the various accounts.
In order to see how the LDS Church continues to hide its history, we have to be as conversant with the different First Vision accounts as are the church historians who gloss over the differences and contradictions in “Saints.”
It takes a thief to catch a thief.
And Radio Free Mormon definitely catches the church historians off first base in their creative, if not deceptive, recounting of Joseph Smith’s First Vision!
Radio Free Mormon: 89: Defender of the Faith Part 4
Jul 14, 2019
Radio Free Mormon devotes an entire class period to an in depth defense of the different accounts of Joseph Smith’s First Vision.
You won’t want to miss this one!
Radio Free Mormon: 88: Defender of the Faith Part 3
Jul 14, 2019
Radio Free Mormon continues with the third lecture from his Institute class from spring of 1989 on Defending the Faith.
Lecture Three completes the discussion commenced in Lecture Two about how to respond to commonly heard criticisms of the Book of Mormon.
Anybody who wants to be able to defend the Book of Mormon against the critics should give this episode a listen!
Radio Free Mormon: 87: Face to Face with Radio Free Mormon
Jul 10, 2019
Radio Free Mormon will be presenting a Face to Face Devotional at the Sunstone Symposium, Friday, August 2, 2019 at 3:45 p.m.
You are invited to submit any questions you want in the comment section below.
Please listen to the podcast for additional details and ground rules.
I look forward to seeing you at Sunstone!
Radio Free Mormon: 86: RFM v. BYUPD: The Coverup Continues
Jul 07, 2019
In this podcast, Radio Free Mormon documents the facts leading to the conclusion that the BYU Police Department is refusing to release information damaging to the LDS Church. This is information that no police agency, acting on its own, would normally try to hide. Because of this, in a second round of public disclosure requests, RFM wants copies of documentation relating to who is making these decisions to not release this information . . . and why. Unsurprisingly, the BYUPD is refusing to release this information, as well. Looks like we are headed back to the Utah State Records Committee on appeal! Listen in on everything that has been going on behind the scenes, and why it is RFM is scheduled to have his case heard by the Utah State Records Committee on September 12, 2019.
Radio Free Mormon: 085: Was the 1835 First Vision Account Suppressed?
Jun 30, 2019
After all this back and forth with Dan Peterson, RFM was motivated to take a second look at the circumstances of the 1835 First Vision account. After all, Mr. Peterson, the artful dodger of Mormon Apologetics did say “Is it possible that Elder Joseph Fielding Smith… sat on one or more unpublished First Vision accounts? Yes, it is.” So with that RFM takes a look at why the 1835 First Vision accounts was missing essentially just as long as the 1832 account.
Radio Free Mormon: 084: The Miracle Making of President Nelson
Jun 23, 2019
RFM tackles President Nelson’s seeming embellishment of his life and role as LDS President and Prophet. RFm uses three examples from recent history and shows that Nelson has little issue with adding extra details or removing others in order to add a “miracle-like” perception to his life and experiences.
Radio Free Mormon: 083: The Missing Sixteen Pages
Jun 16, 2019
RFM today tackles the fact that not only was the 1832 account (6 pages) excised by someone within the Church History Department of the LDS Church and stored away for decades but that in fact there are another 16 pages that were also cut out and never returned and missing to this day.
Radio Free Mormon: 082: Daniel Peterson Defends His Honor
Jun 16, 2019
RFM having seen Dan Peterson post not one but two blog posts in response to RFM episode #69, revisits Dan obfuscation around having been dishonest about the suppression of First Vision accounts and how Dan is trying to help his loyal followers make sense of his words.
Radio Free Mormon: 081: Daniel C. Peterson: The Artful Dodger of Mormon Apologetics
Jun 09, 2019
Radio Free Mormon speaks about the 1 year anniversary of his episode #33 Selling Your Soul for Apologetics…………. And you won’t want to miss this. It involves Kiwi57, Stephen “Bukkake” Smoot, and of course our dear friend Daniel C. Peterson.
In the previous Episode #33 RFM made it clear that Daniel C Peterson had lied but also that Dan had indeed added multiple other lies and obfuscations on top to buffer him from being accountable to his deception. But good ole’ Dan was clear he had not lied and he would in his own good time respond and clear his name…….. And here we are, 1 year later…… and no response yet!
Radio Free Mormon: 080: Will The Real McKenna Denson Please Stand Up!
May 30, 2019
Today RFM and Bill Reel take time to evaluate the latest events in the McKenna Denson case. Namely Poisoned Orange Juice, A car in flames, and a two attacker assault as well as Mike Norton’s recent tirade expose of McKenna’s past. While McKenna’s past has always been known to be checkered, the recent events raised questions about whether it was McKenna herself who was tainting her own OJ, lighting her own car ablaze, and receiving injuries from her own actions rather than assailants many in the critical thinking Mormon arena are suddenly taking a second look at her past infractions and beginning to see a pattern of a grifter and scam artist who is up to the same old tricks which only serve to dismantle what little credibility she had left.
Radio Free Mormon: 079: Why Are Mormons So Fake
May 26, 2019
RFM today attempts to start his General Conference review but only gets as far as the first talk he examines…. Elder Soares talk from Saturday Morning. At this point RFM is stopped in his tracks as he encounters a flooding of connections and thoughts related to how Mormons are trained to sacrifice their authenticity in order to always make the Church look good through faking happiness, faking competency, faking family life, faking joy at the gospel and service within it. Faking Faking Faking. So today Radio Free Mormon goes off the rails to address WHY MORMONS ARE SO FAKE!
Radio Free Mormon: 078: Defender Of The Faith Part 2
May 20, 2019
Today RFM tackles part two of his time as an apologist for the faith. How Young RFM was intimately aware of the “Anti-Mormon” material and even taught a 12 week course on Mormon Apologetics. He recorded those 12 weeks of conversation on cassette tape.And today you get the chance to listen to Part 2.
Radio Free Mormon: 077: Defender Of The Faith Part 1
May 13, 2019
Today RFM tells you his early history as an apologist for the faith. How even as a Young man he was intimately aware of the “Anti-Mormon” material and even taught a 12 week course on Mormon Apologetics…….. Really cool surprise in this episode. He recorded those 12 weeks of conversation on cassette tape……. Now Where are those cassettes and what happened to them. Your about to find out!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 076: Spying For The Lord
May 02, 2019
Todays Episode of Radio Free Mormon has RFM reaching out personally to the Strengthening Church Members Committee. You heard that right. RFM picked up the phone and called Elder Dyches of the Seventy and a member of the strengthening Church Members Committee to see what they might tell him about his file there and what the Church had on him. In the end this secret organization told RFM way more than they got about its anonymous caller on the other end of their line. This episode also features the closing song by Weird Alma
Radio Free Mormon: 075: President Nelson Jumps The Shark
Apr 21, 2019
From Deep down in the bunker “Behind Enemy Lines” RFM tackles the recent dismantling of its November 2015 LGBT Policy. RFM in his unique fashion does a dismantling of his own showing That LDS President, Russel M Nelson has once and for all shown he has not only no access to god, but that he can’t tell a revelation from a hole in the ground.
Today RFM sits down with Bill Reel to discuss his time in FairMormon as way into seeing how FairMormon operates. They discuss How Bill was recruited to be part of FairMormon, what his involvement was including FairMormon winning the 2013 Podcast Awards with Bill being a heavy contributor to their podcast that year. What all went into their falling out and how FairMormon operates behind the scenes.
Radio Free Mormon: 073: The Pharisee Phenomenon Pt 3
Mar 24, 2019
Today Radio Free Mormon share with us the “Pharisee Phenomenon” as found in the LDS Church. Running through 12 examples where all the fun lies. RFM shows us what it means to be pharisaical in the LDS Church. Its not everyday you get to explore LDS Leaders practicing or advocating strict observance of external forms and ceremonies of religion or conduct without regard to the spirit. Part 3 of 3
Radio Free Mormon: 072: The Pharisee Phenomenon Pt 2
Mar 17, 2019
Today Radio Free Mormon share with us the “Pharisee Phenomenon” as found in the LDS Church. Running through 12 examples where all the fun lies. RFM shows us what it means to be pharisaical in the LDS Church. Its not everyday you get to explore LDS Leaders practicing or advocating strict observance of external forms and ceremonies of religion or conduct without regard to the spirit.
Radio Free Mormon: 071: The Pharisee Phenomenon Pt 1
Mar 17, 2019
Today Radio Free Mormon share with us the “Pharisee Phenomenon” as found in the LDS Church. Running through 12 examples where all the fun lies. RFM shows us what it means to be pharisaical in the LDS Church. Its not everyday you get to explore LDS Leaders practicing or advocating strict observance of external forms and ceremonies of religion or conduct without regard to the spirit.
Radio Free Mormon: 070: The Corbridge Manuever – Part 2
Mar 03, 2019
Today on Radio Free Mormon RFM and Bill Reel dissect the talk Stand Forever, given on the 22nd of January 2019 by Elder Lawrence Corbridge, a member of the Seventy of the LDS Church. Several Major Points come out
– Elder Corbridge seems to have had a level of faith crisis himself while on assignment from the Leadership to dig into “antagonistic material” regarding the Church.
-His gloom while claimed not to be Cognitive Dissonance (Belief Bias) and instead to be the absence of the Holy Ghost is irrational and illogical.
– The LDS Flow Chart regardless of your experience leads to the Church being true. If you get an answer that the Church is true, then the Church is true. If you get an answer that the Church isn’t true, you’ve been deceived and the Church is true. If you get no answer, you are to rely on the words of others who know the Church is true because the Church is true. If you decide the problematic issues (Secondary Questions) impose the Church isn’t true, then shift your focus to the the Primary Questions which you already decided point to the Church is true, because the Church is true. All Roads lead to the Church is true. The Church has given you no viable formula to arrive at the Church is false.
– Elder Corbridge argues that the Divine method (Spiritual Feelings) trumps the Scientific Method, the Analytical Method, and the Academic Method (actual science) in spite of the Divine Method being historically demonstrably less effective at arriving at truth. Even Prophets when allowing the Divine Method to trump the Other three have been led to great error decades on end.
– The reason the Divine Method is held up as superior and trumps the other three because the other three if allowed to be given their weight all lead the honest seeker of truth out of the Church. Meanwhile the Divine method is the only method the Church can use to manipulate the person who wants the Church to be true to believe it is true.
– And they finish speaking to how much of his own faith crisis Elder Corbridge has exposed within his talk.
Radio Free Mormon: 069: The Corbridge Manuever – Part 1
Mar 03, 2019
Today on Radio Free Mormon RFM and Bill Reel dissect the talk Stand Forever, given on the 22nd of January 2019 by Elder Lawrence Corbridge, a member of the Seventy of the LDS Church. Several Major Points come out
– Elder Corbridge seems to have had a level of faith crisis himself while on assignment from the Leadership to dig into “antagonistic material” regarding the Church.
-His gloom while claimed not to be Cognitive Dissonance (Belief Bias) and instead to be the absence of the Holy Ghost is irrational and illogical.
– The LDS Flow Chart regardless of your experience leads to the Church being true. If you get an answer that the Church is true, then the Church is true. If you get an answer that the Church isn’t true, you’ve been deceived and the Church is true. If you get no answer, you are to rely on the words of others who know the Church is true because the Church is true. If you decide the problematic issues (Secondary Questions) impose the Church isn’t true, then shift your focus to the the Primary Questions which you already decided point to the Church is true, because the Church is true. All Roads lead to the Church is true. The Church has given you no viable formula to arrive at the Church is false.
– Elder Corbridge argues that the Divine method (Spiritual Feelings) trumps the Scientific Method, the Analytical Method, and the Academic Method (actual science) in spite of the Divine Method being historically demonstrably less effective at arriving at truth. Even Prophets when allowing the Divine Method to trump the Other three have been led to great error decades on end.
– The reason the Divine Method is held up as superior and trumps the other three because the other three if allowed to be given their weight all lead the honest seeker of truth out of the Church. Meanwhile the Divine method is the only method the Church can use to manipulate the person who wants the Church to be true to believe it is true.
– And they finish speaking to how much of his own faith crisis Elder Corbridge has exposed within his talk.
Radio Free Mormon: 067: The Book Of Abraham – Missing Scrolls, Catalyst Theories, and Bad Apologetics Part 3
Feb 17, 2019
Today we explore
the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following.
Today we explore the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following.
– Brian Hauglid’s Constructive criticism of parts 1 & 2
– Kerry Muhlestein’s Ensign Article – Robert Ritner’s criticism of the Book of Abraham Gospel Topic Essay
– John Gee being asked about responding to Robert Ritner
– Correspondence with non-mormon Egyptologists including Kara Cooney
– And lastly Robin Scott Jensen’s comments which indicate the LDS Position is understood to be deeply problematic
<!– Brian Hauglid’s Constructive criticism of parts 1 & 2
<!– Kerry Muhlestein’s Ensign Article
– Robert Ritner’s criticism of the Book of Abraham Gospel Topic Essay
– John Gee being asked about responding to Robert Ritner
<!– Correspondence with non-mormon Egyptologists including Kara Cooney
<!– And lastly Robin Scott Jensen’s comments which indicate the LDS Position is understood to be deeply problematic
REASONS THE MISSING SCROLL THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– We know because of Abraham 1:12 and 1:14 itself points to Facsimile 1 and the very text in the papyri following it as the source text of the book of Abraham
– We know from the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar document that if we choose to be rational and logical the most reasonable interpretation of that document is that it represents Joseph Smith’s translation of The Book of Abraham.
– An early Egyptologist named Gustavus Seyffarth viewed the missing papyrus in 1856 and described only the Hor text and Facsimile 3. He gave no indication of another text on the scroll, and in fact explicitly denied that the scroll contained a record of Abraham.
– Klaus Baer predicted that the missing portion of the Hor text would be around sixty centimeters. Others who have attempted the estimate of the missing length agreed almost exactly with Baer’s estimate.
In the end a Missing Scroll theory is simply a Red Herring. Why we know that a missing scroll does not matter? We know where Joseph was translating and it was on the existing papyri. There is a set of documents that the church has always had in its possession commonly referred to as the “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” by Joseph Smith. Most of us remember hearing a little bit about it growing up in the church but not really knowing what it was. It was only briefly and rarely mentioned in church. With the discovery of the missing papyri in 1966, critics claim that these documents show a definite link between the papyri and the actual text of the Book of Abraham. The manuscript is in the handwriting of William W. Phelps and Warren Parrish, scribes to Joseph Smith, Jr. It is a bound book with handwriting on 34 pages with about 184 blank pages remaining throughout the book. There are characters in a left hand column with English explanations to the right. Original in LDS archives. There are 4 pages in Joseph Smith’s handwriting.
REASONS THE CATALYST THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed the papyri was the writings of Abraham.
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed it was written by Abraham’s own hand. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith about the identity of the author of the papyri characters.
– Joseph and his scribes wrote down the very symbols from the papyri we have along with a proposed meaning of those hieroglyphics and symbols in a document named Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar indicating strongly a literal translation.
– Joseph Smith‘s translation and restoration of the facsimiles was incorrect. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to incorrectly translate and restore the facsimiles.
– The text of the Book of Abraham itself (1:12 and 1:14) declares that the source of the Book of Abraham has the Facsimile 1 fragment at its commencement, which is the Breathing Permit of Hor. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to record verses in the Book of Abraham that incorrectly refer to the Facsimile 1 fragment.
– The Small Sensen (Breathing Permit of Hor) characters are copied in order into the manuscripts where they are translated into the Book of Abraham. Therefore, Smith‘s own manuscripts indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
– The Egyptian Alphabets end with two characters which appear in the manuscripts as the beginning of the Small Sensen and which translate into Abraham 1:1. Therefore, the Egyptian Alphabets indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
RESOURCES: Book Of Abraham conundrum simplified – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/My-Concerns-Book-of-Abraham-1.pdf
Brian Hauglid on Mormon Discussion – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/2015/01/brian-hauglid-the-book-of-abraham/
MormonThink Translation and Historicity Issues – http://www.mormonthink.com/essays-book-of-abraham.htm
MormonThink Book of Abraham – http://www.mormonthink.com/book-of-abraham-issues.htm
Episode Links:Muhlestein lying about Abraham on the Lion Couch – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLbFpWlVLx8
John Gee acknowledging he will hold back facts if they could hurt faith – https://www.fairmormon.org/blog/2018/11/06/fairmormon-conference-podcast-17-john-gee-selling-our-birthright-for-a-mess-of-pottage-the-historical-authenticity-of-the-book-of-abraham
Brian Hauglid commenting about his shifted view – https://www.facebook.com/dan.vogel.35/posts/1398006876998582?hc_location=ufi
Robin Scott Jensen on the Book of Abraham – http://www.ldsperspectives.com/2018/11/07/book-of-abraham/ The Best Evidence for the Book of Abraham: Abraham in the Prayer Position – https://archive.org/details/egyptianhierogly01budguoft/page/n103 Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 1 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AtJT_xjIgdM
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 2 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcuCf5R7rF4
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 3 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEVSEL3K5OE
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 4 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64_kNhrwZfA
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 5 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CySUdq2fNdQ
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 6 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I47ibkJ4QrE
Dan Vogel’s Videos on the Book of Abraham Pt 7 – https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_7haq-PdjU
Radio Free Mormon: 066: The Renlunds, A Dilapidated Dinghy, and Church Wack-A-Mole Part 3
Jan 31, 2019
Today we tackle the Elder and Sister Renlund Devotional from January 13th 2019. We dissect the Renlunds two parables and their commentary about doubts and those who have them. Along the way we tackle their comparing the Church to a Dilapidated Dinghy as well as their concept of Church Wack-A-Mole. This is a three part series and we hope you enjoy!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 065: The Renlunds, A Dilapidated Dinghy, and Church Wack-A-Mole Part 2
Jan 29, 2019
Today we tackle the Elder and Sister Renlund Devotional from January 13th 2019. We dissect the Renlunds two parables and their commentary about doubts and those who have them. Along the way we tackle their comparing the Church to a Dilapidated Dinghy as well as their concept of Church Wack-A-Mole. This is a three part series and we hope you enjoy!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 064: The Renlunds, A Dilapidated Dinghy, and Church Wack-A-Mole Part 1
Jan 27, 2019
Today we tackle the Elder and Sister Renlund Devotional from January 13th 2019. We dissect the Renlunds two parables and their commentary about doubts and those who have them. Along the way we tackle their comparing the Church to a Dilapidated Dinghy as well as their concept of Church Wack-A-Mole. This is a three part series and we hope you enjoy!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 063: Jubilee Retrospective
Jan 13, 2019
Radio Free Mormon with 50 episodes in the rear view mirror initiates a conversation about the ground that has been covered in the first 50 episodes and where the potential is for things to talk about going forward. He also uses this moment to share an update on the Mckenna Denson case.
Radio Free Mormon: 062: The More Things Change – IN THE TEMPLE – The More They Stay The Same
Jan 11, 2019
RFM and Bill Reel take on the recent Temple changes and dissect the historical context of these changes, why these changes indicate regardless of how Leaders want them portrayed, and tackle the blatant lying in the First Presidency Statement.
Radio Free Mormon: 061: The Book Of Abraham – Missing Scrolls, Catalyst Theories, and Bad Apologetics Part 2
Dec 23, 2018
Today we explore the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following. – Brief overview of the History of the Book of Abraham – Why the critics say it is problematic – What workarounds apologists have created to deal with those criticisms – Why those workarounds are dead ends – Evidences Apologists share – Why those evidences have little credibility – How the Church is adapting to the Problems
REASONS THE MISSING SCROLL THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– We know because of Abraham 1:12 and 1:14 itself points to Facsimile 1 and the very text in the papyri following it as the source text of the book of Abraham
– We know from the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar document that if we choose to be rational and logical the most reasonable interpretation of that document is that it represents Joseph Smith’s translation of The Book of Abraham.
– An early Egyptologist named Gustavus Seyffarth viewed the missing papyrus in 1856 and described only the Hor text and Facsimile 3. He gave no indication of another text on the scroll, and in fact explicitly denied that the scroll contained a record of Abraham.
– Klaus Baer predicted that the missing portion of the Hor text would be around sixty centimeters. Others who have attempted the estimate of the missing length agreed almost exactly with Baer’s estimate.
In the end a Missing Scroll theory is simply a Red Herring. Why we know that a missing scroll does not matter? We know where Joseph was translating and it was on the existing papyri. There is a set of documents that the church has always had in its possession commonly referred to as the “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” by Joseph Smith. Most of us remember hearing a little bit about it growing up in the church but not really knowing what it was. It was only briefly and rarely mentioned in church. With the discovery of the missing papyri in 1966, critics claim that these documents show a definite link between the papyri and the actual text of the Book of Abraham. The manuscript is in the handwriting of William W. Phelps and Warren Parrish, scribes to Joseph Smith, Jr. It is a bound book with handwriting on 34 pages with about 184 blank pages remaining throughout the book. There are characters in a left hand column with English explanations to the right. Original in LDS archives. There are 4 pages in Joseph Smith’s handwriting.
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed it was written by Abraham’s own hand. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith about the identity of the author of the papyri characters.
– Joseph and his scribes wrote down the very symbols from the papyri we have along with a proposed meaning of those hieroglyphics and symbols in a document named Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar indicating strongly a literal translation.
– Joseph Smith‘s translation and restoration of the facsimiles was incorrect. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to incorrectly translate and restore the facsimiles.
– The text of the Book of Abraham itself (1:12 and 1:14) declares that the source of the Book of Abraham has the Facsimile 1 fragment at its commencement, which is the Breathing Permit of Hor. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to record verses in the Book of Abraham that incorrectly refer to the Facsimile 1 fragment.
– The Small Sensen (Breathing Permit of Hor) characters are copied in order into the manuscripts where they are translated into the Book of Abraham. Therefore, Smith‘s own manuscripts indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
– The Egyptian Alphabets end with two characters which appear in the manuscripts as the beginning of the Small Sensen and which translate into Abraham 1:1. Therefore, the Egyptian Alphabets indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
RESOURCES: Book Of Abraham conundrum simplified – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/My-Concerns-Book-of-Abraham-1.pdf
Radio Free Mormon: 060: The Book Of Abraham – Missing Scrolls, Catalyst Theories, and Bad Apologetics Part 1
Dec 23, 2018
Today we explore the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following. – Brief overview of the History of the Book of Abraham – Why the critics say it is problematic – What workarounds apologists have created to deal with those criticisms – Why those workarounds are dead ends – Evidences Apologists share – Why those evidences have little credibility – How the Church is adapting to the Problems
REASONS THE MISSING SCROLL THEORY DOES NOT WORK:
– We know because of Abraham 1:12 and 1:14 itself points to Facsimile 1 and the very text in the papyri following it as the source text of the book of Abraham
– We know from the Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar document that if we choose to be rational and logical the most reasonable interpretation of that document is that it represents Joseph Smith’s translation of The Book of Abraham.
– An early Egyptologist named Gustavus Seyffarth viewed the missing papyrus in 1856 and described only the Hor text and Facsimile 3. He gave no indication of another text on the scroll, and in fact explicitly denied that the scroll contained a record of Abraham.
– Klaus Baer predicted that the missing portion of the Hor text would be around sixty centimeters. Others who have attempted the estimate of the missing length agreed almost exactly with Baer’s estimate.
In the end a Missing Scroll theory is simply a Red Herring. Why we know that a missing scroll does not matter? We know where Joseph was translating and it was on the existing papyri. There is a set of documents that the church has always had in its possession commonly referred to as the “Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar” by Joseph Smith. Most of us remember hearing a little bit about it growing up in the church but not really knowing what it was. It was only briefly and rarely mentioned in church. With the discovery of the missing papyri in 1966, critics claim that these documents show a definite link between the papyri and the actual text of the Book of Abraham. The manuscript is in the handwriting of William W. Phelps and Warren Parrish, scribes to Joseph Smith, Jr. It is a bound book with handwriting on 34 pages with about 184 blank pages remaining throughout the book. There are characters in a left hand column with English explanations to the right. Original in LDS archives. There are 4 pages in Joseph Smith’s handwriting.
– The Times and Seasons with Joseph Smith as Editor along with Mormonism’s heading to the Pearl of Great Price in the past claimed it was written by Abraham’s own hand. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith about the identity of the author of the papyri characters.
– Joseph and his scribes wrote down the very symbols from the papyri we have along with a proposed meaning of those hieroglyphics and symbols in a document named Egyptian Alphabet and Grammar indicating strongly a literal translation.
– Joseph Smith‘s translation and restoration of the facsimiles was incorrect. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to incorrectly translate and restore the facsimiles.
– The text of the Book of Abraham itself (1:12 and 1:14) declares that the source of the Book of Abraham has the Facsimile 1 fragment at its commencement, which is the Breathing Permit of Hor. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for instructing Smith to record verses in the Book of Abraham that incorrectly refer to the Facsimile 1 fragment.
– The Small Sensen (Breathing Permit of Hor) characters are copied in order into the manuscripts where they are translated into the Book of Abraham. Therefore, Smith‘s own manuscripts indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
– The Egyptian Alphabets end with two characters which appear in the manuscripts as the beginning of the Small Sensen and which translate into Abraham 1:1. Therefore, the Egyptian Alphabets indicate that the source of the Book of Abraham is the Small Sensen. If the Catalyst Theory is correct, then God must be responsible for misleading Smith to believe that the source of the Book of Abraham was the Small Sensen.
RESOURCES: Book Of Abraham conundrum simplified – https://mormondiscussionpodcast.org/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2017/04/My-Concerns-Book-of-Abraham-1.pdf
Radio Free Mormon: 59: The Crying Game Part 2
Dec 09, 2018
President Eyring…. No Not the LDS Apostle but his son Henry J Eyring, recently gave an address at BYUI titled “Gaining and Strengthening a Testimony” where he lays out logical fallacy after logical fallacy in order to justify belief in the Book of Abraham specifically and to deal with the criticisms of the Church collectively. Combine that with his having seemingly developed the same habit of reeling you in with his tears as he cries at the drop of a hat like his father and you can sense why Grandpa Eyring the Scientist is almost assuredly shaking his head in the grave.
Radio Free Mormon: 58: The Crying Game Part 1
Dec 09, 2018
President Eyring…. No Not the LDS Apostle but his son Henry J Eyring, recently gave an address at BYUI titled “Gaining and Strengthening a Testimony” where he lays out logical fallacy after logical fallacy in order to justify belief in the Book of Abraham specifically and to deal with the criticisms of the Church collectively. Combine that with his having seemingly developed the same habit of reeling you in with his tears as he cries at the drop of a hat like his father and you can sense why Grandpa Eyring the Scientist is almost assuredly shaking his head in the grave.
Radio Free Mormon: 057: Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council – The Recording
Dec 03, 2018
EXCLUSIVE – EXCLUSIVE – Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council The Recording – EXCLUSIVE – EXCLUSIVE
Radio Free Mormon shares that he has received the audio recording of Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council. The audio quality has issues but a transcript has been included HERE to make it easier to know what is being said.
If anyone can improve this transcript please email those improvements along with a time stamp to MormonDicussionsPodcasts@gmail.com and to the attention of Radio Free Mormon
Radio Free Mormon After Dark: 056: Bill Reel’s Disciplinary Council
Nov 20, 2018
RFM takes on a Radio Free Mormon After Dark interview with Bill Reel regarding his upcoming Disciplinary Council. The interview dissects all of Bill’s interactions with Leaders from Stake Presidents to Church Historians to Prophets, Seers, and Revelators. RFM also asks Bill to give a run through of his correspondence and conversations that have led up to these Disciplinary Proceedings. Sit back and enjoy as this Episode does more than read a few good books and go to a pretty good school!
Radio Free Mormon: 055: Treasure Digging with Joseph Smith and John Steinbeck
Oct 28, 2018
In the spirit of Halloween, Radio Free Mormon today sheds light on Joseph Smith’s treasure Digging by setting the details of Joseph Smith’s Treasure Digging next to the eerie Treasure Digging of John Steinbeck’s Tortilla Flat. RFM takes on the dramatized telling of this John Steinbeck classic. See how many similarities between the treasure digging of Joseph Smith and John Steinbeck literary classic!
Radio Free Mormon: 054: Elder Oaks Puts the Con into General Conference PART 2
Oct 21, 2018
Today On Radio Free Mormon, RFM and Bill Reel dissect Elder Oaks October 2018 General Conference talk from Saturday Morning. In this talk Elder Oaks uses logical fallacy after logical fallacy and bad argument after bad argument in defending his Anti-Science prejudice and his Anti-LGBT bigotry. This 15 minute minute talk was a brilliant attempt to entrench the Church in stances that simply don’t hold up to the data and facts. Elder Oaks arguments are full of holes and unlike Ensign Blair’s ship, this vessel of a talk sinks faster by the minute.
Radio Free Mormon: 053: Elder Oaks Puts the Con into General Conference PART 1
Oct 21, 2018
Today On Radio Free Mormon, RFM and Bill Reel dissect Elder Oaks October 2018 General Conference talk from Saturday Morning. In this talk Elder Oaks uses logical fallacy after logical fallacy and bad argument after bad argument in defending his Anti-Science prejudice and his Anti-LGBT bigotry. This 15 minute minute talk was a brilliant attempt to entrench the Church in stances that simply don’t hold up to the data and facts. Elder Oaks arguments are full of holes and unlike Ensign Blair’s ship, this vessel of a talk sinks faster by the minute.
Radio Free Mormon: 052: Gaslighting By The Numbers
Oct 05, 2018
Today Radio Free Mormon offers a prediction for General Conference using a quote by Elder Cook from a recent General Conference. Elder Cook strangely imposed that Mormons will in fact always be “Small in number” due to “wickedness in the world”. This seemed odd in light of you and me and everyone else having grown up with a Mormonism where dynamic Growth was told to us to be an indicator of the truthfulness of the Church. As RFM goes to into detail to prove…. such seemed like blatant “Gaslighting“. And RFM postulates that if this is the new narrative of the Church that they will need to reiterate such on more than one occasion including this weeks October 2018 General Conference.
Radio Free Mormon: 51: The Dissection of Elder Quentin L Cook’s Face To Face On Church History
Sep 16, 2018
Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel get together for a special Episode discussion on Elder Quentin L. Cook’s Face To Face On Church History. While Elder Cook and Church Historians Matt Grow and Kate Holbrook attempt to tell the audience that Church history is faith building and that it can withstand scrutiny, a simple look at what they say and more importantly what they don’t say seems to deeply indicate otherwise. There is even cameo Appearances by Elder Ballard, Church historian Steven Harper, and even a sound blip from the Jehovah’s Witnesses. Sit back and buckle up as we learn that when it comes to Church leaders and the Church’s historians that “Nothin’ from nothin’ leaves nothin'”.
Radio Free Mormon: 050: A Whale of a Tale II – This Time It’s Personal!
Aug 26, 2018
BREAKING NEWS: More information has been forthcoming regarding Ensign Blair’s Miraculous rescue of his Navy Ship in a Typhoon
Today RFM informs NEW additional forthcoming details along with hashing up some old ones…. ha ha ha ha ha ha muaaaahhhhhhhhhh.
Ensign Frank Blair (shown in photo above) told Elder Larry Wilson a miraculous story about his inspired resolution to issues aboard his navy ship in the midst of a typhoon during the Korean War. The trouble is the details of this story are less believable than the tale of the crew of the S.S. Minnow. Below are a list of issues with Ensign Blair’s story.
#1 – his story has a captain leaving the bridge during a typhoon to make way to Ensign Blair’s cabin. This seems to break navy code
#2 – his story has the Captain permitting Ensign Blair to go out on the deck to “gather info” during a typhoon w/ 45′ foot waves. This would be against good judgement and dangerous.
#3 – Notice the reason for the fact finding mission in #3 is made null and void by the fact that Captain and Engineer are already discussing a solution to the problem (their gauges told them the issue) when Ensign Blair shows up to the Bridge. That God in essence sent Ensign Blair on the deck to risk his life to gather info hence discovering a problem the Captain and Engineer already knew. In other words his walking the deck was unnecessary as the gauges on the bridge communicated the same info. The issue was not knowing the problem, but rather deciding a solution. Why would God put Ensign Blair in such unneeded risk to learn something already known?
#5.) Ensign Blair claims to see the propellers (also called screws) from the deck after securing himself to the the deck in a typhoon, at night, with 45′ waves. The propellers or screws as they are called are below the boat tucked away from the outside edge. Think through what angle he would have to be at leaning off the side of the boat to see the crews as they come up out of the water in a typhoon. Think about what it would take to secure himself and manually lengthen or shorten the rope he is tied to. This story is absurd and false.( See sketch below)
#6 – While the newspaper (above) tells us Ensign Blair was a Chaplain, Elder Wilson tells us that there was no Chaplain and Ensign Blair, the upright religious sailor that he was, filled in. Who informed the Newspaper that Blair held the officer title of Chaplain? If Ensign Blair himself, then such is a deceptive and dishonest move as to claim a title one did not officially and legitimately hold would raise eyebrows.
#7 – Elder Wilson refers to the propellers as “giant propellers” but as you can see on the image below this style ship had very small propellers, due to the need to get up on land to drop tanks off.
#8 – Elder Wilson starts this story with “During the Korean War”. Except as seen in the newspaper clipping above (which was dated Aug 19, 1955), Ensign Blair did not begin his 2 year military stint until after the Korean War had ended (Korean War ended July 1953).
Radio Free Mormon: 49: How To Not Answer Questions On Church History With Steven Harper Part 2
Aug 19, 2018
Today we dissect the Mormon Channel’s video titled “How to Answer Questions about Church History” hosted by Amy Iverson where she interviews Steven Harper on how he as a Church Historian deals with tough issues within Church history.
You might expect a Church historian who is on such a program due to his immersion and professional understanding of LDS Church History to use Church history to show that the tough questions have solid answers. You might expect him to encourage members who come across a tough issue to dive deeper, to find original sources, or refer them to the Gospel Topic Essays, or at least the Joseph Smith Papers Project as he had a major hand in it. You might expect him pick out a few tough issues and then show how a more informed understanding of Church history helps to sort these issues out. BUT…… As you will see he does anything but this.
– Notice his hesitancy to discuss the specifics of Church history. He seems to, as a Church historian, not want to talk about Church history, and it feels his reason is he senses there is little there to build faith on.
– Notice when asked if Church history has built faith and has resolved his questions he constantly deflects from answering such questions directly and imposes that his testimony is not based in Church history.
– Notice his progression from A.) Questions always resolve themselves B.) We have some questions that are yet unresolved but We have a lot of answers and I have faith the unresolved will yet be resolved. C.) There are both several questions resolved as well as several questions unresolved. D.) I have way more questions than answers and the more I learn Church history, the unresolved questions grow exponentially. and finally where he ends up E.) I hate to burst your bubble but dealing with the data causes us to reconstruct the Church in ways that have our faith in “what the Church is” being similar to how we reconcile Christmas after deconstructing the literalness of Santa Claus.
While Amy imposes that Church history has been, to Steven Harper, “an illumination to his soul”. Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel’s analysis shows it to have been anything but.
In the end it becomes obvious that not only does a Church historian avoid using Church history to resolve concerns, but also that he realizes avoiding Church history is the only way to tackle the difficult questions as to dive into the history is anything but faith promoting.
Radio Free Mormon: 48: How To Not Answer Questions On Church History With Steven Harper Part 1
Aug 19, 2018
Today we dissect the Mormon Channel’s video titled “How to Answer Questions about Church History” hosted by Amy Iverson where she interviews Steven Harper on how he as a Church Historian deals with tough issues within Church history.
You might expect a Church historian who is on such a program due to his immersion and professional understanding of LDS Church History to use Church history to show that the tough questions have solid answers. You might expect him to encourage members who come across a tough issue to dive deeper, to find original sources, or refer them to the Gospel Topic Essays, or at least the Joseph Smith Papers Project as he had a major hand in it. You might expect him pick out a few tough issues and then show how a more informed understanding of Church history helps to sort these issues out. BUT…… As you will see he does anything but this.
– Notice his hesitancy to discuss the specifics of Church history. He seems to, as a Church historian, not want to talk about Church history, and it feels his reason is he senses there is little there to build faith on.
– Notice when asked if Church history has built faith and has resolved his questions he constantly deflects from answering such questions directly and imposes that his testimony is not based in Church history.
– Notice his progression from A.) Questions always resolve themselves B.) We have some questions that are yet unresolved but We have a lot of answers and I have faith the unresolved will yet be resolved. C.) There are both several questions resolved as well as several questions unresolved. D.) I have way more questions than answers and the more I learn Church history, the unresolved questions grow exponentially. and finally where he ends up E.) I hate to burst your bubble but dealing with the data causes us to reconstruct the Church in ways that have our faith in “what the Church is” being similar to how we reconcile Christmas after deconstructing the literalness of Santa Claus.
While Amy imposes that Church history has been, to Steven Harper, “an illumination to his soul”. Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel’s analysis shows it to have been anything but.
In the end it becomes obvious that not only does a Church historian avoid using Church history to resolve concerns, but also that he realizes avoiding Church history is the only way to tackle the difficult questions as to dive into the history is anything but faith promoting.
Radio Free Mormon: 047: A Whale of A Tale
Aug 12, 2018
Today, boy do we have a “Whale Of A Tale” for you. First RFM starts us off by explaining how Paul H Dunn of the seventy set a high bar for false faith promoting stories in the Church. Then Radio Free Mormon runs you through the past false faith promoting stories that have come through Mormonism in recent years. And he finishes by laying out the most recent example in Radio Free Mormon fashion, Elder Larry Y. Wilson’s Take the Holy Spirit as Your Guide Where good ole’ Ensign Blair saves the day.
Radio Free Mormon: 046: General Conference Death March
Jul 22, 2018
In the LDS Church, we have the Priesthood of God. One of the magnificent things that comes with that Priesthood is the power and authority to call upon God through the laying on of hands in blessing the sick and afflicted to be healed. Healing power is one of the evidences in the LDS Church’s truth claims. And As RFM points out, it appears to be a gift no longer present in the Church. He takes the last General Conference as a prime example and shows that in the 11 cases in conference where surely a Priesthood blessing did or should of taken place, the afflicted individual does not fare to well even with access to God’s Priesthood army. If the game were baseball – People dying would in an offensive onslaught while throwing a no-hitter against those being healed!!!
Radio Free Mormon—After Dark: 45: The McKenna Denson Interview Part 2
Jul 14, 2018
McKenna Denson found early on that she had someone who believed her story. That person was Radio Free Mormon. From that moment on RFM has sought to help her and all of us get to the bottom of what the Church and the Police continue to hide. No one has helped us understand this story like Radio Free Mormon. And tomorrow morning his 2 part interview with McKenna Denson will release to the general public!!!! On one side RFM asks questions in his lawyerly fashion to get to the bottom of this case, and McKenna tells the story from her mouth. You won’t want to miss this!!!!
Radio Free Mormon—After Dark: The McKenna Denson Interview
Radio Free Mormon—After Dark: 44: The McKenna Denson Interview Part 1
Jul 14, 2018
McKenna Denson found early on that she had someone who believed her story. That person was Radio Free Mormon. From that moment on RFM has sought to help her and all of us get to the bottom of what the Church and the Police continue to hide. No one has helped us understand this story like Radio Free Mormon. And tomorrow morning his 2 part interview with McKenna Denson will release to the general public!!!! On one side RFM asks questions in his lawyerly fashion to get to the bottom of this case, and McKenna tells the story from her mouth. You won’t want to miss this!!!!
Radio Free Mormon—After Dark: The McKenna Denson Interview
Radio Free Mormon: 043: Radio Free Mormon Wins A Victory On Appeal!!!!!
Jul 13, 2018
Today is the audio of the hearing of Radio Free Mormon’s case against the redaction of Documents and Audio by the BYU Police in the McKenna Denson case. Enjoy
Radio Free Mormon: 042: Update on the Appeal Part 4 – State Records Commission
Jun 26, 2018
Radio Free Mormon gives us a short update on where he is on the records appeal for the un-redaction of McKenna Denson’s police report as well as the audio from the audio interview by police of Joseph Bishop
Radio Free Mormon: 041: Selling Your Soul for Apologetics
Jun 08, 2018
RFM takes issue with the Logical Fallacies, Deceptiveness, and Blatant Lies by LDS Apologist Dan Peterson in his article “Defending the Faith: The supposed scandal of multiple First Vision accounts”. In the article Daniel Peterson goes to great lengths to frame the public awareness of the multiple first vision accounts in a faithful context. Sadly in order to do so, Dan must avoid telling people the problematic details and even go so far as to lie about the history of how and why the 1832 account was obscured for so long. RFM even goes to show using both a personal interaction with Daniel as well as public audio from Elder Holland that obfuscation and dishonesty is par for the course when trying to defend the Church using apologetics.
Stan Larsen’s Dialogue Article (Absolute Must Read for Latter-Day Saints who want to understand the History of the First Vision Accounts)
Radio Free Mormon: 040: Church Sex Scandal Part 3 – The Appeal
May 20, 2018
Radio Free Mormon updates us on his search for more fully un-redacted records on the Joseph Bishop Sex Abuse scandal updates us on his appeal to BYU Chief of Police Larry Stott. The main focus of this episode centers around BYU’s concerted effort to play the official-ness of their Police Department both ways. When it plays in BYU’s favor, they like to argue they are an extension of the government and when it hurts them, they like to claim to not be a government agency. As a judge seems to recently indicate when dealing with BYU police on the very issue of their compliance with GRAMA laws…. You can’t have your cake and eat it too!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 039: BYU Police Report Bombshells: MTC Sex Scandal Update
Apr 29, 2018
Radio Free Mormon wanting to ensure listeners are kept up to date on the MTC scandal issues another episode keeping us in the loop. This time RFM helps us make connection to the redacted police report that he has only learned in recent days. Where is he getting this info????? Who knows but we the listeners are the benefactors. This story is full of secrets and RFM Cloak and Dagger approach is going to get to the bottom of it and this is one more step along the way.
Radio Free Mormon: 038: MTC Sex Scandal Investigation Update
Apr 22, 2018
RFM gives us an update into his legal pursuit to un-redact the highly Redacted Provo Police report and to retrieve the Provo Police Audio evidence of their interview with Joseph Bishop. Hot on the trail RFM will not take No for an answer!
Radio Free Mormon: 37: Church Sex Scandal Cover-up Part 2
Apr 15, 2018
RFM revisits the latest developments in the Joseph Bishop case, including his attempts to further unredact the the Joseph Bishop police interview report, access the Audio interview, His discovery after much work to get his hands on the “David Jordan” LDS Church dossier which was accidentally sent and used by Greg Bishop both father and legal council for Joseph Bishop….. as well as his behind the scenes recent conversations with Mckenna Denson herself and what he has learned from those. Radio Free Mormon through all of this and more helps us see that there is still much about this case that contributes to a much bigger picture……….. Especially if what we knew was on Page 4 of the Church’s dossier
Radio Free Mormon: 36: Church Sex Scandal Cover-up
Mar 29, 2018
In Radio Free Mormon fashion, RFM dissect the Church Sex Abuse Scandal coverup like a legal case. He shows the incredible evidence that the Joseph Layton Bishop Jr. case was an attempted cover-up by the Church throughout the entire event.
Radio Free Mormon: 35: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics Pt 3
Mar 25, 2018
RFM todays tackles the Deception of LDS Leaders that the Church in shielding membership from being aware of a significant loss of members to disaffection. In this part 3 episode RFM shows using Leaders own words juxtaposed against the data that they are lying about Church growth and are downplaying disaffection. He then proceeds to show that Mormonism has begun a sleight of hand as they begin to shift what “growth” will mean for future members of the Church.
Radio Free Mormon: 34: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics Pt 2
Mar 04, 2018
RFM todays tackles the awareness of LDS Leaders that the Church is losing members in a mass apostacy. In this part 2 episode RFM how much LDS leaders know that Mormonism is no longer growing. Using Marlin Jenson’s statement that
“The fifteen men really do know, and they really care. And they realize that maybe since Kirtland, we never have had a period of, I’ll call it apostasy, like we’re having right now; largely over these issues. We do have another initiative that we have called, “Answers to Gospel Questions”. We are trying to figure out exactly what channels to deliver it in and exactly what format to put it in. But we want to have a place where people can go. We have hired someone that’s in charge of search engine optimization. We realize that people get their information basically from Google. They don’t come to LDS.org. If they get there, it’s through Google. So, we are trying to create an offering that will address these issues and be available for the public at large and to the church leaders, because many of them don’t have answers either. It can be very disappointing to church members. And, for people who are losing their faith, or who have lost it, we hope to regain to the church.”
and then showing all the reactions of various LDS leaders in followup.
Radio Free Mormon: 33: Lies, Damn Lies, and Statistics Pt 1
Mar 04, 2018
RFM todays tackles the growth of the Church. In this part 1 episode RFM dives into how the Church used growth as a witness of the truthfulness of the Church in past decades and utilized the Book of Daniel and the Stone cut out of the mountain without hands. Then he takes multiple General Conference talks and other media soundbites to show that the Church as an institution most assuredly framed itself in this way. He concludes setting up episode 2 where now that Church growth has become stagnate and perhaps even receding, that the Church is in the process of removing such a framework and creating a new narrative.
Radio Free Mormon: 32: Illegitimate First Presidency
Jan 28, 2018
RFM tackles the announcement of the reorganization of the First Presidency of the LDS Church. What was said and what it means and what understanding it leads to when the LDS process or reorganizing its leadership is juxtaposed against how scripture imposes that such be handled.
Radio Free Mormon: 31: Dumbing Down Revelation
Jan 14, 2018
Radio Free Mormon tackles the pillar of revelation. In his normal RFM fashion, he lays out like a legal case the fact that Mormonism has gone from a religion that encouraged and expected its membership to have direct revelation from God, his son, and his angels to a faith that has stripped away any real dependenace or expectation of revelation. From handshakes to discern ministering angels to being told today that such things like a angelic visit or even a real voice not only should not be expected but simply won’t happen!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 30: Holiday Special 2017
Dec 25, 2017
Mormon Discussion Podcasts 2017 Holiday Special. Several Hosts from our various programs have put together a Holiday Special simply sharing a Christmas thought and wishing you a Merry Christmas and an incredible Holiday Season. Wendy Perry from the Mormon Wellness Project put this together with a little help from Skyler from the Mormon History Podcast, Radio Free Mormon, Bill Reel, and of course Wendy Perry…….. Thank you for listening to the Mormon Discussion lineup!!!! And our 2 Cents…. Listen to the end!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 029: The Ghost of Homophobia Past
Dec 23, 2017
In today’s episode, RFM tackles the recent leak of a 1981 official manual of the Church Of Jesus Christ if Latter-day Saints on the topic of homosexuality. RFM demonstrates conclusively that the Church held many views officially that were demonstrably wrong and deeply unhealthy. RFM then, in traditional fashion, dissects the why of the Church needing to look consistent and the mechanisms of maintaining authority. So put on your headphones, grab a glass of eggnog, plug in the Christmas tree, grab a Christmas cookie, and enjoy Radio Free Mormon’s “Ghost of Homophobia’s Past”
Transcript of Radio Free Mormon’s Episode: 028: Elder Ballard Blows Up The Church
Dec 20, 2017
Below is a link to the transcript of Radio Free Mormon’s Elder Ballard Blows Up The Church!!! This episode gives a bakers dozen of documented instances where the Church seemingly hid or was not transparent refuting Elder Ballard’s statement that the Church has never hid anything!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 027: Elder Ballard Blows Up The Church
Nov 23, 2017
Radio Free Mormon’s Thanksgiving Day Episode RFM tackles Elder Oaks and Elder Ballard in their Face to Face broadcast, from behind enemy lines. Elder Ballard says Church leaders have never, ever, never, ever, ever, hidden difficult pieces of our faith’s history. RFM then proceeds to not only show that the Church has lied on a few occasions but rather has demonstrated a pattern of continuous lying and deception since its inception.
Radio Free Mormon: 026: Making Doctrine Out Of Nothing At All
Nov 12, 2017
In Radio Free Mormon fashion, RFM tackles the sentence within the The Family: A Proclamation to the World, that Gender is Eternal and does the research to show is if such was really a doctrine previously taught within Mormonism or if the Church created this Doctrine….. “Out of Nothing At All”. The solution for the LGBT issue is sitting right at their feet and RFM makes it clear to direct their attention right to it.
Radio Free Mormon: 25: General Conference Post Mortem October 2017 Part 3
Nov 05, 2017
RFM tackles the 2017 October General Conference. Tackling Sunday’s Afternoon session where the only good books are those that are in the approved curriculum and only inside the Church along with several other talks in this final installment 3 part series!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 24: Table Scraps, Train Wrecks, And Information Avoidance
Nov 03, 2017
Radio Free Mormon works overtime late into the evening giving us this special episode regarding the 3:42 advertisement by Elder Oaks and Elder Ballard for their upcoming Q&A with the Young Single Adults. Sadly as RFM points out, there is seemingly no desire on the part of Church leaders to attempt to answer questions for which there are no good answers. In fact, they will simply avoid the tough questions and only take on the easy ones…. Which makes the event essentially just more of the same…. With little revelation and quotes like “Gone Are The Days” seeming like lip service, lets dive into this trainwreck.
Radio Free Mormon: 23: General Conference Post Mortem October 2017 Part 2
Oct 29, 2017
RFM tackles the 2017 October General Conference. Tackling Sunday’s Morning session where “Faith NOT To Be Healed” rears its head again along with more miracles that are not miracles in this part 2 of a 3 part series!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 22: General Conference Post Mortem October 2017 Part 1
Oct 22, 2017
RFM tackles the 2017 October General Conference. Complimenting Holland, Dissecting Eyring, being a wingman for Uchtdorf, and even a Freudian Slip. Broadcasting behind enemy lines RFM covers the womens session through Saturday night’s priesthood session in this part 1 of a 3 part series!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: : 21: The Backdrop and Context of The Family A Proclamation to the World
Oct 15, 2017
The Family: A Proclamation To The World – How was it created? Why was it created? What is the timeline for its creation? Today in a special joint episode Radio Free Mormon and Bill Reel from Mormon Discussion tackle these questions and more. Want to know the backdrop and context of the creation of the LDS Proclamation on the family? Well here it is and we hope you enjoy!!!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 20: Faith Not To Be Healed
Sep 24, 2017
Today Behind enemy lines, Radio Free Mormon dives into what it means to have “Faith Not To Be Healed”. RFM explores what we have taught about healing, its principles, how healing take place, what it means when the healing doesn’t occur, and how central healing power is to the Restored Gospel. Do you have faith not to be healed?
Radio Free Mormon: 19: True Believing Mormon
Sep 03, 2017
Today Behind enemy lines, Radio Free Mormon dives into what it means to be a “True Believing Mormon”. To do this RFM dives into How we define a TBM today and then takes us back in time to help us see How Joseph Smith defined a TBM and along the way tells us a story or two to emphasize the point. Are you TBM? take a listen and let’s see.
Radio Free Mormon: 18: Make Way For Dodos
Aug 03, 2017
Today Radio Free Mormon, finds himself deep behind enemy lines, as he tackles the recent retraction of the faith promoting story told by Elder Jeffrey R Holland about one brother finding his long lost sibling while on his mission. Take a deep breath, grab your ice cold herbal tea, and enjoy an intellectual walk though the history of this episode in LDS History.
Today we delve into Part 2 regarding the process by which Apostles became the ruling body in the LDS Church. The different leadership bodies, who had a higher authority and stewardship, what happened at Joseph Smith’s death, who he had appointed as his successor, and how the Quorum of the twelve removed every other possible contender to take leadership upon Joseph’s death. And finally the suspicious death of Samuel Smith which some believe was just one more step taken by the 12 to usurp any possible claim outside of themselves that aspired to leading the Church.
Radio Free Mormon: 16: Apostolic Coup-D- Etat
Jul 15, 2017
Today we delve into the process by which Apostles became the ruling body in the LDS Church. The different leadership bodies, who had a higher authority and stewardship, what happened at Joseph Smith’s death, who he had appointed as his successor, and how the Quorum of the twelve removed every other possible contender to take leadership upon Joseph’s death.
Radio Free Mormon: 15: New Evidence for The Book Of Mormon
Jun 24, 2017
Today Radio Free Mormon throws us a curveball and shows us things are not so easy to brush off. That while there are many contradiction in Mormonism that work against its claims, there are also other sides to that coin. Namely paradoxes that call us to take the another look at Mormonism including today’s look into the Book of Mormon. Just as we thought we might be heading down a wrong road, he points us to a road sign that suggests it may actually be a right road. The road sign? ……… Numerology in the Book of Mormon. No not your weird cousins type of numerology where one deciphers the numbers in your life as if reading a palm. Rather what numbers meant to the Israelites and Jews and the Middle Eastern cultures and why strangely, those systems show up in great explainable yet statistically significant ways.
Radio Free Mormon: 14: Murder Most Foul
Jun 03, 2017
Today Radio Free Mormon releases his newest episode newest episode “Murder Most Foul”. Today RFM explores the slaying of Laban and all the motives and correlations that the Book of Mormon puts on display giving insight into it as a text and into the mind of Nephi. After just taking us down the wrong roads, RFM now walks us back into a serious consideration of the Book of Mormon!!!
Radio Free Mormon: 13: Wrong Roads
May 14, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Wrong Roads”. Today RFM explores what it means to walk the logic all the way out on situations when God gives a revelation dictating the wrong answer as the right answer so that you as the receiver of a wrong answer in revelation will eventually learn the right answer by realizing God had given you the wrong answer in order to give you the right answer.
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Radio Free Mormon: 12: April 2017 Conference Autopsy Report
Apr 23, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “April 2017 General Conference Autopsy Report”. Today Radio Free Mormon continues pursuing the deeper happenings of our recent General Conference pulling out themes and data that can give us a glimpse into the inner sanctum.
Radio Free Mormon: 11: April 2017 General Conference Review Pt 2
Apr 15, 2017
Today Mormon Discussion Podcast and Radio Free Mormon combine our thoughts into a two part Conference Review of the April 2017 General Conference. We look back in part one at Saturday’s Sessions and in Part two we hit on the Sunday Sessions along with some themes that run throughout conference. We hope you enjoy
Radio Free Mormon: 10: April 2017 General Conference Review Pt 1
Apr 15, 2017
Today Mormon Discussion Podcast and Radio Free Mormon combine our thoughts into a two part Conference Review of the April 2017 General Conference. We look back in part one at Saturday’s Sessions and in Part two we hit on the Sunday Sessions along with some themes that run throughout conference. We hope you enjoy
Radio Free Mormon: 009: A Spirited Debate
Mar 26, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “A Spirited Debate”. Today RFM Re-visits some thoughts a listener shared from the last Radio Free Mormon Episode “The Amazing Contradicting Joseph Smith”. RFM adds new context and new information that makes Joseph’s Contradictions even more amazing… and spirited.
RESOURCES:
Source for conversation about about the Quote “I never thought it was right to call up a man and try him because he erred in doctrine, it looks too much like methodism and not like Latter day Saintism. Methodists have creeds which a man must believe or be kicked out of their church. I want the liberty of believe as I please, it feels so good not to be trammeled. It don’t prove that a man is not a good man, because he errs in doctrine”
Site Conversating about the Willard Chase / Toad-Moroni Source: “He repaired to the place of deposit and demanded the book, which was in a stone box, unsealed, and so near the top of the ground that he could see one end of it, and raising it up, took out the book of gold; but fearing some one might discover where he got it, he laid it down to place back the top stone, as he found it; and turning around, to his surprise there was no book in sight. He again opened the box, and in it saw the book, and attempted to take it out, but was hindered. He saw in the box something like toad”
A source discussing Lectures on Faith #5 and the Elder mcConkie quote: “Using the holy scriptures as the recorded source of the knowledge of God, knowing what the Lord has revealed to them of old in visions and by the power of the Spirit, and writing as guided by that same Spirit, Joseph Smith and the early brethren of this dispensation prepared a creedal statement on the Godhead. It is without question the most excellent summary of revealed and eternal truth relative to the Godhead that is now extant in mortal language. In it is set forth the mystery of Godliness; that is, it sets forth the personalities, missions, and ministries of those holy beings who comprise the supreme presidency of the universe. To spiritually illiterate persons, it may seem hard and confusing; to those whose souls are aflame with heavenly light, it is a nearly perfect summary of those things which must be believed to gain salvation”
Radio Free Mormon: 008: The Amazing Contradicting Joseph Smith
Mar 12, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “The Amazing Contradicting Joseph Smith” This episode discusses the changing and shifting theology of Joseph Smith and helps us see that while Religions strength is not changing and science’s strength is adaptation to new information that Joseph found a way to blend the two.
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Radio Free Mormon: 007: Have LDS Apostles Seen Jesus?
Feb 12, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Have LDS Apsotles Seen Jesus?” This episode discusses what we can know and not know and what perhaps can be assessed by the statements of LDS Leaders on whether they have seen the actual risen Christ or not.
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
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Radio Free Mormon: 006: Denying Church History
Jan 21, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Denying Church History”. This episode uses an interview with Marlin Jensen where he was interviewed by Doug Fabrizio just after the Helen Whitney’s “The Mormon” aired on PBS. Radio Free Mormon dissects this interview to show as Much as the Church wants to move into transparency that it still see too much of a risk to 100% completely stay clear of hiding history.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Radio Free Mormon: 005: Make Way For Milk Strippings
Jan 01, 2017
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Make Way For Milk Strippings”. This episode delves into the apostasy and separation of Thomas Marsh from the Church. The story we have been told is that Marsh stuck up for and defended his wife over her feeling that a verbal agreement with a neighbor over milk and strippings was broken and she desired to be found justified in her disagreement. This episode delves into the deeper history and the more complicated but also historically accurate reasons for Marsh’s seperation from the Church.
While Marsh was dealing with multiple reasons for a loss of faith we also discover new connections behind this story. Namely what Marsh and his wife Elizabeth did not know was that this neighbor, Lucinda Harris, in dispute with Elizabeth over the milk and strippings is the a plural wife of the Prophet Joseph Smith and enters a relationship with Joseph earlier that same year, 1838, unknown to almost anyone. So when she and Thomas appeal to the first presidency they realize just how little Brother Joseph wants to side against Lucinda or put her name into the public conversation.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Radio Free Mormon: 004: Christmas 2016
Dec 18, 2016
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues with its newest episode “Radio Free Christmas”. This will be a nice segue between the recent Historical Jesus episodes and the celebration of the birth of our Lord. In Celebration of Christmas, Radio Free Mormon gives us the rest of the story on the nativity story in Radio Free Mormon fashion.
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As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Radio Free Mormon: 003: Hiding Church History
Nov 27, 2016
Today “Radio Free Mormon” continues its guest hosted series with its 3rd episode. This 3rd Episode “Hiding Church History” goes into the evidence that the Church intentionally holds back parts of its narrative when sharing its story with its own members. The focus in this episode is on the 1832 First Vision Account and it having been intentionally removed from Joseph Smith’s journal and stored away by Joseph Fielding Smith in an act that kept this account of discrepancies outside the public eye till critics find out its existence in 1964 and released by the Church History Department in the 1965.
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
Radio Free Mormon: 002: The Reluctant Revelation
Nov 10, 2016
Today a Guest host is continuing with Episode #2 from a series called “Radio Free Mormon”. This Second Episode “The Reluctant Revelation” goes into the November 5th 2015 Policy changes against LDS LGBT members and their children.
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
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Radio Free Mormon: 001: The Great Mormon History Coverup
Oct 23, 2016
Today a Guest host is contributing with their First Episode from a series called “Radio Free Mormon”. The First Episode is titled “The Great Mormon History Cover-up”. The episode delves into The Church’s battle against intellectuals and messy history and centers around President Packer’s talk “The Mantle Is Far, Far Greater Than the Intellect”
As with all guest hosts, this Episode does not necessarily reflect the views of Bill Reel or Mormon Discussion Podcast.
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Like this episode and others we have had from guest hosts, Such contributions are highly desired. My mission with Mormon Discussion Podcast is to bring great perspectives of Mormon History & Culture that helps struggling Latter-day Saints reconcile difficulties while being encouraged to stay in the Church. If you wish to contribute either a Blog Post or a Audio Podcast Episode please do and send to me at ReelMormon AT gmail DOT com for consideration.
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Tim Kosnoff’s Eye-Opening Insights: Tim, a seasoned lawyer, provides a unique perspective on the actions of Kirton & McConkie, revealing instances where their decisions seem to prioritize protecting the Church and abusers over the well-being of victims.
Our Guest – Tim Kosnoff: Tim Kosnoff co-represents 17,000 clients in the Boy Scouts of America Chapter 11 bankruptcy. He has practiced law for forty years as a prosecutor, defense attorney and as a lawyer representing victims of child sexual abuse. He has extensive experience handling complex civil child sexual abuse litigation throughout the United States and Canada. He has handled thousands of complex child sexual abuse cases against religious and secular organizations including the Boy Scouts of America, the Mormon Church, the Catholic Church and a wide spectrum of other organizations. Tim has recovered more than $500 million dollars in settlements and jury verdicts.
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Today we explore
the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following.
Today we explore the Book of Abraham in Radio Free Mormon Style. Bill Reel once again joins us and we proceed to lay out the following.
– Brian Hauglid’s Constructive criticism of parts 1 & 2
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