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159: GraphQL with Tanmai Gopal Jun 12, 2023

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GraphQL is one of the biggest API enablers in software development, but just how complicated can things be? Tanmai Gopal – Hasura’s CEO extraordinaire – talks with Jason and Patrick about how the secret sauce gets made. They dive deeply from how APIs function to having them managed in practice – among several other topic, making this a must-listen episode.

00:01:19 Introductions

00:01:48 Tanmai’s late start in programming

00:05:48 Plinko

00:13:06 Coursera

00:23:28 The question of API development

00:30:30 API layer functionality

00:34:58 How Hasura leverages JSON

00:39:08 GraphQL

00:42:49 Worse than an API call

00:49:15 The potential REST minefield

00:53:41 JSON Web Tokens

01:11:34 Scaling writes

01:15:17 Careers with Hasura

01:22:35 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:

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Links:

Tanmai Gopal:
- Website: https://hasura.io/blog/@tanmaig/
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanmaig/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/tanmaigo
- Github: https://github.com/coco98
Hasura:
- Website: https://hasura.io/
- Careers: https://hasura.io/careers/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/HasuraHQ
- Github: https://github.com/hasura
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/hasura
Others:
- Good Strategy, Bad Strategy (Amazon): https://www.amazon.com/Good-Strategy-Bad-Strategy-audiobook/dp/B07R6XQ8YP
- Modern Application Development (IIT Madras, archived): https://archive.nptel.ac.in/courses/106/106/106106156/

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158: Software Supply Chain with Bill Manning May 22, 2023

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In today’s episode, Jason and Patrick dive deeply with JFrog’s Senior Solutions Engineer, Bill Manning. With the conversation tackling the depth and complexity of software supply chains, vulnerabilities and more, Bill deftly offers grounded advice to listeners old and new.

00:00:26 Introductions

00:00:40 Bill’s plethora of job titles

00:09:33 The excitement of learning a language

00:15:08 Mechanical keyboards

00:21:17 Bill’s advice on adapting

00:27:55 What a supply chain is

00:34:28 Castle analogies

00:40:55 Unpacking legalities

00:52:11 Log4J

00:54:41 What JFrog does

01:01:16 What can go wrong

01:08:08 Getting started in this space

01:14:15 Careers in JFrog

01:20:23 Farewells

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Links:
- Bill Manning:
  - Website: https://about.me/billmanning
  - Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williammanning/
  - Twitter: https://twitter.com/williammanning
- JFrog:
  - Website: https://jfrog.com/
  - Careers: https://join.jfrog.com/
  - Artifactory: https://jfrog.com/artifactory/
  - Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/jfrog-ltd/
- Others:
  - Liquid Software: https://liquidsoftware.com/
  - SolarWinds hack incident: https://www.wired.com/story/the-untold-story-of-solarwinds-the-boldest-supply-chain-hack-ever/
  - Transitive dependencies: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transitive_dependency

More Throwdown? Check out this prior episode:

153: ChatGPT: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/episodes/158-software-supply-chain-with-bill

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157: Kubernetes with Craig Box May 08, 2023

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There’s more than what meets the eye when it comes to Kubernetes, and Craig Box – ARMO’s VP of Open Source & Community –is one of several who have seen its many twists and turns since its inception. He talks with Jason and Patrick about Kubernetes’ origins in pop culture, utility in the modern workflow, and possible future in today’s episode.

00:01:31 Introductions

00:03:39 Craig’s early internet speed experience

00:07:46 An adventure towards Google

00:16:55 Project Seven

00:21:17 Mesos

00:26:42 The origin of Kubernetes

00:28:36 DS9’s influence on naming conventions

00:37:49 Getting more results with the same resources

00:47:13 IPv4

00:53:44 Craig’s thoughts on learning Kubernetes

01:06:59 Kubescape

01:18:12 Working at ARMO

01:23:16 Programming Throwdown on Youtube

01:23:55 Farewells

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Links:
- Craig Box:
  - Substack: https://substack.com/profile/107796914-craig-box
  - Github: https://github.com/craigbox
  - Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/crbnz/
  - Twitter: https://twitter.com/craigbox
- ARMO:
  - Website: https://www.armosec.io/
  - Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/armosec/
- Others:
  - The Project Seven origin story: https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/containers-kubernetes/from-google-to-the-world-the-kubernetes-origin-story
  - 7 of 9 on Memory Alpha: https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Seven_of_Nine

More Throwdown? Check out this prior episode:

E135: Kubernetes with Aran Khanna: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/episodes/157-kubernetes-with-craig-box

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156: Perl and Regular Expressions Apr 24, 2023

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Should AI research be paused? How far ahead have deepfakes come? Join Patrick and Jason as they tackle their answers to these timely questions – plus an in-depth discussion on Perl in practice – with today’s episode of Programming Throwdown.

Resources mentioned in this episode:

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News/Links:

GPT4All & Stanford Alpaca
- https://github.com/nomic-ai/gpt4all
Giant AI Experiments 6 month pause open letter
- https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
Will Smith Eating Spaghetti generated video
- https://www.vice.com/en/article/xgw8ek/ai-will-smith-eating-spaghetti-hill-haunt-you-for-the-rest-of-your-life
Robust image compression implementation from a NASA paper
- https://github.com/TheRealOrange/icer_compression
Dig This Vegas
- https://digthisvegas.com/
XKCD:
- https://xkcd.com/208/
AI Open Letter:
- https://futureoflife.org/open-letter/pause-giant-ai-experiments/
Godbolt:
- https://godbolt.org/

Book of the Show:

Jason: It Doesn’t Have To Be Crazy At Work
- https://amzn.to/40PFgxH
Patrick: Prince of Fools by Mark Lawrence
- https://amzn.to/3lWVEO9

Tool of the Show:

Jason:
- ReMarkable 2: https://remarkable.com/store/remarkable-2
Patrick:
- Slay the Spire: https://store.steampowered.com/app/646570/Slay_the_Spire/

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155: The Future of Search with Saahil Jain Apr 10, 2023

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When it comes to untangling the complexities of what lies ahead for search engines in this age of AI, few are as deeply versed in the subject as You.com Engineer Saahil Jain. Jason and Patrick talk with him in this episode about what search even is, what challenges lie ahead, and where the shift in paradigms can be found.

00:01:16 Introductions

00:02:06 How physics led Saahil to programming

00:07:20 Getting started at Microsoft

00:13:39 Analyzing human text input

00:22:22 The exciting paradigm shift in search

00:29:02 Rationales for direction

00:33:40 Image generation models

00:39:55 Knowledge bases

00:45:12 FIFA

00:49:29 Understanding the query’s intent

00:51:18 Expectations

00:55:38 A need to stay connected to authority repositories

01:03:45 About working at You

01:08:18 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:

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Links:

Saahil Jain:
- Website: http://saahiljain.me/
- Email: saahil @ you.com
- Github: https://github.com/saahil9jain/
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/saahiljain/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/saahil9jain
- RadGraph: https://arxiv.org/abs/2106.14463
- VisualCheXbert: https://arxiv.org/abs/2102.11467
You.Com:
- Website: https://you.com/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/YouSearchEngine
- Discord: https://discord.gg/f9jRFH5gHP
Others:
- On Thorium: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElulEJruhRQ

More Throwdown? Check out these prior episodes:

E143: The Evolution of Search with Marcus Eagan: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/episodes/155-future-of-search-with-saahil-jain
E94: Search at Etsy: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/episodes/155-future-of-search-with-saahil-jain

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154: Python Again with Jason C. McDonald Mar 27, 2023

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A second Jason joins this episode of Programming Throwdown! Jason McDonald – Python evangelist, author, and more – talks to Patrick and Jason about his experience with the programming language, how his disability helped and hindered his software career, and where its strengths and weaknesses lie.

00:01:05 Introductions

00:02:27 Jason’s pivotal Doctor Who regeneration

00:04:49 The power of dialog boxes

00:10:10 Python’s power

00:12:37 How disability discrimination can look

00:17:40 Making vs playing games

00:23:47 Jason’s POV on intention

00:28:04 Why Jason stayed with Python

00:40:11 Every language’s Thing

00:49:42 Duck typing

00:52:48 Global Interpreter Lock (GIL)

01:14:16 Dependencies

01:34:08 Finding Jason online

01:35:20 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:

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Links:

Jason C. McDonald:
- Mastodon.Cloud: https://mastodon.cloud/@codemouse92
- Website: https://codemouse92.com/
- Github: https://github.com/CodeMouse92
- BugHunters Café @ iTunes: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-bug-hunters-caf%C3%A9/id1556496590
Rural Sourcing:
- Website: https://www.ruralsourcing.com/
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/rural-sourcing/
Book Recommendations:
- Dead Simple Python (Jason C. McDonald): https://www.amazon.com/Dead-Simple-Python-Idiomatic-Programmers/dp/1718500920
- Kill It With Fire (Marianne Bellotti): https://www.amazon.com/Kill-Fire-Manage-Computer-Systems/dp/1718501188
- Dreaming In Code (Scott Rosenberg): https://www.amazon.com/Dreaming-Code-Programmers-Transcendent-Software/dp/1400082471
Others:
- Monty Python (troupe): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python
- Monty Python (TV Show): https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Flying_Circus

More Python? Check out these prior episodes:

E52: Scientific Python: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/episodes/154-python-again-with-jason-c-mcdonald
E139: Scientific Python with Guido Imperiale: https://www.programmingthrowdown.com/episodes/154-python-again-with-jason-c-mcdonald

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153: ChatGPT Mar 13, 2023

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ChatGPT has made a mark on the world as we know it, but that’s only the tip of the AI iceberg. Join us as we discuss how the field of artificial intelligence is growing – including some developments that might not be on your radar!

00:00:23 Introductions

00:02:01 Jason’s attic adventure

00:06:09 Comparing saws

00:10:57 Patrick’s surprisingly useful thing

00:12:21 SpaceX

00:17:31 Human motion diffusion model

00:20:47 37Signals

00:29:30 Polars

00:35:37 Books of the Show

00:46:11 Neon

00:50:33 Patrick’s player search

00:53:47 ChatGPT

01:17:12 The threat to Google

01:28:06 Jason and Patrick’s future prognostications

01:32:13 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:

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News/Links:

SpaceX Starship Static Test Fire Planned
- https://www.cnet.com/science/space/spacex-prepping-for-first-full-test-fire-of-its-mega-starship-rocket/
Human Motion Diffusion Model
- https://guytevet.github.io/mdm-page/
37Signals Leaving the Cloud and Details Cloud Costs
- https://twitter.com/dhh/status/1613508201953038337
Polars: DataFrames in Rust
- https://docs.rs/polars/latest/polars/index.html

Book of the Show:

Jason: Build by Tony Fadell
- https://amzn.to/3wpLnLW
Patrick: Age of Myth by Michael Sullivan (Riyria)
- https://amzn.to/3HlEsJ5

Tool of the Show:

Jason:
- Neon: Serverless Postgres: https://neon.tech/
Patrick:
- 7 Billion Humans (Steam): https://store.steampowered.com/app/792100/7_Billion_Humans/

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152: The Future Database with Sam Lambert Feb 27, 2023

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Databases are key to almost any project, large or small. Most database systems in the cloud are designed for heavy use and the costs can get expensive quickly, but database-as-a-service is a rapidly growing area, where many databases can share the same hardware for a much reduced rate, or even for free! Sam Lambert, CEO of PlanetScale, joins Jason and Patrick to discuss database-as-a-service.

00:01:41 Introductions
00:02:34 Sam’s Github learning lesson
00:07:08 The day after
00:10:57 Getting started with databases
00:14:21 Schema change difficulties
00:19:47 Database transactions
00:31:15 Why data recovery matters
00:38:35 Planetscale
00:49:24 Greetings from the past
01:02:01 How Jason discovered Planetscale
01:06:53 Branching
01:14:00 The vision for Planetscale
01:18:12 The rationale behind Planetscale’s work setup
01:24:29 Careers at Planetscale
01:28:06 Amp It Up
01:33:10 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:
Links:

Sam Lambert:
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/isamlambert/
PlanetScale:
- Website: https://planetscale.com/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/planetscaledata
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/planetscale/
- Github: https://github.com/planetscale
- Careers: https://planetscale.com/careers
Amp It Up (Amazon):
- Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/Amp-Unlocking-Hypergrowth-Expectations-Intensity/dp/1119836115
- Audiobook: https://www.amazon.com/Amp-Hypergrowth-Expectations-Increasing-Elevating/dp/B09QBRBKFB/

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151: Machine Learning Engineering with Liran Hason Feb 13, 2023

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Machine Learning Engineer is one of the fastest growing professions on the planet. Liran Hason, co-founder and CEO of Aporia, joins us to discuss this new field and how folks can learn the skills and gain the experience needed to become an ML Engineer!

00:00:59 Introductions

00:01:44 How Liran got started making websites

00:07:03 College advice for getting involved in real-world experience

00:12:51 Jumping into the unknown

00:15:22 ML engineering

00:20:50 The missing part in data science development

00:29:16 How to build skills in the ML space

00:37:01 A horror story

00:41:34 Model loading questions

00:47:36 Must-have skills in an ML resume

00:50:41 Deciding about data science

00:59:08 Rust

01:06:27 How Aporia contributes to the data science space

01:14:26 Working at Aporia

01:16:53 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Links:

Liran Hason:
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/hasuni/
Aporia:
- Website: https://www.aporia.com/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/aporiaai
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/aporiaai/
- Github: https://github.com/aporia-ai
The Mom Test (Amazon):
- Paperback: https://www.amazon.com/Mom-Test-customers-business-everyone/dp/1492180742
- Audiobook: https://www.amazon.com/The-Mom-Test-Rob-Fitzpatrick-audiobook/dp/B07RJZKZ7F

References:

Shadow Mode: https://christophergs.com/machine%20learning/2019/03/30/deploying-machine-learning-applications-in-shadow-mode/
Blue-green deployment: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-green_deployment
Coursera ML Specialization (Stanford): https://www.coursera.org/specializations/machine-learning-introduction
Auto-retraining: https://neptune.ai/blog/retraining-model-during-deployment-continuous-training-continuous-testing

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150: Code Reviews with On Freund Jan 23, 2023

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Patrick and I are always stressing the importance of code reviews and collaboration when developing. On Freund, co-founder & CEO at Wilco, is super familiar with how code review processes can go well, or become a hinderance. In today’s episode with us, he shares his unique perspective on code reviews and maintaining high code quality!

00:00:56 Introductions

00:01:38 On’s first exposure to tech
00:06:04 Game development adventures
00:11:12 The difference between university and real-world experiences
00:17:43 A context switch question
00:24:41 Points of frustration
00:30:53 Build versus Buy complications
00:32:06 Code reviews
00:39:58 Quality of code
00:45:12 Using callouts for the right reasons
00:49:57 Code reviews can be too late sometimes
00:52:11 Using social interaction as pre-review orientation
00:57:03 How not to use code reviews
01:01:35 Where Wilco helps programmers learn
01:09:11 Working in Wilco
01:11:49 Farewells

Resources mentioned in this episode:

Links:

On Freund:
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/in/onfreund
Wilco:
- Website: https://www.trywilco.com/
- Twitter: https://twitter.com/trywilco
- Linkedin: https://www.linkedin.com/company/trywilco

References:

Micro-Adventure:
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micro_Adventure

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