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    PRETEND

    PRETEND is an investigative true crime podcast about real people who lie for a living — con artists, scammers, and the victims caught in their web.

    Hosted by journalist Javier Leiva, PRETEND exposes the human psychology behind deception and fraud. Each episode follows a real case of manipulation — from financial scams and Ponzi schemes to digital hoaxes and emotional cons

    PRETEND explains how and why deception works without shaming victims, combining ethical journalism with cinematic storytelling.

    Featured in lists of the best podcasts about con artists and scams, PRETEND investigates crimes of persuasion, trust, and betrayal. New episodes drop regularly with stories that reveal how manipulation shapes modern life, both online and off.

    PRETEND is produced by Creative Babble, LLC.

    © 2026 Creative Babble LLC

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    Latest Episodes:
    S908: The Deepfake Apr 19, 2022
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    Today, we're talking about deepfakes.

    Deepfakes are video or audio of a person in which their face, body, and/or voice has been digitally altered so that they appear to be someone else. And we're not just talking about some harmless Snapchat filters. This tech can start wars and destroy lives.

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    S907: The Forensic Musicologist Apr 05, 2022
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    Luxxury rips apart your favorite songs.


    Check out his TikTok feed for more videos on interpolation.

    https://www.tiktok.com/@luxxuryxx/

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    PRETEND's 100th Episode Mar 22, 2022
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    Lauren Passell, the founder of Tink Media, interviews Javier in celebration of PRETEND's 100th episode.


    Subscribe to Lauren's incredible podcast newsletter:

    https://podcastthenewsletter.substack.com/

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    Javier Interviews a Serial Killer — Criminal Conduct Season 3 Mar 08, 2022
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    In Season 2 of PRETEND, I covered the story of a serial killer who murdered at least five American ex-pats. Three years after the story aired, I received a message from a listener who said she could put me in touch with the killer.

    I decided to turn my interviews with Wild Bill into an entire season of CRIMINAL CONDUCT.


    Listen to part 1 of Criminal Conduct season 3 then subscribe to listen to the rest:

    https://linktr.ee/criminalconduct

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    S905: The Business of Cults part 3 Feb 22, 2022
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    Rebekah Sebastian and Javier Leiva visit businesses run by cults. Also, what happens when a cult leader dies or goes to prison? Can the cult go on without its leader? Find out which cults are trying to continue the organization without any clear leadership.

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    S904: The Business of Cults part 2 Feb 14, 2022
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    Cults are businesses too. Like any company, cults recruit, have middle management, and some even have succession plans.


    Many of these religious sects aretax-exempt. Like Scientology, even some fringe religions are recognized by the Internal Revenue Service.


    Not all cults are religious. At first glance, some cults don't seem culty at all. For example, take a closer look at businesses such as multi-level marketing companies. These companies are masquerading as a business, but in reality, they're run by narcissistic ego-maniacs.


    The Cult Startup

    Like businesses, cults go through different phases. First, there's a startup phase where an entrepreneurial cult leader leads a movement and brings new innovative and revolutionary ideas. Take, for example, Jim Jones, leader of the People's Temple. In the beginning, he integrated his congregation during the Civil Rights Movement. After that, he was heavily involved in politics and social activism. The allure was undeniable. But in the end, Jones ordered 909 commune members to end their lives.


    The Cult Franchise

    Then, there comes the point where the cult needs to expand its Business and influence. Take, for example, The Twelve Tribes religious sect. This organization, widely considered a cult, operates several businesses worldwide. I visited one of their Yellow Deli restaurants for the second installment of this series.


    The Cult Exit Strategy

    If you're not evolving, you're dying. And sometimes, literally dying. So, what happens when a cult becomes too big to fail? Some morally bankrupt cult leaders resort to mass suicide. Other cults grow so big and fast that they become worldwide institutional organizations.


    The Business of Cults

    The Business of Cults is a three-part series hosted by Rebekah Sebastian with the DIELAOGUE Podcast and Javier Leiva of PRETEND podcast.

    Part one focuses on The C Suite: Chief Cult Executives. Part two features an interview with former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson. And Part three explores the question, can a cult survive without its leader?


    Listen to part two now on Patreon.


    Buy the t-shirt for this week's episode. Collage art by @kelletteworks

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    S903: The Business of Cults part 1 Feb 08, 2022
    Show notes

    Cults are businesses too. Like any company, cults recruit, have middle management, and some even have succession plans.


    Many of these religious sects aretax-exempt. Like Scientology, even some fringe religions are recognized by the Internal Revenue Service.


    Not all cults are religious. At first glance, some cults don't seem culty at all. For example, take a closer look at businesses such as multi-level marketing companies. These companies are masquerading as a business, but in reality, they're run by narcissistic ego-maniacs.


    The Cult Startup

    Like businesses, cults go through different phases. First, there's a startup phase where an entrepreneurial cult leader leads a movement and brings new innovative and revolutionary ideas. Take, for example, Jim Jones, leader of the People's Temple. In the beginning, he integrated his congregation during the Civil Rights Movement. After that, he was heavily involved in politics and social activism. The allure was undeniable. But in the end, Jones ordered 909 commune members to end their lives.


    The Cult Franchise

    Then, there comes the point where the cult needs to expand its Business and influence. Take, for example, The Twelve Tribes religious sect. This organization, widely considered a cult, operates several businesses worldwide. I visited one of their Yellow Deli restaurants for the second installment of this series.


    The Cult Exit Strategy

    If you're not evolving, you're dying. And sometimes, literally dying. So, what happens when a cult becomes too big to fail? Some morally bankrupt cult leaders resort to mass suicide. Other cults grow so big and fast that they become worldwide institutional organizations.


    The Business of Cults

    The Business of Cults is a three-part series hosted by Rebekah Sebastian with the DIELAOGUE Podcast and Javier Leiva of PRETEND podcast.

    Part one focuses on The C Suite: Chief Cult Executives. Part two features an interview with former NXIVM member Sarah Edmondson. And Part three explores the question, can a cult survive without its leader?


    Listen to part two now on Patreon.


    Buy the t-shirt for this week's episode. Collage art by @kelletteworks

    https://pretend-radio-3.creator-spring.com/

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    S902: Cons, Scams, and Flim-flams Jan 25, 2022
    Show notes

    I'm working on a new series on cults that's really exciting. While you wait, here's a fun little bonus episode for you.

    Moxie LaBouche, host of the Your Brain on Facts podcast, and I talk about our favorite scams.

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    S901: The KGB Agent Jan 11, 2022
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    In this podcast episode

    A conversation with Jack Barsky, a former KGB spy.

    For 10 years, Jack Barsky was a sleeper agent spying for the Soviet Union. His job was to obtain secret or confidential information from inside the United States any way he could.


    The KGB Spy

    Jack Barsky spied on the United States from 1978 to 1988. And that entire time, his primary mission was to become an American. And that's precisely what he did. He moved to New York City, got a job as a computer programmer, and lived an unremarkable life. He made friends and other relationships while being Moscow's eyes and ears. But his clandestine mission as a sleeper agent was bound to end.

    "The KGB, for some reason, got spooked and thought my cover was blown," said Barsky.

    The message was clear. Jack Barsky was exposed and needed to return to Moscow.


    Double agent

    Jack Barsky's birth name is Albrecht Dittrich. When he first joined the KGB, he didn't see himself as a spy. Instead, he and other recruits thought of themselves as scouts for peace. The spies are the enemies of the West.


    The KGB spy living the American Dream

    Jack Barsky never intended for his story to get out. So for 10 years, Barsky assumed the identity of a dead child. He took the boy's name, birth certificate, and social security number. The mission was to infiltrate, extract secrets and get out. But eventually, his years as a sleeper agent were exposed to the world.

    Hear the true story of this KGB's spy career came to an end.


    Special Thanks to

    Kellette Elliott for the custom collage artwork. Purchase a t-shirt with this episode's artwork here.


    Story idea?

    If you have a story to share, email Javier at info [at] pretendradio [dot] org.

    For more episodes like this, visit pretendradio.org.

    To get early releases and bonus episodes, go to pretendradio.org/donate

    Today's episode was written and edited by Javier Leiva

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    S811: The Truth About Santa Dec 24, 2021
    Show notes

    WARNING: This episode contains details about Santa Claus that younger listeners will not appreciate. If you have little ones around, plugin your headphones.


    Happy Holidays, everyone!

    Javier


    Check out the Christmas Past podcast with Brian Earl for more magical fun listening.

    https://christmaspast.media/

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