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    Pineland Underground

    The official podcast of the U.S. Army John F. Kennedy Special Warfare Center and School at Fort Liberty, North Carolina. SGM Riley and MAJ Holzmann embark on a journey to provide the best podcast in the military with bi-monthly relentless awesomeness. Real. Bold. Un-restricted.

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    Latest Episodes:
    From a Special Forces Team Room to the NFL| An Interview with Nate Boyer Jul 08, 2025
    Show notes

    The Pineland Underground Podcast team sits down with Mr. Nate Boyer in this episode. Nate is a "Renaissance Human" like many Army Special Operators who shares his unique call to serve as a Special Forces Green Beret and then his successful journey to become both a D1 college football player & eventually play in the NFL. ARSOF operators can do anything!


    Off the Radar | Interview with USASOC SOT-D NTC Jun 30, 2025
    Show notes

    The Pineland Underground Podcast team sits down with members of the Special Operations Training Detachment (SOT-D West) to discuss how ARSOF units train and prepare for Large Scale Combat Operations (LSCO) during National Training Center (NTC) rotations. The discussion centers on how ARSOF operators and units, alongside their conventional force partners, innovate & collaborate within a comprehensive training environment to address strategic threats. SOT-D West also has its own pretty cool podcast platform - Off the Radar.


    The Making of a PSYOP Operator Jun 24, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, MAJ Jim Maicke and SFC Clayton Coash sit down with two newly minted PSYOP Soldiers. We learn about their backgrounds, experiences in selection and the qualification course and what it takes to be a PSYOP Operator!


    The Art of Warrior Diplomacy | An Interview with AMBO Andrew Young Jun 18, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode, LTC Pete Guerdan (Special Operations Recruiting Battalion Commander) and MAJ Jim Maicke speak with Ambassador Andrew Young about the vital role our ARSOF Operators play in U.S. Embassies and how they enhance our strategic partnerships around the globe.


    The Making of a Civil Affairs Soldier | An Interview with a Newly Minted CA Officer and NCOs Jun 09, 2025
    Show notes

    This week, the team discusses all things Civil Affairs, to include what it takes to make a great Civil Affairs Operator!


    The Making of a Special Forces Operator | An Interview with a Newly Minted SF Officer & SF NCO May 27, 2025
    Show notes

    On this episode, we sit down with a recently graduated and qualified Special Forces officer and non commissioned officer. They will discuss their personal motivations to pursue a Special Forces career and their experiences during their time in Special Forces Assessment and Selection and the Special Forces Qualification Course.


    Welcome to the Guerrilla Factory | An Interview with the Robin Sage Command Team May 19, 2025
    Show notes

    On this episode, we delve into the culminating exercise that is Robin Sage. This is the event all students must face in order to become a qualified operator. Here, students will be required to apply everything they have learned throughout their training to effectively work as a team in a simulated special operations mission.


    Master the Fundamentals | Interview with the Small Unit Tactics (SUT) CMD Team May 15, 2025
    Show notes

    This week we sit down with the Small Unit Tactics Command Team to discuss how operators shoot, move and communicate and gain experience for real word operations.


    Meet the Season 4 Team! May 15, 2025
    Show notes

    Meet the new Pineland Underground hosts. The crew will be discussing any and all things related to Army Special Operations this season!


    Down the Rabbit Hole | The History of PSYOP with Dr. Tracy Nov 04, 2024
    Show notes

    Did you know we can trace the Psychological Operations Regiment to a single person?

    Did you know PSYOP played a role in the Office of Strategic Services?

    They were there at the landings of Normandy, in the planning for Desert Storm, and remain a critical component to military victory in the modern age.

    Join us as we host Dr. Jared Tracy, the Army Special Operations Forces' Deputy Command Historian, as he dives deep with us on the nuances and facts of the PSYOP Regiment and its history.

    About the guest:

    Dr. Jared M. Tracy, PhD served six years in the U.S. Army, and became a historian at the US Army Special Operations Command (USASOC) in December 2010. He earned an MA in History from Virginia Commonwealth University, an MDiv in Theology from Liberty University, and a PhD in History from Kansas State University. Dr. Tracy is now the deputy command historian for USASOC at Fort Liberty, North Carolina. He previously concentrated on PSYOP history, but now he researches and writes on a wide range of ARSOF-related topics. His writing has appeared in Military Review, NCO Journal, Southern Historian, and Veritas: Journal of Army Special Operations History.

    About the hosts:

    Maj. Ashley "Ash" Holzmann is an experienced Psychological Operations Officer who served within the re-established PSYWAR School at the United States Army JFK Special Warfare Center and School. He is now transitioning to attend grad school at Arizona State University with a follow-on assignment at West Point's Army Cyber Institute where he will research misinformation.

    Sgt. Maj. Derek Riley is one of the most experienced Civil Affairs Non-commissioned Officers in the Army Special Operations Regiment. He has incredible deployment experience and serves within the Civil Affairs Proponent at the United States Army JFK Special Warfare Center and School.

    From the episode:

    Victory Through Influence (Dr. Tracy's first book):

    https://www.tamupress.com/book/9781648430343/victory-through-influence/

    The ARSOC History website:

    https://arsof-history.org/about.html#tracy

    Dr. Tracy's dissertation is publicly available here:

    https://krex.k-state.edu/items/333a90d2-6c98-4ac2-aa90-0e33a46c9e3f

    His writing on the history of PSYOP and PSYWAR has even been posted to the main army website:

    https://www.army.mil/article/199431/100_years_of_subterfuge_the_history_of_army_psychological_operations

    Article on rebuilding the PSYWAR capability:

    https://arsof-history.org/articles/v7n2_intro_page_1.html

    Is Taylor Swift a PSYOP (featuring Dr. Tracy)?

    https://www.wired.com/story/taylor-swift-psyop-conspiracy/

    The Guardian article referenced about Panama (featuring Dr. Tracy):

    https://www.theguardian.com/music/audio/2021/feb/03/reverberate-episode-2-rick-astley-versus-the-dictator-of-panama-podcast

    What did PSYOP do during Operation Just Cause in Panama. Ash disappointedly was not able to find the interview of the captain, but the ARSOF Historians have covered this exact operation in detail:

    https://arsof-history.org/articles/21feb_psyop_just_cause_page_1.html

    From that article:

    "Then, LTG Stiner (with Thurman’s approval) ordered a PSYOP-led “sound barrier” around the Nunciature after Christmas to prevent media eavesdropping on negotiations between MG Marc A. Cisneros, Commander, USARSO, and José Sebastían Laboa, the Papal Nuncio (Vatican diplomatic representative). Deafening, round-the-clock music from cassette tapes and local radio stations blared through 450-watt loudspeakers mounted on HMMWVs."

    The art and science of PSYOP has been written about at length:

    https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/citations/ADA030140

    Heber Blankenhorn's story is even more interesting in detail:

    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/abs/10.1111/j.1540-6563.1983.tb01579.x

    The ARSOF Historian's office has also covered multiple articles that mention Blankenhorn:

    https://arsof-history.org/icons/blankenhorn.html

    The Committee on Public Information (CPI) is a rabbit hole unto itself:

    https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/americanexperience/features/the-great-war-master-of-american-propaganda/

    Lippmann wrote the first book on Public Opinion:

    https://www.amazon.com/Public-Opinion-Walter-Lippmann/dp/B099G6S24P/ref=sr_1_3?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.uCSJpfoI3vI2Iv8MR449ZCjuaVyRTA3QZ-grEOo-5EOiZYbL8mci1OiMEfmyOzPHFC6acuxTTevKTq2jjgkeGWXccFMnkYkRIHJEOyJOR6OGTB4x9r0YHHP5CjNSJzgHhkQDDHzHOJOIRwlXyZhFPGROmrUxCD-aKDmRwK0SdzQoBq-9vRTUhziliA6pq0OvmaG-bHwQBnBlWyaTUjORLX4SFN-Tizrr5V8c_vWKqd8.5U0CbgjyyhXy9E5E_bJnGfS21HAxqUiQwc-I-2W6NDU&dib_tag=se&keywords=public+opinion&qid=1729801247&sr=8-3

    Bernays re-wrote the book on Public Opinion:

    https://www.amazon.com/Crystallizing-Public-Opinion-Edward-Bernays/dp/107827326X/ref=sr_1_2_sspa?dib=eyJ2IjoiMSJ9.uCSJpfoI3vI2Iv8MR449ZCjuaVyRTA3QZ-grEOo-5EOiZYbL8mci1OiMEfmyOzPHFC6acuxTTevKTq2jjgkeGWXccFMnkYkRIHJEOyJOR6OGTB4x9r0YHHP5CjNSJzgHhkQDDHzHOJOIRwlXyZhFPGROmrUxCD-aKDmRwK0SdzQoBq-9vRTUhziliA6pq0OvmaG-bHwQBnBlWyaTUjORLX4SFN-Tizrr5V8c_vWKqd8.5U0CbgjyyhXy9E5E_bJnGfS21HAxqUiQwc-I-2W6NDU&dib_tag=se&keywords=public+opinion&qid=1729801247&sr=8-2-spons&sp_csd=d2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9hdGY&psc=1

    Book - The Averaged American:

    https://www.hup.harvard.edu/books/9780674027428

    The modern definition of PSYOP:

    https://www.goarmy.com/careers-and-jobs/specialty-careers/special-ops/psychological-operations

    The Smith-Mundt Act:

    https://www.congress.gov/bill/112th-congress/house-bill/5736

    Morale Operations within the Office of Strategic Services (OSS):

    https://arsof-history.org/articles/v3n4_oss_primer_page_1.html

    Public Records on the Office of War Information:

    https://www.archives.gov/research/foreign-policy/related-records/rg-208

    Declassified records regarding The Psychological Warfare Division of Supreme Headquarters Allied Expeditionary Force (PWD SHAEF) from the CIA's website:

    https://www.cia.gov/readingroom/docs/CIA-RDP78-01634R000400120001-4.pdf

    The First Motion Picture Unit:

    https://www.archives.gov/files/calendar/know-your-records/handouts-presentations/sept19-presentation.pdf

    Razzle Dazzles ships:

    https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/episode-65-razzle-dazzle/

    The Ghost Army of World War II:

    https://ghostarmy.org/

    A book on the history of the Information Control Division:

    https://nonstopsystems.com/radio/pdf-hell/article-hell-rwnlst.pdf

    The United States Information Agency:

    https://www.federalregister.gov/agencies/united-states-information-agency

    Gen Schwarzkopf and PSYOP:

    https://arsof-history.org/articles/21oct_psyop_in_operation_ds_pt1_page_1.html

    Army Special Operations Recruiting:

    SOF Recruiting Page (soc.mil)

    https://www.soc.mil/USASOCHQ/recruiting.html

    GoArmySOF Site:

    https://www.goarmysof.army.mil/

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