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    People I (Mostly) Admire

    Freakonomics co-author Steve Levitt tracks down other high achievers for surprising, revealing conversations about their lives and obsessions. Join Levitt as he goes through the most interesting midlife crisis you’ve ever heard — and learn how a renegade sheriff is transforming Chicago’s jail, how a biologist is finding the secrets of evolution in the Arctic tundra, and how a trivia champion memorized 160,000 flashcards.

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    Sue Bird: “You Have to Pay the Superstars.” (Replay) Jun 29, 2024
    Show notes

    She is one of the best basketball players ever. She’s won multiple championships, including five Olympic gold medals and four W.N.B.A. titles. She also helped negotiate a landmark contract for the league’s players. Sue Bird tells Steve Levitt the untold truth about clutch players, her thoughts about the pay gap between male and female athletes, and what it means to be part of the first gay couple in ESPN The Magazine’s Body Issue.

    • SOURCE:
      • Sue Bird, former professional basketball player.
    • RESOURCES:
      • "‘We’re Betting on Ourselves’: Why WNBA’s Landmark New Deal Is a Huge Win for Women’s Professional Sports," by Percy Allen (The Seattle Times, 2020).
      • "Sue Bird & Megan Rapinoe," (ESPN The Magazine Body Issue, 2018).
      • "Missed Shots at the Free-Throw Line: Analyzing the Determinants of Choking Under Pressure," by Mattie Toma (Journal of Sports Economics, 2015).
    • EXTRAS:
      • "Marc Davis Can’t Stop Watching Basketball — But He Doesn’t Care Who Wins," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).
      • "The Hidden Side of Sports," series by Freakonomics Radio (2018-19).
      • "The True Story of the Gender Pay Gap," by Freakonomics Radio (2016).

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    134. Why Do We Still Teach People to Calculate? Jun 22, 2024
    Show notes

    Conrad Wolfram wants to transform the way we teach math — by taking advantage of computers. The creator of Computer-Based Maths convinced the Estonian government to give his radical curriculum a try — so why is the rest of the world so resistant?

    SOURCE:

    Conrad Wolfram, strategic director and European cofounder/C.E.O. of Wolfram Research, and founder of computerbasedmath.org.

    RESOURCES:

    "In California, a Math Problem: Does Data Science = Algebra II?" by Amy Harmon (The New York Times, 2023).
    The Math(s) Fix: An Education Blueprint for the AI Age, by Conrad Wolfram (2020).
    "The Movement to Modernize Math Class," by Yoree Koh (The Wall Street Journal, 2020).
    "Math Rebels Invade Estonia With Computerized Education," by Klint Finley (Wired, 2013).
    "Do Left-Handed People Really Die Young?" by Hannah Barnes (BBC News, 2013).
    "Teaching Kids Real Math With Computers," by Conrad Wolfram (TED Talk, 2010).

    EXTRAS:

    "Bringing Data to Life," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).
    "Steven Strogatz Thinks You Don’t Know What Math Is," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).
    "Mathematician Sarah Hart on Why Numbers are Music to Our Ears," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).
    "America’s Math Curriculum Doesn’t Add Up," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).


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    133. Pay Attention! (Your Body Will Thank You) Jun 08, 2024
    Show notes

    Ellen Langer is a psychologist at Harvard who studies the mind-body connection. She’s published some of the most remarkable scientific findings Steve has ever encountered. Can we really improve our physical health by changing our mind?

    • SOURCE:
      • Ellen Langer, professor of psychology at Harvard University.
    • RESOURCES:
      • Brave New Words: How AI Will Revolutionize Education (and Why That's a Good Thing), by Sal Khan (2024).
      • "F.D.A.’s Review of MDMA Cites Health Risks and Study Flaws," by Andrew Jacobs and Christina Jewett (The New York Times, 2024).
      • The Mindful Body: Thinking Our Way to Chronic Health, by Ellen Langer (2023).
      • "Physical Healing as a Function of Perceived Time," by Peter Aungle and Ellen Langer (Nature: Scientific Reports, 2023).
      • "Aging as a Mindset: A Study Protocol to Rejuvenate Older Adults With a Counterclockwise Psychological Intervention," by Francesco Pagnini, Cesare Cavalera, Ellen Langer, et al. (BMJ Open, 2019).
      • Counterclockwise: Mindful Health and the Power of Possibility, by Ellen Langer (2009).
      • "Mind-Set Matters: Exercise and the Placebo Effect," by Alia Crum and Ellen Langer (2007).
      • "The Effects of Choice and Enhanced Personal Responsibility for the Aged: A Field Experiment in an Institutional Setting," by Ellen Langer and Judith Rodin (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 1976).
    • EXTRAS:
      • "The Future of Therapy Is Psychedelic," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).
      • "Extra: An Update on the Khan World School," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).
      • "Is This the Future of High School?" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).
      • "What It Takes to Know Everything," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).
      • "Sal Khan: 'If It Works for 15 Cousins, It Could Work for a Billion People,'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).
      • "Greg Norman & Mark Broadie: Why Golf Beats an Orgasm and Why Data Beats Everything," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).
      • "Caverly Morgan: 'I Am Not This Voice. I Am Not This Narrative,'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2020).
      • "Does 'As If' Thinking Really Work?" by No Stupid Questions (2020).
      • "Havana Wild Weekend," S28.E7 of The Simpsons (2016).

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    John Green’s Reluctant Rocket Ship Ride (Update) Jun 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Author and YouTuber John Green thought his breakout bestseller wouldn’t be a commercial success, wrote 40,000 words for one sentence, and brought Steve to tears.

    • SOURCE:
      • John Green, best-selling author and YouTube creator.
    • RESOURCES:
      • "The Deadliest Infectious Disease Isn’t a Science Problem. It’s a Money Problem," by John Green (The Washington Post, 2024).
      • “Tuition Inflation Isn’t as Bad as You Think,” by Felix Salmon (Axios, 2022).
      • “Fast Facts: Expenditures,” by the National Center for Education Statistics (2022).
      • “Trends in College Pricing and Student Aid 2021,” by the College Board (2021).
      • “#37 John,” by Heavyweight (2021).
      • The Anthropocene Reviewed: Essays on a Human-Centered Planet, by John Green (2021).
      • “Scratch ‘n’ Sniff Stickers and the Indianapolis 500,” by The Anthropocene Reviewed Podcast (2019).
      • “How Joan of Arc Conquered Mark Twain,” by Ted Gioia (America: The Jesuit Review, 2018).
      • Turtles All the Way Down, by John Green (2017).
      • The Fault in Our Stars, film (2014).
      • The Fault in Our Stars, by John Green (2012).
      • Looking for Alaska, by John Green (2005).
      • All the King’s Men, by Robert Penn Warren and Noel Polk (1946).
      • Harvey, film (1950).
      • vlogbrothers, YouTube channel by John and Hank Green.
      • Crash Course, YouTube channel by John and Hank Green.
    • EXTRAS:
      • “Peter Singer Isn’t a Saint, But He’s Better Than Steve Levitt,” by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).
      • “Freakonomics Radio Goes Back To School,” series by Freakonomics Radio (2022).

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    132. Suleika Jaouad’s Survival Mechanisms May 25, 2024
    Show notes

    Suleika Jaouad was diagnosed with cancer at 22. She made her illness the subject of a New York Times column and a memoir, Between Two Kingdoms. She and Steve talk about what it means to live with a potentially fatal illness, how to talk to people who've gone through a tragedy, and ways to encourage medical donations.

    • SOURCE:
      • Suleika Jaouad, author.
    • RESOURCES:
      • "The Art of Survival," by Jennifer Senior (The Atlantic, 2024).
      • American Symphony, film by Matthew Heineman (2023).
      • Between Two Kingdoms: A Memoir of a Life Interrupted, by Suleika Jaouad (2021).
      • "Max Ritvo, Poet Who Chronicled His Cancer Fight, Dies at 25," by John Schwartz (The New York Times, 2016).
      • “Life, Interrupted,” column by Suleika Jaouad (The New York Times, 2012-2015).
      • The Fault in Our Stars, by John Green (2012).
      • Bright-sided: How Positive Thinking Is Undermining America, by Barbara Ehrenreich (2009).
      • The Isolation Journals, newsletter by Suleika Jaouad.
    • EXTRAS:
      • "John Green’s Reluctant Rocket Ship Ride," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).
      • "Does Death Have to Be a Death Sentence?" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2022).

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    131. Getting Old, Adventurously May 11, 2024
    Show notes

    Caroline Paul is a thrill-seeker and writer who is on a quest to encourage women to get outside and embrace adventure as they age. She and Steve talk about fighting fires, walking on airplane wings, and finding awe in birdwatching.

    • SOURCE:
      • Caroline Paul, author and former firefighter.
    • RESOURCES:
      • Tough Broad: From Boogie Boarding to Wing Walking ― How Outdoor Adventure Improves Our Lives as We Age, by Caroline Paul (2024).
      • "FAA Halts Sequim Wing-Walking Flights, Revokes Owner’s Pilot License," by Dominic Gates (The Seattle Times, 2024).
      • "How a Bit of Awe Can Improve Your Health," by Hope Reese (The New York Times, 2023).
      • The Gutsy Girl: Escapades for Your Life of Epic Adventure, by Caroline Paul (2016).
      • "Why Do We Teach Girls That It’s Cute to Be Scared?" by Caroline Paul (The New York Times, 2016).
      • "What if Age Is Nothing but a Mind-Set?" by Bruce Grierson (The New York Times Magazine, 2014).
      • Lost Cat: A True Story of Love, Desperation, and GPS Technology, by Caroline Paul (2013).
      • "The Cognitive Benefits of Interacting With Nature," by Marc G. Berman, John Jonides, and Stephen Kaplan (Psychological Science, 2008).
      • "Longevity Increased by Positive Self-Perceptions of Aging," by Becca R. Levy, Martin D. Slade, Suzanne R. Kunkel, and Stanislav V. Kasl (Journal of Personality and Social Psychology, 2002).
      • Fighting Fire, by Caroline Paul (1998).
    • EXTRAS:
      • "Is Fear Running Your Life?" by No Stupid Questions (2024).
      • "Arnold Schwarzenegger Has Some Advice for You," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2024).
      • "Should You Spend More Time in Nature?" by No Stupid Questions (2023).
      • "Steven Pinker: 'I Manage My Controversy Portfolio Carefully,'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2020).

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    What It’s Like to Be Steve Levitt’s Daughters (Update) May 04, 2024
    Show notes

    Steve shows a different side of himself in very personal interviews with his two oldest daughters. Amanda talks about growing up with social anxiety and her decision not to go to college, while Lily speaks candidly about her battle with anorexia and the conversation she had with Steve that led her to seek treatment.

    • SOURCES:
      • Lily Levitt, daughter of Steve Levitt.
      • Amanda Levitt, daughter of Steve Levitt.
    • RESOURCES:
      • Can I Ask You a Question? by Amanda Levitt (2020).
      • "Does “Early Education” Come Way Too Late?" Freakonomics Radio (2018).
    • EXTRAS:
      • NEDA Crisis Support.

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    130. Is Our Concept of Freedom All Wrong? Apr 27, 2024
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    The economist Joseph Stiglitz has devoted his life to exposing the limits of markets. He tells Steve about winning an argument with fellow Nobel laureate Milton Friedman, why small governments don’t lead to more freedom, and why he’s not afraid to be an advocate.

    • SOURCE:
      • Joseph Stiglitz, professor at Columbia University and chief economist at the Roosevelt Institute.
    • RESOURCES:
      • The Road to Freedom: Economics and the Good Society, by Joseph Stiglitz (2024).
      • "Equilibrium in Competitive Insurance Markets: An Essay on the Economics of Imperfect Information," by Michael Rothschild and Joseph Stiglitz (The Quarterly Journal of Economics, 2010).
      • "Hirsh: The Missing Link on Obama's Economic Team," by Michael Hirsh (Newsweek, 2008).
      • Globalization and Its Discontents, by Joseph Stiglitz (2002).
      • Two Lucky People: Memoirs, by Milton Friedman and Rose Friedman (1998).
      • "On Value Maximization and Alternative Objectives of the Firm," by Sanford Grossman and Joseph Stiglitz (The Journal of Finance, 1977).
    • EXTRAS:
      • "Remembering Daniel Kahneman," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2024).
      • "Ninety-Eight Years of Economic Wisdom," by People I (Mostly) Admire (2023).

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    129. How to Fix Medical Research Apr 13, 2024
    Show notes

    Monica Bertagnolli went from a childhood on a cattle ranch to a career as a surgeon to a top post in the Biden administration. As director of the National Institutes of Health, she’s working to improve the way we find new treatments — despite regulatory constraints and tight budgets.

    • SOURCE:
      • Monica Bertagnolli, director of the National Institutes of Health.
    • RESOURCES:
      • "Steven Levitt and John Donohue Defend a Finding Made Famous by 'Freakonomics'," by Steven Levitt and John Donohue (The Economist, 2024).
      • "Why 'Freakonomics' Failed to Transform Economics," (The Economist, 2024).
      • "Steven D. Levitt (Freakonomics Co-Author and U Chicago Econ Prof) on His Career and Decision to Retire From Academic Economics," by Jon Hartley (The Capitalism and Freedom in the Twenty-First Century Podcast, 2024).
      • "Why Autoimmune Disease Is More Common in Women: X Chromosome Holds Clues," by Elie Dolgin (Nature, 2024).
      • "Casgevy and Lyfgenia: Two Gene Therapies Approved for Sickle Cell Disease," by Carrie MacMillan (Yale Medicine News, 2023).
      • "Fact Sheet: President Biden Reignites Cancer Moonshot to End Cancer as We Know It," (2022).
      • "Mini-Antibodies Discovered in Sharks and Camels Could Lead to Drugs for Cancer and Other Diseases," by Mitch Leslie (Science, 2018).
    • EXTRAS:
      • "Who Pays for Multimillion-Dollar Miracle Cures?" by Freakonomics, M.D. (2023).
      • "What’s Stopping Us From Curing Rare Diseases?" by Freakonomics, M.D. (2023).
      • "Abortion and Crime, Revisited (Update)," by Freakonomics Radio (2022).
      • "John Donohue: 'I’m Frequently Called a Treasonous Enemy of the Constitution,'" by People I (Mostly) Admire (2021).

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    EXTRA: Remembering Daniel Kahneman Apr 06, 2024
    Show notes

    Nobel laureate, bestselling author, and groundbreaking psychologist Daniel Kahneman died in March. In 2021 he talked with Steve Levitt — his friend and former business partner — about his book Noise: A Flaw in Human Judgment (cowritten with Olivier Sibony and Cass Sunstein) and much more.

    • SOURCES:
      • Daniel Kahneman, professor emeritus of psychology and public affairs at Princeton University.
    • RESOURCES:
      • Noise: A Flaw in Human Judgment, by Olivier Sibony, Daniel Kahneman, and Cass R. Sunstein (2021).
      • Thinking, Fast and Slow, by Daniel Kahneman (2011).
    • EXTRAS:
      • "What’s the Secret to Making a Great Prediction?" by No Stupid Questions (2021).
      • "The Men Who Started a Thinking Revolution," by Freakonomics Radio (2017).
      • "How to Be Less Terrible at Predicting the Future," by Freakonomics Radio (2016).

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