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    Bruce Waltuck of Freethinc for a Change Builds Business Processes with Insight and Accountability Apr 29, 2021
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    Bruce Waltuck shared the work he’s doing with Freethinc… for a Change. He holds three decades of experience from real-life settings and academia, which he spent improving business processes, teaching business courses, and being active in the U.S. Department of Labor. Bruce discussed methods social entrepreneurs can use to build an efficient and inclusive process for a social venture. Time spent in the federal sector was a monumental piece of Bruce’s later efforts in managing business processes. While working alongside notable names from the federal sector, Bruce emphasized that his role made home focus more on “helping other people get better results together.” He explains why he was able to carry out the innovative approaches he accomplished, despite working in a sector that usually places strict limits around what is implemented. Bruce was able to transfer these principles into entrepreneurship where working in a strong team towards an aim is part of a daily practice. He gave questions that help people to figure out the impact and measure the effectiveness of the approaches to creating impact. Bruce Waltuck mentioned one particular qualitative method of research called ethnography, best thought of as “narrative inquiry”. In this method, the focus is to get people’s stories. Collecting feedback from people telling their personal perspective provides insight you may not come across otherwise. Bruce went further to discuss defining impact, showing impact, and the complexity of merging and considering perceptions outside of our own narratives. Being able to see out and include other narratives becomes a powerful tool in developing new ways to experiment with creating an impact. Gathering perspectives is one layer, and then comes the layer of being able to translate what you learn into metrics. Finding which metrics work within a certain setting and approach will likely take more group effort. There’s also a personal effort of making sure we each release our own bias to have a real dialogue with others. Bruce said one way to go about doing this is to see if we can “learn to suspend our judgment in the moment of listening and of observing.” Understanding the ways we can connect perspectives leads to better identifying the infrastructure of the social venture we start. Bruce spoke about valuing the process of measuring an initiative’s feasibility, which comes alongside gathering insight from different perspectives. He presented a way for business to write a business plan that helps outline the developments required in forming an initiative. Bruce expressed that entrepreneurship is more so related to a collective rather than the social efforts being done solo. He shared his thoughts on working as a collective, and revealed realizations he received from teaching his students. Bruce described his current aim is to “help people better understand what the real nature is of these social ventures that they’re intending to engage in, and what they can learn that will help them be more effective in organizing, leading, and operating and impacting.” If you would like to learn more, you can visit his website freethinc.com. Read Full Transcript Adam: [00:00:00] Welcome to People Helping People, the podcast to inspire greater social change and give you ideas on how to take action. I'm your host, Adam Morris. Today, our guest on the podcast is Bruce Waltuck, founder of Freethinc For a Change. He's also a professor at Kean University where he teaches entrepreneurship and marketing communication. He's got a unique master's degree in complexity, chaos, and creativity, and a long, fascinating career at the department of labor where he co-created the Department of Labor is award-winning process improvement system. Now through Bruce is able to help others entrepreneurs with his 30 years of experience as a leader in collaborative dialogue and business process improvement. So let's jump right in. Bruce, welcome on the podcast. Bruce: [00:00:45] Adam. Thank you so much. It's a pleasure to be with you. Adam: [00:00:47] I'm excited. Can we start off, can you just tell us a little bit about Freethinc and the work that you do? Bruce: [00:00:53] So, Freethinc really emerged from my experiences as, and it was a word I didn't even know at the time. I didn't know what it meant to be an intrepreneur. I had never heard that we talk about a lot about entrepreneurs, but I had the opportunity. I call it the opportunity of a lifetime, to create a major nationwide change initiative and business process improvement initiative in the US department of labor. Not a place where one might ordinarily think that significant change and collaboration and self-organizing and self-managing would usually be possible. Uh, which is one reason I called it the chance of a lifetime. And that experience led me to really focus on helping other people get better results together. Adam: [00:01:40] What did that look like? Bruce: [00:01:42] We were very fortunate. What really made it possible were two things. One was, there was actually a presidential mandate at the time under president G H W Bush. For every federal agency to work on business process and quality improvement, it was something that had really been highly successful and visible in the private sector and federal agencies were mandated to do it. And for a variety of reasons, I was pretty much literally the only person out of 10,000 field employees who even knew what this was. That's a long story maybe for another day. But in 1989 I sat with then secretary of labor, Elizabeth Dole, a very well-known public figure. Her husband later was a presidential candidate. So I was told with the person I was asked to work with Jim Armshaw. Things one never hears from a chief executive, which are take your time. I don't want this rushed. You have, here's a budget and an office and a staff. And I don't want my usual people. I don't want my team of usual managers involved in this. I want more innovation. I want more openness. And we were very fortunate to connect with some folks. Notably, a fellow named Ed Cohen, Rosenthal who had written a book called Mutual Gains. We also knew this needed to be a partnership between management and the principal employee union. And that was unique as well. There were only a very few, you could count on one hand, examples of that in the US federal sector at that particular time. And so we spent six months developing an initiative that was based on self-organized self-managing teams. We created a very short list of core values and operating principles. We provided them with a very simple framework for brainstorming and addressing the issues and challenges that they wanted to think about and work on. And within six months, we had over 220 teams around the country that had taken this to heart and we're meeting on a regular basis. Less than three years later, we won a, one of the, this is the second-highest level of national recognition award. It was called the quality improvement prototype award for having saved thousands of hours of people's time and millions of dollars of funds, by these improvements. And we were very grateful for that. I was certainly very grateful for that opportunity. Well, a lot of it had to do with finding ways to think differently, really. So much of what any business organization does. And the department of labor is primarily the six principal agencies that account for it was about 85% of its staff. Are largely law enforcement agencies, occupational safety and health, wage, and hour mine, safety and health, and some other things. The Bureau of labor statistics who is economist collect wage and salary and price and other economic data and federal contract compliance. And so on. And in each case, you're dealing with an organization that is structured and governed and bound by rules laws regulations, as well as its own history of practice and culture. Just as with any private sector organization, there are things that they set out to do. There are policies. There's this is the way we do X, Y, and Z, and have always done it. And so this was really an opportunity, perhaps the first opportunity ever for people to openly sit together. And say, what really is our objective here? What might be some ways that we could explore and experiment together without the fear of failure we're going to learn. If it doesn't work as much as we learn if it does. And we're going to try and keep and solidify and amplify, what's working, do more of the good stuff and less of the stuff that isn't getting us the result we want. And. Later many years later, now as I deal more with entrepreneurs and particularly social entrepreneurship, those same lessons are the core. Th the idea of people convening to make sense of their experiences together, consider options and opportunities together, and try and explore possibility together, and then reflect and assess and keep going. That's at the heart of entrepreneurship, too. Adam: [00:06:05] Got it. So it sounds like it. There is a lot to creating this space where people can actually work in collaboration very effectively. Are there certain boundaries when people come together of how you set that tone? Bruce: [00:06:20] Great question. So one of the things that we were very fortunate to find at that time, the global standard for teams and collaboration was a book called the Team Handbook. I think it's still in print and went through several additions and two of the three principal authors, Peter Scholtes and Brian Joiner who were from Madison, Wisconsin. I got to meet and know through some coincidence and became friends with them. They were very helpful and supportive, and this was literally the book that was the Bible of team books around the world. It was in like 50 languages around the world and everyone knew it and used it. And then we were very fortunate and made that book available and had it distributed nationwide in the department of labor. So that every one of the 900 field offices had a copy of that book and people could read it, access it, learn from it and apply some of the very simple core concepts about being together in these kinds of settings. And at the same time again, we had this very short, simple list of operating principles about how to listen and not immediately judge the opinions and ideas of others to hear all ideas equally and then to consider through respectful dialogue, what might be done and then simple ways to all right, how are we going to assess the impact just as with entrepreneurial stuff, just as with social entrepreneurship that we'll talk about. How will we know how we are doing, not everything is the simple outputs of how many, how much, how fast, the better, faster, cheaper mantra. Some of that stuff is easy to count. That's true in any venture government, private sector, for-profit non-profit but when we ask the question of how well are we doing, what is our impact here? And that's true in government, especially in regulatory compliance, which we were mainly doing. What really is the impact of investigating businesses and finding violators, you're helping individuals certainly. But if the goal is to influence people to voluntarily comply with a law, think about stop signs and traffic lights and speed limits is an obvious example, we all see every day. Is the goal really to give the tickets to people or is the goal really to get people to understand and to voluntarily comply. And if it's the latter and I think it is. How can we assess our efforts to influence behaviors? That's a much harder metric to assess. Adam: [00:08:49] It seems like that act of measuring or coming up with how you're going to measure that impact is at the core of being able to say, am I doing a good job or not? Bruce: [00:08:58] I think about impact and effectiveness. And again, to put that, not only in the context of what I did those many years ago, but to bring it forward to today, as I teach and think about and work with and mentor entrepreneurs, both commercial and social, and particularly in the social sector. And again, it's not just about the profit and loss statement of a commercial venture, but when we talk about social impact, how are we helping the people in that place who have that social need or problem? And there are many ways, much more in line with the qualitative methods of research and particularly the methods of what is called narrative inquiry or ethnography, getting people's stories. Tell us about what happened and how it worked for you and what you thought of it and what else might you want. And then you can get a much better picture of really the impact that your efforts are having in terms of influencing thinking belief and action. Adam: [00:09:58] Can we stay on this for just a little bit? I know, Just from my local community, that quite often, the impact that we feel is very subjective, right? We're connecting with individuals in our community and providing a service or involving them in some way. And that's very hard to put down on paper. Whereas sometimes the numerical metrics are very easy, but they don't really capture the soul of what you're doing. I'm curious, what's a good way for these social entrepreneurs to approach measuring their impact? Bruce: [00:10:29] Great question. And it's certainly something that it's really one of the last few things that I teach in my classes. And I think it's one of the most important. If you're going to start a social venture and your intention is to have that social impact to help those people in that place, with that problem and need well, how do you know how you're doing? It's important not only for the social entrepreneur. But it's obviously important to the intended beneficiaries, the recipients of your service. And it's really important too, for those who you might go to and seek funding from. Are they going to continue to donate or give you grants and loans, if you cannot go back and show them how you are doing and what you did with their money over time? And so this is, there is a small, but growing body of research and literature, that's applying these other methods, both of these qualitative or narrative inquiry methods, getting people's stories and also understanding that these are highly variable and complex kinds of dynamics. We, human beings are just that way. Exactly. As you said yourself, a minute or two ago, that different people will see the situation in different ways. And it doesn't necessarily mean that you might be right and I might be wrong or the other way around, we can both be right. I forget the source, but there's a quote that says one definition of the complexity of something is how many coherent narratives can be told about it. In other words, how many points of view make sense, even if they are different. And so it's really only by gathering those kinds of stories and information and then getting people to say these are the important things in my story. That's called self signification. That's a mouthful. That just means it's your story, you decide what it means. Not having me, the researcher sitting in my office saying, Oh, that's what they meant. As many researchers do, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Lots of folks get famous doing that and do tens of thousands of research points that way. Brenae Brown among them. For example, if that's the methodology that she has used for years, and it's an accepted methodology, but there are other ways. And so when a social entrepreneurial, when we want to know what is our social impact, really? Yes, there are going to be some things we can count the number of homeless people that we've tak…

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    Jodie Larsen and Grace Beard Support People Finding Their Purpose with Paws and Pause Apr 22, 2021
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    Jodie Larsen and Grace Beards spoke about their work with Paws and Pause, a social enterprise doggy daycare center providing opportunities for the unemployed recovering from mental health and addiction. The pair first started working together when running a project for St. Mungo’s, a homelessness organization in London. This is where they first began incorporating dogs in their work, which would lead to launching Paws and Pause in 2019. At St. Mungo’s, Jodies and Grace were able to learn about the stages of transitioning to a more sustained life of people experiencing homelessness. People in the programs expressed a need to return to activities that allow people to have fun and rebuild soft skills. Activities could be a day trip to a theme park or walking park; people only need space to regain confidence in daily life. With this same principle, Paws and Pause allows participants to relearn what it feels like to interact with others and have fun. Grace described it as a “slight sense of normality, a slight escapism from maybe the kind of overwhelming challenges that they might be facing at that time.” Recovering depends on each person’s individual journey for what they need to be supported, and avoid entering a cycle of coming reentering the program. Some participants may need to be placed in a job soon after joining, so they can have a sense of purpose or fulfillment. Another group of participants may need to wait longer, so they feel more equipped to restart employment. If people are not supported to a point where they are willing to take a leap, they will go in unprepared and perhaps relapse into what they are trying to grow away from. Jodie and Grace explained the relationship Paws and Pause built with the customers. Overall, the customers view the initiative positively, since the initiative supports social impact while providing a quality service. It also doesn’t hurt that the dogs receive more cuddles and playtime. Paws and Pause did focus on promoting the service more than the social element in the early stages. The initiative was mindful about the stigma around “addiction” and “mental illness” that could cause customers to be wary of sending their dogs to this doggy daycare. Mindfulness and learning along the way is part of the journey for Jodie and Grace starting Paws and Pause as their first business experience. In their first experience, the major lessons the pit learned include interacting with people. They break down one misconception many social entrepreneurs have around sharing ideas. Then, they touch on what will help social entrepreneurs when considering how to delegate tasks. A huge lesson came from organically speaking with people in similar organizations, where the support would increase based on networking within the community. Moving forward, Paws and Pause pains to diversify the pet industry and open other locations. Through their work, Paws and Pause is continuing to help people explore what they want to do. If you’d like to learn more you can check them out on their website, Instagram, Facebook or Twitter. Read Full Transcript Adam: [00:00:00] Welcome to People Helping People, the podcast to inspire greater social change and give you ideas on how to take action. I'm your host, Adam Morris. And I'm super excited to have Jody and grace from Paws and Pause on our podcast as a guest today. Not only because I love dogs, but my own volunteering with the Samaritans in London gave me insight into how much our mental health can impact our ability to thrive. Jodie and Grace started Paws and Pause in 2019 as a social enterprise doggy daycare center, providing opportunities for the unemployed recovering from mental health and addiction. So let's dive in and explore what this means. Grace and Jodie, welcome on the podcast. Jodie: [00:00:40] Hi, thanks for having us. Adam: [00:00:42] Can we start off, can you just tell us a little bit about what Paws and Pause is? Grace: [00:00:47] So Paws and Pause is a dog daycare. So we look after people's dogs during the day, a bit like a nursery, like for children, but for dogs. And then alongside that, we provide employment training programs. So people in recovery from mental health and substance addiction. So that's where the Paws and Pause kind of intertwines. The dogs are a motivator for people to attend and the dogs get extra cuddles from the extra people that are around. Adam: [00:01:19] I love that. Now, how did the two of you get started? Jodie: [00:01:23] We met a few years ago working together for St. Mungo's which is a homeless organization in London. So we ran a project together, working with people in recovery, from substance use to make decisions and think about the next steps in their lives. So it was during that time when we started to bring dogs into work with us through the Borrow My Doggy Scheme. I saw the impact that had on people. And they wanted lots of people who worked with, wanted to volunteer with animals. And there was just wasn't any opportunities. So after trying it out, I think about a few different ideas. We came up with Paws and just started it. Adam: [00:02:05] And you started that in 2019. Grace: [00:02:07] Yeah. So for ages, we were going back and forward with different ideas. We knew we wanted to combine dogs and animals with mental illness and recovery, but we weren't quite sure what we were going to do. So we spent about a year and a half, like going backwards and forwards. Thinking of different ideas and how we could do it going with really big ideas and then bringing it down to a smaller kind of concept. And then we finally decided on a dog daycare. We really wanted a business that would fund itself. So then we found our venue in April and then we started in August. Adam: [00:02:46] So you had about six months of running before COVID hit. Grace: [00:02:50] Yeah, exactly. We closed for like about three months. And then when the restrictions started to lift in England, we reopened. And then everybody got a dog in lockdown. I think the latest figure from one of the British newspapers was the UK has like 2.9 extra million dogs. So we were in quite a lucky industry and we bounced back quite quickly. Adam: [00:03:15] Oh, that's super cool. I'd love to go back a little bit to the volunteering you were doing at St. Mungo's. I'd just love to hear, like what you heard from working with people who are homeless or experiencing mental health and some of the struggles that they were facing. Jodie: [00:03:30] Yeah. So we worked project together. So the people we were directly supporting were referred to us through substance use teams. So the high majority of those people experienced homelessness in some form. In the UK, we think about street homelessness initially, actually, it encompasses a huge other kind of group of people that are affected by this and people that are put in, temporary housing, sofa surfing and living in the BnBs that the local authorities and then and it's and people in that situation there, the thought of doing anything steady, like work or employment is is near impossible. The people that we generally work on that project were largely thinking about what kind of a next step work genuinely moving into more stable accommodation. And so now thinking about, okay, what's next. And actually, a lot of people that was so daunting because they haven't worked for, if not decades and just have no idea what they wanted to do. So we were employed to really focused on the employment elements for people, but actually, a lot of the work we focused on was around the kind of social skills how to interact in a group, how to figure out what people enjoy. We really how do we focus on people need to have fun and do something else that isn't thinking about them into their illness or their addictions. So we go on day trips and go-karting and Thorpe park, theme parks, because actually, that was a huge thing for people to have some kind of normalcy and just start living a bit. And then we could get to the soft skills build up. There was confidence and then think about the next steps. And that's something we've really tried to bring in to Paws and Pause. Adam: [00:05:23] How do you bring that into Paws and Pause? Grace: [00:05:25] Yeah. I guess we really try and bring in as much fun as possible at Paws and Pause. It's super important to us that our dogs have a really fun day and they playing all day and therefore that kind of transfers to our trainees as well, who is really important for us, that they have a fun day when they're in, when they're in our center, playing with the dogs, interacting with the dogs, which kind of just gives us an, a slight sense of normality, slight escapism from maybe the kind of overwhelming challenges that they might be facing at that time. And just actually just have a break for a minute, cuddle the dog, play with the dog. Let's de wind a little bit before we start looking at all of that. Adam: [00:06:09] What does the training program look like? Jodie: [00:06:12] We recruit trainees through a number of different channels in the community. People come in for an initial meeting, see if they like being around the environment. And then people stay with us like one day, a week for six months. So they get involved with walking the dogs in the morning, looking after them paying games, feeding. But then also people develop like little projects on their own. So someone might be interested in working with animals and then they can develop an enrichment project for them, or get involved in some of the more kind of how to do basic health checks or someone's thinking more about going into something that requires like admin skills or social media, they can reall y get involved in that kind of business side with us and different skills in those areas. And then the idea is that during the six months trainees really feel employable and feel like they've got the confidence and the skills to make decisions about the next steps of work. And also one of the things we try and work with people is around how they're gonna manage their mental health when they do get back into the workplace. So it's sustained rather than so many employment projects just match people with a job and, that's an outcome and off you go. Actually really want to make people feel like they've got the tools to make decisions themselves going forward and make decisions that are going to improve their wellbeing and be like long term decisions that they make. Adam: [00:07:42] That sounds like a very important point that, whatever mental health experiences you have, they don't disappear overnight. And so you need some long-term strategy for here's how I'm going to be successful in the long term. And it's not just, here's a job that you can go to, but you mentioned the confidence multiple times that you're building confidence in your own skills so that you'll be successful in the future. Can you talk a little bit about why that confidence is so important? Jodie: [00:08:11] Yeah, I think having the confidence to, have ambition and have the confidence to think, actually this is this, that X, Y Z is something that I really want. And so often people felt like they can't do that or that they don't see a way to get there, and actually if people have achieved something and have completed something and feel like they've got the tools to move forward with it and got the tools to be a bit more resilient. So actually, you know what, it might not, it might be hard to get there but actually, people are feeling like we'll let you know there are going to be setbacks, but I will be able to apply for the next thing and it's going to be okay. And, eventually I will get there. It's so important to be able to move forward and develop and also have the confidence to then, speak to the right people. If you're not being treated fairly in the workplace, that kind of thing. Adam: [00:09:04] For somebody who's coming out of addiction. How long does it typically take to really get their feedback on the ground? Grace: [00:09:11] I'm not sure that there is the right amount of time for anybody. I think everybody is on their own individual journey and that's going to look completely different for each person. If somebody has maybe been in addiction for, five, 10, 15, 20 years. It's going to take a long time to rebuild their lives and find out who they are without that substance. Which is really kind of part of what was really important to us is actually you are so much more than this thing that you'll feel having trouble with at the moment. You're all these other wonderful components. And that's a real once you're coming off that substance its a real-time to explore all of that and which you might have not had the opportunity to do. It's how long this piece of string is, it's completely different for each person and what each person needs. Sometimes getting into an employment quite swiftly can be really key for someone's recovery because it becomes part of their identity. It's something that proud of. And it keeps on that momentum, but for others, it's going to be much, much longer than that. And I think it's really important to each individual to be on their own journey and supported and empowered to understand what they need. Rather than programs, which are right. Okay. You, off that substance back into a job, and you often see a kind of merry-go-round effect where people are just not ready and not supported enough. And they come background into treatment again having lapsed. But having, probably being put into a position which they just were not ready. Adam: [00:10:41] What are some of the things that can help prepare people for going back into the workforce? Grace: [00:10:47] Where we start when we work with someone is yeah, How do you know where to start when you don't know where to start? What do you do? You've you've got to this point and it can feel a bit overwhelming. You've got all these opportunities. You've also got no opportunities, like literally, where do you start? Kind of just breaking it down, looking at what are you good at? What do you enjoy? What kind of excites you? And that might have been at school. If someone has not really explored that since then, or it could be just like trying new things now and finding out what is it that you like? We also do like harder skills, like CVs and interviews and applying for jobs and that's all great, but really what is about finding out what someone wants to do, what makes them tick, what's going to work for them. In their life and what's going to be sustainable. And Jodie has mentioned managing your mental health in the workplace. So how, when you get back into work, how are you going to keep yourself safe? How'd, you know, what your rights are at work? What can you ask for? Can you feel empowered to have those conversations as well? Adam: [00:11:47] That's interesting. What you say about knowing about your rights at work? Can you tell me a little bit more about that? Jodie: [00:11:52] Here if you have a recognized disability , you have the right to have, things put in place so that you can do that job. And that includes mental health as well as people's physical health. Things like we call the reasonable adjustments over here. So if people, people need things put into place adjusted start times or a different way that the manager might communicate with them to not make them feel overwhelmed. So many different things actually employers can do to make people feel more supported. Over here, it's that workplaces are getting better. They are recognizing that they need to support people in…

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    Rich Harwood of the Harwood Institute Shares How to Wield the Power of Community Conversation Apr 16, 2021
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    Rich Harwood shared insights into sparking change that evolves over time. He founded the Harwood Institute in 1988 with work centered around developing community change-centered conversations. A philosophy of civic faith and community driven solutions fueled this initiative’s efforts for the more than 30 years. Society became increasingly polarized in the experiences and opportunities people encounter based on their backgrounds. Rich explains that most of the initiative’s work focuses on building communities of shared responsibility and common enterprise. Overall, the institute is teaching people “…how to create change in their local communities that reflects what matters to people in those communities, that reflects the local context of that community, and that develops strategies that have a real shot at producing impact in people’s lives.” Rich also mentioned the equally important intention of communities solving problems together and sustaining longevity. One approach being used to accomplish this effort is the initiative’s Public Innovator Lab. The Harwood Institute hosts programs to engage people in what it means to adopt a mindset of being “turned outward” toward your community. In the case of being “turned outward”, individuals use the community as a reference point. Rich spoke about the Public Innovators Lab that is active in Jackson, Mississippi, after starting the virtual version during the pandemic. Participants are mainly coached for guidance, but given room to personally develop their capabilities. Rich expressed how this approach translates from community to community. Moving an idea between different communities builds on practices being adapted, and a mindset spreading. Rich brought our attention to the commonality of any great idea or culture shift spreading, which is “a small group of people”. Most of history’s enlightened periods or trends started from a dedicated group of small people coming together. As the idea grows stronger, the small group recruits more people over time. Having a very clear understanding of the idea helps each person share the idea to bring more people, and keep that movement growing and multiplying. Rich spoke more deeply on the topic of not only articulating an idea but understanding the components of bringing the idea into action through collaborative effort. His perspective on “action” gives an alternative feeling to the saying “actions speak louder than words”. He explained the collaborative mindset and the realizations contained in the creation process needed between community members, or anyone, working to solve an issue. Rich illustrates this point with an example of two women proactively learning to address drug concerns within their community, which later led to the initiative Achieving Recovery Together. Working towards a solution includes making mistakes, and Rich expressed his own thoughts on trial and error when building a worthwhile initiative. Talking about “trial and error” led us to discuss how change can overlap and the reasons why questions are a great tool for getting started. If you’d like to learn more, you can visit their website, Facebook, YouTube, or Twitter. Gain more insight from Rich’s work with his book “Unleashed: A Proven Way Communities Can Spread Change and Make Hope Real for All” Read Full Transcript Adam: [00:00:00] Welcome to People Helping People, the podcast to inspire greater social change and give you ideas on how to take action. I'm your host, Adam Morris. Today, I am so honored to have Rich Harwood join us. He founded that Harwood Institute over 30 years ago, back in 1988. Their work is centered around developing community conversations that create change and have worked with groups in all 50 States and 40 countries, with a philosophy of civic, faith, and community-driven solutions, basically they're who you call when your community is stuck and doesn't know what to do. His new book "Unleashed, a proven ways communities can spread change and make hope real for all", is available for pre-order now and illustrates how to develop change in a community. Rich is also leading a redesign of the virtual public innovation lab centered on helping you unleash that impact. So Rich, welcome on the podcast. Rich: [00:00:53] Good to be with you, Adam. Thanks so much for having me. Adam: [00:00:56] Can we start off, could you share just a little bit about what the Harwood Institute is? Rich: [00:01:00] I started back when I was 27. And what we're interested in is how do we bridge divides in communities? How do we build a culture of shared responsibility and how do we make community a real common enterprise? So that communities for all of us, not just for some of us. Particularly in these times when we're polarized, when things are acrimonious, when we've lost faith in one another and in our institutions, how do we make communities work for everyone, regardless of the color of your skin, regardless of your creed, regardless of what God you pray to, if you pray to any God, regardless of who you love, regardless of your zip code. I happen to believe that our work really is about how do we ensure that every individual can fulfill their human potential, and how do we make sure that every individual has an opportunity to fulfill America's promise. We know that's not true today. But how do we make it true? And how do we make it real in people's lives. And the Institute, last thing I'll say, and then maybe we can get into this more in a really practical sense is that we, we teach people a practice about how to turn outward. And how to create change in their local communities that reflects what matters to people in those communities, that reflects the local context of that community. And that develops strategies that have a real shot at producing impact in people's lives. And importantly, just as importantly, for us helps build the civic culture of the community so that we can actually solve problems together over a long period of time. Adam: [00:02:28] What does that actually look like when you go into a community to help facilitate this change? Rich: [00:02:33] We're launching in three new communities right now as we speak. But let me tell you about Jackson, Mississippi, which we launched during COVID of all times. We thought we'd have to delay the initiative, but we didn't. So in Jackson, like in many of the communities where we work, we start with what we call a public innovators lab. As you mentioned in the intro, we have a virtual version of that. We also have one that's place-based that actually happens in person. The one that's place-based is two-and-a-half days. The one that's virtual is five sessions over every week, over a five week period. In that lab we engage people in what it means to adopt a mindset of being turned outward toward your community. Most of us are turned inward toward ourselves. We're turned inward toward our own organizations, our own strategies, our own metrics, our own fundraising, unfortunately, our own survival, organizationally, many times. And we're not turned outward toward the community where the community is our reference point for what we do, not ourselves on our own strategies.And then we teach people a series of practices, not techniques, but practices about how to bring themselves into the world and work with other people in a turned outward way. And then from there, Adam, what we do typically like in Jackson is there are about 50 people who went through that lab from all walks of life. And then we have coaches who walk beside people. They're not consultants. They literally are coaches to help people learn. And there's a huge difference, right? A consultant tells you what to do, and they provide all the answers. They write memos, they lead meetings for you. We don't do any of that. Adam: [00:04:03] This seems like a cornerstone of the Harwood Institute, right? That, that you're not imposing solutions on a community. Rich: [00:04:10] We believe that people have innate capacities. That we have the ability to create change ourselves and what Americans, and I think, in working around the world now, but what Americans want more than anything as a sense that they can shape their own futures, that they have a sense of control over their futures. That we have a sense of agency, we have the ability to do things not only alone, but to come together and do them together and be co-creators of our communities, partners and code builders in our communities. And so our philosophy and our practice is to honor that and to help people develop the capabilities to do that and the conditions within their communities. So these coaches if they were coaching you, or in the case of Jackson, the five teams that were coaching in Jackson, they walk beside folks and help them adopt and adapt our practice and make it their own. So people can call their own shots in their own communities. These aren't our communities. I don't live in Columbus where you are. I don't live in Jackson, Mississippi. These are their communities. And what we want to do is enable people in their own communities to shape their own futures in ways that make sense for themselves, their families, their neighbors, their fellow, community members. And and we've had great luck in doing that so far. Adam: [00:05:28] If you're listening to this podcast, you can go to the Harwood Institute.org, and there are stories on there of all these different places where you've gone in and, and facilitated that change. Typically, like what does that look like? Rich: [00:05:42] So in this case we were doing place-based work. Not all our work is this way, but in this case, in, in many communities, the three communities we're launching in Redding, Pennsylvania, Clarksville, Tennessee, and Lexington, Kentucky about educational equity issues. Those initiatives are going to be 18 months long. And so our coaches who walked beside people for 18 months in Clark County, Kentucky, which started as an 18 month initiative where I've seen the most rapid change of any place that I've worked in my over 30 years now of doing work, that then morphed into 24 months, that morphed into a few years. And we're still walking beside them in smaller and smaller ways. And they're doing actually as we pull back in this book on Unleashed that you mentioned when you started we went and looked at communities like Clark County and other communities that we've worked in over the last 30 years. And what we studied was not what happened when we were there. What I was most interested in is what happened in after the 18 months when we left. And what we saw Adam was that's when most of the change occurred. That's when things really got Unleashed. That's when things started to spread, we're living through this negative contagion of called COVID right now. Our working communities acts like a positive contagion. This practice that we teach people, this mindset that they adopt. It's built in such a way so that people share it with others. We want them to share it with others. It's not a closed system. It's an open system to be shared. And so in this book, Unleashed what we have are illustrations of how the works spread like a contagion through the community, into different places, into different networks. And that's where you begin to see real change start to take place. It's where you begin to see the change. Start to spread. It's where you begin to see the civic culture of the community start to transform. And so going back to Clark County, where we started with them when they were stuck during COVID two and a half, three years later, they brought together 60 representatives from different organizations, who two and a half years ago never would have worked together. Many of whom didn't know each other. Many of them, if they had been brought together would have been protecting their turf and fighting over resources. Now during COVID, they came together to make sure that there were mental health services that kids didn't fall through the cracks during distance, remote learning. That people that I know you deal with homelessness, that they could begin to address the systemic issues around homelessness and make sure people weren't going to get evicted from their homes or from their rental apartments. And so now they've created this collective response to COVID that two and a half years ago never would have happened. That all happened after we left. And that's the beauty of this work. Adam: [00:08:35] I love that. Now, when this work starts, like how many people really need to come together to kick this off the ground? Rich: [00:08:43] Yeah, that's a really great question. I used to think you know, as much younger and we were doing this work, I used to think it was hundreds of people. And in fact, in some communities, we did bring hundreds of people together to take them through our lab and everything. And then I thought it was 125 people. And then I thought it was, and in some communities, depending on the size, it's like a hundred people. In Jackson, Mississippi. We just brought together. As I mentioned, about 50 people in these three educational equity communities that we're launching that I mentioned initially, I think it's going to be 25 people. And what we've learned, essentially the lesson here is that small groups of people. If they come together and can adopt a different mindset and can start to use different practices and how they're going to engage people in these conversations you mentioned, and also spark change beyond the conversations that small groups of people can catalyze that. And as they catalyze that they can begin to spread these ideas and practices to others. And ultimately over time, you have hundreds of people in a community doing this, but it doesn't have to start with hundreds of people. That's the beauty of it. And and that's actually the power of it. And I think last thing I'll say about this is, I discovered this in our work over time, but if you read about how ideas have spread throughout civilization, if you read about how religion has spread, if you read about how the American revolution started. If you read about how the civil rights movement started, it always started with small groups of people that ultimately spread out over time and enlisted more and more allies as they were going. And our work is no different. Adam: [00:10:27] And it seems like they need to have something very clear that they can share in order to bring more people into that. And keep that effect growing and multiplying. Rich: [00:10:36] I think what they have to have is an ability to first understand what really matters to people and an ability to understand that everyone, regardless of their station, life is trying to create a better life for themselves and for others. And so the work is not rooted in simply articulating the problems in society. Although we need to recognize what those are, the reality that we live in. It's articulating a possibility for the future that's actionable, doable, and achievable. And engaging people in that work and enabling people to be co-creators of that work and sharing the stories of that work over time. I think if you look at all chains, they always seem to have those ingredients. And this is where I get off the boat with some folks in this work, because some folks believe that, if we simply get together and talk enough, we'll be able to solve our problems. And I happen not to ascribe to that point of view. I actually think that we do need to articulate what we share in common, because we need to work on things that we share in common in order to com…

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    3 Tree Shares Easy Habits to Save the Planet Apr 10, 2021
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    3 Tree

    Kaiti Burkhammer from 3 Tree joined the podcast today to share the story of how they are helping people create sustainable habits that save the planet and help the environment.

    A new company started during the GiveBackHack Global event last fall, they shared their strategy for developing a product that will help individuals create environmentally friendly habits. They started by getting feedback from friends and family and then reached out to the local changemaker community to understand what drives people to adopt new sustainable habits.

    They shared how they learned that the younger respondents often had concerns about not being able to make any significant impact, where older respondents were more price sensitive. They tested different ways of encouraging these habits and discovered how powerful and important an element of community and sharing your progress with others can be in creating a ripple effect.

    Kaiti Burkhammer shared her own initiatives, and how she recently took up composting, through a local company the Compost Exchange that picks up compost so you can reduce what you put in the landfill. Kaiti also shared some of her favorite local companies – Reuse Revolution and Koko the Shop. 3 Tree believes in sharing and uplifting local companies doing good to help spread their awareness and the impact that buying local can make.

    Kaiti shared that 3 Tree is holding their first annual CBUS Clean Crawl on Saturday, April 24th at 11 am, in celebration of Earth Day. Find out more on their website, Instagram or Facebook.

    3 Tree

    GoodFind’s Nohelia Rambal Talks About the Ripple Effect of Small Commitments Apr 02, 2021
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    GoodFind Nohelia Rambal

    Nohelia Rambal spoke on her experience of quitting a corporate job to become a marketing consultant for impact organizations. She now runs the social enterprise GoodFind, a directory of sustainable brands that helps consumers easily find an ethical alternative to everything. Ideally, the directory was created so that anyone could find an alternative for anything. Items in the directory range from clothing, home goods, sports, health, and more.

    Before she dove deep into the social enterprise space, Nohelia completed volunteer work, and a few gigs, for companies dealing with social impact. Once she finally decided to start consultant work, she felt the first action she needed to take was to put up a website and casually shared her content with friends and family. Surprisingly, she shared that she didn’t imagine the site would grow into business. Doing work through volunteering and gigs led to her work being more recognizable in the space.

    Beyond building her portfolio, Nohelia shared how social content boosted her business amidst the pandemic. She explained what happened with her business, social content, and the Black Lives Matter movement that opened a new gate in the way she supports social impact causes. Reflecting this, the GoodFind directory had filters that help consumers see who they are supporting. Learning if a brand is minority-owned or focuses on plastic reduction became easier with GoodFind.

    Nohelia took time to explain why making things easier for consumers is important for any social enterprise. Originally, larger companies with larger budgets can afford to spend more on marketing and technology that create tighter funnels for their consumers. She expressed how this poses a problem for companies focused more on impact that can get lost in algorithms. Nohelia gives examples of different consumers engaging with sustainability based on her own interactions. Ultimately, Nohelia believes that a sustainable life starts from small commitments: “… we believe ‘one thing, one swap’ is enough, and surely enough, you will come back for more.”

    Talking about friends and small commitments led our conversation to discuss the “ripple effect”. Everyday conversations with peers in our circle hold influence. Nohelia explained how our behaviors can be contagious. Minimal steps we take to find alternatives or recommend a new brand to friends build up the new trends normalized in society, and allow social impact companies to create more positive impact.

    People may not realize how much influence accepted ideas have in the way the world operates. Nohelia Rambal expressed her thoughts on how society created and accepted the idea of “waste” and the world’s view of consumption. People developed habits of fast consumption and cheaper methods of production, but the beauty of quality production can be appreciated through more mindful purchasing. Thinking alongside how people habits are related to the world’s view, we briefly spoke about messaging used by brands, and why it knowing how the economy works can help us make different choices. GoodFind’s directory can be used to be one swap closer to a sustainable lifestyle.

    If you would like to learn more, you can visit goodfind.io, or connect on Instagram, Twitter, or Facebook.

    Good Find

    Sheila Fuentes from SI’LO Shares Why Social Enterprise Issues Are Best Handled as One Problem at a Time Mar 26, 2021
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    Sheila Fuentes spoke on the mindset lessons she learned while building her sustainable retail brand, SI’LO. Sheila is based in the Philippines, and pivoted her career from banking with an economics background to the fashion industry. One of the leading concerns for SI’LO is sustainability, but Sheila also mentioned the issue of unethical labors. Adopting new mindsets would help her in situations like the pandemic, when the business model needed to be revised.

    Overthinking a problem can lead to overcomplicated solutions. Sustainable fashion contains a lot of moving parts, such as supply chain partners, which leads to unexpected problems scattering an entrepreneur’s attention. Shiela expressed her approach as specifying the problem and having clarity of the main goal. She explained that it’s okay to start without having a perfect process set in place. Attention should be placed on finding a clear goal for a set issue. Sheila gave it a simple order:

    “One problem to solve, and then clarity of your vision.”

    One common issue for social entrepreneurs comes from initiatives that work directly with communities. Connecting with people that are participants or receivers in an issue supported by the initiative is essential, but a system for these interactions can get lost. Sheila spoke from the perspective of what she observes happening between communities and social entrepreneurs in the Philippines. She shared an example of what it means to build a better relationship and build rapport with a community.

    Shiela then goes into her own personal stories of building her mindset and the confidence of her journey. Three years were spent being afraid of what would happen if she quit her full-time job. She transparently shared her thoughts around balancing her full-time job and the business in the beginning. Until one day, she bluntly realized her business was not progressing, and finally said “I need to challenge myself, and go out of this comfort zone”. Sheila goes on to discuss the relationship between decisions and circumstances in overcoming what entrepreneurs may think is holding them back.

    Before wrapping up, Sheila directed the conversation further into the topic of mindset. She has a business coach and has experience as a business coach, but she warns that the real block to mindset is ourself. Once moving past self-sabotage, entrepreneurs can grab hold of concepts such as a growth mindset, “selling is serving”, and self-awareness. Having a new mindset around the business opens the door to new approaches. Sheila then explained how these new mindsets start with first assessing your mind, and getting to know what narratives are stored in the subconscious mind.

    We finished up with how attached people are to being “validated”. We managed to put a positive spin on the topic by speaking about switching “validation” into acknowledging others for their work. We can really help inspire other people simply by noticing what they’re accomplishing in a genuine way. Acknowledging each other helps lift up the world around us.

    If you would like to earn more, you can connect with Sheila over Instagram.


    Cameron Cooper is Stopping Plastic Waste at the Source with Circular Economy and Cooper’s Refillery Mar 19, 2021
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    Coopers Refillery

    Cameron Cooper talks about her sustainability work through Cooper’s Refillery. Society has tried numerous ways to reduce plastic use and promote recycling, but the amount of waste is still largely unaccounted for. Cooper’s Refillery is working to reduce plastic waste by focusing on the circular economy of plastics and rethinking sustainable production and consumption. In their work, the initiative is developing refill stations for reductions of single use plastics to redirect the future of our environment.

    Experience as a field researcher for marine mammal conservation led to Cooper Refillery being created. During her time in field research, Cameron could see how even a limited amount of human interaction could alter the wild homes of marine mammals. Reducing plastic became the automatic driver of the initiative. Cameron gave a detailed explanation of the plastic issue in our environment, businesses, and community. Cameron summed up how this impacted the initiative:

    “We decided that instead of trying to manage the plastic waste, we wanted to stop it at the source.”

    Cooper’s Refillery aims to change the perception of plastic’s value. The main point of the initiative is to positively impact the environment, but Cooper has an interesting take on plastic’s value. She explained that plastic is seen as disposal in a linear economy where the products are produced and trashed. The common thought is that “Plastic is cheap, and made to be used once.” Copper’s Refillery is placing more value into plastics by bringing the products back into the economy and encouraging the standard of using plastic more than once. Convincingly, that’s a great point when you realize plastic bottles can last for more than four centuries.

    After she gave context around the plastic concerns, Cameron began to explain circular economy; starting with the three principles of the circular economy. She goes on to discuss why this approach to plastic waste is related to both economists and environmentalists. Cameron spoke on how the circular economy approach shifts the focus of business and explained Cooper Refillery’s strategy to measure the actual impact in a way that can be presented.

    Cameron gave a ton of value as we wrapped up the conversation. We talked about Cooper’s Refillery being in the user testing stage, and Cameron listed the prep that came before this point. A lot of this preparation is built with reading, researching, personal accounts, ambitions, and financial planning. She emphasized that financial planning is one aspect most people starting social enterprises overlook. While that preparation helps, Cameron also gave tips of building relationships with communities and mentors.

    Cooper’s Refillery is currently based in the Netherlands with hopes to expand throughout Europe and the US soon. Cameron expressed his hopes for the future plans of the initiative. Both the long-term and short-term goals give more clarity on building impact.

    “I think short-term goals are equally as important as long-term goals to keep yourself on track, and really building towards something.”

    –Cameron Cooper

    If you would like to learn more, you can explore their website, or connect with them on instagram and linked-in.

    Coopers Refillery

    Prowess Project’s Ashley Connell Shares The Three Key Relationships For Women Professionals Reentering the Workforce Mar 11, 2021
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    Prowess Project

    Ashley Connell reveals how reentering the workforce can be better understood with her work from The Prowess Project. Women looking to get back into the workforce can engage with this initiative that acts as an employment agency. While with the agency, women can also build relationships, and learn skill development in EQ to mesh the right opportunities for better employment.

    Among women who take two to three years off to raise children, 43% of those women will lose 37% of her compensation power for the remainder of her professional career. Ashley, who was wondering about having a family one day, explained how shocked she was at this statistic as she did research on what the future might hold. In talking to professional women that were living examples of this statistic Ashley found patterns to the workforce reentry barriers for women. She shared the number one barrier of reentry for women, and continued on how curious conversations led to the initiative looking at parts of the hiring process from a more inclusive lens.

    Contrary to common thinking, hiring managers care less about the hard skills on a resume than the soft skills that are more nuanced. Ashley explained how looking through thousands of resumes listing hard skills and experience doesn’t translate to how a possible employee would fit culture-wise. Behavior and emotional intelligence are two indicators for the fit of an employee to a company. Ashley shared the observations backing the need for emotional intelligence, empathy, and understanding the needs from both sides of the employee-employer relationship.

    Alongside the employee-employer relationship, Ashley emphasized the impacts of peer support. The Prowess Project incorporates organic relationship building between the women engaged with the initiative. Providing a space to connect allows women to bounce ideas off each other, learn what different versions of success look like, and even give them a chance to bond over hobbies. Ashley shared how it’s not unusual that they’ll see groups where one woman might want a 10hr work-week, while another wants to go into full-time.

    “It’s all these different ways that these women can choose their own adventure when it comes to getting back in.”

    — Ashley Connell

    For women in the workforce, especially relating to leadership, there are three key relationships of support. Ashley expressed that you need three different types of people in order to be “successful”: your manager, your mentor, and a sponsor. She went further on explaining what each role brings to an individual, and clarifying that the relationships go two-ways. She shared her own story of realizing she was bringing value to her mentor, despite feeling nervous about how she was perceived. Through relationships and community initiatives can really take shape. Ashley gave examples from her own journey, including the community support that helped fuel and pivot her business.

    Ashley talked more about the resources available to women through the initiative and invites people who support women professionals to participate in conversations.

    If you would like to learn more, you can visit them on their Website, Linked In, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, or YouTube.

    Prowess Project

    Maxime Dücker’s Our Good Brands Connecting You with Impact Mar 05, 2021
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    Our Good Brands

    When Maxime Dücker arrived in Melbourne, Australia, she found inspiration in the thriving world of social & eco-focused enterprises seeking to change the world. So, she set out to wield her marketing and branding expertise to create change and launched Our Good Brands as an entertainment hub for brands and worldwide consumers to make better decisions.

    Our Good Brands

    With topics around sustainability, ethical living, ethical consumption, and eco-friendly trends – Our Good Brands is a platform that raises awareness and shares stories of many amazing brands and the people behind them. With so much news focused on the negative, Maxime took the approach of providing uplifting habits and insights into how we can incorporate sustainability into our everyday lives, keeping in mind that we all live busy lives.

    To be honest, I used to be slightly skeptical about the impact a single individual can make. The effect from a single individual appears insignificant against the sheer volume of people and the magnitude of damage caused through massive consumption.

    But Maxime shared her own experience on how people genuinely want to leave the world a better place, and how the conversation changed from being non-existent when she started to be commonplace today. She ran an eco-friendly air-BnB, complete with information about what she was doing. The biggest surprise was how often people would share all the things they were doing in their life to make an impact. And they would be excited to learn what else they can do.

    As you grow, you incorporate uplifting practices into your own life – others see this, and get inspired. So, as you work on yourself, you connect with communities that are doing this same work, and together you lift each other up – this change that you’re doing ripples out and touches many others, and it magnifies to the point that significant change occurs.

    And this change can start small. (And even better when it does, because small changes that are easy to make part of your life will pave the way for further, more impactful changes. You climb a mountain one step at a time.)

    Maxime points out that it makes such clear sense to solve social and environmental problems by using the mechanism of business because a solid business can not only magnify the impact but displace other business which is causing harm… and in the process give consumers an easy means to create change by choosing where they spend their dollars.

    Not sure where to start? Listen to the podcast, packed full with great insight. Check out Our Good Brands and the eco-guides, or follow them on Facebook, Instagram, Twitter or YouTube. Need even more help with branding your social enterprise? Reach out to Maxime through her branding agency Four PPineapples.

    Our Good Brands

    Dalia Kamar’s Global Interactions Bring Perspective for Developing a Purpose-Driven Enterprise Community in the Middle East Feb 18, 2021
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    Dalia Kamar

    Dalia Kamar established her work in Egypt as she develops entrepreneurs to maneuver barriers. No matter if the barrier is geographic or linguistic, Dalia worked to empower entrepreneurs of the Middle East to flourish in their own communities. She is not opposed to global interactions and details her own global experience. Being open to finding serendipitous opportunities helped Dalia connect with diverse entrepreneurs.

    She started off with her experience attending an American University in Cairo, Egypt. At this place she involved herself head first into engaging the rising trend entrepreneurs during that time. Eventually, Dalia found herself interning with RiseUp, which led to larger roles in different initiatives. Throughout her early work, Dalia focused on helping the initiative’s gain exposure and bringing resources to accelerate growth.

    Beyond growth, Dalia noticed the absence of the Arab voice in the entrepreneurship discussion of a region that is predominantly Arab. She commented on the lack of content on business topics, such as funding, provided in the Arabic language. Working around this particular barrier exposed the limits and gaps of content delivery not catering to the region. Dalia shared her thoughts on an important result of connecting people, especially role models and mentors, in the region: “…being part of a community that’s trying to accomplish the same thing and being able to get feedback in ways that you really relate to.”

    Dalia spoke about her involvement with Rustic Pathways during an immersive summit geared towards youth. She explained that the summit gives an atmosphere of learning, messing up, and learning from your mess-ups. She shared her surprise at being invited; she attended the summit years ago as a participant. Dalia reflects on the lessons of creativity, developing ideas, and how we gain from every interaction in our life.

    Turning to entrepreneur trends, Dalia emphasized the process of tangible, measurable, and actionable impact. She expressed her thoughts of being able to manage that impact while scaling the business. Trends can create guidance, but knowing how to apply what you need to yourself is powerful. Learning to adapt is even more powerful. Dalia explained the lesson in being agile:

    “I think your constant state of being should be just being agile and adaptable, because I think if you’re too set in your ways, not even in a business setting, just in a life setting, if you were too set in your ways, and you’re not really able to absorb the changes around you, then you’ll be a really unhappy person.”

    Dali is trying new things herself as she works with Equitie, an advisory and an investment firm. The initiative guides strategic decision-making, including product market fit, financial modeling, and raising finance for the companies around the Middle East. Equitie has a global network of investors for their diverse entrepreneurs to unlock market opportunities. Dalia explained details related to funding in capital from her experiences in the entrepreneur space considering the strategy and structures working today.

    If you would like to learn more, you can visit FOUNDERSMEDIA, Instagram, Twitter, or LinkedIn.

    Dalia Kamar

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