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    Outrage + Optimism

    Outrage + Optimism is for anyone who is not ready to give up on making the world a better place. For unrivalled conversations with decision makers, visionary thinkers and a community of like-minded climate optimists, join former UN climate chief Christiana Figueres, political strategist Tom Rivett-Carnac and sustainable business consultant Paul Dickinson. Each week they make sense of all the top climate news stories, go behind the scenes at crucial talks and ensure you stay informed and inspired ahead of what is set to be the consequential year for climate action.

    As move through this decisive decade, subscribe to Outrage + Optimism

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    This is a Persephonica production for Global Optimism and is part of the Acast Creator Network. 


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    188. The Path to Sustainability is Equity Feb 23, 2023
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

    In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Paul Dickinson interview climate leaders Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of global issues think tank the Club of Rome (the Club), and Johan Rockström, Joint Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research (Potsdam).

    Our esteemed guests discuss the 50th anniversary of the Club’s groundbreaking report on the implications of continued worldwide expansion, “Limits to Growth” (Limits), and their recently published collaborative report “Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity (Earth For All).”

    Serving as both a sort of update to “Limits,” and a new solutions manual, “Earth For All” goes deep into the interrelationships between global stress points, the consequential scenarios that could lay ahead of us, and the policy recommendations we need to save our future.

    It’s a fascinating conversation that covers planetary boundary science, dynamic systems modeling, the social tension index, and whether we can reach aspirational and equitable goals for humanity within our environmental boundaries. Importantly, we explore whether a planetary solution is possible without addressing systemic inequity.

    Of course, be sure to stick around for music this week from brand new father/son duo Emrys + Clay.

    Don’t miss a minute of this compelling episode!

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

    To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.

    Sandrine Dixson-Declève, Co-President of the Club of Rome

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    Explore The Club of Rome and the original landmark report (including a free download), “Limits to Growth.” An updated version is available here.

    Johan Rockström, Director of the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research

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    Listen to a previous episode featuring Rockström about the race to zero.

    Learn about the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research

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    Read more or get your own copy of “Earth for All: A Survival Guide for Humanity.”

    MUSIC

    Emrys + Clay

    You can find more of Clay and Emrys on Clay’s Patreon.

    Clay has played in bands before. They are:

    Claslan | Flint Eastwood

    Clay Carnill

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    Weekend Rewind: Our Conversation with Nicola Sturgeon Feb 19, 2023
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    This week in a surprise move, the First Minister of Scotland, Nicola Sturgeon, announced her resignation. So in light of this profoundly ego-less moment of leadership, we revisit a stirring conversation we had with her in 2021 when we visited the First Minister at her residence in Edinburgh during the TED Countdown Conference.

    Our conversation surrounded this new vision she had brought forth into the world for small countries collaborating on climate action, detailed in the instantly-popular TED Talk she had just delivered earlier that day (immediately followed by a standing ovation). Tom said, “it was one of the best I’ve ever seen.”

    This interview is part of a longer episode we published in 2021 titled, ‘Small Countries, Big Vision with Nicola Sturgeon’. You can listen to that full episode and more by visiting the Outrage + Optimism website or by finding us wherever you get your podcasts.

    Enjoy the Rewind.

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    NOTES AND RESOURCES

    Nicola Sturgeon | First Minister of Scotland

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    Watch Nicola Sturgeon’s TED Talk referenced in the episode, followed by a short Q+A.

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    187. THIS is the Rainy Day Feb 16, 2023
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

    In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss the monstrous profits made by Big Oil last year, how at least one fossil fuel firm plans to invest its gains, and what it all means for the climate agenda going forward. They also speak to Avinash Persaud (Avi), Special Envoy to the Prime Minister of Barbados on Investment and Financial Services and creator of the 2022 Bridgetown Initiative, and we have music from gifted musician Scotty Grand.

    The team opens with the astounding report that BP, Chevron, Equinor, ExxonMobil, Shell, and TotalEnergies together made more than $200 billion in profits in 2022. What’s even more shocking? BP followed with an announcement that in the interests of “energy security,” it’s scaling back its 2030 emissions reductions targets from 40% to 25%. Let’s just say the trio doesn’t mince words in response. Outrage indeed!

    Next, Avi Persaud outlines his work on the 2022 Bridgetown Initiative with Prime Minister of Barbados, Mia Mottley. While climate change impacts us all, it does so unevenly. Those who suffer disproportionately have the narrowest access to capital support. Can our current economic system address this problem? Persaud leads a fascinating discussion on the power of global financeーwhen deployed creativelyーto drive extraordinary changemaking. Find out how callable capital, international reserve currency, and other key levers could meet the significant systemic challenges in front of us today.

    Finally, we have music from the one and only Scotty Grand. He’s served as Creative Director, Keyboardist, and MC for Grammy-nominated artists Jordin Sparks, the Jonas Brothers, and fellow pianist Alicia Keys, among many other A-listers. He’s also the great-nephew of legendary gospel singer Mahalia Jacksonーand Christiana’s neighbor!

    You won’t want to miss a minute of this substantive and thrilling episode!

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

    To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.

    Avinash Persaud, Special Envoy to the Prime Minister of Barbados on Investment and Financial Services

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    Learn more about the Bridgetown Initiative.

    Scotty Grand

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    Watch Scotty Grand’s inspiring video for “Change Everything.”

    Also, be sure to give a listen to ‘All I Know’ and ‘Alchemy’

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    186. The Breakthrough Effect Feb 09, 2023
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

    In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson discuss US President Joe Biden’s State of the Union address, a possible green race to the top across the G7 nations, and how to identify positive economic tipping points with Kelly Levin, Co-Director of the Systems Change Lab and Chief of Science, Data and Systems Change for the Bezos Earth Fund, which provides grants to support the climate and nature.

    The team agrees that United States politics, as witnessed through the lens of the annual State of the Union speech, seems like a slugfest, with jabs from both sides but no winner. Still, they admire Biden’s multiple references to climate change as a global security issue affecting vulnerable people一rather than more political drama. Also worth discussing: Could Biden have a chance at winning reelection in 2024? The trio weighs in.

    Next, Kelly Levin discusses the Breakthrough Effect, a groundbreaking report on how to trigger a cascade of tipping points to accelerate the net zero transition. She outlines the three super leverage points that could prompt the “tipping of the tipping points” to bring about planet-saving climate action. Electric vehicles (EVs), green ammonia, and alternative proteins play a role.

    The co-hosts contend this is a welcome concept一that if we can trigger the right leverage points, we can cause a global cascade of positive climate change. From there, we can go from a linear to exponential transformation. It’s almost a relief to think it’s possible, especially in the face of grinding, slow change that seemingly won’t be fast enough to save the planet. You won’t want to miss this fascinating conversation!

    Finally, alt-pop singer-songwriter Panteon closes the episode with the beautiful acoustic track “Archipelago.”

    See you next week!

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

    To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.

    Kelly Levin, Co-Director Systems Change Lab

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    Bezos Earth Fund

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    Find out more about The Breakthrough Effect report

    Explore more about the Systems Change Lab

    To find out more about the Climate Party, visit their website. Or contact them on: info@theclimate.party Instagram | Twitter | Facebook

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    Panteon

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    Check out Panteon’s new single - ‘Anyone Someone’

    Yvonne from Panteon is in Encanto!

    We were a finalist for the AICA Award (International Association for Environmental Communication)! Check out the work they are doing here on their website.

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    185. Welcome to 2023 Feb 02, 2023
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    Happy New Year!

    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

    After a well-spent hiatus, the team returns with the first episode of what we hope to be an amazing year documenting climate progress! We know from previous years that many people discover the podcast over our break, so If you're a new listener, we're thrilled you’re here!

    In today’s episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson catch up on what’s been happening in climate over the last few weeksーand what’s to come in 2023.

    First up, the team chats about their break and the importance of taking time to reflect and cultivate equanimity, self-care, and inner strength. And speaking of inner strength, what about the brave decision of New Zealand’s Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern, to leave office after five remarkable years? Our co-hosts weigh in with some thought-provoking insights.

    There’s talk of Dr. Sultan Al Jaber, the controversial pick to be the president of COP28—this year’s UN climate conference, which is set to be held in Dubai. Al Jaber is the Minister for Industry and Advanced Technology and Managing Director and Group CEO of the Abu Dhabi National Oil Company (ADNOC). Check out Christiana’s Op-Ed on Al Jaber in The New Statesman.

    This year will also mark the first global stocktake (GST), the process designed to assess the world’s progress toward achieving the purpose behind the landmark Paris Agreement.

    Oh, and Paul’s “friend” wrote a poem about Christianaーyou’ll have to listen to find out what rhymes with “emissions.”

    Finally, we leave you this week with the beautifully haunting track “Oh Mother” from Sive.

    Bye for now!

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

    To learn more about our planet’s climate emergency and how you can transform outrage into optimistic action subscribe to the podcast here.

    Tom recommends Stolen Focus by Johann Hari.

    Learn more about ChatGPT.

    Read Christiana’s Op-Ed about Dr. Sultan Al Japer in The New Statesman.

    Learn more about COP28.

    MUSIC

    Sive

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    Check out Sive’s album ‘We Begin In Darkness’

    Check out our sister-podcast, ‘The Way Out Is In’

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    184. Last Episode of 2022: Strong Back, Soft Front Dec 15, 2022
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

    In the final episode of 2022, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson look back at what transpired this year, what went well, what didn't, and what to expect in 2023. Plus, they have a conversation with spiritual leader Roshi Joan Halifax and highlight music from Windser.

    Reflecting on the Russian invasion of Ukraine, the team addresses the profound tragedy of the war but also how it proved to be a watershed moment for exposing the vulnerability of fossil fuel markets. It appears the weaponization of energy has driven the world closer toward decarbonization.

    While 2022 was undoubtedly marked by tragedy, there was some good news, including three landmark legislative wins from the United States that contain meaningful provisions to address climate change. They also hailed the recent announcement from the U.S. Department of Energy about an unexpected breakthrough: Scientists at the National Ignition Facility (NIF) in California for the first time successfully generated more energy from a fusion reaction than what was required to produce it. And in another positive note, biodiversity is also getting a much-needed boost from the 15th Conference of the Parties (COP15) to the United Nations Convention on Biological Diversity (CBD).

    Next, guest Roshi Joan Halifax provides a nourishing dose of inspiration with her thoughts on her lifelong spiritual journey, social and environmental engagement, and cultivating resilience in the face of increased uncertainty.

    It’s the type of motivational close to the year we needed. As we all take stock, we’re reminded that we couldn’t do this without your support, and we thank you from the depths of our hearts for joining us on this journey to better understand our ability to come together to affect transformation in the world.

    Also, we wish environmental activist, Buddhist scholar, and dear friend Joanna Macy, a swift recovery as she recuperates from pneumonia in the hospital. You can find more about Macy and her work in the show notes below.

    Finally, we’ll leave you with the dazzling sounds of California singer/songwriter Windser.

    Have a wonderful holiday season, and we’ll see you in January 2023.

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

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    Roshi Joan Halifax

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    Upaya Institute and Zen Center

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    Here’s more on the Inflation Reduction Act 2022, the 2022 Budget Resolution And Reconciliation: How We Will Build Back Better, and the CHIPS Act of 2022.

    Read more about the United Nations Biodiversity Conference (COP15).

    Find out more about fusion energy from the National Ignition Facility (NIF).

    Listen to environmental activist, Buddhist scholar, and deep ecologist Joanna Macy on Outrage! + Optimism. Explore her celebrated book Active Hope.

    MUSIC

    Windser

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    Watch the video for “Drift Away”

    Stream the new EP - “Where The Redwoods Meet The Sea”

    Watch Windser perform with Macklemore on Jimmy Kimmel Live!

    Also - Check out Windser’s AudioTree Live Session

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    183. And Then a HERO Comes Along Dec 13, 2022
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue about building a sustainable future.

    Who are our heroes? How do we select them? In addition to parents, families, partners, friends, comic book characters, or others on your list, you might want to add today’s guests. In this episode, co-host Christiana Figueres speaks with climate activists Mauricio Porras and Anuna De Wever about HERO一a climate tech startup on a mission to empower people to accelerate change in the world.

    Co-founder Porras and advisory board member De Wever share the inspiring story behind this extraordinary organization and platform一which enables subscribers to provide critical financial support to those on the frontlines of climate action. Links on how to subscribe are below!

    As climate activists, they are all too familiar with how draining such work can be. Most activists, in fact, must hold down other jobs to support themselves. This often becomes exhausting, and untenable一which can negatively impact the campaign’s momentum.

    Find out how HERO creatively addresses this very real need for financial support while sharing highlights of activist journeys and connecting climate “mobilizers” (their term) with broader communities worldwide. It’s an uplifting conversation that touches on tech, finance, innovation, communication, climate, and some of the true heroes of the climate movement.

    You won’t want to miss it! As the holiday season approaches please consider supporting the activist community by subscribing to a policy circle of your choice.

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

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    HERO

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    Mauricio Porras

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    Anuna De Wever

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    182. COP15: Nothing Without Nature! Dec 08, 2022
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.

    In this jam-packed episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres, Tom Rivett-Carnac, and Paul Dickinson catch up on news from the Earthshot Prize awards ceremony in Boston, the United Nations Biodiversity Conference (COP 15) in Montréal, insights from Conservation International’s Dr. M. Sanjayan, and music from Boyish.

    Christiana opens by recounting her time at the award ceremony for the Earthshot Prize一the world’s most prestigious environmental award. Highlights include the “green carpet” with such A-listers as Prince William, Billie Eilish, Annie Lennox, and David Beckham, among others, £5 million in prizes, and the extraordinary winners themselves. Christiana was actually brought to tears.

    The team also previews the UN Biodiversity Conference COP15, which started Dec. 7. Conference dynamics are bound to be interesting since it’s being chaired by the Chinese delegation (a holdover from the cancellation of the in-person conference in 2020) but hosted by the Canadians in Montréal. Listen for all the details on “30 by 30,” the significance of biodiversity for global GDP, and more.

    Later, Conservation International CEO Dr. M Sanjayan shares his thoughts on the connection between climate and nature, why the nature agenda is一counterintuitively一running behind the climate agenda, and the forthcoming nature economy.

    We close the episode with music from the indie duo, Boyish. They’ve amassed more than 15 million streams across their catalog, received praise from publications including Billboard, Paper, Office Magazine, and Pigeons and Planes, and were the recipient of the 2021 LGBTQ+ Emerging Artist Award.

    Enjoy their beautifully evocative track, “mom i think i'm gay”

    Listeners, this is your last chance to complete our listener survey. Your feedback is important to us, and we’re deeply grateful for your ongoing support. Thank you!

    Bye for now!

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

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    Catch up with The Earthshot Prize 2022

    Learn more about the UN Biodiversity Conference: COP15 in Montréal

    Check out our sister-podcast, ‘The Way Out Is In’

    Sanjayan, Ph.D.

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    Boyish Music Videos - Smithereens | Legs | Congratulations | Superstar

    BEL - Paul BigDawg (with Boyish)

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    181. A U.S. Special: Making The Irresistible Irreversible! Dec 01, 2022
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    Welcome to another episode of Outrage + Optimism, where we examine issues at the forefront of the climate crisis, interview change-makers, and transform our anger into productive dialogue on building a sustainable future.

    In this episode, co-hosts Christiana Figueres and Tom Rivett-Carnac go deep into U.S. domestic energy policy with guests U.S. Secretary of Energy Jennifer M. Granholm and White House Deputy National Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi.

    First up, the critical topic of energy justice: Granholm updates the team on the Justice40 Initiative, in which an unprecedented 40 percent of federal energy investments are earmarked for disadvantaged and historically underserved communities that are overburdened by pollution. The plans, which seek to reckon with deep-seated inequities, are ambitious, exciting, and groundbreaking.

    Speaking of action, Tom and Christiana’s next guest is optimist and White House Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi. He contends the U.S. is on a positive linear trajectory and accelerating exponentiallyーnot just in clean energy or emissions reduction but in terms of the political economy backing these actions. Get the scoop on how federal agencies and departments are pushing forward together.

    We finish the episode with the beautiful track “Until the Day” by Los Angeles-based singer-songwriter BEL. Additional details are included in the show notes below.

    You won’t want to miss a second of this electrifying episode!

    Listeners, please take a minute to complete our listener survey. Your feedback is important to us, and we’re deeply grateful for your ongoing support. Thank you!

    NOTES AND RESOURCES

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    Please complete our listener survey here

    Jennifer M. Granholm, Secretary U.S. Department of Energy.

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    Find out more about the Justice40 Initiative

    Ali Zaidi, White House Deputy National Climate Advisor

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    Learn about the National Climate Task Force

    Here’s more on the Inflation Reduction Act 2022 and the 2022 Budget Resolution And Reconciliation: How We Will Build Back Better legislation

    It’s official, we’re a TED Audio Collective Podcast - Proof!

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    180. TED Countdown Dilemma Series: Is There a Role for Carbon Credits in the Transition to a Fair, Net-Zero Future? Nov 29, 2022
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    Today, a special TED Countdown conversation for you!

    In June 2022, TED’s climate initiative, Countdown, launched its Dilemma Series: events designed to look at some of the “knots” in the climate change space, where diverging positions have stalled progress and solidified into an inability to collaborate across differences.

    What we offer today is one of the conversations recorded as part of that event between Outrage + Optimism host Tom Rivett-Carnac, and academic, writer, and author Professor James Dyke.

    The event focused on the question: Is there a role for carbon credits in the transition to a fair, net-zero future? We hope that Tom and James' ‘agreeable disagreement’ on this often divisive issue will be taken as an invitation to listen deeply, keep an open mind and get a little wiser on a complex topic.

    Please follow the links below to view the fantastic film produced by the TED Countdown team, and gain a greater insight and understanding on the topic of carbon credits but also the process of holding space for such conversations to take place. Carbon credits is a contentious subject that prompted some discomfort, disagreement and, ultimately, a renewed sense of possibility. Enjoy

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