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    On the Verge

    A podcast about solving the security risks of the 21st century, produced by the Council on Strategic Risks.

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    On the Verge – Criteria for Weapons of Mass Effect (011) Jun 14, 2021
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    In this episode, Dr. Natasha Bajema, Director of the Converging Risks Lab, hosts a follow-on discussion with Colonel (ret) Ron Fizer and the Honorable Andy Weber about the criteria for determining what belongs to the category of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) or weapons of mass effects. Ron Fizer is a retired U.S. Army Colonel and fellow at LMI. He served in the force for 30 years in various command, staff and leadership positions across the Army, Joint Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Andy Weber is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Strategic Risks. He is the former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Defense programs and has spent decades working to reduce the risk of WMD. For further reading, please check out a three-part briefer written by Dr. Bajema exploring whether we should move beyond the WMD paradigm: BRIEFER: Beyond Weapons of Mass Destruction: Time for a New Paradigm? BRIEFER – Definitions Matter: The Role of WMD in Shaping U.S. National Security Strategy BRIEFER: Weapons of Mass Agility: A New Threat Framework for Mass Effects in the 21st Century


    On the Verge – Climate Security with US Navy Captain (Ret) Steve Brock (010) Jun 08, 2021
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    In this episode, Evan Barnard, Research Fellow at the Center for Climate and Security, hosts a discussion with Captain Steve Brock, US Navy (Ret), about the International Military Council on Climate and Security’s (IMCCS) 2021 World Climate and Security Report and how climate change will affect military operations and national security worldwide. Steve Brock is a retired U.S. Navy Captain and Senior Advisor with the Council on Strategic Risks and the Center for Climate and Security. He served in the office of the U.S. Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, at the White House Council on Environmental Quality, at the US Mission to the United Nations, and at the National Security Council. For further reading, please check out the 2020 and 2021 World Climate and Security Reports by the IMCCS Expert Group exploring compound security threats posed by the convergence of climate change with other global risks: IMCCS World Climate and Security Report 2021 IMCCS World Climate and Security Report 2020


    On the Verge – Climate Security with Rachel Fleishman (009) May 24, 2021
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    By Evan Barnard 2021 is a critical year for multilateral climate security dialogue, with climate change as a prominent topic at high-level fora including the Munich Security Conference and the United Nations Security Council. Security leaders from the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) will participate in the upcoming IISS Shangri-La Dialogue and the ASEAN Defense Ministers Meeting in June. The Shangri-La Dialogue will include a session on the defense implications of environmental and human security. Today, we are sharing the first in a series of interviews related to the recent Asia regional reports released by the International Military Council on Climate and Security (IMCCS). This particular interview examines the report Climate Security and the Strategic Energy Pathway in Southeast Asia. The report includes an overview of resource availability, conflict, and economic activity in Southeast Asia with expert advice for managing climate security in the region. On the eve of the U.S.-hosted Leaders Summit on Climate, I discussed climate security challenges and potential remedies for Southeast Asia with Rachel Fleishman. Ms. Fleishman is a senior fellow for Asia-Pacific at the Center for Climate and Security and Asia-Pacific liaison at IMCCS. She began her career in national security policy, working in nuclear arms control. At the Pentagon, Ms. Fleishman worked for the Deputy Under Secretary of Defense for Environmental Security, where she helped conceive and build the Pentagon’s international environmental security program in the 1990s when military and security issues began diversifying from nuclear proliferation. She currently advises businesses and non-profits on climate change and circular economy issues at Insight Sustainability. In our conversation, Ms. Fleishman recommends that militaries prepare for climate change by stress-testing and updating operational capabilities. She also suggests setting up ASEAN-level climate security watch centers to analyze and predict climate extremes and other environmental security trends. Joint military readiness in the region with local integration could help Southeast Asian countries prepare for climate security challenges and more effectively conduct humanitarian assistance and disaster response missions. As the effects of climate change become more pronounced in the region, these missions will comprise an increasing proportion of military operations. In Southeast Asia, China casts a long shadow over resource scarcity. In the South China Sea, China has adopted a philosophy claiming up to 90 percent of the Sea, with maritime territorial claims extending to subsea resources including oil and gas reserves and fisheries. As a result of China’s fierce defense of its claimed natural resources, Southeast Asian countries like Vietnam are meeting the Chinese in instances of armed confrontation. China also controls the headwaters of the Mekong River, which provides much of the freshwater for the Southeast Asia region. When China builds dams on the Mekong, it limits the flow of water to the region. ASEAN could prioritize prevention of economic tensions and develop conflict management mechanisms, including for marine-based conflicts. Ms. Fleishman proposes that security threats will be augmented if significant carbon emission reduction efforts are not made in the near-term. In a region that trades and runs on predominantly fossil fuel energy resources, emissions reduction will be a tall task. Nuclear energy is a geopolitically-charged potential option, as any Southeast Asian country interested in nuclear energy will need to secure a multi-decadal relationship with a current nuclear power leader, cementing foreign influence. However, with sea level rise, subsidence, and more frequent and extreme severe weather, future climatic conditions might inhibit nuclear power plants in some coastal locations. She recommends that leaders consider their constituencies, as specific populations in the region lack the resources necessary for climate change resilience. According to Ms. Fleishman, energy policy makers and security analysts need to jointly develop situational awareness. Building an understanding of the energy-climate security nexus should take place at both the regional and national security levels. CSR will soon share a conversation that closely examines climate security threats and factors in South Asia. We hope these conversations will connect the dots on climate security dynamics in South and Southeast Asia.


    On the Verge – Climate Security with Sherri Goodman (008) May 10, 2021
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    By Evan Barnard The concept of climate security is decades-old, but a new sense of urgency and a renewed interest in the concept have developed over recent years, not least due to the efforts of CSR’s Center for Climate and Security. Climate change initially became a formal security focus for the U.S. after the dissolution of the Soviet Union, when military efforts began diverting from the nuclear arms race and standoff. Now, the field is rapidly developing and receiving greater attention. The inclusion of a climate security session at the recent U.S.-hosted Leaders Summit on Climate suggests that world leaders are considering climate change a security risk in major diplomatic contexts. The Leaders Summit on Climate was just one of this year's numerous high-level meetings emphasizing climate security, including the Munich Security Conference, a UN Security Council high-level debate on climate and security, and the widely-anticipated COP26 conference in November. Today, we are sharing the first in a series of three podcasts reflecting on the upcoming 2021 World Climate and Security Report from the Expert Group of the International Military Council on Climate and Security, which builds upon the group’s 2020 World Climate and Security Report, which was released at that year’s Munich Security Conference. The report provides an update on the status of global and regional climate security factors, and details what climate experts predict will be the most important aspects of climate security. Before the Leaders Summit on Climate, I discussed climate security priorities for the military and climate diplomacy with the Honorable Sherri Goodman. Ms. Goodman is a senior strategist and advisory board member at the Center for Climate and Security, chair of the board at the Council on Strategic Risks, secretary general of the International Military Council on Climate and Security, and senior fellow at the Wilson Center. At the inception of the field of climate security, she served as the first deputy undersecretary of defense for environmental security from 1993 to 2001. The discussion included why the Department of Defense must cement a reputation as an environmental and clean energy leader and how the military is already taking steps toward resilience. Ms. Goodman believes the security sector will have an important role in the global effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions and adapt to climate change. The military industrial complex has an enormous carbon footprint, so the military should lead by example in emissions reduction and clean energy adoption. Militaries can make much greater progress toward these goals by working cooperatively. Most importantly, innovation will enable the military to develop and implement clean energy and other technologies, further leading by example and building a climate domain awareness. Given the social, economic, political, and national security implications of accelerating climate change, the time to take action and mitigate and adapt for climate resilience is now. Ms. Goodman suggests an integrated, societal approach like the “Three Ds:” development, diplomacy, and defense. Solutions must be locally-based, because there is no one-size-fits-all solution to conflicts with climate as a factor. In a 2007 CNA Military Advisory Report, Ms. Goodman coined the term “threat multiplier.” The term was used multiple times, including by Special Envoy for Climate John Kerry, during the Leaders Summit on Climate in terms of security risks. The term describes how climate change aggravates existing threats around the world. Modern examples include the melting Arctic Ocean, where a smaller, thinner icecap is translating to both economic and national security opportunities for Arctic nations like the U.S. and Russia as well as interested traders like China. These Arctic economic and military opportunities are sculpting a new geostrategic and geopolitical arena. As highlighted almost a decade ago by the Center for Climate and Security, climate change-augmented drought in locations like the Middle East and the Sahel can contribute to agricultural and pastoral devastation, famine, migration, and internal conflict. These climate security factors will increasingly shape troop deployment and activity. The U.S. military should hold itself accountable and collaborate with allies to provide humanitarian assistance and disaster relief when and where necessary, which helps improve security situations. Climate change will remain a threat multiplier, and a sufficiently effective response will require multilateral cooperation. CSR will soon share a conversation that dives deeper into the 2021 World Climate and Security Report and its lessons. We hope these conversations will fuel security forces’ interest to integrate climate security risks into their planning.


    On the Verge – New Weapons of Mass Destruction? (007) May 03, 2021
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    In this episode, Dr. Natasha Bajema, Director of the Converging Risks Lab, hosts a follow-on discussion with Colonel (ret) Ron Fizer and the Honorable Andy Weber about the definition of weapons of mass destruction (WMD) and whether or not other technologies and scenarios with the potential for mass effects need to be considered as part of any effort to reboot the 2002 Strategy to Combat Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). Ron Fizer is a retired U.S. Army Colonel and fellow at LMI. He served in the force for 30 years in various command, staff and leadership positions across the Army, Joint Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Andy Weber is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Strategic Risks. He is the former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Defense programs and has spent decades working to reduce the risk of WMD. For further reading, please check out a three-part briefer written by Dr. Bajema exploring whether we should move beyond the WMD paradigm: BRIEFER: Beyond Weapons of Mass Destruction: Time for a New Paradigm? BRIEFER – Definitions Matter: The Role of WMD in Shaping U.S. National Security Strategy BRIEFER: Weapons of Mass Agility: A New Threat Framework for Mass Effects in the 21st Century


    On the Verge – Rebooting the National Strategy to Combat WMD (006) Apr 12, 2021
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    In this episode, Dr. Natasha Bajema, Director of the Converging Risks Lab, hosts Colonel (ret) Ron Fizer and the Honorable Andy Weber in a discussion about the need to reboot the 2002 strategy to combat Weapons of Mass Destruction (WMD). This is the first in a series of discussions we’ll be having on this topic. Ron Fizer is a retired U.S. Army Colonel and fellow at LMI. He served in the force for 30 years in various command, staff and leadership positions across the Army, Joint Staff and the Office of the Secretary of Defense. Andy Weber is a Senior Fellow at the Council on Strategic Risks. He is the former Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear, Chemical, and Biological Defense programs and has spent decades working to reduce the risk of WMD. For further reading, please check out a three-part briefer written by Dr. Bajema exploring whether we should move beyond the WMD paradigm: BRIEFER: Beyond Weapons of Mass Destruction: Time for a New Paradigm? BRIEFER – Definitions Matter: The Role of WMD in Shaping U.S. National Security Strategy


    On the Verge – Lessons from Japan’s Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic (005) Mar 01, 2021
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    In this episode, Christine Parthemore, the CEO of the Council on Strategic Risks, interviews Dr. Tomoya Saito, director of the Department of Health Crisis Management at Japan’s National Institute of Public Health. Dr. Saito is taking part in his country’s COVID-19 response, applying his deep experience in emergency preparedness and response, health surveillance, and biosecurity. Christine and Dr. Saito discussed several specific lessons that show the potential for strong pandemic prevention and response, including: Japan detected the infection patterns at a very early stage, showing the importance of disease tracking and early warning. Like all countries, Japan is navigating improvements in data collection and sharing. This also relates to the strength of a nation’s modeling and disease-trend prediction capabilities. Japan established effective contact tracing and cluster busting strategies early, and its “Avoid 3Cs” campaign helped with public communications and cooperation in preventing disease spread. The roles of health centers in communities around Japan in contact tracing and helping the public, and its accessible medical care for everyone, undoubtedly contribute to progress in containing the spread of COVID-19. Dr. Saito shares specific insights and examples from the work he and his colleagues continue to do in addressing the COVID-19 crisis in Japan. These can and should inform how the United States improves its responses to this current pandemic, and establishes the systems needed to halt future outbreaks before they sicken and kill millions. Watch the Interview as a Video: https://youtu.be/4_LUDMrW0r8


    On the Verge – Sole Purpose Nuclear Doctrine (004) Feb 22, 2021
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    In this episode, Natasha Bajema, Director of the Converging Risks Lab at the Council on Strategic Risks, interviews Andy Weber and John Gower about their proposal for a sole purpose nuclear doctrine. The Honorable Andy Weber is a Senior Fellow at CSR. He spent five-and-a-half years as the U.S. Assistant Secretary of Defense for Nuclear, Chemical and Biological Defense Programs. He was a driving force behind Nunn-Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction efforts to remove weapons-grade uranium from Kazakhstan and Georgia and nuclear-capable MiG-29 aircraft from Moldova, to reduce biological weapons threats, and to destroy Libyan and Syrian chemical weapons stockpiles. In addition, he coordinated U.S. leadership of the international Ebola response for the Department of State. Rear Admiral (ret.) John Gower is a Senior Advisor at CSR. He served, until his retirement in December 2014, as Assistant Chief of Defence Staff (Nuclear & Chemical, Biological) in the UK Ministry of Defense. Previously, he spent nearly half his 36-yr military career at sea in ships and submarines culminating in the sequential command of two globally deployed submarines. The Janne E. Nolan Center on Strategic Weapons launched a program in 2018 on reimagining arms control. As the international landscape continues to evolve, successful arms control in the 21st Century will require new approaches grounded in the mutual security interests of countries involved. Working in collaboration with governments and other think tanks from around the world, the Nolan Center is developing new arms control concepts that countries may pursue together. This work gives special attention to classes of nuclear weapons that carry the highest risks of ambiguity, escalation, and altering strategic calculations; and developing arms control ideas that could include to Indo-Pacific participants. Read More About Arms Control Improving Nuclear Strategic Stability Through a Responsibility-Based Approach If Biden Reviews Nuclear Weapons Plans, Focus on New & Low-Yield Weapons Nuclear Weapon Sole Purpose: The Strongest Future for U.S. National Security and Global Stability A Nuclear Policy Tapestry: From a Code of Responsibility to Greater Stability


    On the Verge – Pakistan and Climate Security (003) Feb 15, 2021
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    Dr. Sweta Chakraborty speaks with South Asia experts (and participants in CSR’s Working Group on Climate, Nuclear, and Security Affairs) Elizabeth Threlkeld of the Stimson Center and Neil Bhatiya of the Center for a New American Security. They discuss nuclear weapons, climate security issues, the effects of natural disasters on the Pakistani population and government, and much more. The Climate-Nuclear-Security Project (CNSP) was the first project of the Converging Risks Lab, bringing together the experience and expertise housed within the Center for Climate and Security (CCS) and the Janne E. Nolan Center on Strategic Weapons, as well as the broader climate security and nuclear security policy communities. The CNSP recognizes that climate and nuclear risks are growing more complex and interconnected, and are beginning to converge in new ways. Understanding and managing this risk landscape requires climate, nuclear and security experts to break down issue sector barriers and develop joint solutions. Read More About the Climate-Nuclear Security Nexus: The Future of South Asia: Nuclear, Climate & Security Nexus in India & Pakistan The South China Sea: A Potential Climate, Nuclear, Security Hotspot BRIEFER: Brazil – A Climate, Nuclear, and Security Hotspot Watch Video About the Climate-Nuclear Nexus: https://youtu.be/zNrahMvbWVY


    On the Verge – Lessons from Japan’s Response to the COVID-19 Pandemic (002) Feb 08, 2021
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    In this episode, Christine Parthemore, the CEO of the Council on Strategic Risks, interviews Japanese experts about their response to the COVID-19 pandemic.


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