Off The Looking Glass

Grand Finale Aug 23, 2023

In this, the last-ever episode of OTLG, Kate & Jess take you on a journey through some of their favorite moments: from their interview with silver screen icon Geena Davis to legend Dawn Staley talking about who she’d give a signature shoe to that one time they interviewed Megan Rapinoe, Sue Bird, Ashlyn Harris and Ali Krieger ALL AT THE SAME TIME. Plus, one last time … don’t skip the ads!

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Dreams Aug 16, 2023

Kate & Jess go back to their roots — basketball. WNBA star Angel McCoughtry joins the show to talk about how women’s hoops has changed in the last decade, then boxing legend Jackie Kellen shares stories from her life along the ropes. Oh, and, don’t skip the ads!

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The Fan Aug 09, 2023

Kate & Jess are very, very sad about the USWNT loss but so, so happy that the rest of the world is happy! And as a soothing balm for all hurting fans out there, OTLG has an episode chock full of goodness: Olympic gold medalist and data guru Angela Ruggiero joins to share what she’s learned about selling women’s sports, and Olympic marathon Kara Goucher shares a fascinating story from her first-ever Boston Marathon. Ole!

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Flat White Aug 02, 2023

From halfway around the world, all the way from Wellington, New Zealand, The Athletic’s Meg Linehan joins Kate & Jess and breaks down everything World Cup — from the perfect flat whites to the USWNT’s slow start. Ole!

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Worldwide Jul 26, 2023

Kate & Jess go around the globe for this episode of OTLG, touching on the ongoing World Cup — show alum Sophia Smith with two goals! — then bringing you the story of the Soccer Grannies from South Africa, and finally finishing in France (say it with us: cwwwwuissant ) with a Campfire told by the winner of the first-ever Tour de France for women, Marianne Martin.

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The Main Event Jul 19, 2023

It’s World Cup time baby, and OTLG is here with one of the stars of the USWNT, Sophia Smith, who takes us back to her high school years when she was the star of her … basketball team! (And, also, Kate’s crushed to hear that she’s never even HEARD of the movie Notting Hill.)All kinds of surprises await — psst, don’t skip the ads

— in this WWC kick-off episode.

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Big UCONN Jul 12, 2023

Off The Looking Glass comes full circle with an extra special data-driven episode where Jess & Kate aim to quantify their UCONN bias theory from Season 1. Featuring famed datahead Tom Haberstroh and two college hoppers (and budding data scientists) who build algorithms and scrape the data — how many times can we say that word? — in an attempt to prove whether the media’s UCONN bias is a real thing.

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Open Jul 05, 2023

Jess and Kate dive head first into all things golf, first bringing on LPGA tour member Ryan O’Toole who offers a peek behind the curtain about what it’s like as a professional golfer (she’s like a part-time travel agent!), then a brand-new Campfire — this one brought by Anya Alvarez — about the backstory of one very famous 16th hole, the woman who helped design it, and what it’s like to play it.

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Tidal Wave Jun 28, 2023

Kate & Jess embark on an episode with a unifying theme: Things They Are Scared Of. First up is the ocean, and waves (big and small), which they discuss with World Surf League chief of sport, Jessi Miley-Dyer, who deftly handles — no surprise! — the hosts 101 questions. Theeeeeen, Jess & Kate dissect the new Max documentary, Bama Rush, a film that *tries* to take viewers inside the mysterious and competitive world of … sorority rushing.

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Snacks Jun 21, 2023

AN EPIC CROSSOVER EXPERIENCE: OTLG x Snacks! Kate & Jess are joined by U.S. soccer stars Sam Mewis and Lynn Williams, who answer key questions such as “How does the World Cup roster get released?” and “Would you rather interview or be interviewed?” Plus, after years of Kate expressing the importance of The Sandlot to Jess, the show welcomes actor Patrick Renna for a nice chat, which forces the hosts down a combo rabbit hole/Does It Hold Up?

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Fore! Jun 14, 2023

In this grab bag episode, Jess & Kate welcome the two golfers — Maycee Kay Aycock and Sarah Marshall — whose combined score of 434 helped save not only their college’s team, but also an entire conference. Plus, an ad for a podcast that finally addresses an important topic : conspiracy theories in women’s sports. (Why DID Brandi Chastain rip off her jersey at the Rose Bowl in ‘99?!)

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Diamonds Jun 07, 2023

In honor of the Women’s College World Series (and its bonkers ratings), Kate & Jess present an all-softball episode ft. TWO former NCAA champs: Lauren Chamberlain (Oklahoma) and Natasha Watley (UCLA), as well as TWO rabbit holes that dig deep into the future of professional women’s softball.

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Ante Up May 31, 2023

A jam-packed episode featuring poker champ Annie Duke, who chats with Jess & Kate about the power of quitting, then the show takes a much-needed trip to the multiverse for an episode of the Jess & Kate Show, where the hosts discuss the ridiculous jockstrapGATE that took over golf, and also a very special Campfire about how the runners of San Francisco are attempting a Guinness world record.

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Say Cheese May 24, 2023

Olympic gold medalist and WNBA champ Jewell Loyd is back for Part II of her interview, where she takes us inside that devastating Seattle Storm loss to the Aces during last season’s playoffs, theeeeeeen, a very special (and very stinky) Campfire segment featuring the winner of a sport you probably have never heard of, but will certainly never forget. What would YOU do for a wheel of cheese?

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Game Time May 17, 2023

The show dips back into the basketball waters — hello, WNBA season! — with WNBA champ, and Seattle Storm cornerstone, Jewell Loyd, who reveals that she and her brother drew up a 5- and 10-year plan for her career BACK IN HIGH SCHOOL. Plus, Jess and Kate take numerous segues (Scattergories, anyone?) as they attempt to tackle the question: Are super teams good for the WNBA? Annnnnnnd, the final pre-qualifier update from Anya!

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Support System May 10, 2023

OTLG hits all the notes in this episode, from an opening voicemail from Kate’s mom (Happy Mothers Day, y’all!) to a deep discussion about the objectification of female athletes with national champion runner, and New York Times bestselling author (GOOD FOR A GIRL), Lauren Fleshman. Plus, a final update from Anya before next week’s U.S. Open qualifier and, of course … don’t skip the ads!

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Stakes May 03, 2023

Giddy-up! OTLG goes full Kentucky Derby: Jess and Kate welcome the legend — and winner of a Triple Crown race! — Julie Krone, who gives us the inside scoop on life as a jockey and what kind of hype music she listened to before a big race (hint: SHOWTUNES), then Anya brings us an Extra, Extra! featuring Diana Krump, who was the first female rider in Kentucky Derby history.

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Capital T, Capital S Apr 26, 2023

It’s baaaaaack — in honor of their superstar guest, Kate & Jess deliver the first “Does it Hold Up?” of the new era, going all the way back to 1992 to reassess the family-friendly (or maybe not?) comedy, The Mighty Ducks. The movie was, of course, a favorite of Olympic gold medalist and hockey pioneer Hilary Knight, who joins the show to discuss important things like the future of women’s pro hockey and where she keeps her silver medals. Plus — producer Anya Alvarez has another update in her quest to qualify for the U.S. Open. quack … Quack … QUACK!

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Future Apr 19, 2023

Jess & Kate share their visions for the future of women’s sports (Mars, anyone?) after catching up with Anya Alvarez on her journey to the U.S. Open, then the pair are joined by basketball maven Ari Chambers, who takes us inside the busiest week in hoops and leads the hosts down a little Paige Beuckers detour.

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Tuxedos Apr 12, 2023

Join Kate and Jess as they discover an almost-never-seen sports flick starring Pistol Pete and their guest, “Machine Gun” Molly Kazmer (nee Bolin), who tells another round of stories from the WBL heyday, including a Hollywood/Des Moines movie premiere, and the Great Tuxedo Rebellion. Pluuuuus, producer Anya Alvarez offers the first of her dispatches on her road to Pebble Beach glory, and don’t skip the ads!

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Heartland Apr 05, 2023

Jess & Kate take a journey back in time with a legend, “Machine Gun Molly” Kazmer (née Bolin), who grew up playing 6-on-6 in basketball-mad Iowa before starring in the WBL. But first, the pair weighs in — twice, in fact! — on the Angel Reese vs. Caitlin Clark craziness. Oh, oh, AND … that new voice you hear is the first “Extra, Extra!” from producer Anya Alvarez, who tells us the story of a women’s basketball team from depression-era Oklahoma.

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The Pill? Mar 29, 2023

A first of its kind for OTLG: Kate and Jess hold down an episode all on their own! The pair take you back to the pod’s drawing-board days, answering questions such as, “What were some abandoned titles for the show?” and “What is your favorite fake ad?” Plus, they tackle important questions from listeners, including, “Is the show jinxing people” and, paramount, “Which college coach would you give truth serum to?”

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Where the Buffalo Roam Mar 24, 2023

EMERGENCY POD ALERT Come jump on the Colorado Buffaloes’ bandwagon alongside Kate — and maybe, Kate hopes, Jess? — as CU head coach JR Payne joins the pod ahead of her team’s Sweet Sixteen showdown with Caitlin Clark and Iowa.

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Cardinal Rule Mar 22, 2023

OTLG goes to the West Coast for a pre-NCAA tournament interview (sorry for your loss, Stanford faithful) with the stoic legend, Tara VanDerveer, who reveals the moment she first heard about Netflix. Plus, an Extra, Extra hot off the presses! We go way back … to the first-ever women’s college game played at the San Francisco Armory …

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Mac Mar 15, 2023

Kate and Jess are joined by Stanford basketball star Cameron Brink (who loves Barbie and has never seen Sandlot!), and then they debut a brand new segment called “The OpEd” to discuss a story that piqued their interest — a New York Times article about NIL and the marketing of female athletes — which also connects with Brink.

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The Hustle Mar 08, 2023

Kate and Jess welcome on Adia Barnes, who talks about the impact of Arizona’s 2021 run to the NCAA title game. Then, an Extra, Extra hot off the presses!: the tale of Karen Logan, designer of the Wilson basketball, and her near-erasure from the history books.

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Rocky Top Mar 01, 2023

Kate and Jess go full-Tennessee in this episode, much to Kate’s delight. The duo welcomes Lady Vols’ coach (and former ‘90s star) Kellie Jolly Harper and introduce a new storytelling segment called “Campfire” — this one starring icon Cheryl Miller — that of course leads to a fiery (fire-y) discussion on the merits of S’mores.

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Trophies Feb 22, 2023

They’re back in the game! Jess & Kate have a spiffy new logo and brand-new game plan — OTLG is going weekly until the end of time! — and to kick it all off they’re joined by reigning NCAA champion and Player of the Year, Aliyah Boston! (Don’t skip the ads, but DO go down the rabbit holes!)

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Euro Step Jun 29, 2022

In this, the Season 2 Finale, Kate & Jess go INTERNATIONAL, talking all things F1 (and W Series!) with Sky Sports host and professional driver Naomi Schiff, which leads to a very loud rabbit hole; then, Kate brings an “Extra, Extra!” in advance of the 2022 Euros about the “FA ban” — the story of when England’s Football Association barred women from its fields. Plus, the show gets a new sponsor: Cameo’s Oopsie Doopsies!

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A Land Before IX Jun 22, 2022

Jess & Kate commemorate the 50th anniversary of Title IX with an “Extra, Extra” that explains why the NCAA running women’s sports is like the fox guarding the hen house. Plus, USWNT midfielder Kristie Mewis — recent reader of The Five Love Languages — joins the show in a wide-ranging interview (from Sam Kerr to A League of Their Own to claiming shotgun as a kid). Oh, and, DON’T SKIP THE ADS!

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Grit(iron) Jun 15, 2022

Two-time FIFA world player of the year Carli Lloyd joins Jess & Kate, and she has some thoughts about what she sees as the changing culture of Team USA. Plus, Jess takes us back to the ‘70s for an “Extra, Extra” about her favorite sport. Oh, and — *multiverse alert* — we take a trip to an alternate universe and try to help make men’s sports matter.

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Big Waves Jun 09, 2022

Kate and Jess welcome the sensational — and Arby’s-lovin’ — Mo’ne Davis … a convo that briefly plunges the hosts down a youth sports’ rabbit hole; then, in this edition of “Does it Hold Up?”, Jess & Kate face their biggest fear: A Very Big Wave. Plus, the latest edition in the show’s incredibly-popular line of tactical gear!

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Stakes and Storylines Jun 01, 2022

Kate and Jess listen to Kate’s recent TedxBoston Talk about why we watch sports. Cameos include Ada Anderson and Inez Patterson of the Philadelphia Tribunes.

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Just Sky May 25, 2022

Fellow Notre Dame alumnae, Jess & Skylar Diggins Smith, chop it up about ol’ South Bend, then Kate shares an “Extra, Extra” that includes shots of Jack Daniels in paper cups and the phrase “pawnshop proprietor”. Also, OTLG welcomes another new sponsor: the Brag Hotline for Parents. (You probably need it.)

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Million Dollar Ideas May 18, 2022

Come along as Jess & Kate & Dawn Staley brainstorm the future: the next big signature shoe (Dawn), a game-changing brick and mortar business (Jess), and your next binge-worthy TV obsession from Disney ++, GOOD BOYS (team effort). Oh, um, yeah, and a gritty “Does It Hold Up” that leaves Jess and Kate questioning the wisdom of The Academy.

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Trojan Horse May 11, 2022

Jess & Kate are joined by the iconic Cheryl Miller, who tells stories from the ‘80s: the first time she dunked, her pre-game meal, and the day she stopped playing Reggie 1-on-1. Plus, in keeping with the RAD theme, Kate tells an Extra, Extra about Lynne Cox (whose new book TALES OF AL is out now!) and her daring swim that helped end the Cold War. Oh, and, as always … don’t skip the ads!

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That’s Showbiz May 04, 2022

In this episode, OTLG goes full Hollywood: Jess & Kate drop a trailer for their new blockbuster film, chat WNBA streaming rights with Los Angeles Sparks’ all-everything Nneka Ogwumike, and dip into the 90’s for a “Does It Hold Up?” of epic — or tiny? — proportions. (Hi, Little Giants!)

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Leagues Of Their Own Apr 27, 2022

The SEASON 2 PREMIERE! Jess & Kate are giddy over welcoming the iconic Geena Davis, who helps put a bow on Season 1 and addresses the controversial debate: Did Dottie Henson drop the ball on purpose? Plus, Cheryl Miller pops by for a quick story, Kate drops an Extra, Extra on the American Basketball League, and the aggressive Tactical company has a brand-new product for your consideration.

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Big UConn Mar 31, 2022

Crossover pod alert! Kate and Jess are pulled away from writing Season 2 to join Basketball Illuminati (hi, Tom and Amin) in the pursuit of truth: how and why did UConn end up with a home game to get to the Final Four? We investigate....

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March Madness Mar 17, 2022

!!!SPECIAL POD ALERT!!! Kate & Jessica are back in your feeds and for good reason: the benevolent NCAA overlords have “allowed” the women’s tournament to use the March Madness branding and to celebrate we’re taking you on an OTLG-style journey into the tournament: the top two all-time scorers in NCAA history — Jackie Stiles and Kelsey Plum — tell us the story of how they are linked forever; Kate drops an Extra, Extra about the lingering pain of the most famous upset in tournament history; and the NCAA surprisingly buys ad space for their new product: the POWER card.

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GOAT(s?) Jan 28, 2022

A guest fit for a season finale: all-timer Cynthia Cooper joins Jess and Kate and brings her infectious championship attitude, which leads to a brief UConn-tallying rabbit hole; then, Jess (!) flips the script and brings her own ‘Extra, Extra’ that attempts to answer, “Why does softball exist?” — plus, Jon from New York has constructive criticism and Kate and Jess hint at what (and who!) is to come in Season 2.

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Penultimate Jan 20, 2022

In this, the second-to-last episode of Season 1, Jess and Kate talk pro leagues — foreign and domestic — with one of the coolest to ever play the game, Ticha Penicheiro, which leads to a rabbit hole about an ex-KGB spy who once ran the most opulent women’s team in the world; then, an “Extra, Extra!” about the first-ever World Champions, the Fort Shaw Indian Boarding School. Plus, goodies (Geoff! Nneka! Ads!) sprinkled throughout.

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Shooting Stars Jan 12, 2022

A show filled with a few of the greatest: Jess and Kate are joined by baller-for-life Nancy Lieberman, which leads to a rabbit hole about the late 70s WBL; then, a “Does It Hold Up?” analyzing (perhaps?) the best sports movie of all-time, Love & Basketball. Plus, in keeping with the Hollywood x Sports theme, Gabrielle Union shares her Moment of Epiphany, and, finally, a returning sponsor hawks us a brand-new product.

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Pedestrianism Jan 05, 2022

The show goes way back for an Extra, Extra that makes a very modern point: that what we love about sports is more simple than most of us — including the show’s new caller, Geoff from Austin — recognize. Plus, Kate and Jess break down ESPN’s breakdown of them, and the Calm Meditation App for Coaches runs its inaugural ad.

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Coach Speak Dec 22, 2021

Two-time NCAA title-winning coach Muffet McGraw -- should we call her “Coach”? -- drops by the show to share her thoughts on the NIL as well as UConn, which leads Kate and Jess down a champagne-popping rabbit hole; after, an “Extra, Extra” about one phone call from 1994 that might have changed the direction of women’s college ball, and the show finally gets Zip Recruiter, er, um ... Recruiter Recruiter? ... as a sponsor.

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Queens Dec 15, 2021

Sue Bird, Megan Rapinoe, Ashlyn Harris, and Ali Krieger ALL join this episode, and so much star power triggers some anxiety from Jess, which Kate admits to sharing. This happens after our hosts stake out a controversial opinion on a beloved film, leading to a rabbit hole about what went wrong with one long-ago women’s professional league. Plus, the show finally finds a sponsor — and we hope Draft Kings approves!

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Road Trip Dec 09, 2021

Buckle up for this one: The OG, Chamique Holdsclaw, stops by the show, which sends Kate and Jess down multiple rabbit holes about heroes and villains and pettiness in sports, then we take a spin with a 26-year-old Pat Summitt as she drives the team van. Plus, the show goes roundtrip to the multiverse and (it seems) Kirk from FC leaves his final missive.

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Signature Moves Dec 01, 2021

OTLG is back for Episode 3 with (arguably) the best hooper in the world, Breanna Stewart; the conversation leads Kate and Jess down a rabbit hole about the history of signature sneakers and, down even further, into another Extra, Extra from Kate — this time about the most famous women’s kicks of all time, the Air Swoopes. Plus, Kirk from Fort Collins leaves the show another (!) voicemail and Spandex for Golfers hopes to revolutionize the game.

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Soft Americans? Nov 23, 2021

In this, the second episode of OTLG, Kate and Jessica expand their range: bringing on Olympic marathoner Kara Goucher to discuss the ripple effects of one photo of her from 2008 (which sends Kate and Jess down another rabbit hole), then Kate tells Jess the epic story of one long-ago athlete whose life is the stuff of Hollywood. Plus, Kirk from Fort Collins leaves ANOTHER voicemail, and a tactical gear company pitches its newest product.

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NO CRYING! Nov 16, 2021

In this, the inaugural episode of OTLG, you’re introduced to everything this show will be about: Kate and Jessica plunging down rabbit holes (UConn privilege, anyone?), mining ideas with superstars (hi, Seimone Augustus!), and deconstructing nostalgic pop culture (“Wait … Madonna is in this?"); also, Mr. Everyman, Kirk from Fort Collins, has opinions on what the show should be about, and the NCAA pitches us on their brand-new app, athlEATS.

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Enter the Rabbit Hole Oct 24, 2021

Off the Looking Glass coming soon...

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