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    Notice That

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    Latest Episodes:
    Neurofeedback + EMDR: A Conversation with Leigh Povia Dec 02, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of Notice That, Bridger and Jen sit down with neurofeedback expert Leigh Povia, LCSW, RPT, BCN, founder of Center for Dynamic Growth, to explore how neurofeedback can strengthen, support, and accelerate trauma therapy.

    Together, they discuss:

    • What neurofeedback actually is—beyond the buzzwords
    • How brainwave training mirrors internal states and supports regulation
    • Why neurofeedback can open doors when EMDR alone feels “stuck”
    • How clinicians can partner with neurofeedback providers
    • The developmental trauma connection: attachment, arousal, and brain-based interventions
    • A powerful case example of a child whose system finally found calm
    • Practical uses for neurofeedback in resourcing, closure, and state stabilization

    Leigh shares candidly about her own learning curve, what it’s like to bring neurofeedback into an EMDR practice, and how both modalities can work in harmony rather than competition.

    If you’ve ever wondered whether neurofeedback could strengthen your EMDR work, this episode is a rich and relatable introduction.

    Resources Mentioned:

    • Leigh’s course: Demystifying Neurofeedback
    • Center for Dynamic Growth: CenterForDynamicGrowth.com

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    The Future of EMDR Tech: Inside WeMind with Founder Sander Kamphuis Nov 20, 2025
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    In this episode, we wrap up our series on working memory theory in EMDR by sitting down with Sander, co-founder of WeMind—a digital platform designed to optimize bilateral stimulation, track real-time client engagement, and bring advanced working memory taxation into both virtual and in-person EMDR sessions.

    We explore:

    • How WeMind adapts working memory load dynamically during sets
    • Why random-interval taxation may enhance reprocessing
    • The shift from hardware (light bars, tappers) to integrated platforms
    • Cultural differences in EMDR practice across countries
    • How tech can support relational, attuned therapy rather than replace it

    This episode features conversation only—the demonstration portion appears exclusively on YouTube.

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    Bonus Episode! Conference Recap… A Bit Late Nov 04, 2025
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    Jen and Bridger finally sit down to share stories and reflections from the 2024 EMDRIA Conference — a few weeks (or months?) later than planned. From early-morning flights and beachside content shoots to laughter-filled dinners and deep professional reflections, this episode captures the whirlwind of being presenters, exhibitors, and community builders all at once.

    They talk candidly about what it was like to present Enactment-Focused EMDR for the first time, the energy of meeting listeners face-to-face, and their behind-the-scenes take on the polarizing buzz around EMDR 2.0. It’s part travelogue, part professional reflection, and all the reasons this work matters.

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    IFS-Informed EMDR: Parts, Art, and the Organic Map of Healing Oct 23, 2025
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    In this episode, Bridger and Jen sit down with David Polidi, Bruce Hersey (Syzygy Institute), and Peggy Kolodny (Art Therapy Collective) to explore the forthcoming anthology IFS-Informed EMDR. Together, they unpack how EMDR’s eight phases can be enriched—not replaced—by Internal Family Systems (IFS), art therapy, and Jungian active imagination.

    You’ll hear:

    • Why Bruce views the target as a part—and how that changes the way we conceptualize trauma work.
    • How protectors vs. exiles organize around different types of energy (urge vs. disturbance).
    • The emergence of Phase 2.5 / Discovery, bridging resourcing and processing.
    • How art-making and active imagination safely access nonverbal, somatic memory.
    • Bridger’s chapter, “A Window and a Mirror”, introducing the Somatic Integration and Processing (SIP) model for case conceptualization as an intersubjective, diversity-honoring map.

    This conversation is both practical and philosophical—an invitation to deepen precision, creativity, and compassion in trauma therapy.

    Preorder the book: IFS-Informed EMDR: Creative and Collaborative Approaches on Amazon

    Support the show: patreon.com/thinkbeyondhealing

    Trainings & consults: connectbeyondhealing.com → Trainings tab

    Follow: @Notice_That_Podcast

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    Bonus Episode: The Mosaic Enneagram Sep 26, 2025
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    The Mosaic Enneagram (Limited Series)

    A five-part companion to a six-month consultation cohort for therapists, this series reimagines the Enneagram as a living mosaic across the head, heart, and gut. Grounded in the Nurtured Nature Personality Framework (NNPF), we explore how agency, bonding, and certainty shape our strategies for belonging and becoming. Each episode blends story and theory—moving from personal mistyping and “type rigidity” toward a more generous, triadic self-portrait. You’ll meet the Mosaic Discovery prompts, unpack tensions and coherence within your three centers, and end by crafting an honest self-narrative you can share with safe others. Whether you’re Enneagram-curious or clinically trained, come for language that honors complexity—and tools you can use right away.

    Ideal for: therapists, coaches, and reflective humans

    For more information, head over to our website.

    Series arc: Agency → Bonding → Certainty → Authentic Self-Narrative

    The Mosaic Enneagram reframes typology as a three-center mosaic (head/heart/gut) shaped by life in relationship. This episode sets the foundation: why single-type identity feels rigid, how “mosaics” increase nuance, and how the series will guide listeners toward an authentic self-narrative.

    Episode Thesis

    Personality makes the most sense when we track the interplay of agency (gut), bonding (heart), and certainty (head) across a lifetime—not as one fixed label but as a living pattern that can be named, tested, and refined in safe relationship.

    Segment-by-Segment Outline

    1. Welcome & Purpose of the Series
    • Limited series accompanying a 6-month therapist cohort.
    • Practical application over theory-heavy NNPF, but grounded in it.
    1. From Pop Typology to Depth Work
    • How people often meet the Enneagram (tests, pop content).
    • Initial typing vs. lived complexity; why mistyping is common.
    1. Personal Origin Stories
    • Early encounters with the Enneagram (tests, books, Rohr lectures).
    • Relational context matters: partners/teams mirror what we can’t see.
    1. Limits of Single-Type Thinking
    • Stress/growth paths and wings can still feel constraining.
    • “Storying to fit” vs. noticing where the story doesn’t match behavior.
    1. Enter the Mosaic
    • Three centers = three core “vectors”:
    • Agency (gut) – how we move/act/withhold action
    • Bonding (heart) – how we seek/guard connection
    • Certainty (head) – how we make sense/secure meaning
    • Identify a dominant style in each center to form your mosaic.
    1. Lived Examples of Reframing
    • Reconsidering “type” after deeper relational observation.
    • Why a social Five who “feels a lot” isn’t a contradiction.
    • How a Nine-in-gut can steer major life decisions toward balance.
    1. Honest Self-Narrative as the Goal
    • Naming strategies we use vs. what’s authentic.
    • Why we need safe others to see ourselves clearly.
    1. What’s Next & Homework
    • Complete the Mosaic Discovery prompts before Episode 2.
    • Next episodes: Agency → Bonding → Certainty → Self-Narrative.

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    EMDR After Basic Training: A Conversation with Carol Miles Sep 25, 2025
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    New EMDR therapists often feel a gap between basic training and confident, real-world practice. In this conversation, Carol Miles, LCSW-BACS (trainer, consultant, and leader in the South Louisiana EMDR community) joins us to unpack why clinicians drop off after training—and what actually keeps EMDR alive in agencies and private practice.

    We cover:

    • The five reasons clinicians stall out after basic training—confidence gaps, time/workload, organizational barriers (including insurance/90-minute sessions), cultural & ethical considerations, and keeping skills fresh.
    • How relationships, community, and consultation bridge the “I learned it” → “I can do it” gap.
    • Using WeMind’s EMDR practice avatars to build real-world confidence with complex presentations.
    • What agencies and group practices can do to reduce barriers (scheduling, leadership buy-in, Medicaid/EBP support).
    • EMDR’s “yes-and” posture—honoring standard protocol while integrating DBT skills, somatic work, intensives, and innovations like EMDR 2.0 (Ad de Jongh & Suzy Matthijssen).
    • The field’s shift toward cultural humility and anti-racist practice, and why it matters for outcomes and equity.
    • An invitation to Ad & Suzy’s New Orleans training on Oct 24–25, 2025 (live + virtual) on complex trauma, dissociation, and personality disorders.


    Whether you’re fresh from Part 2 or years into EMDR, this episode will help you practice with confidence, find (or build) the right community, and keep your skills both ethical and current.

    Guest: Carol Miles — trainer, consultant, and host of the South Louisiana EMDR Regional Network • https://carolmiles.com

    Don't forget to check out the training Carol mentioned with Ad de Jongh and Suzy Matthijssen, hosted in person in New Orleans with virtual seat options available. Head over to Carol's website for more details.

    Also, if you're interested in the training Jen talked about in the intro with Sarah Butler, check out the event page here: Understanding Intensive EMDR and use the promo code BEYOND55 for 20% off!

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    EMDR 2.0: A Conversation with Suzy Matthijssen & Ad de Jongh Sep 16, 2025
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    EMDR 2.0: A Conversation with Suzy Matthijssen & Ad de Jongh

    Recorded live at the EMDRIA conference, Bridger and Jen sit down with the developers of EMDR 2.0, Suzy Matthijssen and Ad de Jongh. Together, they explore how intensive trauma treatment, working memory taxation, and reconsolidation theory are shaping the next generation of EMDR. From four-sessions-a-day protocols to online innovations born during COVID, this conversation brings cutting-edge clinical research into dialogue with the everyday realities of client care.

    Summary

    In this special conference episode of Notice That, Jen and Bridger interview Suzy Matthijssen and Ad de Jongh, two of the leading voices behind EMDR 2.0. The conversation moves between history, research, and practice, offering clinicians a front-row seat to the evolution of trauma treatment.

    Key Themes:

    • Origins of Intensive Trauma Treatment
    • Suzy and Ad describe how intensive models—four sessions a day across multiple days—emerged from working with treatment-resistant clients and evolved further during the pandemic into effective online formats.
    • The Science of EMDR 2.0
    • They outline three core pillars:
    1. Activation – ensuring traumatic memories are fully brought into working memory.
    2. Taxation – increasing working memory load through diverse tasks (eye movements, spelling, music interference, etc.) to reduce vividness and emotionality.
    3. Motivation – equipping clients to actively engage in bringing memories forward rather than passively relying on the therapist.
    • Reconsolidation vs. Suppression
    • The guests emphasize the importance of ensuring memories are altered and reconsolidated—not avoided or suppressed. Special techniques like blind-to-therapist protocols and flash-forward work help clients stay engaged while navigating shame, fear, or anticipatory anxiety.
    • Rethinking Stabilization
    • EMDR 2.0 challenges the assumption that long stabilization phases are necessary. Instead, therapists are encouraged to begin trauma processing sooner while maintaining attunement and supporting clients within their window of tolerance.
    • The Future of EMDR
    • Suzy and Ad share their vision of expanding EMDR beyond PTSD guidelines into personality disorders, depression, and anxiety—arguing that wherever intrusive memories or imagery are at the core of symptomatology, EMDR should play a central role.


    This episode highlights how EMDR 2.0 builds on the original eight-phase protocol while integrating decades of research, pointing toward a future where trauma treatment is more efficient, intensive, and broadly applied.

    If you want to learn more about EMDR 2.0, head over to www.enhancingtraumatreatment.com

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    Why So Many Protocols?: EMDR Modifications and Their Common Themes Aug 28, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of Notice That, Bridger and Jen continue the Back to Basics series by exploring the ever-expanding landscape of EMDR protocols. Why are there so many? Do we really need a new protocol for every presentation, or are there deeper themes that connect them all?

    We discuss:

    • The difference between the standard 8-phase protocol and the many specialized variations
    • Common themes across protocols, such as the three-pronged approach (past, present, future), dual attention, and externalization
    • How to discern when to use a specialized protocol and when to trust your clinical creativity within the standard framework
    • Why case conceptualization is more powerful than memorizing endless techniques

    Whether you’re new to EMDR or a seasoned clinician, this episode will help you feel less overwhelmed by the “protocol overload” and more confident in your ability to adapt EMDR to your clients’ unique needs.

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    Enactment-Focused EMDR: Reclaiming the Relational Thread Aug 14, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of Notice That, Bridger and Jen reconnect after a summer hiatus, weaving personal updates with professional developments that have defined their recent months. Highlights include:

    • Summer Life & New Beginnings – From extended family time and outdoor writing sessions to the surprise timing of Willa Jean’s birth during an EMDR basic training, they share stories that set the tone for a season of growth and transition.
    • Book Development – They offer a behind-the-scenes look at their collaborative process for The Relational Thread, including how they balance poetic relational writing with research-driven legitimacy, structure chapters, and aim to make dense concepts approachable for any clinician.
    • Enactment-Focused EMDR – A preview of their upcoming EMDRIA conference presentation, exploring how enactments reveal the “space between” attachment wounds and why modifying EMDR protocol to center relational dynamics can deepen healing. They outline the theory, the three-layered strategy framework, and the role of the therapeutic relationship as both a mirror and a practice ground for change.
    • Bringing it All Together – Both the book and the EF-EMDR protocol grow from the same root: a commitment to address the gaps in EMDR literature, elevate the role of relationship, and invite clinicians into creative, responsive work that goes beyond scripts.


    Listeners will leave with a richer understanding of enactments, practical insight into relationally informed EMDR, and a peek at what’s to come in their training and writing projects.

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    EMDR Meets Play: Healing Through Curiosity and Connection with Christine Mark-Griffin Jul 18, 2025
    Show notes

    What happens when EMDR and play therapy collide? In this episode, Bridger and Jen sit down with Christine Mark-Griffin—EMDR child therapist, trainer, and author of The EMDR Workbook for Kids—to explore the art and science of bringing EMDR to children and families. Together they unpack the power of play as a language for healing, how to work with parents as co-regulators, and why case conceptualization is key for working with kids in ongoing trauma. From Roblox as a safe place to the sacred vulnerability of a child pointing to a doll, this conversation invites therapists to join the world of the child—rather than asking the child to join ours.

    Whether you’re new to working with kids or ready to deepen your practice, Christine’s insights will leave you inspired to bring more creativity and compassion into your EMDR work.

    🎧 Listen now to discover why Christine calls EMDR a superpower for kids—and why we desperately need more EMDR child therapists in the world.

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