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The 3 Dresses You're About To See Everywhere & 'A Bugs Life' On The NYFW Runway Sep 22, 2026

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Tamara and Lucinda are back together on the mic after Lucinda’s trip to LA, and there is so much fashion news to unpack! From the "lacklustre" Emmys red carpet (and why Shailene Woodley’s controversial Balenciaga look sent the internet into overdrive) to the biggest takeaways from New York Fashion Week—including the return of DVF, Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy minimalism, and models walking completely barefoot—the girls are covering all bases.

Plus, they tackle the serious news on home soil with iconic Aussie powerhouses Cue and Veronica Maine entering administration. Is corporate wear dying, or are online-native brands changing the game?

To wrap things up, Tamara shares the three dress trends taking over spring/summer, and the girls bring you their top Bougie to Budget picks featuring taffeta shorts and colourful retro stripes.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Tamara's items: Stripes

Foxwood Tides Pant Chocolate, $89.95
Vrg Grl Kinsley Polo Green Stripe, $109
Palm Noosa Eddy Dress Anana Stripe, $480

Lucinda's items: Taffeta shorts

BUDGET: Top Shop A Line Oyster Bermuda short, $79.50
MID-RANGE: Reformation Dusty Rose Mini Nora short, $128
BOUJIE: Revolve Majorelle Tilda Short in Graphite, $214

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Tamara Holland & Lucinda Pikkat

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

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'Everything Is Marketing' What You Need To Know Before Adding To Cart Sep 15, 2026

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Decode fashion brand marketing tactics with You Beauty co-host and former Showpo content expert Kelly McCarren as she pulls back the curtain on how online brands entice you to 'add to cart'. If you’ve ever fallen in love with a brand's aesthetic only to regret buying the actual garment, this episode is your ultimate guide to cutting through the noise and making smarter choices at checkout.

Leigh sits down with Kelly to unpack personal style confidence, outfit planning tips for colourful style chameleons, and the major social media marketing red flags to watch out for before tapping your card. Plus, the duo dive into everyone's favourite segment, Boujie to Budget, where Leigh shares three chic pairs of Bermuda shorts under $100 and Kelly brings her dream yellow maxi dresses across every price point.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Leigh's Item: Bermuda Shorts

Budget: Target European Linen Bermuda Shorts, $40.
Mid-Range: Glassons Tailored Bermuda Shorts, $49.99.
Boujie: Atmos&Here Nina Tailored Bermuda Shorts, $69.99.

Kelly's Item: Yellow Maxi Dress

Budget: H&M Chiffon Strappy Dress, $109.
Mid-Range: VRG GRL Alora Sheer Maxi Dress Anais, $219.
Boujie: Retrofete Winona Crochet Dress, $917.

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CREDITS:

Host: Tamara Holland

Guest co-host: Liv James

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

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The Secret To Finding Affordable Gold Jewellery That Will Never Tarnish Sep 08, 2026

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It's time for a wild dive into the latest internet lore and high-fashion drama, because this week Tamara Holland is joined by the super stylish host of In the Comments, Liv James.

From the shocking news that the 2027 John Galliano Met Gala has officially been pulled to the ultimate breakdown of Claudia Sulewski’s four-look Oscar de la Renta wedding extravaganza, no fashion stone is left unturned.

Plus, the hosts unpack the revival of 90s "whimsy goth" with the return of Practical Magic 2, Nicole Kidman's jaw-dropping archival-inspired red carpet looks, as well as Law Roach’s chaotic, fabulous YouTube channel.

To wrap it all up, they serve up the best vintage activewear finds and stunning bezel-cut diamond jewellery for every budget.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Tamara's Picks: Gold Jewellery
Bougie: Goldie Paris Ilana Bezel-Set Stackable Diamond Band, $1,195
Mid-range: The Clement Earrings, $97
Budget: YCL Emerald Bezel Stud Earring, $82

Liv's Picks: Vintage active wear
Bougie: Mode Mischief Field Pants,$159. & Track Bomber Jacket, $219
Mid-range: MOD. Vintage
Budget: Sleeveless Rib Tank, $8

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Want to hear more of Liv James? Check out In The Comments
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Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

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CREDITS:

Host: Tamara Holland

Guest co-host: Liv James

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

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The One Wardrobe Staple That Will Completely Transform How You Get Dressed Sep 01, 2026

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If you’ve been trapped in an endless loop of black, beige, and safe corporate neutrals, this episode is your ultimate permission slip to start having fun with your clothes again - Melbourne stylist Mattie Gouman is here to help us take on that bold, bright Scandi energy.

Leigh sits down with Mattie to break down everything she spotted on the ground at Copenhagen Fashion Week, from maximalist accessories and print-clashing to the vibrant colours popping off overseas right now (think chartreuse, cobalt blue, and fire-engine red). They chat about how to embrace a "more is more" mindset with pieces you already own, the best Australian hidden-gem brands for playful dressing, and why you don't need a designer budget to stand out. Plus, Mattie shares a surprisingly simple, game-changing t-shirt styling trick that completely blew Leigh’s mind.

And stick around for Bougie to Budget, where Mattie breaks down the ultimate oversized denim jackets for every price point, and Leigh brings three effortless maxi skirts to kickstart your spring wardrobe refresh.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Mattie's Pick: Oversized Denim Jackets

Budget: Uniqlo Denim Trucker Jacket, $99.90.
Mid-Range: Anine Bing Rory Jacket, $579.
Boujie: Celine Trucker Jacket in Cotton Denim, $3,300.

Leigh's Pick: Maxi Skirts

Budget: Zara ZW Collection Check Midi Skirt, $79.95.
Mid-Range: H&M Scarf Detail Skirt, $99.99.
Boujie: Heaven Australia Lotus Gia Maxi Skirt, $169.99.

Read Mattie's article 'I just got back from Copenhagen. Cool women were wearing these 5 things'.

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CREDITS:

Host: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Mattie Gouman

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

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Move Over Butter Yellow: The 5 Colours You’ll Be Wearing This Spring Aug 25, 2026

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Ever wondered why a specific shade of blue or a weird shoe suddenly takes over your social feed? Welcome to the ultimate Spring 2026 fashion cheat sheet.

This week on Nothing To Wear, Tamara Holland (Mamamia’s Fashion Editor) and Lucinda Pickett (Trend Forecaster) break down everything you’ll actually be seeing in stores this season and more importantly, what’s worth spending your hard-earned cash on during a cost-of-living crisis.

From Margaret Qualley’s headline-diverting Chanel "circumcised shoe" on the red carpet to the return of '90s zigzag headbands, board shorts (yes, really!), and the rise of "Meadow-core," the girls leave no trend unturned.

Plus, Lucinda breaks down the exact science behind how colors like Transformative Teal and Lemon Sorbet are predicted, Tamara gives her hot take on why she's breaking up with skirts, and the duo reveals the major style staples that are officially out for spring.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Tamara's items:
Bougie: Wish Re-Nylon Drawstring Clutch Bag Prada, $1192
Mid-range: Thea Leather-Trimmed Nylon Tote Bag Valesque, $330
Budget: Drawstring Bag Baguu, $80

Lucinda's items:
Bougie: Peony Memoir Gardenia Dress, $380
Mid-range: Millie Dress Sabo Skirt, $138
Budget: Poplin Babydoll Dress Glassons, $49.99

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Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

GET YOUR FASHION FIX:

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CREDITS:

Co-Hosts: Tamara Holland & Lucinda Pikkat

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

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Jeans & A Nice Top: The Y2K Trend Hilary Duff Just Revived Aug 18, 2026

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Copenhagen Fashion Week street style, Hilary Duff’s Y2K revival, and TikTok's viral "outfit villain theory" are having a serious moment. Tam and Chelsea Hui are breaking down all the biggest fashion headlines, from extreme maximalist layering on the Danish runways to the thin line between authentic personal style and cool-girl trend fatigue.

Plus, the fashion world is in overdrive after the Met Gala announced its controversial John Galliano exhibition, raising the ultimate question of whether we can ever truly separate the art from the artist. And Hilary Duff is single-handedly resurrecting the iconic "jeans and a nice top" uniform on tour, complete with nostalgic vintage tees and glow-in-the-dark stars.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Chelsea's Item:

Budget: Dissh Fiora Black Cupro Fringe Top $149.99

Mid-Range: Maison Essentiele Lace Longline Cami $325

Boujie: Rag &Bone Billie Sequined Tassel Top $749

Tamara's Item:

Budget: Feather & Noise Lola Cropped Jean in Black Spot, $89.95

Mid-Range: Sheike Amara Denim Barrel Jean, $150

Boujie: Alemais Boa Mid Rise Jean, $390

HELPFUL LINKS:

Right now, every Mamamia subscriber is automatically entered to win a $5,000 Dreamworld holiday for four; flights, accommodation, express passes and more included. Subscribe here to enter. T&Cs apply.
Become a Mamamia subscriber and get an all-access pass to everything we make, including exclusive podcasts and early listening, subscriber-only articles, monthly giveaways, discounts and our home workout app, MOVE. Subscribe here.
Get access to Very Peri, Mamamia's exclusive perimenopause series, for just $59. 25 world-leading experts, over 20 on-demand sessions, available now. We’ve sorted through the noise so you don't have to. Go to veryperi.com.au today. You hot? Same.

GET YOUR FASHION FIX:

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CREDITS:

Co-Hosts: Tamara Holland & Chelsea Hui

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

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Barrel Jeans, Elastic Waists & The Mid-Price Wardrobe Refresh Aug 11, 2026

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If you’ve ever found yourself stuck in an endless activewear rut, intimidated by internet size guides, or wondering where to shop in mid-life without feeling like a fashion victim, this is your ultimate guide. This week, Leigh is joined by Fashion Editor and digital style pro Marisa Remond bringing her best mid-range, mid-life, mid-priced fashion and online shopping advice.

Leigh sits down with Marisa to unpack the best hidden-gem international brands available in Australia, how to search by fabric composition to filter out cheap polyester, and the low-risk sizing trick that will completely change how you order online. Plus, they discuss how to build chic, practical wardrobe foundations and how to touch on current trends without overspending.

Then, Boujie to Budget, where Marisa has brought game-changing elevated elastic-waist pants that will replace your daily leggings, and Leigh brings three bright pops of cobalt blue to elevate your outerwear collection.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Marissa's Item: Elastic Waist Pants

Budget: Cotton On Jackson Utility Pants, $49.99.

Mid-Range: Dissh Scout White Cotton Barrel Leg Pant, $129.99.

Boujie: Leset Kyoto Carpenter Pants, $475.

Leigh's Item: Cobalt Blue Sport-Luxe Jackets

Budget: ASOS Design Oversized Bubble Hem Track Jacket in Cobalt, $95.

Mid-Range: M.N.G High Collar Jacket, $159.95.

Boujie: Zara ZW Collection Bomber Jacket, $185.

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Marisa Remond

Producers: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Michael Kean

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Fashion Expert Kathryn Eisman On Reading A Person Through Their Outfit Aug 04, 2026

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This week, Kathryn Eisman joins Leigh Campbell to decode what your wardrobe secretly reveals about you, and how a single accessory can completely transform an outfit.

Having built an impressive career in the fashion journalism space, Kathryn knows a thing or two about style. But she also has a talent for being able to learn so much about you from just your outfit. She's lifting the curtain on how she reads the subtle "micro-data points" in everyday outfits, her holy-grail advice for putting together an outfit and the most sentimental item she has in her own wardrobe.

Plus, Kathryn opens up about founding her cult-favourite fashion movement brand, High Heel Jungle, and what it really feels like to see megastars like Sabrina Carpenter, The Kardahsians and Chappell Roan stepping out in her iconic pieces!

BOUJIE & BUDGET:

Leigh's Item:

Budget: H&M Heart Chain Necklace, $34.99.

Midrange: Los Cabos Zayne Mules, $79.95.

Boujie: Mason De Sabre The Soft Trio Bag, $559.

Kathryn's Item:

Budget: Meshki Paige Faux Leather Cropped Jacket in Cherry Brown, $239.

Midrange: High Heel Jungle Margot Textured Nappa Leather Jacket in Espresso, $2200.

Boujie: Saint Laurent Oversized Textured-Leather Jacket, $10945.

GET YOUR FASHION FIX:

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Kathryn Eisman

Producer: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

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From Cargos To Sneakers... Millennial Fashion Is Back Jul 28, 2026

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Gabriette and Matty Healy's wedding has officially set the tone for bridal fashion, and Tam and Lucinda are unpacking every single detail. From Gabriette's subversive Matières Fécales couture gowns to Mel C's secret Australian wedding in borrowed Victoria Beckham, the girls break down all the celebrity bridal news, plus the key 2026 wedding trends you’re about to see everywhere.

Then, they'er unpacking what even is "Millennial Ache" and why is Gen Z suddenly obsessed with the early 2000s, offline era? They unpack Hailey Bieber’s sold-out Gap denim collab, Elle Ferguson’s collection, and why the ultimate millennial sneaker, the humble white plimsoll is making a massive comeback. Plus, Jonathan Saunders takes the helm at Kate Spade for a major brand revival.

And stick around for Bougie to Budget, where Tam brings the cool utility cargo pants to replace your worn-out jeans, and Lucinda shares the sleek derby shoes you'll be wearing straight into spring.

BOUJIE TO BUDGET:

Tam's Pick: Cargo Pants

Budget: Next Khaki Green Barrel Leg Cargo Trousers, $65.
Midrange: BY DYLN Ella Pant in Hemp, $149.
Boujie: Camila Coelho Gigi Pant in Olive Green, $378.59.

Lucinda's Pick: Derby Shoes

Budget: Zara Leather Derby Shoes in Brown, $105.
Midrange: Charles & Keith Pippa Leather Derby Flats in Chalk, $149.
Boujie: W Concept Heenn Folded Dirby Shoes In White, $250.

GET YOUR FASHION FIX:

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Lucinda Pikkat & Tamara Holland

Producer: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Michael Kean

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The Perfect Jeans For $50 & A Stylist Answers Your Most Asked Questions Jul 21, 2026

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Solving your biggest fashion problems, stylist Donny Galella joins Leigh to tackle thousands of your frantic wardrobe SOS DMs. From the viral "Zara death pants" taking over social media to rapid-fire games of Bin, Borrow, Buy, no style dilemma is left unanswered!

They're breaking down how to elevate a basic T-shirt and jeans using a genius shoulder pad trick, how to style perimenopause bloat with confidence, and the four shoe styles that actually go with every pair of pants you own. Plus, Donny reveals his secret colour-combining weapon and how to save your winter wardrobe from mould heartbreak.

BOUJIE & BUDGET:

Leigh's Item:

Budget: Target Harper Barrel Leg Jeans, $50.

Midrange: Levi's Ribcage Full Length Jeans, $159.95.

Boujie: FWRD SLVRLAKE London Straigh Leg, $403.

Donny's Item:

Budget: Best & Less Hooded Windbreaker Jacket, $45.

Midrange: AERE Ines Funnel Neck Bomber, $160.

Boujie: Shona Joy Ernest Funnel Neck Faux Suede Bomber Jacket, $360.

GET YOUR FASHION FIX:

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CREDITS:

Hosts: Leigh Campbell

Guest: Donny Galella

Producer: Talissa Bazaz, Ella Maitland & Zara Sengstock

Audio Producer: Scott Stronach

Video Producer: Artemi Kokkaris

Mamamia acknowledges the traditional owners of the land on which we have recorded this podcast.

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