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Bonus Episode Live From BETT 2019 Mar 08, 2019

Whilst we are busy working on season 3 we wanted to share this conversation recorded live at BETT 2019. Titled 'If She Can See It, She Can Be It', host Anjali Ramachandran chats to Chiin-Rui Tan founder and CEO of Rho Zeta AI, and Elena Sinel Founder of Teens in AI, and asks what will it take to inspire the next Ada Lovelace or Rosalind Franklin? We'll be releasing more bonus episodes throughout March and April and season 3 will be landing this summer.

Student Takeover - "Our Lives And Tech" Dec 20, 2018

For this episode we worked closely with students from schools in Johannesburg in South Africa, Virginia in the United States, and London in the UK. The student were given a simple brief to produce a story about how technology has impacted their lives. In the first story Hannah and Csarina abandon social media and get their news from a more 'traditional' method. They did something they've never done before. They bought a newspaper. Find out what surprised them and what they learned by flicking through the pages of a British daily newspaper. The second story is a piece of fiction, written, acted and produced by Sophie, Justin and Ethan. Growing up under the shadow of a nuclear power plant, the students wanted a story that helped the listener get a sense of the fears they've lived with all their lives. The final story comes from Tebogo, Amo, Tariq, Zewande, Lethabo and Zanele who speak to a teacher and students from their school about how technology has improved the way they learn and the way they communicate. They also discuss some of the ways technology has had a negative impact on their lives. For full show notes go to neverthelesspodcast.com

Diversity Is What You Say, Inclusion Is What You Do Dec 13, 2018

In this episode of Nevertheless Tracy Chou, Jyoti Chopra, and Anjali Ramachandran discuss frameworks, metrics and intersectionality, and ask the hard questions about diversity and inclusion. The podcast was recorded at a live event held in London in November 2018, and was a collaboration between Ada's List and Nevertheless. The event was hosted by Anjali Ramachandran, co-founder of Ada's List, a global community of those who identify as women in tech. Anjali is joined by Tracy Chou and Jyoti Chopra. Tracy is a Software Engineer who has worked at Quora and Pinterest and is well known for her work pushing for diversity in tech. Tracy is now a founding member of Project Include, and is focused on driving solutions in the space. Jyoti is Senior Vice President and Global Leader of Diversity & Inclusion at Pearson. She is a member of the Board of Advisors at Toyota Motor Company, and previously held prominent positions at Deloitte, Merrill Lynch and BNY Mellon. ---

Half The Story Nov 29, 2018

In this episode we ask whether being a YouTuber or influencer is a viable career, and hear the stories of three people who were forced to make big life changes when the pressure of feeding a social algorithm became too much. We hear from a fashion influencer who grew tired of only telling half the story. We talk to a mother whose young daughter felt pressured to maintain a YouTube channel by her record label. And we speak to a videogames YouTuber who struggled to cope with the constant flow of comments.

The Human Factor Nov 10, 2018

As technology plays a greater role in the workplace how can we ensure the future of work values humanity? The world of work is changing. Technology is undoubtedly driving a lot of that change. But technology is nothing without people. While conversations are had about the development of automation and AI into the workplace, it's essential we don't forget the human factor. If the pace of change continues the idea of 'a job for life' may become a rarity as people will have to develop new skills throughout their working lives. In this episode we talk to students thinking about their futures, educators helping women develop new skills later in life, and workers whose day is controlled by an algorithm via an app.

Straight Roads Don't Make Skillful Drivers Oct 25, 2018

In this episode we hear one story from one person, Kate Edwards. Kate tells the story of a day when her life changed forever. On a train heading to London, at just 23 weeks and 5 days pregnant, Kate went into labour. What follows is her story of that day. It's a story about efficacy in medicine and what can be learned and applied in the field of education and beyond. It's about the importance of having diverse teams and the power of focusing on outcomes. And it's about what can be achieved when using evidence to deliver those outcomes. It also tells another tale. It's the story of someone who at the time felt they had personally and physically failed - and what they went on to do next. We just want to give listeners a little heads up. There are moments in this story that some people might find upsetting.

Imagination - Where Science Meets Art Oct 11, 2018

For many young people who are making decisions about their future, science and art have always been seen as opposites. It's a choice between one or the other. Rarely both. But as Albert Einstein once said "The greatest scientists are artists as well." Innovators are able to imagine the unimaginable thanks to the marriage of science and art. In this episode we examine the role of science and art in imagination and education, and talk to seven remarkable women who are bridging the divide. From a neuroscience professor using stand-up comedy to help people understand the brain, to a Hollywood actress and scientist who combines both disciplines in all of her work.

Heather, Megan and Leonor Sep 27, 2018

In this episode we’re looking at resilience, school shootings and activism. We speak to survivors, teachers, neurologists and trauma experts to understand the role tech, institutions and support groups play in building resilience in the aftermath of tragedies like Columbine and Parkland. We’ll be talking about some tough topics this week — school shootings, gun violence, and the experience that lives on via the Internet — and some listener discretion may be advised.

Finding Genius Sep 13, 2018

When it comes to invention and innovation it's important that ideas from a diverse set of people get made. Ideas can come from anyone. But bringing ideas to life rarely happens by lone inventors. They are the result of teams and networks. What happens if you have no access to networks? No entrepreneurs to fund your startup, or alumni to lend a hand? Think of the great innovations that never happen. How many amazing innovations have been lost simply because no-one listened? In this episode, we discuss lost potential, and how we identify and nurture talent in young people when the odds are stacked against them.

The First Click Aug 30, 2018

In this episode, we discuss trust and the Internet. When it comes to technology being used at home and in the classroom, who — or what — are we entrusting our children to, and what is the role of parents and teachers in guiding children through this new age of technological complexity?

STEM Role Models Aug 16, 2018

In this episode we discuss how STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering and Mathematics) role models from all walks of life are essential for young people, and what needs to be done to ensure that those who want to be it, can see it.

Nevertheless Season 2 Trailer Aug 13, 2018

Season 2 of Nevertheless starts Thursday 16th August. In Season 2 we’ll be asking the difficult questions around our relationship with technology in education. We will be highlighting the achievements of the brilliant women using technology to make a better future for learners. And give a voice to the young people whose lives are being immediately affected by modern day events and technology.

When Good Intentions Aren't Enough Dec 20, 2017

Good intent is nice, and goes a long way sometimes — but if the result of good intentions is a bad outcome, then whatever the intent, it’s kind of irrelevant. Unfortunately there are plenty of examples of good intentions paired with bad outcomes. In this episode we look at a failed product that excited everyone — except the people who had to use it. We chat to women who are working closely with users and communities and analysing data to ensure their tech solutions solve real problems. And we discuss the difference between forcing change, and encouraging it; between assuming you know what people need and asking them in advance.

The Right To Learn Dec 14, 2017

In this episode we look at how to most effectively bring education — a key human right — to the displaced and those in conflict zones around the world. We speak to women who are trying to answer that question in innovative ways — from the software companies battling it out for Silicon Valley’s $15 million Global Learning XPRIZE, to the low-tech approach to teacher training in Lebanon by a nonprofit backed by Syrian expats. We speak to Brookings’ Rebecca Winthrop — a senior fellow and director of the Center for Universal Education — about her latest report Can Education Innovation Help us Leapfrog Progress? We then chat to Emily Musil Church from the X-Prize about their Global Learning Prize. Fathima Dada tells us about some of the frugal innovation initiative Pearson Education are running at the moment. And finally we meet Suha Tutunji director of the Jusoor Refugee Education program in Lebanon who talks about her low tech approach to teacher training.

Building The Workplace We Want Nov 20, 2017

In this episode we look at the changing workplace and how you build a tech company for the future that enables career progression for all genders. We look at the story of Sarah Bagley, activist and the first female telegraph operator in the United States. We also speak to Dan Godsall of Womba about returning to work after maternity leave, Sigma's Elizabeth Buie about designing for our future selves, transgender rights attorney Jillian Weiss about the changing workplace and Rose Luckin, Professor of Learner Centred Design at UCL Knowledge Lab about how employers need to take more of a holistic approach to understanding the needs of its employees.

TechNuns, DOLS, And Erasing Kittens Oct 30, 2017

We hear from an edtech innovator bringing children into the design process to shape future classroom tools, whilst at the same time instilling in them an innovators mindset. We meet the team that won MIT’s Women and Tech Solve Challenge. We're introduced to an educator who is using hackdays to help children develop emotional intelligence. And we find out what the Dirty Old Ladies of Software are all about.

Garbage In. Garbage Out. Oct 11, 2017

From racist hand dryers to sexist search suggestions, there's plenty of examples of how software products have gender and racial bias built in. Why is that tech companies who may have diversity initiatives in place still struggle to produce ethical software products?

Coming soon Oct 03, 2017

Nevertheless takes a close look at the innovation that happens in ed-tech focusing on the women that drive innovation whilst telling the stories of other female tech innovators.

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