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    Nevermind the Music

    The podcast about the songs you love and why you love them! Join us each week as two friends, one a music professor and one a psychology professor, hang out and deep dive about one iconic song. Laugh and learn with us about songwriting, the brain, and pop culture.

    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com and check us out on social media @NeverMusicPod

    Join the Nevermind the Music Discord channel by visiting https://discord.gg/xdN4XCdtxU or thelorehounds.com

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    Nevermind the Music is published by the Lorehounds

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    Copyright: © copyright (c) 2024 Mark Popeney and Nichole Vatcher. All rights reserved.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Sidetrack - 100th Episode Extravaganza! (with David Lorehound) Jul 21, 2026
    Show notes

    How are we still doing this thing? To celebrate our 100th(ish) episode, we’ve brought in a heavy hitter: returning guest David from the Lorehounds. David picks our brains about our first two seasons, talking topics like our friendship, what we’ve learned from podcasting, conversations with our listeners, and why musicians always pretend to know albums they’ve never heard. Here’s looking forward to 200!


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


    Nevermind the Music is part of The Lorehounds Network. Join the Nevermind the Music Discord channel by visiting thelorehounds.com


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    ‘You Oughta Know” by Alanis Morissette and Raging Syncopation Jul 14, 2026
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    What did Uncle Joey do to make someone this mad? This week, our hosts tackle Alanis Morissette’s 1995 breakup anthem “You Oughta Know.” Mark tries to draw a straight line between the intensity of Alanis’s emotions and how unhinged the song’s rhythms are… before taking an opportunity to majorly over-share on mic. Nichole takes us through the four levels of anger…. the higher the better?


    Other music heard in this episode: The Clash - “Should I Stay or Should I Go”, Juice WRLD - “Used To”, Fran Jeffries - “It Had Better Be Tonight”, Bruno Mars - “I Just Might”, Alanis Morissette - “Your House”, Alanis Morissette - “Too Hot”, Alanis Morissette - “All I Really Want”, Alanis Morissette - “Everything”, Alanis Morissette - “Underneath”, Dua Lipa - “IDGAF”, Carole King - “It’s Too Late”, Chappell Roan - “My Kink is Karma”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


    Nevermind the Music is part of The Lorehounds Network. Join the Nevermind the Music Discord channel by visiting thelorehounds.com


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    Sidetrack - Best Artists…. Worst Songs Jul 07, 2026
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    No Stairway? Denied! In this week’s episode, Mark and Nichole share some artists they really love… by sharing some songs they really don’t love by those artists! Please let us know what we got wrong in the Discord or at nevermusicpod@gmail.com.


    Music heard in this episode: The Beach Boys - “Please Let Me Wonder”, The Beach Boys - “When I Grow Up (To Be a Man)”, Stockard Channing - “There are Worse Things I Could Do”, John Travolta and Olivia Newton-John - “You’re the One That I Want”, Michael Jackson - “Will You Be There”, Michael Jackson - “Heal the World”, Justin Bieber - “Love Yourself”, Luis Fonsi - “Despacito (feat. Daddy Yankee and Justin Bieber)”, Dave Matthews Band - “Too Much”, Dave Matthews Band - “Crash Into Me”, Olivia Rodrigo - “All-American Bitch”, Olivia Rodrigo - “drivers license”, R.E.M. - “Orange Crush”, R.E.M. - “Stand”, Queen - “Somebody to Love”, Queen - “Bohemian Rhapsody”, Blink-182 - “Dumpweed”, Blink-182 - “All the Small Things”, Sublime - “Saw Red (feat. Gwen Stefani)”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


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    Bonus! Mark and Jean Talk the New Earth, Wind & Fire Documentary Jul 02, 2026
    Show notes

    Another Questlove doc? That means another bonus episode! Lorehounds contributor Jean joins Mark to talk about the new documentary, Earth, Wind & Fire (To Be Celestial vs That’s the Weight of the World). They talk about the many sides - good and regrettable - of the band’s mastermind, Maurice White, and all the things that went into making this band one of the best to ever do it. We talk funk, disco, hip-hop, and the 70’s like only this band could tie together. Back on schedule next week!


    Music heard in this episode: Earth, Wind & Fire - “Serpentine Fire”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “Jupiter”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “Shining Star”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “The Way You Move (feat. Kenny G)”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “The Way I Feel (feat. Kelly Rowland, Big Boi & Sleepy Brown)”, Kool & The Gang - “Celebration”, Kool & The Gang - “Get Down On It”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “Boogie Wonderland (feat. The Emotions)”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “September”, Earth, Wind & Fire - “Sing a Song”, Westside Gunn - “Kitchen Lights (feat. Stove God Cooks)”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


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    ‘Africa’ by Toto and Why Memories and Chord Progressions are Liars Jun 30, 2026
    Show notes

    Does that love song really remind them of you, or is it actually their previous partner? In this week’s episode, we revel in Toto’s 1982 masterpiece “Africa.” Nichole talks about how our memories play tricks on us, and how different people react to ambiguity. Meanwhile, Mark takes us on another investigation, this time trying to uncover how this song’s iconic riff fits in with the various keys of the song. We dare you to sing along (well) with this chorus!


    Other music heard in this episode: Green Day - “Whatsername”, The Beach Boys - “In My Room”, Don Henley - “The Boys of Summer”, Sublime - “Wrong Way”, Toto - “Dune (Desert Theme)”, Steely Dan - “Black Friday”, Toto - “Hold the Line”, Toto - “I Won’t Hold You Back”, The Bee Gees - “More Than a Woman”, The Beatles - “Something”, The Cardigans - “Lovefool”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


    Nevermind the Music is part of The Lorehounds Network. Join the Nevermind the Music Discord channel by visiting thelorehounds.com


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    Sidetrack - Realizing You Were a Knucklehead (with Rob Harvilla) Jun 23, 2026
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    Have you ever hated a song or an artist only to change your mind later? This week, we are thrilled to welcome rock critic and host of the 60 Songs That Explain the ‘90s podcast, Rob Harvilla. We reveal those embarrassing times we were dead wrong about an iconic artist… and one of us may have put some of those earlier thoughts in print! This fun conversation touches on the performative aspects of hate, evolving musical taste, and even some legendary artists with some rough live shows.


    Music heard in this episode: Mike Watt - “Against the ‘70s (feat. Eddie Vedder)”, Guster - “Homecoming King (Meow Mix)”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


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    ‘Don’t Speak’ by No Doubt and the Chameleon Pivot Jun 16, 2026
    Show notes

    Have you ever had that friend who seemed to change their whole personality each time they had a new relationship? No? Then you’re probably that friend! This week, we vibe with No Doubt’s 1995 radio smash “Don’t Speak.” Nichole argues that No Doubt vocalist Gwen Stefani’s changing styles is a great example of the so-called chameleon effect, while Mark thinks this song has a great example of a cool type of key change. It’s not petty if you use a big word to describe it!


    Other music heard in this episode: No Doubt - “Rock Steady”, No Doubt - “Just a Girl”, No Doubt - “Total Hate”, Matthew Wilder - “Break My Stride”, No Doubt - “Bathwater”, No Doubt - “Trapped in a Box”, No Doubt - “It’s My Life”, J.S. Bach - “Ach Gott, erhör mein Seufzen und Wehklagen,” BWV 254, No Doubt - “Excuse Me Mr.”, No Doubt - “Happy Now?”, No Doubt - “New”, Queen - “We Are the Champions”, Avril Lavigne - “Sk8er Boi”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


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    Sidetrack - Season 2 Mailbag 3 Jun 09, 2026
    Show notes

    Why do violinists hate violists? Is Flipper actually evil? We comb through the listeners’ increasingly deranged questions with another Mailbag episode! Hear listeners test Nichole’s rhythm and shill their music in another fun check-in with our audience.


    Music heard in this episode: Eight Foot Manchild - “Circle of Salt”, Vultures of Culture - “Catch and Release”, Nice & Smooth - “Sometimes I Rhyme Slow”, Dashboard Confessional - “Me and Mine”, Stereolab - “Diagonals”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


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    ‘Luther’ by Kendrick Lamar (feat. SZA) and the Triangular Melodies of Love Jun 02, 2026
    Show notes

    Are things getting a bit companionate or maybe just fatuous? In this episode, we swoon to Kendrick Lamar and Sza’s 2024 slow jam “Luther.” Mark goes gaga over the surprising long-term trajectory of this song’s melody. Since we know our listeners always fall for a good classification system, this week Nichole brings us a good one: the triangular theory of love! The music and psychology pieces are certainly locking lips in this episode.


    Other music heard in this episode: Dionne Warwick - “I Say a Little Prayer”, Taylor Swift - “End Game (feat. Ed Sheeran)”, Rihanna - “Work (feat. Drake)”, Beyoncé - “Crazy in Love (feat. Jay-Z)”, Ariana Grande - “Side by Side (feat. Nicki Minaj)”, Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell - “Ain’t No Mountain High Enough”, Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell - “If This World Were Mine”, Luther Vandross and Cheryl Lynn - “If This World Were Mine”, Cheryl Lynn - “Got to be Real”, Luther Vandross - “Never Too Much”, Luther Vandross - “Here and Now”, Kendrick Lamar - “All the Stars (feat. SZA)”, SZA - “Good Days (feat. Jacob Collier)”, Taylor Swift - “Out of the Woods”, David Guetta - “Turn Me On (feat. Nicki Minaj)”, Ariana Grande - “No Tears Left to Cry”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


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    Sidetrack - How Music Can Control Your Emotions (with Sadie Higgins) May 26, 2026
    Show notes

    What’s the perfect playlist to bring you from rage to bliss? This week, we welcome writer and Tedx speaker Sadie Higgins. Sadie talks to us about how we can use music in our everyday lives to regulate our emotions and find a sense of community. Will Nichole actually sing on-mic? Join us for a fun conversation that proves that [spoiler] music is… good!


    Music heard in this episode: Harry Styles - “Grapejuice”, Harry Styles - “Fine Line”, Next - “Too Close”, 3 Doors Down - “Kryponite”, Buffalo Springfield - “For What It’s Worth”, Beyoncé - “Crazy in Love (feat. Jay-Z)”, HQ Binaural Beats - “Theta Wave 2.0”


    Send us your thoughts at NeverMusicPod@gmail.com


    Nevermind the Music is part of The Lorehounds Network. Join the Nevermind the Music Discord channel by visiting thelorehounds.com


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