Never Contemplated

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Administrative Lawyers: The Coolest People Sep 28, 2026

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Join us for a conversation with Elizabeth Fernandez, Chair of the Administrative Law Section, and Judge Hetal Desai, as they explore the unique practice of administrative law in Florida. Ms. Fernandez explains what Water Management Districts do, why water law is so important to the state, and how to foster a collaborative office culture. She also shares the importance of participating in non-legal volunteer opportunities (like scrubbing the turtle tank at Mote Aquarium). Whether you practice or are interested in administrative or environmental law—or simply appreciate Florida’s remarkable aquatic resources—this is an episode you won’t want to miss.

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #260063

Pick it and Stick It Jul 10, 2026

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Join us for this fresh reboot of Never Contemplated where our host Judge Hetal Desai talks to Judge Carrie Ann Wozniak, the incoming Chair of The Florida Bar Appellate Court Rules Committee. Listen to Judge Wozniak discuss the importance of travel, what it is like to be a judge in the newest appellate district, and why young attorneys should do pro bono and guardian ad litem work. Judge Wozniak gives us tips on writing (keep it short), re-writing (edit, edit, edit), and preparing for oral argument (overprepare but treat it like a conversation). This episode is a great kick off to what should be an educational and entertaining new season.

Links to Guardian Ad Litem and Appellate Law Section:

https://guardianadlitem.org/

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https://flabarappellate.org/

https://www.floridabar.org/about/cmtes/cmtes-cm/cmte-cm205/

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hour of General and 0.5 hour of Professionalism. CLE credit Course #9930

The Practice of Law May be Different Than You Imagined Sep 05, 2024

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Listen to our episode with Magie Ozarowski, the new host of the On Civility podcast. Judge Desai and Ms. Ozarowski talk about what it’s like to be a government attorney, to regulate alcohol, to be a Fellow in The Florida Bar's Leadership Academy, and to explore the world.

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8694.

Never Contemplated with Renée E. Thompson Chair-Elect of The Florida Bar’s Solo & Small Firm Section Jun 27, 2024

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Enjoy this interactive session as our host, Judge Hetal Desai talks with Renée E. Thompson Chair of The Florida Bar’s Solo & Small Firm Section as they discuss the many benefits of section membership. CLE #8573 .5 Professionalism and General Credit.

Committee Work -Collaborating to Create a Better World for Colleagues and Florida Families Apr 16, 2024

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In this episode of Never Contemplated, host Judge Hetal Desai talks with two distinguished members of The Florida Bar’s Family Law Section, Sarah Kay, and Shannon Novey. Tune in as they share their expertise and shed light on the intricacies of this multifaceted legal field.

CLE Number: 8460

Immerse Yourself and Just Get Involved - Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters Jan 23, 2024

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Meet Victoria Heuler and Sarah Butters, leaders of the Florida Bar’s Elder Law and Real Property Probate and Trust Law (RPPTL) Sections. Learn about the differences and similarities between these practice areas, and the professional and practical benefits to joining a Bar Section.

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8306.

Links:

The Florida Bar RPPTL Section

Elder Law Section of the Florida Bar (eldersection.org)

Surround Yourself with Amazing People - Rebecca Bandy Nov 30, 2023

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This episode is a true holiday gift. Enjoy this interactive recording with Judge Hetal Desai and Rebecca Bandy, Director of the Henry Latimer Center for Professionalism at The Florida Bar, where they discuss her story and legal professionalism live from the National Association of Administrative Law Judiciary Conference in Tampa, Florida.

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8231.

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It’s a much more gratifying way of life when you are serving others - Justice Meredith Sasso Oct 18, 2023

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Meet Justice Meredith Sasso, the newest member of the Florida Supreme Court. Listen to her conversation with Judge Hetal Desai about growing up in the capital city, what being on a sports team taught her, Guardian Ad Litem (https://guardianadlitem.org/), the creation and workings of the 6^th DCA, and the importance of the Bar’s rules committees.

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.0 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #8182.

The Ability to Read the Room is as Important as the Ability to Read the Law - Alexis Fowler Aug 18, 2023

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Enjoy this interactive session with Judge Desai and Alexis Fowler, Government Relations Director at Moffitt Cancer Center in Tampa, where they discuss her survival story and the importance of giving back.

This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 1.5 hour of General CLE credit, and 1.0 hour of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7916.

Recognize Your Own Talents - Melanie S. Griffin Apr 26, 2023

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Enjoy this speed session with Judge Desai and Secretary of the Department of Business and Professional Regulation (DBPR), where they discuss mentorship, the FSU J.D./M.B.A. program, evaluating life-work balance in the long term, getting over imposter syndrome, the workings of DBPR, and the Secretary’s personal story of motherhood.

http://www.myfloridalicense.com/dbpr/

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This podcast has been approved by The Florida Bar Continuing Legal Education Department for 0.5 hours of General CLE credit, and 0.5 hours of Professionalism CLE credit. Course #7463.

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