Nature vs Narcissism

13 Days of Halloween - FINALE (Caleb, Ollie, Jason, Mack, & Heather) Oct 31, 2024

FINALE
As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode started out with Caleb & Ollie…then moved to Jason & Mack, and closed out with Heather & Jason. This episode was a BLAST. And there were VERY weird items eaten…
Yes, you guys finally get to see Jason. He is real. He is not a cryptid LOL.
HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!!!
PLEASE send us all the photos of your costumes!!!!

Crimetober Series - October 31 (Liske Family Murders) Oct 31, 2024

Day 31 of the Crimetober Series is about the Liske family murders, which occurred on October 31, 2010.
Sources
https://www.brainjet.com/random/1566961/crimes-committed-on-halloween/
http://www.sanduskyregister.com/story/201011220001
https://www.wvnstv.com/digital-desk/infamous-halloween-murders/amp/
https://www.businessinsider.com/murders-halloween-night-2018-10
https://alabamabioclean.com/frightening-crimes-that-happen-on-halloween/
https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-31-f75c4e3537e0

Crimetober Series - October 30 (Martha Moxley's Murder) Oct 30, 2024

Day 30 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Martha Moxley, which occurred on October 30, 1975.
Sources
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Martha_Moxley
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/who-killed-martha-moxley/
https://www.oxygen.com/murder-and-justice-the-case-of-martha-moxley
https://marthamoxley.com/
https://www.nytimes.com/topic/person/martha-moxley "Moxley Case: Who is Michael Skakel?". cnn.com. December 31, 2007. Archived from the original on August 10, 2014.

13 Days of Halloween (Puppaween) Oct 30, 2024

PUPPAWEEN!!!
As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we like to throw in some extra TREATS and give you fun episodes that are not all about eating things. For this episode, Heather & Becca brought in the DOGGOS!!!!! We wanted Gizmo, Luna Bear, and Rocket to try on Halloween costumes, eat some treats, and wear their cute little bandanas! ENJOY THE CHAOS OF CUTENESS!!!

Crimetober Series - October 29 (The Murder of Tina Marie Harmon) Oct 30, 2024

Day 29 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Tina Marie Harmon, which occurred on October 29, 1981.
Sources
https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-29-8563274bcf05
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Tina_Harmon
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/7366324/tina_marie-harmon
Renner, James (December 30, 2008). "Ghosts Of Wayne County Doubts Haunt An Old Murder And The Execution That Followed". Cleveland Scene.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Krista_Harrison
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Anthony_Buell

Crimetober Series - October 28 (Gloria Gonzales & The Texas Killing Fields) Oct 30, 2024

Day 28 of the Crimetober Series is about the disappearance of Gloria Ann Gonzales, which occurred on October 28, 1971, and the other Texas Killing Fields’ victims.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-28-da18ea0757e7
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/33354927/gloria_ann-gonzales
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Killing_Fields
https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/seeking-information-in-unsolved-killing-fields-murders-091819
https://www.newsweek.com/texas-killing-fields-victims-families-parents-netflix-1765359
https://www.houstonpublicmedia.org/articles/news/2017/10/18/243184/investigators-think-they-know-who-killed-eleven-girls-around-galveston-in-the-1970s-2/
The Generation Why Podcast coverage:
https://podcasts.apple.com/ro/podcast/texas-killing-fields/id541481026?i=1000367853410

Crimetober Series - October 27 (Fort Bragg Shooting) Oct 30, 2024

Day 27 of the Crimetober Series is about the mass shooting at Fort Bragg, which occurred on October 27, 1995.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.nytimes.com/1996/06/13/us/paratrooper-sentenced-to-death-for-sniper-attack-at-fort-bragg.html
https://www.army.mil/article-amp/18701/judge_sets_sentence_for_bragg_shooting_spree
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Kreutzer_Jr.https://www.armfor.uscourts.gov/newcaaf/opinions/2011SepTerm/11-0231.pdf
https://www.nbcnews.com/id/wbna29644671
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/local/1996/05/31/family-says-army-knew-of-sons-troubles/b09fe454-0848-4abb-81b6-f2679e87e8ac/
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/caaf/04-5006-AR/04-5006-AR-2005-08-16.html
https://abc11.com/archive/6704183/
https://www.fayobserver.com/story/news/military/2015/10/26/20-years-ago-chaos-at/22272995007/

13 Days of Halloween (Heather & Ollie_ Part 2) Oct 29, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Heather & Ollie (part 2)

Crimetober Series - October 26 (The Murder of Sylvia Likens) Oct 29, 2024

Day 26 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of 16-year-old Sylvia Likens which occurred on October 26, 1965.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Sylvia_Likens
https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-26-6faa834dc0a3
https://sylviascac.org/sylvias-story/
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/history/retroindy/2013/10/24/sylvia-likens/3178393/
https://indyencyclopedia.org/sylvia-likens-murder-case/
https://www.indystar.com/story/news/crime/2015/10/23/indianapolis-most-sadistic-act-sylvia-likens-gertrude-baniszewski-torture-slaying-indianapolis-news-indianapolis-crime-crime-horror-torture/74209878/
https://sylviascac.org/sylvias-story/
Dean, John (2008). House of Evil: The Indiana Torture Slaying. United States of America: St. Martin's Paperbacks. ISBN 978-0-312-94699-9.

Crimetober Series - October 25 (Gangster Albert Anastasia & John Carpenter's Halloween) Oct 29, 2024

Day 25 of the Crimetober Series is a two-fer about the day that notorious gangster Albert Anastasia was killed, which occurred on October 25, 1957 and the day premiere of John Carpenter’s film ‘Halloween’, which occurred on October 25, 1978.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.thisdaytrivia.com/trivia/october-25
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/59788/15-terrifying-facts-about-john-carpenters-halloween
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0077651/trivia/
https://www.businessinsider.com/halloween-horror-movie-interesting-things-to-know-2021-10
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_Anastasia#:~:text=to%20avenge%20Frank.-,Death,walk%20outside%2C%20leaving%20him%20unprotected.
https://themobmuseum.org/timeline_events/albert-anastasia-killed/
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Albert-Anastasia
https://allthatsinteresting.com/albert-anastasia
https://www.loc.gov/item/2021638459/
https://www.britannica.com/topic/Murder-Inc-American-crime-syndicate
Raab, Selwyn (2005). Five Families: The Rise, Decline, and Resurgence of America's Most Powerful Mafia Empires. New York: St. Martin Press. ISBN 0-312-30094-8.
"RACKET CHIEF SLAIN BY GANGSTER GUNFIRE; Giuseppe Masseria, Known as Joe the Boss, Shot Mysteriously in Coney Island Cafe."BIGGER THAN AL CAPONE" Police Say He Was Leader in Every Kind of Racket--He Escaped Death Many Times. Shooting Still a Mystery. RACKET CHIEF SLAIN BY GANG'S GUNFIRE Became Leader as Youth. Escaped Second Ambush". The New York Times. April 16, 1931.
Pollak, Michael (June 29, 2012). "Coney Island's Big Hit". The New York Times.

13 Days of Halloween (Heather & Becca) Oct 28, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Heather & Becca.

Crimetober Series - October 24 (The Plane Almost Went Down) Oct 27, 2024

Day 24 of the Crimetober Series is about the day that Joseph David Emerson almost took down an entire plane, which occurred on October 24, 2023.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/05/us/oregon-indictment-off-duty-pilot-engine-incident/index.html#:~:text=Off%2Dduty%20pilot%20Joseph%20D,a%20plane's%20engines%20mid%2Dflight.&text=Joseph%20Emerson%2C%20the%20Alaska%20Airlines,in%20an%20Oregon%20court%20Tuesday.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-tried-cut-planes-engines-released-jail-rcna128680
https://www.opb.org/article/2023/12/07/judge-says-ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-who-tried-to-cut-planes-engines-can-be-released-before-trial/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/23/us/alaska-airlines-flight-diverted.html
https://nypost.com/2024/08/24/world-news/ex-alaska-airlines-pilot-joseph-emerson-who-tried-to-down-flight-while-on-magic-mushrooms-trip-wants-to-fly-again/

13 Days of Halloween (Heather & Jake) Oct 27, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Heather & Jake.

Crimetober Series - October 23 (Doctor Slepian's Murder) Oct 27, 2024

Day 23 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Doctor Barnett Slepian’s murder which occurred on October 23, 1998.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/october-23-video
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/an-abortion-performing-doctor-is-murdered
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC1169315/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/national/longterm/abortviolence/stories/sniper.htm
https://buffalonews.com/news/local/the-murder-of-barnett-slepian-25-years-later/collection_7fffe252-7018-11ee-974a-ff166aeeb020.html

Crimetober Series - October 22 (Dr. Crippen Was Innocent) Oct 27, 2024

Day 22 of the Crimetober Series is about the OJ Simpson case of 1910, in which the trial wrapped up on October 22, 1910. Dr. Crippen was hanged for a murder he did not commit.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://thehistorypress.co.uk/article/the-notorious-case-of-dr-crippen/
http://news.msu.edu/media/documents/2011/01/3cda8882-265b-4282-9eba-a13d880f09a2.pdf
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawley_Harvey_Crippen https://www.pbs.org/wnet/secrets/hawley-crippen/199/
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-10802059
https://www.historytoday.com/archive/execution-dr-crippen
http://news.msu.edu/media/documents/2011/01/3cda8882-265b-4282-9eba-a13d880f09a2.pdf
https://www.discoveryuk.com/mysteries/who-was-dr-crippen-and-what-did-he-do/

Crimetober Series - October 21 (Rust Film Shooting) Oct 27, 2024

Day 21 of the Crimetober Series is about the “Rust” film shooting which occurred on October 21, 2021.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rust_shooting_incident
https://www.nytimes.com/article/alec-baldwin-shooting-investigation.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-64824526
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/rust-shooting-timeline-alec-baldwin-halyna-hutchins/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/rust-film-set-shooting

Crimetober Series - October 20 (Anne Pressly's Beating & Death) Oct 27, 2024

Day 20 of the Crimetober Series is about the brutal beating of Anne Pressly which occurred on October 20, 2008 and led to her eventual death.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-20-5a31d2bb6742
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/anchorwoman-anne-pressly-beaten-to-death-with-garden-tool-by-curtis-lavelle-vance-says-detective/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Pressly
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/anne-pressly-guilty-verdict-anchorwoman-murder-curtis-vance/story?id=9057397
https://apps.ark.org/inmate_info/search.php?dcnum=146095&a=1&CRIME=01&RUN=47&disclaimer=1

Crimetober Series - October 19 (DeLorean's Arrest) Oct 26, 2024

Day 19 of the Crimetober Series is about the arrest of John Z DeLorean which occurred on October 19, 1982.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/john-z-delorean-is-arrested-in-24-million-cocaine-deal
https://m.imdb.com/name/nm1359338/bio/
https://detroithistorical.org/learn/encyclopedia-of-detroit/delorean-john

13 Days of Halloween (Mack & Caleb) Oct 26, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Mack & Caleb.

13 Days of Halloween (Heather & Courtney) Oct 25, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Heather and Courtney.

13 Days of Halloween (Heather & Chelsea) Oct 24, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Heather and Chelsea.

Crimetober Series - October 18 (Balloon Boy Hoax) Oct 24, 2024

Day 18 of the Crimetober Series is about the day that law enforcement determined that the Balloon Boy incident was a hoax which occurred on October 18, 2009.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://abcnews.go.com/GMA/News/10-years-balloon-boy-family-denounce-idea-saucer/story?id=66604256 https://www.cpr.org/2020/12/23/colorado-balloon-boy-parents-pardoned-governor-polis/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balloon_boy_hoax https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-18-60373ccdede0

Crimetober Series - October 17 (The Execution Date of Robert Roberson III) Oct 24, 2024

Day 17 of the Crimetober Series is about the scheduled execution of Robert Roberson III, which was set for October 17, 2024. Please listen to the full episode for the update and to see how you can help!
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://innocenceproject.org/what-to-know-about-robert-roberson-on-texas-death-row-for-a-crime-that-never-occurred/
https://www.cnn.com/2024/10/13/us/robert-roberson-execution-shaken-baby-syndrome/index.html https://time.com/7086477/robert-roberson-execution-date-texas-appeals/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Roberson_case
https://www.tdcj.texas.gov/death_row/dr_info/robersonrobert.html https://www.tpr.org/criminal-justice/2024-10-11/robert-roberson-loses-appeal-to-stop-texas-from-executing-him-based-on-debunked-shaken-baby-syndrome https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/tag/robert-roberson
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/01/11/robert-roberson-texas-death-penalty-shaken-baby/
https://www.witnesstoinnocence.org/single-post/robert-roberson https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/09/15/texas-shaken-baby-syndrome-baby-death-robert-roberson
OCTOBER 23, 2024 UPDATE - STAY OF EXECUTION - https://www.cbs19.tv/article/news/local/ken-paxton-responds-recent-hearings-regarding-east-texas-death-row-inmate-robert-roberson/501-e1748e02-bf8d-4add-83ad-ec2e77131e49
SIGN THE PETITION - https://innocenceproject.org/petitions/justice-for-robert-roberson/

Crimetober Series - October 16 (Planned Parenthood, Birth Control, & Attacks) Oct 24, 2024

Day 16 of the Crimetober Series is about the opening of the first Planned Parenthood which occurred on October 16, 1916.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.justice.gov/crt/recent-cases-violence-against-reproductive-health-care-providers https://kidskonnect.com/history-timeline/october/day-16/ https://www.plannedparenthood.org/about-us/who-we-are/our-history https://www.history.com/news/birth-control-pill-history-puerto-rico-enovid

13 Days of Halloween (Heather & Ollie) Oct 23, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Heather and Ollie.

13 Days of Halloween (Kim & Ollie) Oct 22, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Kim and Ollie.

13 Days of Halloween (Kim & Chris) Oct 21, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Kim and Chris.

13 Days of Halloween (Kim's Art) Oct 20, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we like to throw in some extra TREATS and give you fun episodes that are not all about eating things. For this episode, Heather brought back her sister Kim for a special patreon-exclusive video where Kim showcases some of her artwork! You will get the audio on the main feed but the video is on Patreon only! So, sign up today!
Where to find Kim:
https://www.instagram.com/wolfpenart/?hl=en (@wolfpenart) on Instagram
https://www.etsy.com/shop/WolfPenArt (@WolfPenArt) on Etsy
https://www.tiktok.com/@kimmy_rue (@kimmy_rue) on TikTok
Want to support an indie artist?
Donate via VENMO:@Kim-Ruark-2
Are you in the Cincinnati area? Come to her Halloween show:
https://www.facebook.com/events/1199100294546167/
Halloween (10/31/24)
5pm-1:30am
The Comet
4579 Hamilton Avenue,
Cincinnati, Ohio 45223

Crimetober Series - October 15 (Arthur Eggers' Execution) Oct 19, 2024

Day 15 of the Crimetober Series is about the execution of Arthur Eggers which occurred on October 15, 1948
*I apologize for the late release*
Sources
https://www.historynet.com/today-in-history/october-15/ https://calisphere.org/item/ded131fbe62edc8222abb38fa01c3af7/ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/132455604/dorothy-armand-eggers https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/ca-supreme-court/1794358.html

13 Days of Halloween (Jake & Becca) Oct 19, 2024

As part of our 13 Days of Halloween - we added a series called Tricks N’ Treats! This series includes a video on Patreon where Heather and her guests blindly try weird/odd/different snacks and drinks. Each episode will include at least 3 snacks and at least 3 drinks that are rated on a scale of 1 (worst) to 6 (best). Each number in the scale is a particular Halloween candy.
The Scale:

6 - Reese’s Pumpkins
5 - M&M’s
4 - Caramel Apple Lollipops
3 - Skittles
2 - Smarties
1 - Mary Jane Peanut Butter Kisses

Today’s episode was Jake and Becca.

Crimetober Series - October 14 (The Amityville Case) Oct 18, 2024

Day 14 of the Crimetober Series is about the Amityville case; which the trial began on October 14, 1975.
I apologize for the late release
Sources
https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/trial-begins-in-amityville-murders
https://www.biography.com/crime/the-real-amityville-horror-facts
https://suntup.press/the-amityville-horror/
The Night the DeFeos Died: Reinvestigating the Amittyville Murders by Ric Osuna
The Real Amityville Horror: The True Story Behind the Brutal DeFeo Murders by Frances J Armstrong

Crimetober Series - October 13 (Helen Claire Frost & Angela Marie Samota) Oct 14, 2024

Day 13 of the Crimetober Series is about the disappearance of Helen Claire Frost that occurred on October 13, 1970 & the murder of Angela Marie Samota that occurred on October 13, 1984.
Sources
https://vocal.media/criminal/the-disappearance-of-helen-claire-frost https://int-missing.fandom.com/wiki/Helen_Frost https://www.instagram.com/p/C8-pzKdSVpo/?img_index=1 https://www.doenetwork.org/cases/254dfbc.html https://medium.com/@DaniBujold/a-teen-disappears-only-months-after-giving-birth-helen-claire-frost-1970-1c73ab9432c0 https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/2017/10/15/from-the-archives-architect-suspected-of-smu-sorority-student-s-murder-cleared-in-surprise-twist/?outputType=amp https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-10-15-mn-50376-story.html https://vocal.media/criminal/the-disappearance-of-helen-claire-frost https://www.dallasnews.com/arts-entertainment/2017/10/15/from-the-archives-architect-suspected-of-smu-sorority-student-s-murder-cleared-in-surprise-twist/?outputType=amp https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1994-10-15-mn-50376-story.html

Crimetober Series - October 12 (John Dillinger's Escape) Oct 13, 2024

Day 12 of the Crimetober Series is about John Dillinger’s jail escape that occurred on October 12, 1933.
**Oops! Heather had one job and she still messed it up! Sorry everyone! Heather traveled to Nashville for her birthday and forgot to schedule the week of October 7th’s episodes ahead of time! So, you’re getting this a tad late, but you’re still getting it!
Sources
https://www.thisdaytrivia.com/trivia/october-12 https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/john-dillinger https://archives.fbi.gov/archives/news/stories/2009/july/dillinger_072209 https://www.fbi.gov/image-repository/dillinger-io.jpeg/image_view_fullscreen https://www.history.com/news/10-things-you-may-not-know-about-john-dillinger

Crimetober Series - October 11 (Sleepy Sickness & Nessie) Oct 13, 2024

Day 11 of the Crimetober Series is about the plague known as “sleepy sickness”, with a connection to October 11, 1921 and the end of a search for the Loch Ness Monster that occurred on October 11, 1987.
**Oops! Heather had one job and she still messed it up! Sorry everyone! Heather traveled to Nashville for her birthday and forgot to schedule the week of October 7th’s episodes ahead of time! So, you’re getting this a tad late, but you’re still getting it!
Sources
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-a-long-ago-epidemic-teaches-us-about-sleep/ https://www.thepeoplehistory.com/october11th.html https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/Movement-disorders-associated-with-encephalitis-A-Vilensky-Goetz/42353c5d8842eb1c2abc38386d33650d043feae4 https://rarediseases.info.nih.gov/diseases/6332/encephalitis-lethargica https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16536352/ https://www.encephalitis.info/types-of-encephalitis/other/encephalitis-lethargica/ http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/october/11/newsid_3166000/3166741.stm#:~:text=BBC%20ON%20THIS%20DAY%20%7C%2011,ends%20for%20Loch%20Ness%20monster&text=A%20major%20sonar%20exploration%20of,equipment%20to%20scan%20the%20lake. https://www.britannica.com/topic/Loch-Ness-monster-legendary-creature https://voi.id/en/memori/93336

Interview with the Author - Bruce LeMaster (The Wolf & The Killer: Volume 1) PART 2 Oct 11, 2024

BONUS EPISODE!!!!
In this Bonus episode, Heather sits down with author Bruce LeMaster to discuss his recently released book “The Wolf & The Killer: Volume 1”. This was one of the most intriguing interviews that Heather has had on the show and can’t wait to hear your thoughts! Please be sure to let us know what you think of it and if you’ve read this book or ANY of Bruce’s books; we’d love to hear your thoughts! Feel free to email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.
Check out Bruce on all the things!!!
Killers Crawlspace Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/killers-crawlspace/id1320351957
Linktr.ee: https://linktr.ee/killerscrawlspace
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/killerscrawlspace/
TikTok Page: @brucethemaster
YouTube Page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0g7rnvdaAyVVCp7q2rlQbg
Amazon Link to this book: https://www.amazon.com/Wolf-Killer-1-Bruce-LeMaster-ebook/dp/B0CW1Q8DQG/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=nZj7j&content-id=amzn1.sym.f76d456a-cb0d-44de-b7b0-670c26ce80ba&pf_rd_p=f76d456a-cb0d-44de-b7b0-670c26ce80ba&pf_rd_r=144-3452786-7506228&pd_rd_wg=6Zu3w&pd_rd_r=09028f5d-a224-46d0-91fb-75a2b5b86fdc&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
Amazon Link to Bruce’s page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Bruce-LeMaster/author/B08PCLFD4C?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Interview with the Author - Bruce LeMaster (The Wolf & The Killer: Volume 1) PART 1 Oct 11, 2024

BONUS EPISODE!!!!
In this Bonus episode, Heather sits down with author Bruce LeMaster to discuss his recently released book “The Wolf & The Killer: Volume 1”. This was one of the most intriguing interviews that Heather has had on the show and can’t wait to hear your thoughts! Please be sure to let us know what you think of it and if you’ve read this book or ANY of Bruce’s books; we’d love to hear your thoughts! Feel free to email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.
Check out Bruce on all the things!!!
Killers Crawlspace Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/killers-crawlspace/id1320351957
Linktr.ee: https://linktr.ee/killerscrawlspace
Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/killerscrawlspace/
TikTok Page: @brucethemaster
YouTube Page: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC0g7rnvdaAyVVCp7q2rlQbg
Amazon Link to this book: https://www.amazon.com/Wolf-Killer-1-Bruce-LeMaster-ebook/dp/B0CW1Q8DQG/?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_w=nZj7j&content-id=amzn1.sym.f76d456a-cb0d-44de-b7b0-670c26ce80ba&pf_rd_p=f76d456a-cb0d-44de-b7b0-670c26ce80ba&pf_rd_r=144-3452786-7506228&pd_rd_wg=6Zu3w&pd_rd_r=09028f5d-a224-46d0-91fb-75a2b5b86fdc&ref_=aufs_ap_sc_dsk
Amazon Link to Bruce’s page: https://www.amazon.com/stores/Bruce-LeMaster/author/B08PCLFD4C?ref=ap_rdr&isDramIntegrated=true&shoppingPortalEnabled=true

Crimetober Series - October 9 & 10 (Zahra Clare Baker's Disappearance & Tragic Death) Oct 11, 2024

Day 9 and 10 of the Crimetober Series is about the disappearance of Zahra Clare Baker that took place on October 9, 2010. And the arrest of her stepmother on October 10, 2010 - who would eventually be convicted of her murder.
**Oops! Heather had one job and she still messed it up! Sorry everyone! Heather traveled to Nashville for her birthday and forgot to schedule the week of October 7th’s episodes ahead of time! So, you’re getting this a tad late, but you’re still getting it!
Sources
https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-found-zahra-bakers-head-stepmom-charged-murder/story?id=12965946 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Zahra_Baker https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/61900711/zahra_clare-baker https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-9-38196d79b5f8

Crimetober Series - October 8 (Martha Stewart's Sentencing Date) Oct 10, 2024

Day 8 of the Crimetober Series is about Martha Stewart’s sentencing date that took place on October 8, 2004.
**Oops! Heather had one job and she still messed it up! Sorry everyone! Heather traveled to Nashville for her birthday and forgot to schedule the week of October 7th’s episodes ahead of time! So, you’re getting this a tad late, but you’re still getting it!
Sources
https://k1047.com/2021/10/08/5-of-the-weirdest-and-scariest-facts-for-october-8th/ https://genius.com/Billie-holiday-strange-fruit-lyrics https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/wayne/2022/04/26/monica-conyers-run-wayne-county-exec-ban-office/9541868002/ https://www.cbsnews.com/chicago/news/sandi-jackson-released/ https://www.micourthistory.org/justices/diane-hathaway/ https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/13/esther-reed-harvard-fraud-us https://www.justice.gov/usao-ndil/pr/former-chief-executive-chicago-public-schools-sentenced-more-four-years-prison https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha_Stewart#:~:text=Jersey%20City%2C%20New%20Jersey%2C%20U.S.&text=In%202004%2C%20Stewart%20was%20convicted,was%20released%20in%20March%202005.

Crimetober Series - October 7 (Al Capone's Tax Evasion Trial) Oct 10, 2024

Day 7 of the Crimetober Series is about the beginning of Al Capone’s tax evasion trial that began on October 7, 1931.
**Oops! Heather had one job and she still messed it up! Sorry everyone! Heather traveled to Nashville for her birthday and forgot to schedule the week of October 7th’s episodes ahead of time! So, you’re getting this a tad late, but you’re still getting it!
Sources
https://billybirthday.com/fun-facts/10/7 https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/al-capone https://books.google.com/books?id=FiZWrNjIPykC&q=al+capone+prohibition+smugglers+from+canada&pg=PA146#v=snippet&q=al%20capone%20prohibition%20smugglers%20from%20canada&f=false

Crimetober Series - October 6 (The Great Train Robbery) Oct 06, 2024

Day 6 of the Crimetober Series is about the Great Train Robbery that occurred on October 6, 1866.
Sources
https://www.loc.gov/item/today-in-history/october-06/ https://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/first-u-s-train-robbery https://www.in2013dollars.com/us/inflation/1866?amount=13000 https://pinkerton.com/our-story/history https://www.history.com/news/6-daring-train-robberies

Crimetober Series - October 5 (Tammy Corrine Terrell) Oct 05, 2024

Day 5 of the Crimetober Series is about the discovery of Arroyo Grande Jane Doe, now known as the murder of 17-year-old Tammy Corrine Terrell that occurred on October 5, 1980.
Sources
https://www.krqe.com/news/new-mexico/family-speaks-out-after-nevada-cold-case-victim-identified-as-new-mexico-teen/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/tammy-terrell-identified-girl-found-dead-1980-nevada/ https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/11590948/tammy_corrine-terrell https://lasvegassun.com/news/2021/dec/02/henderson-police-id-girl-from-new-mexico-found-dea/ https://www.krqe.com/news/crime/nevada-police-identify-victim-in-40-year-old-homicide-as-roswell-teen/ https://www.insideedition.com/body-of-17-year-old-killed-in-nevada-41-years-ago-has-finally-been-identified-71688 https://sharenm.org/assurance-home-inc/assurance-home https://www.rdrnews.com/news/local/assurance-home-provides-refuge-for-teens/article_44606682-76ab-11ef-b173-17c3ee5932a1.html https://www.astreaforensics.com/new-blog/arroyo-grande-jane-doe-identified-with-astrea-genetic-genealogy-ZRV3n

Crimetober Series - October 4 (Murder of Kimberly Cates) Oct 04, 2024

Day 4 of the Crimetober Series is about the murder of Kimberly Cates that occurred on October 4, 2009.
Sources
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Kimberly_Cates https://www.newspapers.com/image/853858247/?match=1&terms=Kimberly%20Cates https://www.montvernonnh.us/about https://www.newspapers.com/image/360224538/?match=1&terms=Kimberly%20Cates https://www.wmur.com/article/spader-issues-apology-to-mont-vernon-victim-s-family/5181058

Crimetober Series - October 3 (OJ Simpson's Acquittal) Oct 03, 2024

Day 3 of the Crimetober Series is about OJ Simpson’s acquittal that occurred on October 3, 1995.
Sources
https://popculturecrime.medium.com/today-in-true-crime-history-october-3-768517d421d8 https://wtop.com/back-in-the-day/2023/10/today-in-history-october-3-jury-finds-o-j-simpson-not-guilty-of-murder/ https://www.latimes.com/nation/la-oj-anniv-goldman-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1995-10-08-ss-54623-story.html https://www.upi.com/Archives/1995/09/22/Jury-didnt-hear-from-key-witnesses/5953811742400/ https://www.deseret.com/1994/8/14/19125061/time-of-nicole-simpson-call-disputed/ https://www.businessinsider.com/oj-simpson-never-before-seen-crime-scene-photos-2016-6 https://www.pressdemocrat.com/article/news/santa-rosa-woman-who-testified-in-o-j-simpson-trial-reacts-to-his-parole/ https://www.grunge.com/709929/disturbing-details-found-in-ron-goldmans-autopsy-report/

Crimetober Series - October 2 (West Nickel Mines Amish School Shooting) Oct 02, 2024

Day 2 of the Crimetober Series is about the West Nickel Mines Amish School shooting that occurred on October 2, 2006.
TRIGGER WARNING - Discussion of SA and murder of children.
Sources
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/oct/02/amish-shooting-10-year-anniversary-pennsylvania-the-happening https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2021/10/tragedy-at-west-nickel-mines-amish-school-15-years-ago-girls-were-shot-execution-style.html https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Nickel_Mines_School_shooting https://www.dailynews.com/2006/10/04/amish-school-gunman-left-note-of-despair-death-toll-5/ https://apnews.com/article/amish-schoolhouse-shooting-8d9fe215c3b6770ae93bfe586e01c873 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/04/usgunviolence.usa https://www.theage.com.au/world/family-man-who-killed-little-girls-20061004-ge39g1.html https://unofficialnetworks.com/2024/09/29/a-comprehensive-history-of-fat-bear-week/
FAT BEAR WEEK!!!! https://explore.org/fat-bear-week VOTE! VOTE! VOTE!

Crimetober Series - October 1 (Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino Shooting) Oct 01, 2024

Day 1 of the Crimetober Series is about the Mandalay Bay Resort and Casino mass shooting that occurred on October 1, 2017.
Sources
https://apnews.com/article/today-in-history-health-covid-las-vegas-mass-shooting-b9f79df10f908b5de7a1de9faf16aa1c https://www.newspapers.com/image/692248194/?match=1&terms=Mandalay%20Bay%20casino%20hotel%20shooting https://www.newspapers.com/image/878614628/?match=1&terms=Mandalay%20Bay%20casino%20hotel%20shooting https://apnews.com/article/las-vegas-shooter-9bbd180cf3aa6d3ea1a37bbfb7144ae1

Fred & Rosemary West (Part 2) Jul 10, 2024

Join Heather and Brittany in Part 2 of Fred & Rosemary West to see what their thoughts are on Nature, Nurture, and Narcissism. WHY did they commit these heinous crimes? Were they happy in this life together? Did they enjoy being someone else's nightmare? Had they never crossed paths; would they have committed such awful crimes?And what about Fred? Was he manipulating and grooming a child to mold her into the monster he wanted her to be?
Or was Rosemary doomed from the start based on her home life before Fred?
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page!
Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Fred & Rosemary West (Part 1) Jul 08, 2024

TRIGGER WARNING - This episode involves torture, rape, and murder of children. Listener discretion is strongly advised.
Between 1971 and 1987, Fred and Rosemary West abducted, sexually assaulted, tortured, and murdered at least 11 women and girls. Some believe that the number could actually be 30 or more. How did these two individuals decide to kill together? And in such a heinous way? Let’s go back to the beginning, before they ever met one another, and see how their paths crossed one another.
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Lady Killers (Martha Rendell) wKarah Jul 06, 2024

In 1909, 38-year-old Perth, Australian Martha Rendell was tried, convicted, and executed for the murders of her three stepchildren. She was the last woman to be hanged in Western Australia. But how did she do it? And why wasn't she stopped?
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Lady Killers (Jessica McCord) wKarah Jul 04, 2024

Alabama mother Jessica and her ex-husband had a bitter divorce which led to an even more bitter custody battle over their children. In February of 2002, Jessica and her new husband took matters into their own hands by shooting and killing her ex-husband Alan G. Bates, and his new wife Terra Bates. McCord and her husband, former Pelham police officer Jeff Kelley McCord, were charged in the deaths of the Bateses, who were found shot to death and stuffed in the trunk of their burning rental on Feb. 16, 2002, in rural Georgia. She was sentenced to life in prison without parole on April 25, 2003.
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Lady Killers (Susan Lucille Wright) wKarah Jul 02, 2024

Susan was an American murderer from Texas who made headlines in 2003 for stabbing her husband, Jeff Wright, 193 times in an act of matricide and then burying his body in their backyard. But what led to this heinous act of violence? And where is Susan now?
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Lady Killers (Julia Lynn Turner) wKarah Jun 30, 2024

Turner, aka the “Antifreeze Killer” was sentenced to life in prison with no chance of parole on March 27, 2007 for the murder of her husband and later her estranged boyfriend. The circumstances surrounding their deaths were eerily similar and took the victim's mothers to bring forth their concerns for the GBI to dig a little deeper. Turner was found dead in prison on August 30, 2010. Much speculation remains as to whether her death was suicide, or perhaps due to an accidental overdose of prescription blood pressure medication.
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Lady Killers (Misty Witherspoon) wKarah May 03, 2024

Misty Witherspoon was sentenced to life in prison without parole on July 15, 2007 for the shooting death of her police officer husband, for his life insurance. After multiple stories portraying a series of improbable events, police realized that stuff just wasn't adding up and they needed to dig a bit deeper into what actually happened on that fateful day.
Even after the proof showed Misty's guilt and the motive was clear as day...her husband's family AND their church community stood behind her all the way. They didn't believe that she could ever intentionally kill her husband.
What do YOU think?
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Lady Killers (Anna Marie Hahn) wKarah Apr 26, 2024

For those who have been listeners since the start of NVN, you know that the very first episode in 2017 was about Aileen Wuornos. But the recent episodes provide a lot more depth and offer details that we found through documentaries and books that were in Aileen’s words. This truly changed my perspective on the person she was. This made me want to look more into other female killers (some we’ve discussed briefly and others we’ve never talked about on the podcast).
Heather and Karah will be covering some "Lady Killers" in this mini-series. In this episode, we’re going to talk about Anna Marie Hahn.
As a quick summary, Anna Marie Hahn was a 26-year old immigrant from Germany who offered her services in Cincinnati as a live-in attendant for elderly men. Over a period of about a year she would end up taking all she could from 5 victims (all of their assets) before finally murdering them once they had nothing left for her to take.
She used a different poison each time she killed her victims. Once suspicions were raised, police exhumed the bodies of her victims aka her former employers, and she was arrested. Even though it was pretty clear that she was the killer, she still attempted a mercy killing defense…which didn’t pan out. And in 1938, Anna Marie Hahn became the first woman in Ohio’s history to die in the electric chair.

Marie Alexandrine Becker (Part 1 & Part 2) Apr 24, 2024

Marie Alexandrine Baker was classified as a serial killer who would rob and poison her victims in Belgium. Marie began killing at 55 years old, in 1932 and was apprehended in 1936. In the span of 4 years, Marie killed at least 10 people, including her husband, a male lover, and many female customers. For her crimes, Marie was sentenced to life in prison in 1936, only to die 2 years later in 1942.
Since Part 1 was less than 10 minutes; we combined Part 1 and Part 2 for one episode!
If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!

Aileen Wuornos (Part 2) Mar 09, 2024

Join Heather and Brittany in Part 2 of Aileen Wuornos to see what their thoughts are on Nature, Nurture, and Narcissism. WHY did Aileen do what she did? Why did she behave so erratically? COULD she have stopped killing? Could she ever have actual remorse for her actions? Did she truly believe that she was the target of government conspiracies? What was going on in that head of hers?
And what about Dawn? Was she a positive influence on Aileen? Or just another person who Aileen could manipulate, gaslight, and take advantage of?
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ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page! Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Aileen Wuornos (Part 1) Mar 01, 2024

The Monster. The Damsel of Death. Infamously referred to as the first female serial killer. At five feet, four inches tall and 137 pounds; a transient sex worker who took the lives of 7 men in several acts of self-defense, according to her. But how could this be possible? Aileen aka Lee, was all love, at one time, stating quote “Too bad society has me all wrong, from all the cop lies and defamation put out on me. Because really I was all ‘LOVE’. Now I’m not.”
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about Aileen and her criminal life.
In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding her crimes, behavior, and details that we found straight from her writings and interviews.
So, join us next week for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.
If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
ALSO - just to remind you guys! The True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival is happening in July 2024! We will be in Denver, Colorado from July 12th - 14th and YOU can visit us, meet us in person, grab some stickers, and hang out! You can also get 15% off your tickets if you enter NVN15 in the promo code section at the checkout page!
Visit www.truecrimepodcastfestival.com today!
Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Spooktober Series: The Ohio State Reformatory & Infamous Inmates (Mansfield, Ohio) wKarah Oct 31, 2023

HaPpY hAlLoWeEn!!!!!!
Heather is back and has a brand new guest; KARAH!!!! Heather and Karah bring you this final Spooktober Series episode of 2023's spooky season and that's because it's one of our favorite HAUNTS! Heather and Karah share all the details about the Ohio State Reformatory in Mansfield, Ohio. We delve into the nitty gritty details of the construction of the prison as well as pop culture connections, real-life hauntings, and the Halloween attraction, BLOOD PRISON.
Does this sound like a place you'd want to visit? Why or why not? Share your thoughts with us on Patreon, Facebook, and email!
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.
https://sites.rootsweb.com/~ohrichla/OSR2.htm
https://bloodprison.com/

Spooktober Series: The Old Ohio State Penitentiary & Notable Inmates (Columbus, Ohio) wCourtney Oct 30, 2023

Heather and Courtney bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a the Old Ohio State Penitentiary in Columbus, Ohio! Join us as we discuss several notable inmates who once called this prison their home. Additionally, we will discuss what sits on the old prison land and some of the spooky happenings that have been reported.
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.

Spooktober Series: Rose Family Murders (Lucas, Ohio) wBrittany Oct 29, 2023

Heather and Brittany bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a farm family that was destroyed by some smear cheese and the terrible seasoning that made it unique in Lucas, Ohio. The 23-year-old daughter of the Rose Family was either a terrible cook or just a terrible person. You decide. Join us as we discuss the Rose Family Murders and the hauntings that have happened since.
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.
https://www.wkyc.com/article/life/holidays/halloween/haunted-ohio-ceely-rose-murders-malabar-farm/95-ed2ad706-e468-4814-8bf0-25b0c165ae1e
https://ohiomysteries.com/ohio%20mysteries/1896-the-disturbing-world-of-ceely-rose

Spooktober Series: Ryan's Tavern in Little Chicago (Hamilton, Ohio) wKelsey Oct 28, 2023

Heather and Kelsey bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a local spot to us; Ryan's Tavern in Hamilton, Ohio! Join us on this little adventure regarding the history of and paranormal experiences that people have encountered at the Tavern!
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.

Spooktober Series: George Remus & Imogene in Black (Cincinnati, Ohio) wBrittany Oct 27, 2023

Heather and Brittany bring you this Spooktober Series episode about an clever 1920's pharmacist-turn-defense attorney who ran that game during the prohibition era and ended up committing the ultimate crime, in Cincinnati, Ohio! Join us as we discuss Chicago defense lawyer George Remus and how his greedy bootlegging game led to the murder of Imogene Holmes.
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.
https://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/news/2017/10/27/ghost-eden-park-definitely-out-there-90-years-after-she-murdered/790591001/
https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/rich-bootlegger-george-remus-killed-his-wife-and-got-away-with-murder/

Spooktober Series: The Snook-Hix Murder (Columbus, Ohio) wCourtney Oct 26, 2023

Heather and Courtney bring you this Spooktober Series episode about a love affair-turned murder in Columbus, Ohio! Join us as we discuss one notorious murder case that originated at Ohio State University and quickly blew up in international headlines. This is the case of Dr. James Howard Snook and his mistress, Theora Hix, from 1929. One author described the case as one that sent waves of “shock, indignation, and disgust throughout Columbus”. The trial testimony was packed with so much illicit material that the newspapers of the time couldn’t report on it.
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.
https://www.nytimes.com/1929/06/21/archives/snook-confesses-slaying-theora-hix-ohio-university-professor-de.html
https://www.ohioexploration.com/miscellaneous/drjamessnook/
https://medium.com/@draketheatrical/the-strange-case-of-dr-snook-and-theora-hix-a-roaring-twenties-murder-ad1b9e797949

Spooktober Series: Infamous Inmates in the Old Licking County Jail (Newton, Ohio) wKelsey Oct 22, 2023

Heather and Kelsey bring you this Spooktober Series episode about an Old Haunted Jail; the Old Licking County Jail in Newton, Ohio! Join us on this little adventure regarding the history of, infamous inmates and event, as well as paranormal experiences that people have encountered at the jail!
Sources
Klockow, Kat. (2016). Ohio's Haunted Crimes: An Exploration of Ten Haunted Crime Scenes. Schiffer Publishing Ltd.
https://www.newarkjail.com/about.html

BONUS: Edmund Kemper (2018 Documentary Review) Oct 19, 2023

Heather and Brittany watch the documentary on Edmund Kemper, "Kemper on Kemper: Inside the Mind of a Serial Killer (2018)" and discuss our thoughts on the documentary as a whole. Additionally, Heather read the book "Real Crime by Real Killers Vol 2: Edmund Kemper (The True Story of the Brutal Co-Ed Butcher, second edition)" by Ryan Becker and gained a bit more insight into some of our questions from Parts 1 and 2 in the main feed.
Sources
https://www.amazon.com/Kemper-Inside-Mind-Serial-Killer/dp/B07K4S8Y5X
Becker, R. (2020). Real Crime by Real Killers Vol 2: Edmund Kemper (The True Story of the Brutal Co-Ed Butcher, second edition). Sea Vision Publishing, LLC

BONUS: Richard Speck (1999 Documentary Review) Oct 19, 2023

Heather and Brittany watch the documentary on Richard Speck "Richard Speck: Born to Raise Hell (1999)" and discuss our thoughts on the documentary as a whole.
Sources
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H3s7Zmf1qA

Edmund Emil Kemper III (Part 2) Sep 17, 2023

This is Part 2 of the Edmund Emil Kemper III case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
We talked about how he was the assistant to his psychiatrist, how manipulative he was, and what Big Ed has been up to. We also discussed his relationship with his mother and sisters. We would love to hear your thoughts on this case and the dynamic that was at play. Please send us your thoughts/opinions.
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Edmund Emil Kemper III (Part 1) Sep 16, 2023

Born as Edmund Emil Kemper III, on December 18, 1948 in Burbank, CA; he is known better as the co-ed killer who was responsible for the deaths of 10 individuals; 8 of them occurring between May 1972 and April of 1973. His parents; Clarnell Elizabeth Kemper and Edmund Emil Kemper Jr. had three children, of which Edmund was the only boy and the middle child. Although Edmund was caught and put in prison for his crimes in his mid twenties; he actually began murdering people in his adolescence.
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life.
In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior. Additionally, we will discuss more about Edmund’s time in prison, the psychology aspect of him/his case, and interesting pop culture related to him/his case.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.
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Richard Speck (Part 2) Aug 18, 2023

This is Part 2 of the Richard Speck case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
We talked about the victim count versus perpetrator count and how/why Speck was able to kill 8 women, all by himself. We would love to hear your thoughts on this case and the dynamic that was at play. Please send us your thoughts/opinions.
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Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.
LINK to the XYY Syndrome article: https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/human-aggression-and-extra-y-chromosome-fact-or-fantasy#:~:text=STUDIES%20SOON%20BEGAN%20TO%20APPEAR,HAD%20THE%20EXTRA%20Y%20CHROMOSOME.

Richard Speck (Part 1) Aug 17, 2023

Born as Richard Benjamin Speck, on December 6, 1941 in Kirkwood, IL; he is known for murdering 8 female students who lived together on the south side of Chicago. But that wasn’t the beginning of his crimes. As we’ve seen with all other cases; this was escalated behavior. Prior to these murders, he had been responsible for other acts of violence against his family and others. Additionally, Speck was pretty good at escaping the police…until he wasn’t. His talent ran out in 1966, after his killing spree, when he was captured two days later.
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, we will delve more into our thoughts about his upbringing, his behavior, and his mental state whilst committing his crimes.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
REMEMBER: We will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com and use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

The Birth of the FBI & BSU (Extended Patreon for $5 and up) Aug 16, 2023

In this Extended episode for the $5 & up supporters; we discuss the fact that we’ve all wondered about criminal profiling and why criminals behave the way they do. That’s pretty much the premise of this entire podcast. Well, the FBI - Federal Bureau of Investigation, has an entire training division whose sole duty is to study and analyze. It is known as the behavioral science unit and is located at the FBI Academy in Quantico, Virginia.
In this episode, we talk about the FBI’s creation of this unit, how the unit has evolved over the years, and the key players in the department. We also briefly delve into the key cases that played a huge role in the creation of the BSU.
We have decided to release this $5 & Up PATREON episode on the main feed as well; to kind of celebrate the fact that we will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com and use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets!
Extended episodes are for $5 and up supporters!
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The Birth of the FBI (All Patreon) Aug 16, 2023

In this ALL-PATRON episode; we discuss the birth of the FBI (Federal Bureau of Investigation) and why it was needed during the time of the industrial revolution. We share some fun facts about the FBI including when the first wanted poster was released, as well as details about the first women in the FBI.
We have decided to release this ALL PATREON episode on the main feed as well; to kind of celebrate the fact that we will be in Austin, TX for the True Crime and Paranormal Podcast Festival August 25-27, 2023. You still have time to buy your tickets! Visit https://truecrimepodcastfestival.com and use promo code NATURE to get 15% off your tickets!
Extended episodes are for $5 and up supporters! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
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BONUS - Murders & More in the Armed Services Jun 18, 2023

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism! This is another BONUS episode for you guys! We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes. So, we hope you enjoy!
We had a suggestion from a former Armed Services member; to cover crimes in the Armed Services. So, we brought you some staggering statistics and a couple of cases: Vanessa Guillen and Amanda Gonzalez. If you have more information about either of these cases, or have additional case suggestions; please let us know!
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BONUS - Serial Killers in Law Enforcement Apr 22, 2023

Welcome back to Nature vs Narcissism! This is another BONUS episode for you guys! We have been sharing some BONUS content lately as we have many topics that we’ve been wanting to cover but that don’t necessarily follow the theme for main feed episodes. So, we hope you enjoy!
We always talk about serial killers and how many of them were in law enforcement to some extent at some point in their life. So, we thought that a fun episode for you would be to share some lesser known killers who were involved, in some capacity, with law enforcement.
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Sources for John Reginald Halliday Christie case
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/10712839/john-reginald_halliday-christie https://murderpedia.org/male.C/c/christie-john.htm https://www.iqtestacademy.org/home-2?cq_src=google_ads&cq_cmp=13908441048&cq_term=como%20saber%20mi%20iq&cq_plac=&cq_net=g&cq_plt=gp&utm_source=google&utm_medium=googleads&utm_campaign=&gclid=Cj0KCQjw8qmhBhClARIsANAtboeFoC4-zMqvgooJK_U4iyetby7dVW1ST0q3Gpevm96i2vx1KW6ONBAaAt2WEALw_wcB
Sources for Ernst Karl case
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/228478605/ernst-karl http://www.eurochannel.com/en/3-Famous-Austrian-Killers-in-History.html https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernst_Karl

BONUS - Terry Rasmussen (The Chameleon) Mar 31, 2023

Join Heather and her Status Pending co-host Scott Fuller for this BONUS episode. We touched on this serial killer in a recent Status Pending episode as a potential suspect in one of our cases. Since we don’t typically cover serial killers on that podcast, we decided to record a bonus for our Nature vs Narcissism listeners! This serial killer was the true definition of a chameleon! We discovered a minimum of 6 aliases that he had over the years…but we truly believe that there were many more, as well as many more victims. We hope you enjoy! Let us know your thoughts on this case!!!
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Author Kerrie Droban on "Aurora" and James Holmes Mar 26, 2023

On July 20, 2012, 24-year-old James Holmes (whilst dressed in tactical clothing and bright orange dyed hair) set off tear gas grenades and shot multiple firearms into the Aurora, Colorado Century 16 movie theater midnight showing of The Dark Knight Rises audience. His actions led to the death of 12 people and injuring 70 others; 58 of whom were injured from gunfire.
In this episode, Heather sits down with award winning author and attorney Kerrie Droban to discuss her latest book, Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story.
In their book, Dr Lynn Fenton; the psychiatrist who treated James Holmes, and Kerrie Droban take you into the minds of a mass shooter (James Holmes) and his psychiatrist (Dr. Lynn Fenton) and how she was affected long-term. Kerrie shares her experience with writing the book, working with/interviewing Dr. Fenton, as well as what she learned about Holmes based on his thoughts, actions, and treatment sessions with Fenton.
Kerrie highlights the fact that Holmes was actively getting help when he executed his tragic plan to kill dozens of people. She shares that this is proof that there is no blueprint when it comes to identifying when someone may do something so extreme. We can ask all the questions. We can report all the odd behaviors. But at the end of the day, we are all still learning about the criminal psyche and need to apply our knowledge and understanding to each situation on a case by case basis. We may never be able to predict and stop every single criminal who decides that they want to be a mass shooter/mass killer. But we can take what we learn from cases like Holmes’ and apply it to try and prevent future tragedies. Most often, these criminals are incredibly manipulative and calculating.
“Let’s not forget; every psychopath is a narcissist. Every sociopath is a narcissist. But not every narcissist is a psychopath or sociopath.” -Kerrie Droban
Kerrie’s goal with writing true crime books:
The goal of writing these books, for Kerrie, is to expose, to educate, to inform, and to give that platform to the victims and their loved ones. A platform for them to tell their story and celebrate the lives of these people. It is difficult to read but it’s insightful and the more that we talk about it and keep the conversation going; keep the memory alive.
Learn more about Kerrie, her books, her speaking engagements, and her writing workshops: https://www.kerriedroban.com/
Buy Aurora: The Psychiatrist Who Treated the Movie Theater Killer Tells Her Story https://a.co/d/fd5QsWF

Peter Kurten (Part 2) Mar 06, 2023

This is Part 2 of the Peter Kurten case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
Brittany gave this guy a nickname off-mic; it’s Quick Draw McGraw.
QUESTION FOR YOU: Do you have siblings? If so, can you share your experience with how each sibling’s personality and demeanor is? Is the oldest child more reserved? More emotional? Is the middle child the wild child? What about the youngest? Share your thoughts and experiences with us!
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Peter Kurten (Part 1) Mar 05, 2023

Born as Peter Kürten on May 26, 1883, to alcoholic abusive parents in Mulheim am Rhein, Germany. He was eventually referred to as the Vampire of Dusseldorf and the Dusseldorf Monster. Between February and November of 1929; Kurten committed no less than 9 murders, along with many attempted murders. Prior to this crime spree; in the years leading up to 1929; he was no stranger to the criminal world. Such activities included sexual assaults, burglary, arson, theft, threatening behavior, and attempted robbery, among other crimes. Aside from the crimes and murders that he was eventually convicted for; he confessed to the 1913 murder of a 9-year-old girl in Mulhein am Rhein as well as the attempted murder of a 17-year-old girl in Düsseldorf. Kürten’s moniker came from the fact that he would occasionally attempt to drink the blood from his victims' wounds. Another moniker, the "Düsseldorf Monster" was attributed to him, both because the majority of his murders were committed in and around the city of Düsseldorf, AND the savagery he inflicted upon his victims' bodies. Peter Kurten was executed in July 1931 at 48 years old. He is the German serial killer whose “widely analyzed career influenced European society’s understanding of serial murder, sexual violence, and sadism in the first half of the 20th century.”
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior. So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
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Peter Stubbe/Stumpf (Part 2) Feb 06, 2023

This is part 2 of the Peter Stubbe/Stumpf episode. He is also known as the Werewolf of Bedburg. Heather and Brittany delve more into our thoughts on more than just the criminal/serial killer in this case. We talk a bit about our thoughts on werewolves and what the f*** was going on in the 1500s.
We also discuss whether or not we feel that he committed ALL of these gruesome crimes, or just some.
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Peter Stubbe/Stumpf (Part 1) Feb 05, 2023

Part 1 is typically filled with information about the person of interest; such as where they were born, to whom, and what they were named by their parents. However, with this particular individual; we may not be able to cover all of those bases. But, we will do our best with the information that we have. I mean, this dude hasn’t been around since basically the 200s after all. And most of the information that IS known about him, comes from a 16-page pamphlet published in London in 1590; and rediscovered in 1920, by none other than an occultist. Which; we will come back to later. For now, I will tell you that he was called many different things. Some of his aliases were: Peter Stumpp (S-T-U-M-P-P), Peter Stube (S-T-U-B-E), Peeter Stubbe (with 2 Bs), Peter Stumpff (S-T-U-M-P-F), and some sources even referred to him as William Stumpf, Abal Griswold, Abil Griswold, and Ubel Griswold. ALthough there were many names for him and sources seem to use them interchangeably; one aspect remained the same across all sources. His moniker was “The Werewolf of Bedburg”. Too many names…and too many unknowns already; I know. But keep listening, this gets interesting.
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For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life.
In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (From Where The Weird Things Are Podcast) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.
If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
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BONUS - I, a Squealer (Schmid Case/Bruns Book) Part 2 Jan 27, 2023

This is Part 2 of the book review that Heather and Kelsey recorded as a BONUS & follow up to the Part 1 and Part 2 case coverage on Charles Schmid aka The Pied Piper of Tucson. **Please note: at the beginning of this episode; you will hear a disclaimer about the audio. We know; it is awful. We had some technical difficulties during the recording process and this is the cleanest that we could get it through tons of editing. We apologize and hope that we didn’t ruin your experience too much! We appreciate your support! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

BONUS - I, a Squealer (Schmid Case/Bruns Book) Part 1 Jan 27, 2023

The book is called I, a Squealer: THE Insider’s Account of the “Pied Piper of Tucson” Murders by Richard Bruns. This book is a firsthand account of the person Charles Schmid as Richard’s friend and murderer. Richard was the whistle blower who ended Schmid’s reign of terror in Tucson. But does Richard share everything he knows in the book? We will let you be the judge of that. Heather and Kelsey sit down and discuss their thoughts on the book as a whole, the case, and the players involved. We also present our own questions and theories throughout. We would love to hear from you and perhaps what your thoughts are on this case as well as the book. Please write us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com
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Taste of the Patreon Feed - Executions (Extended) Jan 13, 2023

SURPRISE! In the new year, we have decided to give you a taste of the Patreon feed!
In this extended Patreon episode, Heather and Brittany discuss the different types of execution methods and methods used in different countries. Additionally, we discuss different death row inmates who met their maker via some of these execution methods.
What is the scariest method of execution to you?
What would your ideal last meal be?
Serial Killer Cookbook by Ashley Lecker: https://a.co/d/htuLBd9
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Taste of the Patreon Feed - Executions (All Patreon) Jan 13, 2023

SURPRISE! In the new year, we have decided to give you a taste of the Patreon feed!
Heather and Brittany discuss the controversial topic of executions. We discuss facts around executions and one method in particular...hanging. We also discuss a couple of main feed killers that we will delve deeper into and how they were executed.
What is the scariest method of execution to you?
What would your ideal last meal be?
Serial Killer Cookbook by Ashley Lecker: https://a.co/d/htuLBd9
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New Year's Eve Crimes & Murders (BONUS) Jan 01, 2023

Heather and Courtney (from The Cult Of Domesticity Podcast) talk about the history of New Year’s Eve Festivities as well as some New Year’s Eve Parties/gatherings that didn’t go according to plan. Some were murdered and some were running naked through the neighborhood. ENJOY! Here is the Naked Peeping Tom link from the episode: https://www.al.com/news/birmingham/2016/01/naked_peeping_tom_wearing_rona.html HAPPY NEW YEAR!!! STAY SAFE AND MAKE GOOD CHOICES! SEE YOU IN THE NEW YEAR! If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Charles Schmid (Part 2) Dec 31, 2022

This is Part 2 of Charles Schmid case. For this episode, I have Kelsey joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why? Also – did they catch the right guy? Or is there more to the story?? If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Charles Schmid (Part 1) Dec 31, 2022

Born as Charles Howard Smitty Schmid Jr. aka the “Pied Piper of Tucson” to an unwed mother in Tucson, Arizona on July 8, 1942. The day after his birth, he was adopted by Katharine and Charles Schmid, hence the name. He was an American rapist and serial killer who is known to have killed three teenage girls between 1964 and 1965. For his crimes, he was sentenced to death in 1966, at just 24 years old. But would he make it to his execution date? Stay tuned to find out and learn more about this narcissistic killer.
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior. So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Kelsey and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Earle Leonard Nelson (Part 2) Dec 25, 2022

This is Part 2 of the Earle Leonard Nelson case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why? If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Earle Leonard Nelson (Part 1) Dec 24, 2022

Born as Earle Leonard Ferral on May 12, 1897 to parents James C Farrel and Fannie Nelson in San Francisco, California; he was the first known serial sex murderer of the twentieth century. His rape and murder spree began in 1926 and ceased upon his arrest in 1927. He was responsible for at least 22 murders and was eventually executed for his crimes in 1928, at the age of 30. But how does one get to this point, at such a young age? Why was he called the Gorilla Murderer? And since this case is so old; what do we really know about Earle? Lots of questions; but how many answers will we have?
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior. So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month! Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.com Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

BONUS EPISODE - Doc Review - Memories of a Murderer: The Nilsen Tapes Dec 19, 2022

Heather and Brittany reviewed the documentary about Dennis Nilsen. We heard, in his own words, about his crimes. And to say it was chilling, is an understatement.
What would you rate this documentary?
**Also - Heather was incorrect about the way the intruder entered the TikToker's home. It was through a door but not a sliding glass door. Link is below.
Links discussed in the episode:
Key facts about the documentary
Dennis Nilsen's voice in documentary
Intruder enters Tik Toker's home

Dennis Nilson (Part 2) Dec 10, 2022

This is Part 2 of the Dennis Nilsen case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
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Dennis Nilsen (Part 1) Dec 09, 2022

Born as Dennis Andrew Nilsen on November 23, 1945; to parents Elizabeth Duhthie Whyte (AKA Betty Whyte with y and not an i) and Olav Magnus Mokshame in Fraserburah, Aberdeenshure - a small fishing village in Scotland. Dennis was a serial killer and necrophile who had murdered at least 12 young boys and men between the years of 1978 and 1983 in London. His moniker was Muswell Hill Murderer as he committed his final murders in the Muswell Hill district of North London. He has also been referred to as the “British Jeffrey Dahmer”. He was convicted of 6 counts of murder and two counts of attempted murder. He was sentenced to life imprisonment in November of 1983, with the recommendation that he serve a minimum of 25 years. Things with his sentence changed in December of 1994 but we’ll delve more into that in this episode. On May 10, 2018, Dennis Nilsen was experiencing some stomach pain to which he was then transported to York Hospital. They found a ruptured aortic aneurysm that they were able to repair via surgery. However, he then suffered from a blood clot, following the surgery, and died on May 12, 2018.He was cremated in June of 2018 and only 5 people attended his service – none of whom were members of his family. The prison paid for the cremation services and his ashes were given to his family.For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life.In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding his crimes and behavior.So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!Check out our website for sources and more - at www.naturevsnarcissism.comUntil next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Fritz Haarmann (Part 2) Nov 12, 2022

WARNING!!! VERY GRAPHIC / DARK HUMORED CONTENT
This is Part 2 of the Fritz Haarmann case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
QUESTION FOR YOU: In high school anatomy class; which animal did you dissect?
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Fritz Haarmann (Part 1 ) Nov 11, 2022

Born as Friederich Heinrich Karl Haarmann on October 25, 1879; Fritz was the son of father Ollie and Johanna Haarmann. He was the youngest of 6 children (2 girls and 4 boys) and was doted on by his mother; who was often described as invalid. His father was nicknamed Sulky Ollie for his gloomy and unhappy disposition. Fritz was a German serial killer with several monikers; the Butcher of Hanover, the Vampire of Hanover, and the Wolf Man; to name a few. He committed the sexual assault, murder, mutilation, and dismemberment of at least 24 young men and boys between the years of 1918 and 1924, throughout the city of Hanover; when he was between the ages of 39 and 45. He was eventually captured and sentenced for his crimes via execution in 1925
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life.
In part 2, We will delve more into the process of disposal, discovery of his victims, and some interesting pop culture connections as well.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
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Albert Henry DeSalvo (Part 2) Aug 21, 2022

This is Part 2 of the Albert DeSalvo case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
We talked lot about HOW someone would have been able to gain access to each of the victim’s homes without a struggle. As if they knew the perpetrator or trusted them for some reason. But the victimology still doesn’t add up for us. At least not if it was one killer.
QUESTION FOR YOU: Do you think DeSalvo was the Boston Strangler? What about Nassar? Do you even believe that it was one perpetrator who committed all the murders? Share your thoughts with us!
QUESTION FOR YOU: Do you know what Albert DeSalvo did for a living/as an occupation?
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Albert Henry DeSalvo (Part 1) Aug 21, 2022

Born on September 3, 1931 in Chelsea, Massachusetts to parents Frank and Charlotte DeSalvo; Albert Henry DeSalvo who eventually confessed to being the “Boston Strangler”. From 1962 to 1964; the Boston Strangler was an American rapist and serial killer who was linked to 13 murders of women in the Boston, Massachusetts area. In 1967, DeSalvo was imprisoned for life for a series of rapes…his murder confession though, has been disputed and there remains debate around which crimes he did or not commit. But we will get more into that, later in this episode.
For this episode, I tried to stick to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. I even went a little bit into Part 2 territory in discussing alternate suspects, but I thought it was an important detail.
In part 2, We will delve more into the doubts about DeSalvo’s guilt as the Boston Strangler as well as our thoughts regarding his crimes, behavior, and some interesting pop culture connections as well.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
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St. Patty's Day Mayhem & Murder (Part 2) Mar 18, 2022

Hello friends! This is a BONUS 2-parter about St. Patty's Day! In part 2, you will hear a mash-up of different crimes and deaths that occurred on St. Patrick's Day.
Courtney from The Cult of Domesticity Podcast joins in on the conversation, share her knowledge and experiences with Solon, Ohio, and to provide helpful information about when to call the cops.

St. Patty's Day Mayhem & Murder (Part 1) Mar 18, 2022

Hello friends! This is a BONUS 2-parter about St. Patty's Day! In part 1, you will hear all about St. Patty's Day and the history, celebrations, legends, and more.
Courtney from The Cult of Domesticity Podcast joins in to share a wealth of knowledge on the topic at hand!

Movie Review - Badlands (1973) Mar 06, 2022

As promised; LILY SPARKS is back!!!
In this BONUS episode, Lily and Heather discuss their thoughts on the 1973 film "Badlands". Throughout the episode, you will hear their thoughts and opinions about the film, the connections it has to the Charles Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate case, the psychology connections, and some interesting facts and trivia about the film.
Check out her book: Teen Killers Club
Check out the interview episode: Teen Killers Club - Interview with the author: Lily Sparks
Check out the Charles Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate (Part 2) episode: Charles Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate (Part 2)
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Charles Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate (Part 2) Mar 06, 2022

Welcome to part 2 of the Charles Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate case. For this episode, I have a returning guest joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. LILY SPARKS is back!!!
Check out her book: Teen Killers Club
Check out the interview episode: Teen Killers Club - Interview with the author: Lily Sparks
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Charles Starkweather & Caril Ann Fugate (Part 1) Mar 05, 2022

On January 28, 1958, Charles Starkweather, a 19-year-old high-school dropout from Lincoln, Nebraska and his 14-year-old girlfriend, Caril Ann Fugate, kill a Lincoln businessman, his wife and their maid, as part of a murderous crime spree that began a week earlier and would ultimately leave 11 people and 2 dogs dead.
The killer couple’s deadly road trip, which generated enormous media attention and a massive manhunt, came to an end the following day, when Starkweather and Fugate were arrested near Douglas, Wyoming. The crimes later inspired a slew of books, movies and music, including Terence Malick’s 1973 film “Badlands,” starring Martin Sheen and Sissy Spacek, and Bruce Springsteen’s 1982 song “Nebraska.”
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For this episode, I stuck to the dates and the facts that we knew about them and their criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into our thoughts regarding the pair’s crimes, behavior, the discrepancies between their stories, and the pop culture around this case.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Lily (author of Teen Killers Club) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
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Movie Review - The Hills Have Eyes (1977 vs 2006) - Sneak Peek Feb 13, 2022

YOU CAN LISTEN TO THE FULL EPISODE ON THE PATREON FEED. This is a Sneak Peek.
In this episode, Julie and Heather discuss their thoughts on the 1977 film "The Hills Have Eyes" as well as its 2006 remake, of the same name. Throughout the episode, you will hear their thoughts and opinions about each of the films, the connections they have to true crime and psychology, and some interesting facts and trivia about both films.

Bloody Bender's Clan (Part 2) Feb 13, 2022

This is Part 2 about the Bender Clan. On this episode, I have Brittany joining me to talk about the business venture that this family started up & and how well it paid off for them. Or IF it paid off for them.
Were they ALWAYS the Benders? Were they ALWAYS murderers? Were they ever even a real family? Were they the Kelly family too??
What are your thoughts?
If any of it is true...was it nature? Nurture? Or narcissism??
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Also - we do talk about the Superbowl, just a bit and are curious who you think will win?! Let us know!
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Join us for the conversation! Give us your thoughts and what you've heard about the legend/case/story!

Bloody Bender's Clan (Part 1) Feb 12, 2022

We’ve talked about another clan…Sawney Beane’s clan. That massive 48-incestuous member family of human hunting, flesh eating, cannibal killers. But that family was located off the Galloway coast in Scotland. And, if you’ve listened to part 2 of that - then you know our feelings about that family.
So, we will move on. On to another clan. One that originated in the USofA. This family is known as America’s first family of Serial Killers. Again, not one of Brittany’s favorite topics…but I’m gonna reel her in on this one, I promise! Their story begins much like all the other families of that time period. We’re at a time in US history when the Homestead Act of 1862 just went into effect. October of 1870 - five families move to this Osage area and settle around 7 miles from where the city of Cherryvale would be established later on, in 1880. One of these families was, yup, you guessed it, the Benders. A family of 4; Ma, Pa, Jr. and Kate.
And they moved onto a 160 acre property facing the Osage Trail.
They ended up using canvas to spit their ONE ROOM cabin into two rooms. The back room remained as a sort of living quarters for the family. The front section, however, was converted into a general store, kitchen, and dining area where those who were passing through could grab a warm meal, some dry goods to take with them along their travels, or a good night’s rest. This was known as Bender Inn. But they definitely wouldn’t receive 5 stars on Yelp, that’s for sure.
To earn money…and apparently thrills…Sr. and Ma ran this crude ramshackle killer hotel of sorts, with their Jr. and Kate. Fun! A family affair! Now, although the number isn’t quite as high as the Beane clan’s numbers; there were still more than a dozen travelers who never made it out of that hotel.
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Check back tomorrow for Part 2!
Sources will be up on the website soon.

Sawney Beane's Clan (Part 2) Feb 05, 2022

This is Part 2 about the Sawney Beane Clan. On this episode, I have Brittany joining me to talk about the case...the lore...the legend of this 48-member incestuous clan who is said to have killed potentially 1,000 people.
But, DID they???
What is true about this? Anything? How did this story come about? What are your thoughts?
If any of it is true...was it nature? Nurture? Or narcissism??
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Join us for the conversation! Give us your thoughts and what you've heard about the legend/case/story!
Promo: True Crime Horror Story Podcast

Sawney Beane's Clan (Part 1) Feb 04, 2022

“According to legend, Sawney Beane was a fifteenth-century Scottish peasant who grew fed up with farming and turned to highway robbery. With his hard-bitten common law wife, he holed up in a seaside cavern on the Galloway coast and sired a large brood of children. Eventually, through incestuous mating, the family swelled to forty-eight members, who subsisted by preying on unwary travelers, devouring their flesh, and pickling the leftover meat in seawater” (Schechter & Everitt, p.54).
The number of victims remains unknown, but estimates are close to 1,000 people who have fallen prey to this vicious clan. Locals were ill-prepared for the truth when they assumed people were being eaten by a pack of wolves, or some supernatural creature…only to find that it was a family who had been hunting, killing, and eating the lost/disappeared.
But how did they find out? Well, let’s go into the story a bit more and learn how this family was captured. Or IF they were captured…
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For this episode, I gathered as many agreed upon facts as I could, to relay the story. However, are those agreed upon facts actually facts? Or fable? You decide.
Join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast ) and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, the holes that have been poked in this story throughout history, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

"Psycho" & "The Silence of The Lambs" Double Film Review (Sneak Peek) Jan 12, 2022

This is a SNEAK PEEK of the FULL PATREON episode.
In this episode, Brittany and Heather discuss their thoughts on the 1960 film "Psycho" as well as the 1991 film "The Silence of the Lambs". Throughout the episode, you will hear their thoughts and opinions about each of the films, the connections they have to true crime and psychology, and some interesting facts and trivia about both films.
Again, this is a sneak peek; which means that this is only about half of the episode. You can listen to the entire episode on Patreon, for just $1 per month! Hope to see you over there!

Tobe Hooper's "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre" Film Review (Sneak Peek) Jan 10, 2022

This is a SNEAK PEEK of the FULL PATREON episode.
In this episode, Brittany and Heather discuss their thoughts on the 1974 film by Tobe Hooper, "The Texas Chain Saw Massacre". Throughout the episode, you will hear their thoughts and opinions about the film as a whole, the connections it has to true crime, how the story came to be, and some interesting facts about the filming process.
Again, this is a sneak peek; which means that this is only about half of the episode. You can listen to the entire episode on Patreon, for just $1 per month! Hope to see you over there!
Review discussed in the episode: https://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/the-texas-chain-saw-massacre-1974
Brittany's podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/where-the-weird-things-are/id1589823107?uo=4

Ed Gein Case (Part 2) Dec 26, 2021

This is Part 2 of the Ed Gein case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
Since there wasn't a lot of extra/new information about Gein, that we could include in this part...we discussed several things. We started the episode off by back-tracking to last week's episode and discussing a bit about Chikatilo's execution. Then we moved into a bit of dark humor surrounding Heather's mother's death...sometimes, it's the only way to cope when you're having a hard time around the holidays.
Getting more into the meat and potatoes of Gein's case though; we touched base on the "recipe for a killer" and discussed how people rationalize why people kill.
We discussed some myths about Ed Gein and how we feel about those myths.
We wanted to round the episode out with some interesting information and what to look forward to in the new year...so, we talked about the origins of the NVN logo art work as well as the movies that we will be reviewing on the main feed and Patreon feed!
QUESTION FOR YOU: Do you think Ed Gein killed his brother? Why or why not?
REMINDER: Wearing another person's skin is questionable behavior.
Merry Christmas & Happy Holidays!

Ed Gein Case (Part 1) Dec 25, 2021

Born on August 27, 1906 in LaCrosse, Wisconsin to parents George and Augusta Gein (who were both natives of Wisconsin); Edward Theodore Gein’s gruesome and unbelievable crimes were the inspiration for many books and horror films. Known as the “Butcher of Plainfield” and “The Plainfield Ghoul”, Gein was known for skinning his victims, robbing graves to obtain body parts, and then crafting household and clothing items out of said body parts. Instead of hitting up the local hobby shop for supplies, Gein opted for a more “scavenger hunt” style of collecting necessary items via local graveyards. Shopping is overrated anyway. Why pay for something, if you can make it yourself…right? Not like the deceased needed their skin…or skulls anymore, right? Sure does seem like this was Gein’s mindset. But I’m jumping ahead. So, let’s go back to the beginning and see if we can determine what made him commit these heinous acts, before his death on July 26, 1984.
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For this episode, I stuck to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, We will delve more into the myths about Gein as well as our thoughts regarding Ed’s crimes, behavior, and some additional facts about the trial itself.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
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Until next time; stay inside, stay alive.

Andrei Chikatilo Case (Part 2) Dec 18, 2021

This is Part 2 of the Andrei Chikatilo case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
This episode is one of our more heavily opinionated episodes thus far. But also; if you understand the difference between secretors and non-secretors - regarding DNA and blood type analysis; send us an email. We need help understanding this concept.
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In this episode, we will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Join in on the conversation via Facebook and in the comments on Patreon!
PROMO in this episode: https://shows.acast.com/worlds-dumbest-criminals

Andrei Chikatilo Case (Part 1) Dec 18, 2021

Andrei Romanovich Chikatilo - known by most as simply Andrei Chikatilo. Moniker? Rostov Ripper. But wait! There’s more! Mr. Chikatilo has at least 7 other aliases. The Red Ripper. The Butcher of Rostov. The Forest Strip Killer. The Mad Beast. The Mistake of Nature. Killer X. And The Shelter Belt Killer.
Andrei was born on October 16, 1936, In what is now known as Ukraine. He died on February 14, 1994 in Moscow, Russia at the age of 57.
Little bit of an odd coincidence if you ask me. Being born on Sweetest Day and dying on Valentine’s Day…but that may just be my brain and the fact that I have a thing with dates and numbers.
Among his list of careers - Andrei had dipped his toes in many career field pools including being a telephone operator and a supply clerk. Andrei was also a former school teacher at one point. Now…he is known as a Soviet serial killer who murdered at least 50 people between 1978 and 1990.
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For this episode, I stuck to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, I will go over more about the nature vs nurture aspects and much more.
Also in part 2, you will hear Brittany’s thoughts and reactions to this case as well.
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
PROMO: https://shows.acast.com/worlds-dumbest-criminals

Herman Drenth Case (Part 2) Nov 14, 2021

This is Part 2 of the Herman Drenth case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
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In this episode, we will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Join in on the conversation via Facebook and in the comments on Patreon!
Additionally, we announce the next categories and what we're bringing to NVN for the remainder of November!

Herman Drenth Case (Part 1) Nov 13, 2021

Born on November 17, 1892, Herman Drenth had many names. Much like all of the Bluebeards we’ve covered thus far. Unlike the others, however, Herman had a different method to his madness. He told authorities that it gave him sexual excitement to hear his victims' screams from within the chamber, at night. He went a step farther than the other Bluebeards we’ve covered, in that he specifically built an area in his home, to torture his victims PRIOR to gaining their wealth and murdering them. Additionally, to make him a bit more sadistic, he didn’t care who he had to kill to get the goods. He went as far as killing his love-interests’ children as well. Which, we HAVE seen on at least one other occasion, but those were collateral damage, if you will. With Herman; it appeared as though this was just an extra level of excitement and pleasure.
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For this episode, I stuck to the dates and the facts that we knew about him/his criminal life. In part 2, I will go over more about the nature vs nurture aspects, what we know about his school life, relationships growing up, careers, how he interacted with other humans as well as animals, MO, victim type, more about his “chamber”, suspected victim count, type of serial killer he was, execution style, and much more.
Also in part 2, you will hear Brittany’s thoughts and reactions to this case as well as what’s coming up in the feed for our next category!
So, join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
If you are interested in ad-free and extra episodes as well as merch and other swag; think about joining our Patreon at Patreon.com/NVNpodcast for as little as $1 per month!
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Alfred Cline Case (Part 2) Nov 06, 2021

This is Part 2 of the Alfred Cline case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
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In this episode, we will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Join in on the conversation via Facebook and in the comments on Patreon!

Alfred Cline Case (Part 1) Nov 05, 2021

Alfred Leonard Cline. AKA a “Fiendish Philanderer” and “The Buttermilk Bluebeard”. Born in 1889 and; Cline was a predator who married mostly widowed women of status, convinced them to will their possessions over to him, and then coerced them to drink a glass of poisoned buttermilk. But this wasn’t your average glass of high-protein buttermilk that was easily digested as a natural treatment for gastrointestinal ailments. No siree, it was not. This was a staple of Alfred Cline’s cocktails that he would prepare with a little extra UMPH. He would add powerful sedatives to the buttermilk for his lady of choice...who would then ingest it and die shortly thereafter. And although Cline was linked to the deaths of at least 8 eldery people, there was never enough evidence found to implicate him in foul play. But before really delving into WHO Alfred Cline was and where he came from; I want to first tell you about his criminal activity and who his victims were. Then I will go into a bit more detail with what we know about his upbringing, how he got away with his crimes for so long, and what ended up being his downfall.
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Special thanks to Courtney of the Cult of Domesticity Podcast for her assistance with the research in this episode!
Join us tomorrow for Part 2 - where Brittany (from Where the Weird Things Are Podcast and I will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Tune in and join the conversation on Facebook!
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Albert Fish Case (Part 2) Oct 30, 2021

This is Part 2 of the Albert Fish case. For this episode, I have Brittany joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
In this episode, we will do a deep dive (as deep as we can without throwing up) discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Join in on the conversation via Facebook and in the comments on Patreon!

Albert Fish Case (Part 1) Oct 29, 2021

Hamilton Howard Albert Fish was born on May 19, 1870 in Washington, D.C. to parents Randall and Ellen Fish. By the time Albert was 5 years old, in 1875, his elderly father Randall died of a heart attack at the Sixth Street Station of the Pennsylvania Railroad in Washington, D.C. It was after this that his mother decided to put him in Saint John’s Orphanage. And this. This is when Albert started turning into the person we know him as. His mother was able to obtain a government job in 1880 and removed Albert from the Orphanage. Bringing him back home with her. So, although he was only in the orphanage for about 4 years...these were crucial formative years for his growth and development.
Albert Fish is classified as an American sado-masochistic serial killer and cannibal. He was also known as the Gray Man, the Werewolf of Wysteria, and the Brooklyn Vampire. He bragged that he had “children in every state” which put his number at over 100. Now, whether he was referring to the number of murder victims, molestation victims, canabilization or all of the above, we are not sure. It could have been a lie all around. But what we do know is that he was a suspect in at least 5 murders throughout his lifetime. He ended up confessing to 3 of them, and then he confessed to stabbing 2 others. He ended up being put on trial for the murder of Grace Budd...for whom he was convicted and executed via the electric chair.
This is Part 1 of the Albert Fish case. In this episode, you will hear about the life and crimes of Albert Fish. And why people are so fascinated with this disgusting case, but even more appalled by this evil monster.
Brittany will be back in Part 2 - where we will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.
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Special thanks to Courtney of the Cult of Domesticity Podcast for her assistance with the research in this episode!
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Ward Weaver Case (Part 2) Oct 27, 2021

This is Part 2 of the Ward Weaver case. For this episode, I have Slim joining me to discuss our thoughts on the case as a whole as well as what we think is at play here. Was it nature? Nurture? A combination? Why?
In this episode, we will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more. Join in on the conversation via Facebook and in the comments on Patreon!

Ward Weaver Case (Part 1) Oct 26, 2021

Born on April 6, 1963, Ward Francis Weaver III is now sitting in a prison cell; serving a life sentence for several egregious crimes against Ashley Pond and Miranda Gaddis in Oregon City, Oregon. In this episode, you will hear about the life and crimes of not only Weaver III, but his family members as well.
This is Part 1 of the Ward Weaver case. Ward Weaver IIIs son, was arrested and charged with the murder of a drug dealer in Canby, Oregon on February 17, 2014. He and three others had allegedly robbed and killed the drug dealer on February 16, 2014 - so, luckily they captured him pretty quickly. He was found guilty and given a life sentence. With his grandfather sitting on California's death row, and his father serving 2 life sentences, this makes him the third generation of Weavers to be convicted as murderers.
This was a requested case by Slim - who you will hear from in Part 2 - where we will do a deep dive discussion about the case, the people involved, our thoughts regarding nature vs nurture, and much more.

Quick Relaunch Chat Oct 22, 2021

Welcome back to nature vs Narcissism! I know the show has been on hiatus for some time and our listeners haven’t really been told too much. That is all about to change! For the last 2 years, the show has been on again/off again for a number of reasons. At the end of 2019, I became pretty sick for about 3 weeks - and that was on top of several family members passing away (for various reasons - old age, etc.).
Then 2020 came and the whole world changed. COVID-19 hit and life as we knew it was different and complicated. We faced lockdowns, mask mandates, sick family members and friends, loved ones dying from a pandemic that we didn’t know how to combat.
Everyone was scared. Everyone felt alone. Many were alone. And many more were out of work, struggling to make ends meet and feed their families. Not to mention the mental toll that the pandemic took on all of us - those with mental health issues as well as those who had never experienced any mental health concern.
Fast forward a bit and businesses start opening, vaccines are being produced and distributed, people start traveling, and life appears to be back to “normal”. But it wasn’t. It still isn’t. And for me, personally; life became more difficult to navigate. Tons of extra anxiety. Poor communication with friends and loved ones. Then back to work. Thinking it would be easy - take it day by day, and everything will fall back into place. But it didn’t. It still hasn’t. But I am slowly and surely learning how to get back into the swing of things EVEN when the “swing of things” takes me out.
I guess what I am trying to say is: life has a way of taking its toll on a person and that’s exactly what happened!
But as I said. Things are changing. I have taken some time to rethink and regroup. I did not want to completely get rid of NVN as it is my baby. And when I was recording all the time, the way that I wanted to, covering the cases that intrigued me; I had a blast. I loved interacting with listeners and making friends along the way. So, that’s what I want again!
Thanks to Brittany; I am back in the groove and we are going to relaunch NVN on it’s 4th birthday - October 22, 2021!

NVN Relaunch Trailer (2021/2022) Oct 15, 2021

Have you ever wondered who is considered the Ted Bundy of another country? What about the female serial killers of the world? Or the necrophiles of the world?
If you're anything like Heather & Brittany, then you're fascinated with the minds of criminals! That thing that makes them tick. Why do they commit such egregious crimes? Why are they so different than us?
Is it Nature? Nurture? Or plain 'ol Narcissism?
Each week; Heather and Brittany will discuss a topic related to true crime and the psychology of killers. Then they'll break down a case or killer in a 2-parter.
Part 1 will be the case details and overview of the facts of the case and/or killer. And Part 2 will be the discussion about the case and/or killer.
We're NOT PROFESSIONALS, but we sure do like to give our opinions and share our perspectives on the cases and criminals.
So, if you're interested in that kind of thing, then join us on Fridays and Saturdays for the 2-parters and join us on Facebook and/or Patreon for the conversation!

LR - Joseph D. Ball (Alligator Man) Feb 26, 2021

In this Listener Request episode, Heather is joined by a returning guest, friend, and podcaster; Amy Derrick. Amy has a podcast called 10-96 Crime Chicks and is embarking on a new podcast that will explore paranormal AND crime! Two of Heather’s favorite things; for sure!
So, this listener request episode has been a long time coming and was requested by Amy, herself. So, today, we will be discussing Joseph Douglass Ball – aka The Alligator Man. This is an older case – which is a pretty interesting aspect as there wasn’t a lot of coverage at the time. He was classified as a serial killer who was active between 1936 and his suicide in 1938. He is said to have between 5 and 14-20 victims.
But, did he? You tell us…
Check out Amy’s current podcast here: 10-96 Crime Chicks
Once her new podcast launches; we will be sure to share that as well!
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LR - Samuel Little Feb 13, 2021

In this Listener Request episode, Heather is joined by a returning guest, friend, and podcaster; Brian Olson. Our listener request episode has been a long time coming and has been requested by more people than I can recall. I’ve been pretty hesitant to cover it, in all honesty; because I know of several other podcasters who are in the middle of covering it right now. I just know that they’re going to do such a phenomenal job and my coverage wouldn’t compare unless I devoted 20-25 episodes to it.
So, today, we will be discussing Samuel Little. The FBI has described him as the most prolific serial killer. Instead of digging into everything; we’re going to give a general timeline and discuss certain aspects of the case along the way. So, this episode will be more conversational.
Here is the FBI link we discussed: https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/samuel-little-most-prolific-serial-killer-in-us-history-100619
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LR - Terry Thompson & The Zanesville Zoo (Part 2) Jan 31, 2021

In Part 2 of this listener request episode, Heather is joined AGAIN by BRITTANY (newest Patron of the show)!!! Thank you so much Brittany!
Today, we will continue the conversation regarding Terry Thompson and his zoo that once stood at his home in Zanesville, Ohio. In this episode, we go over the timeline of the day of the escape, the following days, and even the months that followed - as well as the law changes that came of this event.
Additionally, we learn what happens with the animals that were NOT killed in this tragic event as well as what Mrs. Thompson did after losing her husband and animals.
This case is so much larger than what we covered on these 2 episodes AND the Patreon-only episode. So, definitely look into this case for yourself if you want ALL of the details. But, brace yourself...it's a hard one to look up.

LR - Terry Thompson & The Zanesville Zoo (Part 1) Jan 31, 2021

In Part 1 of this listener request episode, Heather is joined by BRITTANY (newest Patron of the show)!!! Thank you so much Brittany!
Today, we will be discussing something much like Tiger King, in the sense that we have our very own Joe Exotic, here in Ohio...well, we HAD our very own Joe Exotic. We are going to discuss Terry Thompson and his zoo that once stood at his home in Zanesville, Ohio.
This case; is cuckoo bananas...and there was a lot in the background that I had no idea happened/existed. Since there was so much to this case, there is a Part 2 that you will get sometime very soon!

Bad Medicine - Interview with the Author: Charlotte Bismuth Jan 19, 2021

In this very special episode; Heather is joined by yet another author! This time, the author is Charlotte Bismuth who is a former Manhattan Assistant District Attorney
and she describes her new book: Bad Medicine: Catching New York’s Deadliest Pill Pusher – which hits shelves everywhere, on January 19, 2021
From 2010 to 2014, Bismuth and her team followed a trail of bodies and money to Dr. Stan Li, who was selling prescriptions for controlled substances out of a basement clinic in Flushing, Queens. The case against Dr. Li was unusual. He was particularly callous and displayed ruthless greed in profiting from the opioid epidemic, handing out numbered tickets to the opioid-addicted patients who traveled far to buy his prescriptions.
BAD MEDICINE tells the story of the opioid epidemic through the investigation and trial of one doctor, who embodied the callousness and greed of the pharmaceutical companies. It is a call for justice that is particularly relevant as the number of opioid deaths continues to grow.
Beth Macy, Congressman Patrick J. Kennedy, Gerald Posner, Dr. Mona Hanna-Attisha, Patricia McCormick, Nan Goldin, Karen Abbott and others have praised the book: “It will leave you fuming … at the complicity of American regulators and politicians, and the Big Pharma machine that lines their pockets;” “The story will leave readers angry, informed, and most importantly inspired to seek justice and change;” “A gripping read tailor-made for the silver screen.”
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LR - The Murder of Hailey Dunn (Part 2) Jan 16, 2021

This is part 2 of our Listener Request episode on the murder of Hailey Dunn. In part 1; we discussed who Hailey was and the timeline of events in this case. In part 2; we will delve into the rumors and details that have come out since her death, things that occurred after she went missing (prior to the discovery of her remains), and what is being done today.
For those who don’t know...like myself before researching this case...Hailey Dunn was reported missing from her Colorado, Texas home on December 28, 2010. Her remains were found just 30 miles away from her home...but not until March of 2013! So, 2 years and 3 months later? But yet, relatively close to her home...it’s so tragic...
As of today, Hailey's case still remains unsolved. There is a $15000 reward in place for anyone with information that leads to the arrest of Hailey's killer(s). If you have any information that could help the investigation, please go to the link below to submit an anonymous tip.
https://www.dps.texas.gov/coldCase/Tips
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LR - The Murder of Hailey Dunn (Part 1) Jan 16, 2021

In this Listener Request episode, Heather is joined by a returning guest, Brittany F! And for those of you who are devoted listeners; you’ve already “met Brittany” in one of our Season 2 episodes...where we discussed Christine Falling. That was a 2-parter and was posted February 13, 2020. Christine was a babysitter in Lakeland, Florida who was 17 years old when she started murdering those she was tasked with babysitting. Super cuckoo bananas and very sad case, for sure.
Today though, we will be discussing the murder of Hailey Dunn. This is a case that was requested to us by a Patreon supporter; Sal. I know it took a really long time to get to this case but we’re here now!!
This case; much like all the other unsolved cases, is really heartbreaking. Heartbreaking for the victim and heartbreaking for the family. They just want answers and they’re still waiting even after over a decade.
I think that one of the most disturbing things about this case may be the fact that she was just 13 years old.
For those who don’t know...like myself before researching this case...Hailey Dunn was reported missing from her Colorado, Texas home on December 28, 2010. Her remains were found just 30 miles away from her home...but not until March of 2013! So, 2 years and 3 months later? But yet, relatively close to her home...it’s so tragic...
As a quick note: the Sheriff that we were discussing (as a sidebar in this episode) is Sheriff Joe Arpaio aka America’s Toughest Sheriff…Tent City.
As of today, Hailey's case still remains unsolved. There is a $15000 reward in place for anyone with information that leads to the arrest of Hailey's killer(s). If you have any information that could help the investigation, please go to the link below to submit an anonymous tip.
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BONUS - Season 4 Bloopers & Outtakes Jan 01, 2021

GOOD RIDDANCE, 2020!
I know that this year has been a bit of a roller coaster with the pandemic and everything else that 2020 offered us.
So, we thought we could give y’all a laugh with our BLOOPERS from Season 4. Throughout this episode, beginning with Season 4: Episode 1 & ending with Season 4: Episode 10 (and some Patreon outtakestoo); you will hear everything from our technical difficulties, to our mispronunciations (HEATHER!), to our before/during/after episode shenanigans, to the ever-present struggle to get the pod puppers out of the studio, as well as our corrections along the way.
We just wanted to give you a lighthearted FUNsode to kick off the new year!
Thank you to everyone who has supported us along the way and continue to put up with our shit; we love you!
Stick with us! 2021 is going to be a fun year!

CHRISTMAS BONUS - Execution Methods Dec 25, 2020

Merry Christmas/Happy Holidays!
Here's a bonus episode for ya! All about execution methods! We thought it was pretty fitting, given the Season 4 theme.
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0410: Alton Coleman & Debra Brown (SEASON FINALE) Dec 25, 2020

In episode 10 of Season 4; OUR SEASON FINALE, Heather discusses the infamous murder duo Alton Coleman and Debra Brown. Coleman and Brown entered into a master-slave relationship with one another and took to the road where they traveled across multiple states, murdering several individuals; including children.
On July 17, 1984; Alton Coleman became the 388th fugitive on FBI’s 10 Most Wanted List. Finally, the authorities catch up to and apprehend Alton and Debra on July 20, 1984 in Evanston, Illinois. However, the damage had already been done. This was after 8 murders, 7 rapes, 3 kidnappings, and 14 armed robberies.
More than 50 law enforcement officials from Illinois, Wisconsin, Michigan, Indiana, Kentucky, and Ohio met to strategize how the two would be charged for their heinous acts across all 6 states. Since the officials all agreed that they wanted BOTH defendants to face the death penalty, it didn’t take long for them to decide to give Ohio first dibs at prosecuting them.
The state of Ohio convicted Coleman and Brown, finding them guilty of the rape and murder of Tonnie Storey in Cincinnati and Marlene Walters in Norwood, but not for the murder of Virginia Temple and Rachelle Temple in Toledo. Coleman and Brown were both sentenced to death and the appeals process began. Coleman's case was sent to the U.S. Supreme Court several times between 1985 and 2002, but his numerous arguments that his conviction and death sentence were unconstitutional failed to sway the justices.
Alton Coleman was executed via lethal injection at the Southern Ohio Correctional Facility in Lucasville, Ohio on April 26, 2002, reciting Psalm 23 from the Bible.
His last meal was…well, HUGE.
As for Debra Brown…she has not had her last meal. In fact, she will not have a last meal – in the traditional death row way. Her sentence was commuted to life in prison due to mitigating circumstances and her low IQ scores. Brown is serving her sentence without possibility of parole at the Dayton Correctional Institution in Dayton, Ohio.
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0409: Ricky Ray Rector Dec 18, 2020

In episode 9 of Season 4; Rachelle discusses the 1981 murder of Arthur Criswell and Officer Robert Martin. Officer Robert Martin was a family friend whom Ricky had known since he was a very young child. Rachelle also discusses the man responsible for their deaths – 31-year-old Ricky Ray Rector. The twist in this case is that when Ricky shot Officer Robert Martin (after turning himself in for Arthur Criswell’s murder), he then turned the gun on himself…shooting himself in the head; which in turn caused brain damage. The issues and questions that this case brings to the table are overwhelming. The way this case unfolds is quite interesting, but also pretty disturbing, to us. But, we’ll let you formulate your own opinion. Ricky Ray Rector was sentenced to death for his actions. He was executed by lethal injection by the state of Arkansas on January 24, 1992.
And what does President Bill Clinton have to do with this case? You’ll see…
Last meal? Maybe later…
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0408: James Edward Smith Dec 07, 2020

In episode 8 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 1983 senseless murder of 44-year-old Larry Don Rohus as well as the man who was responsible for and convicted of this horrible crime – 30-year-old James Edward Smith. Smith was a Hare Krishna follower and labeled himself as a VooDoo/VoDou Priest. This plays a role in some of the confessions that he made as well as his last meal request (super interesting). James Edward Smith was executed by lethal injection in Texas on June 26, 1990.
Last meal?? Um. You'll see...
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0407: Lawrence Russell Brewer Nov 02, 2020

In episode 7 of Season 4; Rachelle discusses the 1998 atrocious and senseless murder of 49-year-old James Byrd, Jr. as well as the men who were responsible for and convicted of this horrible crime – 31-year-old white supremacist Lawrence Russell Brewer, Shawn Berry, and John King. For this episode though – we are focusing on the ringleader, Lawrence Russell Brewer. We know that this episode is a bit shorter than last week, but we think that is a good thing. It was really hard to stomach this case but Rachelle brought it to the table because it is definitely one that needs to be discussed. The actions of Lawrence and his cohorts were unacceptable and should not and will not be tolerated; as you will see in this episode. Lawrence Russell Brewer was sentenced to death on September 23, 1999 and executed by lethal injection in Texas on September 21, 2011.
Last meal?? Ugh. Don’t get us started.
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0406: Robert Alton Harris Oct 28, 2020

In episode 6 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 1978 murders of two 16-year-old boys; John Mayeski and Michael Baker…as well as the man who was convicted and executed for their murders - 25-year-old Robert Alton Harris. We think that one of the most disturbing elements of this case is the fact that Harris had no regard for human life and had killed someone just a few years prior to this as well. Harris attempted every way possible, to not be put to death; he was the hero (according to his testimony) after all. However, after much back-and-forth, on April 21, 1992, after roughly 14 years behind bars; Harris was sent to the gas chamber and executed for his crimes. He was the first execution in California in 25 years.
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LR - The Slenderman Stabbing Oct 23, 2020

We are back for another listener request episode! And for those of you who are devoted listeners; you’ve already “met Lily” in our interview episode! Definitely check that episode out - and there will be links in the show notes to find her book - Teen Killers Club.
Today though, we will be discussing a case that Lily finds pretty interesting. And honestly, I do as well. I think there are several super disturbing aspects to this case. So, before really delving into the case details...for those who aren’t familiar with the case - here’s a quick summary. This happened in Waukesha, Wisconsin on May 31, 2014. There were three 12-year-old girls who were friends...who were hanging out when two of the girls lured the third girl into the woods, where they stabbed her, 19 times!! This was in an effort to “prove that the fictional character - Slenderman - was real” according to the girls. It was reported that they wanted to become proxies of Slenderman; per the girls. The victim...12-year-old Payton Leutner SURVIVED the attack! She was able to crawl out of the woods, to a nearby road; where a passerby on a bicycle found her. She spent several days in the hospital, recovering from her stab wounds.
I thought it was really cool that Lily wanted to add something to the side to spice up this episode! She knew that we were talking about last meals in Season 4...so although neither perpetrator was executed; she has an interesting dish for us...
The new music featured in this episode is by one of Heather's high school friends, Andrew aka andre_the_g on BandLab! He creates and mixes his own tracks and they're pretty awesome! You should really check him out on Bandlab:
@andre_the_g on BandLab (https://www.bandlab.com/andre_the_g/chill-a68ccc1f?revId=fa03673b-ce04-eb11-96f5-501ac5b31de6)
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0405: Robert Dale Conklin Oct 19, 2020

In episode 5 of Season 4; Rachelle discusses the 1984 murder and mutilation of 28-year-old George Grant Crooks as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for it; Robert Dale Conklin. This case is pretty messed up (which is really no different than any other case on the show)…so, take this as your warning. Have you heard of Joel Guy? Well; think about that but a bit more in depth. Conklin tried to claim self-defense as well as pointing to the death of Crooks as an accident. However, the jury saw right through that, and on July 12, 2005, after 21 years behind bars; Conklin was executed for his crimes.
Was there pre-meditation? How did Conklin act after the death of Crooks? What if the death of Crooks was an accident? And what about that last meal??
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Teen Killers Club - Interview with the Author: Lily Sparks Oct 17, 2020

In this very special episode; Heather is joined by yet another author! This time, the author is Lily Sparks and she describes her new book: Teen Killers Club – which hits shelves everywhere, on November 10, 2020!
In Lily’s own words: “Teen Killers Club, (Crooked Lane/Penguin Random House) is really is built on the theme Nature vs. Narcissism: it's set in a world where convicted killers have their internet activity run through an algorithm and then are classed from A-F based on criminal potential, Class A being the most deadly. The Class A's who are under 18 are then whisked off to an abandoned summer camp to train as assassins. But our main character, a misfit goth, was framed for the murder of her best friend and is actually innocent. (It’s based on the how the Hare Psychopathy checklist is currently used to determine eligibility for parole or the death penalty in many prisons currently.) So, the book really is centered around this question of, is evil innate or learned and at what point can the tide be turned in someone who is headed down the wrong path.”
So, obviously; Heather HAD to interview her…there was no question about it!
Some of her reviewers are just as stoked! Here’s what they’re saying:
“a wicked sense of humor” –Margot Harrison (author of The Glare)
“…sick, twisted, fast-paced fun” –Kendare Blake (NYT bestselling author of Three Dark Crowns)
“highly addictive and uncomfortably heartfelt” –Joelle Charbonneau (NYT bestselling author of The Testing)
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0404: Wanda Jean Allen Oct 07, 2020

In episode 4 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 1981 manslaughter of Dedra Pettus and the 1989 murder of Gloria Jean Leathers - as well as the woman who was convicted AND executed for one of their deaths; Wanda Jean Allen. This case has plenty of mitigating factors and in today’s society; I don’t think that it would have turned out the way that it did. However, on January 11, 2001, the courts didn’t see it that way and Allen – after 12 years on death row; was executed by the State of Oklahoma.
There were two dozen family members of Dedra and Gloria, who were in attendance at her execution. But Wanda seemed to be playing games…or at least appeared to be acting “childish” to some who witnessed the execution. Her last meal? Well, I don’t know that I would call that a meal.
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0403: Edmund Zagorski Sep 23, 2020

In episode 3 of Season 4; our Rachelle discusses the 1984 murders of 35-year-old John Dale Dotson and 32-year-old James Wayne "Jimmy" Porter as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for their murders; Edmund Zagorski. This was a very interesting case; to say the least. Some of the mannerisms and actions of Zagoski were of the most interesting. Was he a mercenary? Was he in fear of his own life? Were these the ONLY serious crimes that he had ever committed? So many questions. Not enough time. And how about that last meal?? EWWWWW.
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0402: Steven Michael Woods, Jr. Sep 14, 2020

In episode 2 of Season 4; Heather discusses the 2001 double murders of 21-year-old Ronald Whitehead and 19-year-old Bethena Brosz as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for their murders; Steven Michael Woods, Jr. This is another case that has some twists and turns leading some to believe that Woods didn’t actually commit the murders. However, the courts didn’t see it that way and Woods was executed by the Texas Department of Justice in September of 2011.
Although this case has a lot of similarities to the Odell Barnes, Jr. case in episode 1; the last meal was quite different.
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0401: Odell Barnes Jr Aug 31, 2020

In episode 1 of Season 4; our Rachelle discusses the 1989 murder of Helen Bass as well as the man who was convicted AND executed for her murder; Odell Barnes, Jr. There are a lot of twists and turns in this case - including some serious reasonable doubt that garnered international media attention. But what may be even more interesting than the fact that investigators could determine the age of Helen's lamp...may quite possibly be Odell's choice of a last meal.
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LR - The Death of Lana Clarkson Jun 30, 2020

In this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Melissa MORGAN Humphreys (hump-freeeeeze) of the Just the Tip-sters Podcast. FINALLY!! We have been wanting to collaborate for about a year and a half? We will be discussing the murder OR death of Lana Clarkson. Some say murder, while others say death…because of the details and lack of evidence. This is a case that was presented to me back in Season 2 as a listener request and I asked Melissa if she would like to cover it with me. Which, I’m glad she did, because there were so many twists and turns…plus her connection to the case is super interesting!
In 2003, actress Lana Clarkson’s body was found in the foyer of record producer Phil Spector’s mansion…or as we like to call it; his Dracula castle. All the way up until about 15-20 minutes into recording, Heather was set on what she thought happened on that fateful morning. However, once she started discussing the case with Melissa…her entire viewpoint and opinion shifted!
Throughout this episode, We will also discuss our theories about what may have happened as well as Phil Spector’s professional impact on the music industry.
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0312 - Sante Kimes is coming to towwwn Jun 29, 2020

In episode 12 of Season 3; our season FINALE, we will discuss Sante Kimes. Sante Kimes is much easier to say than the mouthful of a name she was born with – Sandra Louise Singhrs. She was born on July 24, 1934 in Oklahoma City, OK. Sante was kind of a badass…but not in the good way; if there is a good way. She was motivated by money and would hurt whomever she had to in order to get what she wanted.
Sante was eventually convicted of two murders, robbery, forgery, violation of anti-slavery laws, and much more. Yes, I said violation of anti-slavery laws. So, what’s that mean exactly? We had the same question until Rachelle dug into her case a bit.
Sante had a way with men. A way to make them do as she said. This manipulation and perhaps fear that she put into others, is exactly how her son ended up helping her commit crimes…even murder. Yep, mommy and Clyde.
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LR - The Smiley Face Killers Jun 26, 2020

In this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Jon Towers of the Abracast Podcast. We will be discussing the Smiley Face Killers…or rather, the theory that they exist. This is a case that Jon presented to me back in Season 2 and he has some interesting insights and connections to different locations within the case(s).
In 2008, retired New York Police Department detective Kevin Gannon and his team of investigators went public with their theory and have attempted to prove the existence of the Smiley Face Killers. They believe the serial killer gang murders college-aged men and dumps their remains in nearby bodies of water, leaving behind sinister happy face graffiti at the death sites. So, we are going to discuss several of the deaths that have led police to believe in the existence of this sinister gang. We will also discuss our theories about what may have happened to the victims mentioned in this episode.
Additionally, we discuss our morbid curiosity with bones (human?)…found in one of our yards! We will be posting these photos on the website as well!
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0311 - Oh my darling, Clementine Jun 22, 2020

In episode 11 of Season 3, we will discuss Clementine Barnabet; or should we say, Clementine BarnaBRAT?! This is another older case…so the exact day that Clementine was born on, is unclear. However, we do know that she was born sometime in 1894. Clementine was a serial killer and a cult member…who established the “Church of Sacrifice” with her father. This doesn’t sound scary at all…we’d totally attend every Sunday…NOT!
Clementine confessed to 35 murders; 17 of which she committed by herself. That’s pretty messed up on its own. But, what if we told you that she was 15 years old when she started murdering people? Here’s the kicker; she didn’t murder one at a time – she always killed families – families whom she and her father deemed as sinners. This included young children too; as young as 11 months old.
This case is kind of like a roller coaster ride; so be sure to keep your hands and feet inside the car at all times. Once the ride is over; you’ll be shocked to see who folks believe Clementine turned out to be…
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LR - Murder at the Back Forty Jun 19, 2020

In this listener request episode, we will be discussing a case that Ashley (from our previous bonus episode - The Serial Killer Cookbook: Interview with author Ashley Lecker) presented to me a few months back. We will be talking about the Back 40 Murder of Margaret Anderson. Which was a VERY VERY brutal crime. This is your warning now…if you can’t stomach brutal details; maybe skip this episode. It actually made Heather a bit uneasy to discuss. But, if you’re a trooper and you want to listen to this episode, minus the awful details; then you can start skipping forward at 33 minutes and come back after 39 minutes and 15 seconds.
This is a case that resonated with Ashley as she lives in Green Bay, WI and has been in the area her entire life. Ashley even went to the location and grabbed photos of the scenes as they look today (you will be able to find them on the social media pages and the website).
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Motive for Murder Discussion with Josh Mankiewicz Jun 18, 2020

GoodPods set up an awesome event and invited Josh Mankiewicz to discuss his new podcast “Motive for Murder”. There ended up being more hosts than time allotted; so, the hosts (Heather, included) were able to sit in and have a Meet & Greet via Zoom with Josh! This audio can be found on Patreon!
The actual discussion with Josh - where he talks about his podcast AND answers our questions - is what you're listening to right now! Enjoy!
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0310 - Damn it, Diane! Jun 16, 2020

In episode 10 of Season 3, we will discuss Diane Odell. Born on 1953; who, is responsible for the death of four babies…her own babies. Her case is referred to as “The Babies in Boxes Murder Case”. From that tag alone; I’m sure you can determine where her babies were found. But, do you know how long they were there?
Diane ended up giving birth to a total of twelve babies…eight of which were given the chance to grow into functioning members of society. The four babies who weren’t so lucky were carried around in boxes from home to home and from state to state over the course of at least 10 years.
She would have kept this up had she not defaulted on her storage rent. The storage unit was sold off and the buyer found the babies in the boxes. But why these three babies? Why did three babies die and eight babies live? In this episode, you’ll find out what Diane told the courts about the demise of her children.
Diane was sentenced to 25 years to life in prison, in 2004.
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0309 - Come on, Charlene Jun 08, 2020

In episode 9 of Season 3, we will discuss Charlene Adelle Gallego. Born on October 10, 1956; who, with the direction and assistance of her husband, abducted, raped, and murdered at least 10 victims. Together, the duo was known as the “sex slave killers” or the “love slave killers”. According to Charlene, her husband experienced impotence and brought forth the idea that the two could lure young women and keep them captive as their sex slaves. Apparently, she didn’t know he planned to kill them as well.
But, that didn’t deter her from still helping him after the first, second, third, fourth, and fifth victims. She would lure the girls from busy malls, fairs, and even the side of the highway. Sometimes with the promise of marijuana. Once in the vehicle, her husband would force the victims in at gun point. Charlene would drive whilst her husband brutally raped the victims…sometimes for hours at a time. Once he was done with them; Charlene would pull into a deserted area off the roadway/in the woods. Her husband would exit the vehicle – with the victims – kill them, and then dump or bury their bodies in a shallow grave.
This is definitely something that one should see the death penalty for…or at the very least, spend the rest of their life in prison for; right? Not in this case. Charlene is out of prison and walking among us…
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Josh Mankiewicz / Motive for Murder - Exclusive Discussion Details Jun 06, 2020

Join Heather for an exclusive discussion with host @JoshMankiewicz about podcast Motive for Murder with Goodpods - the new podcast social network. Search for Motive for Murder and submit your questions on the discussions tab before noon PDT June 10.
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0308 - Daaaaamn Dorothea, Back at it again with the Old Men Jun 01, 2020

In episode 8 of Season 3, we will discuss Dorothea Puente…meanie grannie. Born in Redlands, California in 1929; Dorothea’s childhood was way less then ideal. By the time she was 9 years old; both her mother and her father had passed away (father from tuberculosis and mother from cancer). But that wasn’t the sad part. Her mother and father were super abusive to her. Dorothea’s formative years were scathed by abuse and torture. At some point during her adolescence, she even stayed in an orphanage for a while; where she was sexually abused.
By the time Dorothea was 16, she was grown…and married her first husband. Over the next several years; she became pregnant three times. She gave one child to relatives, another – she put up for adoption, and the third was a miscarriage. By 1948; her husband had left her.
Shortly thereafter, Dorothea faces her first bout of criminal trouble. She was caught and sentenced to 1 year for forging checks but was paroled after just 6 months. Dorothea then became pregnant AGAIN, by someone whom she barely even knew; and gave her daughter up for adoption, AGAIN! 1952 rolls around and she marries someone whom she stays with for 14 tumultuous years.
After this is when shit gets real. Dorothea was driven for money…and did what she had to in order to get that bread. This includes old men, a boarding house, and government checks…
After at least 9, but possibly 15 victims – Dorothea died in a California prison on March 27, 2011.
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LR - Chris Benoit May 29, 2020

Heather is joined by Brian Olson from the Rabbit Hole Wanderer Podcast for this listener request episode. We discuss the case of Chris Benoit and the documentary surrounding his life and death as well as the murders of his wife and son.
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0307 - Tillie Vanilli May 25, 2020

In episode 7 of Season 3, we will discuss Tillie Klimek. She was a Polish-American serial killer operating in the Ukrainian village of Chicago; better known as Chicago’s Little Poland Neighborhood. Tillie was born in 1876 and died of a heart attack sitting in prison on November 20, 1936. She had at least 5 victims…possibly more. She would poison them with arsenic found in a product called “Rough on Rats”.
Most serial killers operate solo; yes? Not Tillie. She was someone who seemed to really think she was above all. She was eventually referred to as “The High Priestess of the Bluebeard Clique” in the Little Poland neighborhood by the media. There were several other wives arrested for suspicion of murder of their husbands too. However, they were eventually released.
One thing that makes this story even more odd; is the fact that she claimed to have precognitive dreams about her victim’s deaths. These dreams would tell her when they were going to die…
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0306 - Salad with Blanche on the side May 18, 2020

In episode 6 of Season 3, we will discuss Blanche Taylor Moore. She is an American murderer and suspected serial killer. Blanche was born in 1933 and is currently sitting on death row, awaiting execution in a North Carolina prison. She was convicted of the 1986 arsenic poisoning of her boyfriend, BUT she is suspected of also killing her mother-in-law and her first husband, as well as the attempted murder of her second husband in 1989. As with many convicted murderers & serial killers; Blanche had a very rough upbringing. Her father was an abusive alcoholic who would pimp her out to pay his gambling debts. When she was old enough to start her own relationships/get married, she found men with the same qualities as her father. Another thing that we often see with serial killers.
Throughout the proceedings, Blanche was adamant about not killing anyone & never using arsenic poison…even though there were 53 witnesses stating otherwise. She was convicted on November 14, 1990…the jury recommended the death penalty just three days later. Then on January 18, 1991; the judge agreed with the jury’s recommendation and sentenced Blanche Taylor Moore to die by lethal injection. It has been 29 years and Blanche has avoided death…still sitting in the North Carolina Correctional Institution for Women.
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0305 - Scissor me timbers May 11, 2020

In episode 5 of Season 3, we will discuss Lizzie Halliday - an Irish-American serial killer. She was born in Ireland in 1859 but moved to the United States when she was still a young child. She married her first husband in 1879 and then sent her young son to an institution after her husband died. She moved on rather quickly though…running through and tossing out husbands as if they were expired produce. In the mid-1880’s, after her attempt to kill another husband went awry, she fled to Vermont and married someone new. However, that only lasted a couple of weeks before she fled again. In the late 1880’s, she ended up in Philadelphia, where she committed arson and fraud…landing her in the Eastern State Penitentiary in Philadelphia for 2 years. Upon her release, she immediately married again…but this will be the last time. She murdered her friend, her friend’s daughter, her stepson, her husband, and a peddler. These murders landed her in jail AND with a sentence of death. This would have made her the first woman in history, executed by the electric chair – BUT things change. She ended up serving her time in a mental institution with a life sentence as she was declared criminally insane. Lizzie committed one final murder before her death in 1918…and it was quite disturbing…
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0304 - Big Booty Judy May 04, 2020

In episode 4 of Season 3, we will discuss Judy Buenoano - an American serial killer. She had a very terrible upbringing...BUT as we've stated plenty of times in the past, that doesn't give you the right to kill people. She apparently didn't get the memo on this though, because Judy was executed in 1971 for the murder of her son, one of her husbands, and attempted murder of another one of her husbands. For these crimes, she received a 12-year-sentence for the attempted murder of one husband, a life sentence for her son's death, and a death sentence for another husband. On top of these CONFIRMED cases, there were several others who mysteriously became ill and died while under her care/married to her. She ALSO faced several charges of insurance fraud and suspected on several counts of arson (for insurance purposes). What we've learned with this case is to NOT take out life insurance on yourself. Oh! And...change your name every time you kill someone...
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0303 - Sack of Dick Apr 27, 2020

In episode 3 of Season 3, we will discuss one of the most sensationalized criminal events in Canadian history. Evelyn Dick (aka The Torso Killer) was a stunningly beautiful woman who basically grew up in a society where her looks would get her whatever she wanted. Even in the end, there was something about her that kept her from really serving time for her crimes. At the age of 24/25, she murdered and mutilated her husband...leaving only his torso on "The Mountain" (at Niagara Falls). What investigators discovered in her home though; was just as disturbing. She ended up not serving time for her estranged husband's death AND only 11 years for manslaughter of her second victim. So, who was the second victim? And what happened to her once she was paroled? IF alive today, she is 99 years old.
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The Serial Killer Cookbook (Interview with Author - Ashley Lecker) Apr 24, 2020

How about a dessert episode (aka a BONUS)? Heather had the absolute pleasure and opportunity to interview one of the coolest and most interesting people she’s ever met! Ashley Lecker is the author of a new book called “The Serial Killer Cookbook”. This book is super fun as Ashley takes you on a trip through history by providing synopses of killers who were on death row. She re-creates their last meals in a fun and easy way…even Heather can make these dishes! This is perfect for the true crime enthusiast! Grab some friends, chat about killers, and cook their last meals! That’s a Friday night that I could get into!
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0302 - Waneta job Apr 20, 2020

This is the second episode of SEASON 3 - where we'll be discussing FEMALE KILLERS! Waneta Ethel Hoyt was an American serial killer who was convicted of killing ALL 5 of her biological children. Her children kept dying from what doctors suspected to be SIDS. However, in 1985, there was a prosecutor who was working on a murder case and was advised by a forensic pathologist that there may in fact be a serial killer in his area. The forensic pathologist suspected this AFTER reading a report on SIDS and the Hoyt family (although their names were redacted). The prosecutor became the District Attorney in 1992 and tracked down the Hoyt's even without their names being disclosed in the report. This DA was the reason that Waneta was caught. In 1995, she was sentenced to 75 years in prison...15 years per child. However, she didn't end up serving her full sentence...but why?
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0301 - Geneeeeene Apr 20, 2020

This is the first episode of SEASON 3 - where we'll be discussing FEMALE KILLERS! Genene Anne Jones is an American serial killer who is currently serving her prison sentence in Texas. In 1985, she was sentenced to 99 years in prison for killing a 15-month-old baby girl with Succinylcholine and an additional 60 years (to be served concurrently) for almost killing a 4-week-old with an overdose of Heparin. As of 2020, there have been developments in this case.
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BONUS: Why you do this to me, Rona? Apr 06, 2020

Heather and Rachelle discuss how the COVID19 quarantine is treating them. Rachelle has a secret hidden talent/hobby that many don't know about...and Heather has been talking to her dogs EVEN MORE than normal. Sometimes we take multiple showers a day to get that hug and sense of compassion from the warm water. Luna may be shipped to Rachelle's for a while...

NvN Trailer Apr 01, 2020

This is the NEW trailer for the RELAUNCH of Nature vs Narcissism! Anything before March 31, 2020 is a different format and the old version of NVN. Starting in April 2020, you will see a brand new version of NVN - shall we say; NVN 2.0?! You're in store for a lot of exciting stuff with NVN!
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Announcement: changes to the show! Mar 31, 2020

TONS of change to the show! But we think you'll be very pleased! NVN is going in an entirely new direction and there are lots of fun things in store for you!!
Stay tuned for the new trailer - dropping on April 1, 2020!

FACEBOOK & TWITTER Giveaway Winners! Mar 30, 2020

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LR - The Murder of Dana Marie Ireland Mar 24, 2020

This is our FINAL listener request episode for Season 2. After this episode, we will be changing up the format and there will be announcements in the upcoming weeks! If we've already planned episodes with you; don't fret, it will still happen...just in a different way. A way that YOU, the listeners, would like.
For this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Hawaii native and podcaster; Breaker! We will delve into the very complicated and tragic death of 23-year-old Dana Marie Ireland. Dana died shortly after midnight on Christmas morning in 1991. After shopping with her mother and her older sister, she decided to take a bike ride to a friend's house to see if he would like to join them for Christmas dinner. This was only about 8 miles away; something that she was quite used to biking. However, as the hours passed, and the friend hadn't seen her; he reached out to the family. They hadn't seen nor heard from her either. That is when all of their lives changed forever. There were so many factors that added up and created the perfect storm for Dana. A storm that would lead to her death. But who is responsible??
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LR - The Mysterious Death of Kenneka Jenkins Mar 23, 2020

This will be one of the last two Listener Request episodes of Season 2. We are changing the format of the show for Season 3 AND have completely stopped the ongoing Season 2. This was a strategic decision made based off of the listener comments and feedback. We want to make the show FOR YOU; so, we are listening to what you want!
Kenneka Jenkins was a 19-year-old who had attended a party at a Chicago hotel on a Friday evening in September of 2017. She was there with several of her friends and planned on leaving the hotel shortly before 3am. She waited by the elevator for her friends to come back with her phone and keys. However, when her friends returned...she was gone. Hours had gone by, police were notified, her mother was notified, and she still hadn't been located. You'll even hear the 911 call that her mother placed to the police. It wasn't until Sunday at around 12:48am when Kenneka Jenkins' body was discovered, frozen solid, in the hotel freezer. Her death was ruled accidental...but so many of the pieces don't fit. Join Heather and Rachel as we delve into the mysterious death of Kenneka Jenkins.
Follow Rachel on Twitter: @BrooksRstl
Sources
https://www.rosemont.com
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/rosemont-il
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-19-0704190090-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-xpm-2007-04-19-0704190090-story.html
https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/illinois/rosemont.html
https://youtu.be/qXzu_8dcx58
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-met-kenneka-jenkins-report-20171013-story.html
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-woman-found-dead-rosemont-hotel-20170910-story.html
https://www.news.com.au/world/north-america/mother-of-teen-who-stumbled-into-hotels-walkin-freezer-suing-after-horrific-death/news-story/9d157a86456df70fe113df71c7f47994
https://youtu.be/0BBOI2cDL2g

(S2) Oakland, California (Tommy Lynn Sells) Mar 23, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
This will be our FINAL episode of Season 2. We know that we haven't finished the alphabet but there are some changes coming to the format, based on what the listeners want. More to come in the following days/announcements on this.
In this episode, Heather is joined by Roseanne from the Killafornia Dreaming podcast to discuss Tommy Lynn Sells. Tommy was born in Oakland, California on June 28, 1964 and was a serial killer who was known to rape his victims. He gave himself the moniker of Coast to Coast Killer as he murdered his victims from states all over the nation. Although he only had a handful of confirmed victims, he claimed to have killed 70 people. One of the most disturbing aspects about this case, and really about Tommy himself, is that he didn't have a type as far as his victims. He killed men, women, and children.
His murders spanned from 1980 until 1999 and he was apprehended in January of 2000. He was sentenced to death on November 8, 2000 and died of lethal injection on April 3, 2014 at a Texas prison.
Subscribe to: Killafornia Dreaming Podcast
Sources:
https://matadornetwork.com/trips/11-surprising-facts-oakland/
http://www.casselsf.com/25-things-oakland/
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/oakland-ca/#demographics
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/ca/oakland/crime
https://www.areavibes.com/oakland-ca/crime/
https://murderpedia.org/male.S/s/sells-tommy-lynn.htm
https://www.thoughtco.com/serial-killer-tommy-lynn-sells-973154
http://www.clarkprosecutor.org/html/death/US/sells1374.htm
http://montgomerycountypolicereporter.com/murder-case-reopened-executed-killer/
https://dianefanning.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V7EL-Yg8Gg
https://books.google.com/books?id=IVRfs_5TmpYC&pg=PA229&lpg=PA229&dq=Tommy+Lynn+Sells+meningitis&source=bl&ots=vYjB6NAweE&sig=--kYgrIppA7tRFRTva6icfkkSWI&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjMx8rdiKTUAhUS0mMKHUKrDLg4ChDoAQhNMAg#v=onepage&q=Tommy%20Lynn%20Sells%20meningitis&f=false
https://abcnews.go.com/2020/story?id=784420

(S2) Milwaukee, Wisconsin (Steven Zelich) Mar 01, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
*As with pretty much ALL of our episodes, this is not suitable for children. We discuss VERY adult content throughout the episode. *
In episode 29 of season 2, Heather is joined by Dick from the Being There and Off the Cuffs Podcasts. We discuss Steven Zelich; who is a former law enforcement officer who was convicted and imprisoned for the murders of 19-year-old Jenny Gamez and 37-year-old Laura Simonson. Both of whom were found deceased and inside of suitcases on the side of the highway. Steven was given the moniker “The Suitcase Murderer”. He attempted to claim that the deaths of these two women were accidents. Accidents that occurred during consensual kinky sex. Dick sheds some light on the kink community and how Zelich’s claim really doesn’t add up.
Promo for Being There – in this episode (go subscribe)
Subscribe to Off The Cuffs as well
Sources
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/milwaukee-population/
https://www.areavibes.com/milwaukee-wi/crime/
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/wi/milwaukee/crime
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/4/steven-zelich-former-cop-admits-murdering-second-w/
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/feb/3/ex-wisconsin-policeman-pleads-guilty-to-minnesota-/
https://fox6now.com/2017/10/13/steven-zelich-sentenced-to-10-years-for-hiding-bodies-of-women-in-suitcases/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jenny-gamez_n_5547162
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/jenny-gamez-found-in-suitcase_n_5545026
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/laura-simonson_n_5535056
https://newsmaven.io/pinacnews/cops-in-cuffs/wi-police-ignored-years-of-complaints-against-fellow-cop-sentenced-SCyuA63ZxE-DaIiDpoz7kg
https://lawandcrime.com/crazy/ex-cop-admits-he-killed-woman-during-sex-game/
https://www.inforum.com/news/3292018-former-wisconsin-police-officer-arrested-death-farmington-woman

LR - The Murder of Dr. Teresa Sievers Feb 28, 2020

For this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Paul from the Varmints Podcast. Paul requested this case as he lives in Bonita Springs, FL; very close to where this murder occurred.
Dr. Teresa Sievers was a very successful and well-known holistic medicine physician practicing in Bonita Springs, FL. She and her husband Mark Sievers owned and operated their own practice called Restorative Health and Healing Center. On June 28, 2015, Teresa had just returned home early from a family vacation as she had patients to see on that following Monday. No sooner than she walked into the door of her home, was she brutally murdered by not one, but two intruders. But were they there to burglarize her home and she spooked them? Or was it something more nefarious?
In this episode, you’ll learn about this horribly tragic case from someone who lives in the neighborhood. You’ll also hear all about the twists and turns that this case has. Just when you think you have a solid alibi; the police swoop in and prove you wrong.
Sources
https://www.visitflorida.com/en-us/cities/bonita-springs.html
https://datausa.io/profile/geo/bonita-springs-fl/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.fox4now.com/news/local-news/famous-in-swfl-who-are-the-celebrities-that-call-southwest-florida-home%3f_amp=true
http://rgclubcard.com/bonita-estero/history-fun-facts/
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/bonita-springs/crime
https://www.winknews.com/2019/05/14/teresa-sievers-the-life-behind-the-murder-victim/
https://www.news-press.com/restricted/?return=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.news-press.com%2Fstory%2Fnews%2Fcrime%2F2019%2F10%2F01%2Fteresa-sievers-murder-trial-timeline-case%2F3793769002%2F
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.news-press.com/amp/4761767002
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/teresa-sievers-murder-husband-mark-lookalike/
https://youtu.be/PkvUEiQUtQY
https://youtu.be/73BP4hdGVuI
https://youtu.be/KICgdJZmL2E

(S2) Molalla, Oregon (Dayton Leroy Rogers: Part 2) Feb 21, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
THIS IS A GRAPHIC EPISODE; CONTAINING VERY ADULT CONTENT
Part 2 of 2
In episode 28 of Season 2, Heather is joined by listener and true crime addict; Sam Simpson. In this episode, we discuss the Molalla Forest Killer - Dayton Leroy Rogers from Molalla, Oregon. He was classified as a serial killer who was known to rape and torture his victims. Although he was only active for a short time in 1987; that we know of - he claimed the lives of 7 to 8 women between the ages of 16 and 35. To his victims; all of whom were from a vulnerable population as they were runaways, drug addicts, and sex workers - he was known as "Steve the Gambler". Bloodlust. That's what he called the actions he took when causing harm to and eventually killing his victims due to the excruciating headache pain that he experienced. He indicated that causing the blood to come out of his victims was the only way to remedy his own pain. He was sentenced to death on June 9, 1989 and re-sentenced on March 8, 2006.
Sources
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/molalla-or-population/
https://www.citytowninfo.com/places/oregon/molalla
http://www.lisajackson.com/series.cfm
https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Molalla-Oregon.html
https://www.areavibes.com/molalla-or/crime/
https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/oregon/molalla.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/women_who_escaped_serial_kille.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/11/serial_killer_dayton_leroy_rog_1.html
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/oregon/molalla-forest-killer-or/
https://katu.com/news/local/after-30-some-years-remains-tied-to-serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers
https://kval.com/news/local/dayton-leroy-rogers-serial-killers-death-sentence-vacated-by-court
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dayton-leroy-rogers_n_1181287
https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rogers-dayton-leroy.htm
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/ore-serial-killer-rogers-sentenced-to-death-for-4th-time/156017
https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Lust-Portrait-Serial-Killer-ebook/dp/B0053ZHL0E
https://www.clackamas.us/sheriff/pressreleases/2013-11-18-CCSOPR-SerialKillerVictimID.html
https://truecrimecases.blogspot.com/2012/08/dayton-leroy-rogers.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2015/11/defense_says_serial_killer_day.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/families_tell_jury_of_pain_ser.html
https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/dayton-rogers.html
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/
https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/grave-secrets-spotlights-molalla-forest-murderer-dayton-leroy-rogers/
https://www.famousdetails.com/dayton-leroy-rogers/
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/page/oregon_death_row.html

(S2) Molalla, Oregon (Dayton Leroy Rogers: Part 1) Feb 21, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
THIS IS A GRAPHIC EPISODE; CONTAINING VERY ADULT CONTENT
Part 1 of 2
In episode 28 of Season 2, Heather is joined by listener and true crime addict; Sam Simpson. In this episode, we discuss the Molalla Forest Killer - Dayton Leroy Rogers from Molalla, Oregon. He was classified as a serial killer who was known to rape and torture his victims. Although he was only active for a short time in 1987; that we know of - he claimed the lives of 7 to 8 women between the ages of 16 and 35. To his victims; all of whom were from a vulnerable population as they were runaways, drug addicts, and sex workers - he was known as "Steve the Gambler". Bloodlust. That's what he called the actions he took when causing harm to and eventually killing his victims due to the excruciating headache pain that he experienced. He indicated that causing the blood to come out of his victims was the only way to remedy his own pain. He was sentenced to death on June 9, 1989 and re-sentenced on March 8, 2006.
Sources
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/molalla-or-population/
https://www.citytowninfo.com/places/oregon/molalla
http://www.lisajackson.com/series.cfm
https://www.city-data.com/crime/crime-Molalla-Oregon.html
https://www.areavibes.com/molalla-or/crime/
https://www.cityrating.com/crime-statistics/oregon/molalla.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/women_who_escaped_serial_kille.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/11/serial_killer_dayton_leroy_rog_1.html
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/oregon/molalla-forest-killer-or/
https://katu.com/news/local/after-30-some-years-remains-tied-to-serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers
https://kval.com/news/local/dayton-leroy-rogers-serial-killers-death-sentence-vacated-by-court
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dayton-leroy-rogers_n_1181287
https://murderpedia.org/male.R/r/rogers-dayton-leroy.htm
https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/ore-serial-killer-rogers-sentenced-to-death-for-4th-time/156017
https://www.amazon.in/Blood-Lust-Portrait-Serial-Killer-ebook/dp/B0053ZHL0E
https://www.clackamas.us/sheriff/pressreleases/2013-11-18-CCSOPR-SerialKillerVictimID.html
https://truecrimecases.blogspot.com/2012/08/dayton-leroy-rogers.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-city/2015/11/defense_says_serial_killer_day.html
https://www.oregonlive.com/clackamascounty/2015/10/families_tell_jury_of_pain_ser.html
https://www.famousbirthdays.com/people/dayton-rogers.html
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/
https://www.monstersandcritics.com/smallscreen/grave-secrets-spotlights-molalla-forest-murderer-dayton-leroy-rogers/
https://www.famousdetails.com/dayton-leroy-rogers/
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2017/12/05/serial-killer-dayton-leroy-rogers-the-molalla-forest-killer-killed-at-least-8-women-probably-several-more-sentenced-to-death-for-6-of-the-savage-murders/
https://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/page/oregon_death_row.html

LR - Lemp Family Feb 19, 2020

For this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Chris from the Killer Jobs Podcast. One of our very loyal listeners from Instagram requested this one, and I'm glad she did because this was a really interesting story! Thank you @Brooksr86!
Between losing stability in their business to suicide, grief, murder, animal murder and now HAUNTINGS...it's just so much to deal with. That is why we've created the hashtag #LempFamilyShit for this episode - shout out to Kris from the Hack or Slash Podcast !
So, join us as we delve into the history of the Lemp Family, all of their accomplishments, and all of their downfalls.
Sources
https://www.stlouis-mo.gov/
https://www.infoplease.com/world/us-cities/st-louis-mo
https://www.onlyinyourstate.com/missouri/st-louis/fun-facts-about-st-louis/
http://www.lempmansion.com/history.htm
https://the-line-up.com/lemp-family-mansion

LR - Sexton Parent Murders (Part 2) Feb 15, 2020

In this listener request episode, Heather is joined again by Kimberly - who is a SUPER listener and Patreon supporter! She has requested a case from her small hometown in Oregon. This case stood out to her as it was all over the media at the time as nothing like that had happened in her town before. This is Part 2, so if you haven't done so already - please listen to part 1 first.
We already know what the first and second officers observed at the home (blood, shell casings, sheetrock on the floor, an earring, and some meaty substance. But where were the parents? If they were dead, then who would have committed the murders, the cops would wonder. All along though, they had the suspects in their sight...at a traffic stop at 1am. By 5:30am, units were all over the home to search for the bodies and begin their investigation...their double homicide investigation.
Sources
https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=22542909&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjIwMDI2OTI1MywiaWF0IjoxNTgwNDEzOTI3LCJleHAiOjE1ODA1MDAzMjd9.ATSlUYq0Hw4GRaAl-i8PaDAmvZa6D0x-Gm6E1sfYV5s
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/or-court-of-appeals/1688687.html

LR - Sexton Parent Murders (Part 1) Feb 15, 2020

HAPPY Valentine's Day!!
In this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Kimberly - who is a SUPER listener and Patreon supporter! She has requested a case from her small hometown in Oregon. This case stood out to her as it was all over the media at the time as nothing like that had happened in her town before. ALSO - Brian was in her elementary school class...AND asked her out on Valentine's Day! Did she take him up on the offer?
When she first reached out to me about it, I had never heard about it - which is crazy considering the details surrounding the case. Two juveniles (17-year-old Michael Ryan Sexton & 13-year-old Brian Adam Sexton) were arrested for the murder of their parents and the disposal of their bodies. Luckily though, they were terrible at covering up their crimes AND getting away. They were apprehended hours after committing the murders. But how were they caught? What did the police find?
Sources
https://www.newspapers.com/image/?clipping_id=22542909&fcfToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJmcmVlLXZpZXctaWQiOjIwMDI2OTI1MywiaWF0IjoxNTgwNDEzOTI3LCJleHAiOjE1ODA1MDAzMjd9.ATSlUYq0Hw4GRaAl-i8PaDAmvZa6D0x-Gm6E1sfYV5s
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/or-court-of-appeals/1688687.html
http://cdn.ca9.uscourts.gov/datastore/opinions/2012/05/17/10-35055.pdf

(S2) Lakeland, Florida (Christine Falling: Part 2) Feb 14, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In episode 27 of season 2, Heather is joined by Brittany F. who is a fellow Cincinnati-an and SOON-to-be podcast host! She has been on multiple podcasts before Nature vs Narcissism and is currently working on creating her own! Be sure to follow @TrashLikeUs on Twitter for updates!
In this 2-part episode, we discuss a female serial killer from Florida. Have you ever had a babysitter? The main job of a babysitter is to keep the child alive, no? Well, apparently that was the opposite of what this lady thought. Christine Laverne Falling was just 17 years old when she started murdering children. These children were all under her care when they died and red flags weren't really raised. Why not? Also, why did she kill innocent children? Christine killed between the years of 1980 and 1982, until she was arrested. She was found guilty of three murders on December 3, 1982 and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for at least twenty five years. She ended up confessing to more than 3 murders though...and one of them wasn't a child.
Sources
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/lakelandcityflorida/IPE120218
https://www.movoto.com/guide/lakeland-fl/moving-to-lakeland/
https://www.digarc.com/blog/2015/08/friday-fun-fact-lakeland-fl/
https://laltoday.6amcity.com/interesting-facts-lakeland-fl/
http://www.city-data.com/city/Lakeland-Florida.html
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/fl/lakeland/crime-rate-statistics
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/lakeland/crime
https://www.areavibes.com/lakeland-fl/crime/
Michael Newton - An Encyclopedia of Modern Serial Killers - Hunting Humans
https://www.thoughtco.com/christine-falling-case-971320
https://murderpedia.org/female.F/f/falling-christine.htm
https://hadenajames.wordpress.com/2019/10/03/christine-falling/
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-syndrome
https://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Killer-Babysitter-will-stay-behind-bars--460878833.html

(S2) Lakeland, Florida (Christine Falling: Part 1) Feb 14, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In episode 27 of season 2, Heather is joined by Brittany F. who is a fellow Cincinnati-an and SOON-to-be podcast host! She has been on multiple podcasts before Nature vs Narcissism and is currently working on creating her own! Be sure to follow @TrashLikeUs on Twitter for updates!
In this 2-part episode, we discuss a female serial killer from Florida. Have you ever had a babysitter? The main job of a babysitter is to keep the child alive, no? Well, apparently that was the opposite of what this lady thought. Christine Laverne Falling was just 17 years old when she started murdering children. These children were all under her care when they died and red flags weren't really raised. Why not? Also, why did she kill innocent children? Christine killed between the years of 1980 and 1982, until she was arrested. She was found guilty of three murders on December 3, 1982 and sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for at least twenty five years. She ended up confessing to more than 3 murders though...and one of them wasn't a child.
Sources
https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/fact/table/lakelandcityflorida/IPE120218
https://www.movoto.com/guide/lakeland-fl/moving-to-lakeland/
https://www.digarc.com/blog/2015/08/friday-fun-fact-lakeland-fl/
https://laltoday.6amcity.com/interesting-facts-lakeland-fl/
http://www.city-data.com/city/Lakeland-Florida.html
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/fl/lakeland/crime-rate-statistics
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/fl/lakeland/crime
https://www.areavibes.com/lakeland-fl/crime/
Michael Newton - An Encyclopedia of Modern Serial Killers - Hunting Humans
https://www.thoughtco.com/christine-falling-case-971320
https://murderpedia.org/female.F/f/falling-christine.htm
https://hadenajames.wordpress.com/2019/10/03/christine-falling/
https://www.webmd.com/mental-health/munchausen-syndrome
https://www.wjhg.com/content/news/Killer-Babysitter-will-stay-behind-bars--460878833.html

LR - Odessa, TX (Michael Eugene Sharp) Feb 12, 2020

In this listener request episode, Heather is joined by Julie Ortega from the Women Behind the Veil Podcast to discuss a serial killer from Odessa, Texas. Our listener, Sal from Texas has requested this case and I'm glad that we now know about this sicko! Michael Eugene Sharp was classified as a murderer who kidnapped and raped his victims first. He had at least 2 confirmed victims but suspected of more. At the age of 28, he killed a mother (31-year-old Brenda Kay Broadway) and her 8-year-old daughter (Christy Elms). He kidnapped Brenda's 14-year-old daughter as well, but she was able to escape; which led to his arrest just 5 days later. Michael was executed by lethal injection in Texas on November 19, 1997 (at 43 years old) and 14-year-old Selena Elms attended his execution.
Check out and Subscribe - Women Behind the Veil Podcast
Sources
https://www.odessa-tx.gov/residents/august-31-2019-mass-shooting http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/odessa-population/ https://datausa.io/profile/geo/odessa-tx-metro-area https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/tx/odessa/crime https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-5th-circuit/1229773.html
https://www.oaoa.com/news/local/article_d28066fa-cb04-11e8-8f71-074b13149a61.html https://www.oaoa.com/article_256f07d9-762c-50f7-93c2-c0cd11f43768.html

LR - #JusticeForAlissa (Part 2) Feb 02, 2020

The last day that Alissa Marie Turney was seen by anyone was on the last day of school on May 17, 2001. There were several things about Michael’s actions this day that stood out to both Scott Fuller and myself when we originally took on Alissa’s case for Status Pending.
Since covering her case on Status Pending, Scott and I have had the chance to really get to know Sarah and we’ve become very close friends with her. Additionally, along the way, we’ve come to know and learn so much more about Alissa’s case than I ever imagined. Not only from talking to Sarah on a regular basis, but from Sarah creating her own podcast and sharing the story with hundreds of thousands more people! Sarah is doing some pretty amazing things for Alissa’s case and I feel like a proud momma watching her dedication, determination, persistence, love, and hard work pay off!
In this listener request episode, Heather sits down with Sarah Turney to talk about her sister's case.
Find Sarah and see all the things she is doing:
Voices For Justice Facebook Page
Voices For Justice - on Apple Podcasts
Voices For Justice - Merch Store
Voices For Justice on Twitter
Voices For Justice Billboard - GoFundMe
Voices For Justice on Instagram
Voices For Justice Website

1,000 Instagram Follower Giveaway! Feb 01, 2020

We have announced the 1,000 Instagram Follower Giveaway WINNERS!!! If you're mentioned in this announcement, please email naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com with your address so I can send your prizes out!
Also, stay tuned to the upcoming Slay Series episodes for an announcement of our next giveaway occurring VERY SOON!
WINNERS:
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LR - #JusticeForAlissa (Part 1) Feb 01, 2020

The last day that Alissa Marie Turney was seen by anyone was on the last day of school on May 17, 2001. There were several things about Michael’s actions this day that stood out to both Scott Fuller and myself when we originally took on Alissa’s case for Status Pending.
Since covering her case on Status Pending, Scott and I have had the chance to really get to know Sarah and we’ve become very close friends with her. Additionally, along the way, we’ve come to know and learn so much more about Alissa’s case than I ever imagined. Not only from talking to Sarah on a regular basis, but from Sarah creating her own podcast and sharing the story with hundreds of thousands more people! Sarah is doing some pretty amazing things for Alissa’s case and I feel like a proud momma watching her dedication, determination, persistence, love, and hard work pay off!
In this listener request episode, Heather sits down with Sarah Turney to talk about her sister's case.
Find Sarah and see all the things she is doing:
Voices For Justice Facebook Page
Voices For Justice - on Apple Podcasts
Voices For Justice - Merch Store
Voices For Justice on Twitter
Voices For Justice Billboard - GoFundMe
Voices For Justice on Instagram
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(S2) Frankford Slasher: Revisited (Interview with Victim's Relative) Jan 09, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
January 8, 1987 - 33 years ago today; a 28-year-old woman by the name of Jeanne Durkin lost her life. She was stabbed to death & with over 70 stab wounds...she was considered the most brutal death of the Frankford Slasher's 7-9 victims.
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In our August 30, 2019 episode - Scott joins Heather to share the research he found on this case. What he found is quite disturbing. You can listen to that episode here: https://www.spreaker.com/episode/18914589
In this episode; Heather is joined again by Scott but also by Jeanne Durkin's granddaughter, Kate! She shares some family information with us as well as her theories on the case. You can follow her on Instagram via the handle @katelynncarr_

(S2) Kalamazoo, MI (Danny & Larry Ranes) Jan 05, 2020

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
FIRST OFF; HAPPY FUCKING BIRTHDAY TO BRITTANY!!! I love you so much, lady! I am so happy to have you in my life and so lucky to have met you when I did!
Thank you so much for all of your research and help on this episode!
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In this episode, Heather is joined by the awesome Brittany to discuss two brothers who ended up becoming serial killers...BUT at different times in their lives.
During their childhood years, the brothers were pretty close to one another. Later in life (I believe while in jail) Danny was quoted saying that Larry was quote "the only companion I had most of my life."
The events began in 1964 when 19-year-old Larry killed his first victim. He ended up confessing to five murders in total...but tried for just one. He then received a second trial but turned it down and decided to go with his original sentence of life in prison.
Danny, on the other hand, made headlines during Larry's retrial when he was charged with a string of murders in 1973.
There were many differences between their victims, their MOs, and potentially their reasons for killing.
The Ranes brothers are not discussed nearly enough in the true crime world.
Sources
https://www.kalamazoocity.org/
https://www.discoverkalamazoo.com/
https://www.kalcounty.com/
http://www.city-data.com/city/Kalamazoo-Michigan.html
https://www.kalamazoomi.com/hisf.htm
http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/kalamazoo-mi-population/
https://www.macrotrends.net/cities/us/mi/kalamazoo/crime-rate-statistics
https://www.neighborhoodscout.com/mi/kalamazoo/crime
https://www.areavibes.com/kalamazoo-mi/crime/
https://listverse.com/2014/04/10/10-cases-of-sibling-serial-killers/
https://mylifeofcrime.wordpress.com/2016/12/15/serial-killers-brothers-danny-and-larry-ranes-separately-became-serial-killers-did-not-kill-together/
https://michigansup.fandom.com/wiki/Larry_and_Danny_Ranes
https://www.leagle.com/decision/1971619385mich2341605
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/shadow-boxing/201606/sibling-rivals-and-murder-games
https://books.google.com/books?id=qbppiQQw4DkC&pg=PA134&lpg=PA134&dq=monk+steppenwolf&source=bl&ots=r6allglQaw&sig=WK9Bv5oFnOFsE9wWvw6X8D4pX-M&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSq_7a3vbQAhVX1mMKHcxrDkYQ6AEIVDAL#v=onepage&q=monk%20steppenwolf&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=DwNVbOcTncwC&pg=PA220&lpg=PA220&dq=monk+steppenwolf&source=bl&ots=B2CAzpVu5F&sig=e-bgnmzlHqLBGDGI4o_YoJk-YR8&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiSq_7a3vbQAhVX1mMKHcxrDkYQ6AEIVzAM#v=onepage&q=monk%20steppenwolf&f=false
https://books.google.com/books?id=GsN2CQAAQBAJ&pg=PT101&lpg=PT101&dq=larry+and+danny+ranes&source=bl&ots=01Th7uzvaa&sig=1flN2JkhohWFSn7YSzic8VUOQbQ&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwihzp7B-_bQAhVdVWMKHW68CiI4ChDoAQgzMAU#v=onepage&q=larry%20and%20danny%20ranes&f=false

Introducing Scene of the Crime Season 1: Delphi Jan 02, 2020

This is a trailer for Scene of the Crime, Season One: Delphi. This is a preview of what you can expect during the 7 episode season, taking an in-depth look into the unsolved 2017 double murder of teens Liberty German and Abigail Williams in Delphi, Indiana. Mike Morford of Criminology has teamed up with Libby's sister Kelsi to produce this podcast. Throughout the season you will hear exclusive interviews with family members of the victims as they recount the events of that tragic day and how it has affected their lives since. You will also hear some of their theories regarding the killer as well as interviews with law enforcement on the case.
Scene of the Crime, Season 1 Episode 2 Premieres January 2nd, 2020. Subscribe now so that you don't miss an episode. Find them on Twitter with the handle @SceneOfCrimePod
https://cms.megaphone.fm/channel/sceneofthecrime?selected=HIM1005356840

Patron Member-SODE (Trisha Bake) Part 2 Dec 10, 2019

On Saturday, Dec 7th, we celebrated a Patron's birthday! As part of the celebration, Trisha came to the studio and recorded for a couple of hours about life, crime, family members who are criminals and her own podcast! This is part one of two and we talked for about 4 hours in total...we could have talked for about 10 hours probably! We hope you enjoy these episodes and check out her podcast:
The Rippled Effect Podcast

Patron Member-SODE (Trisha Bake) Part 1 Dec 10, 2019

On Saturday, Dec 7th, we celebrated a Patron's birthday! As part of the celebration, Trisha came to the studio and recorded for a couple of hours about life, crime, family members who are criminals and her own podcast! This is part one of two and we talked for about 4 hours in total...we could have talked for about 10 hours probably! We hope you enjoy these episodes and check out her podcast:
The Rippled Effect Podcast

(S2) Kingstree, South Carolina (William Junior Pierce) Dec 09, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In May 1970, William "Junior" Pierce was paroled from the Georgia state prison at Reidsville, despite a report from staff psychiatrists contending that he "may be dangerous to himself and others." The parole board chose to ignore that report, and Pierce claimed his first victim a month later, killing at least nine persons before his arrest, on March 8, 1971.
Heather is joined by Bad in the Boondocks Podcast for another South Carolina killer!
Sources
Michael Newton - An Encyclopedia of Modern Serial Killers - Hunting Humans
https://www.cosmopolitan.com/entertainment/tv/a28759786/william-junior-pierce-mindhunter-true-story/
https://murderpedia.org/male.P/p/pierce-william.htm
https://www.refinery29.com/en-us/2019/08/240823/who-is-real-william-junior-pierce-from-mindhunter
https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a28759373/who-is-william-junior-pierce/
https://www.bustle.com/p/photos-of-the-real-william-pierce-show-mindhunter-season-2-got-all-the-details-right-18663622
Crimelibrary.com

(S2) Indianapolis, Indiana (Pt2: Howard Arthur Allen) Nov 08, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Part 2 of the Indianapolis, Indiana episodes, Heather is joined by Justin from Mysterious Circumstances to discuss Howard Arthur Allen. He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana in 1949 and is currently sitting in prison, serving his sentence. He was originally sentenced to death on June 11, 1988 but that sentence was later commuted to life in prison. He murdered at least three elderly women (Opal Cooper, 85 / Laverne Hale, 87 / Ernestine Griffin, 73), severely beat another woman, and committed arson on an elderly man’s home. All of his crimes had an underlying factor of burglary. Police suspect that there may be as many as 11 more victims…but have been unable to prove that.
This episode is filled with speculation as there isn’t a lot known about his childhood. Additionally, this episode contains touchy subject matter (the death penalty debate) and a glimpse into several other Indiana crimes as well as issues within the justice system in Indiana. You’ve been warned.
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(S2) Indianapolis, indiana (Pt1: Herbert Baumeister) Nov 02, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by Danielle from Hoosier Homicide to discuss Herbert Baumeister. He was born in Indianapolis, Indiana in 1947 and died after a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head in 1996. He was on the run from police who were searching his 18-acre farm for bodies of his victims – of which they found at least 11. Now, it is debated as to whether or not he killed more than 11 and to this day, he is not technically considered a confirmed serial killer as police were never able to prove it AND he killed himself before being apprehended. His victim type was young homosexual men whom he would pick up from gay bars and take to his mansion where he would have sex with them (often using auto erotic asphyxiation to pleasure himself) and then (presumably) kill and dispose of their bodies.
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(S2) SCOH Urban Legends - Halloween Bonus Oct 31, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this HALLOWEEN Bonus episode, Heather is joined by the father/son duo Stan and Jeru from Bad in the Boondocks! You will hear about four South Carolina urban legends (three-eyed man, the legend of Julia Legare, the lizard man, and the haunted barnyard crypt) and one Ohio urban legend (Loveland Frogman).
We really hope you enjoyed this mashup!
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(S2) SCOH Crimey Bonus Oct 31, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this crime-y bonus episode, Heather is joined by the father/son duo Stan and Jeru from Bad in the Boondocks! You will hear about two South Carolina murder cases (Amanda Cope & the murder of Christopher Frank Pittman's grandparents) and one major Ohio murder case (Pike County Massacre).
Check back tomorrow for another mashup with this podcast!
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(S2) Hudson Valley, NY (Nathaniel White) Oct 11, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
This is our first VIP Patron co-hosted episode! Valerie has been at the VIP status on Patreon since we launched and we couldn’t be more thankful for her! One of the perks of being a $10 or $20 Patron is to choose a killer/topic and/or co-host the episode with us...so, thanks to Valerie; we’re discussing Nathanial White from Hudson Valley, NY.
Nathanial White is responsible for the murders of 5 women and 1 14-year-old girl during a 16-month span between 1991 and 1992. He would sexually assault, strangle, and stab his victims before dumping them. His victims, not unlike the Honolulu Strangler’s victims, varied in age and background (14-34 years old). His victims were Juliana Frank (29 years old), Laurette D. Reviere Huggins (34 years old), Adriane Hunter (27 years old), Angelina Hopkins (23 years old), Angelina Hopkins (23 years old), Christine Marie Klebbe (14 years old), and Brenda Whiteside (20 years old).
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(S2) Honolulu, Hawaii (Honolulu Strangler) Oct 04, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
The Hololulu Strangler is responsible for the murders of 5 women between 1985 and 1986. He has yet to be caught. All victims were found with their hands bound behind their backs
sexually assaulted, strangled, but they varied in age and background (17-36 years old). His victims were Vicki Gail Purdy (25), Regina Sakamoto (17), Denise Hughes (21), Louise Medeiros (25), and Linda Pesce (36). Police thought for sure that they had their guy, but circumstantial evidence wasn't enough to hold him. This suspect ended up moving to California and died in 2005. None of these cases have ever been solved AND after some more digging/investigating for the production of a true crime show last year; there may have been at least one more victim from 1982. Additionally, the police may have had their killer, had DNA testing been an option in 1986.
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(S2) #JusticeForDJDay Oct 03, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Today - October 3, 2019 is #JusticeForDJDay.
As many of you may already know; I (Heather) co-host another podcast called Status Pending with Scott Fuller. DJ was the inspiration behind the entire podcast Status: Pending.
DJ's case has had such an impact on me that I want to spend my 30th birthday today, spreading the word about DJ; will you help me?
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On October 3, 2016, a gun went off and a 911 call was made. Responding officers find DJ shot in the face. He’s deceased. Witnesses claim someone else in the home - a one-time romantic interest of his wife Brandy’s - shot and killed DJ. Some say accidentally, some say intentionally.
Members of DJ’s family can’t believe that DJ would kill himself, and some sheriff’s detectives don’t buy the suicide. But the state’s crime lab and a medical examiner disagree. And so nobody has ever been charged with the death of Donald Edward Fickey, Jr.
Since we released the case on Status: Pending, Amanda (DJ's sister) has been tirelessly working to ensure that the GBI looks into her brother's case. She has reached out to tons of podcasters as well as YouTubers and even folks with the Investigation Discovery Channel to share her brother's story.
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You can sign the petition to help bring this case in front of a grand jury! This is an important step to get Justice for DJ! You can visit change.org and search for “help support justice for dj…” and the petition will populate. Your signature can help! As of today, there are 23,080 of the 25,000 goal: https://www.change.org/p/help-us-in-getting-justice-for-dj-and-his-3-babies-justicefordj (petition). You can also visit Amanda’s Facebook page called “Justice for DJ” Or reach out to her on Twitter: @JusticeForDj88 Amanda has also set up a website where you can find all of the information about DJ’s case: https://justicefordj.com/
Change your page orange for #JusticeForDJDay - Visit the Status Pending or Nature vs Narcissism Facebook page for the photos to use (or you can create your own).

(S2) BIRTHDAY BONUS - Dirty 30 Oct 03, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Heather's 30th Birthday is here!! Have some laughs with us! Megan and Jessie join Heather for some crimes related to October 3rd regarding some pretty famous AND infamous individuals! Additionally, we talk about a few personal crimes (quite petty in nature) and clumsy stories...ending this episode in some wheeze laughing and fogged up glasses LOL! ENJOY!!
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(S2) Green River, Washington (Gary Ridgway AKA Green River Killer) Sep 28, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
**Small disclaimer - I tried to make a water sound in the intro...didn’t work out the best - oops! Oh well, it’s only a few seconds long!**
In this episode, Heather is joined again by the one and only Scott Fuller to discuss a serial killer from the Green River, Washington area. This is a killer that Heather has NEVER looked up until now. Not too sure why, other than the fact that she felt as though he was way overdone in the True Crime genre and perhaps not too fascinating. However, Scott has a way of providing information and details that will pull someone in and that’s exactly what he did here!
Gary Leon Ridgway was born on February 18, 1949 in Salt Lake City, Utah. He is responsible for at least 49 murders of teenage runaways and female sex workers from 1982 until 2001 – most of these murders occurring between 1982 and 1984 though. Gary aka “The Green River Killer” has confessed to at least 71 murders but said that there very well could be more but he lost count. He is currently sitting in a cell at the Washington State Penitentiary in Walla Walla and serving 48 life sentences plus 480 years.
Guest Host: @FullerOnAir - follow him on Twitter
Check out Scott’s other projects too: Frozen Truth Podcast, Status Pending, Dead & Gone in Wyoming
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(S2) MURDERsode 15: Skylar Neese (with Jules) Sep 18, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
MURDERsode 15: Skylar Neese (with Jules)
In this episode, you'll get to hear from the artist behind our new logo, yet again! It has been a while since we’ve had a MURDERsode, so this was perfect timing for Jules dip her toe in the podcasting pool! Jules has decided to tell us about the murder of Skylar Neese. This is a tragic case; as they all are, but this case really makes me worry about the relationships that teens have with one another. Very scary stuff!
Jules will have an Instagram set up for her artwork soon!
Keep an eye out for an announcement regarding her own podcast!
Link to the book that Jules referenced in this episode: https://www.amazon.com/Pretty-Little-Killers-Behind-Savage/dp/1940363101
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(S2) Narcissism with a side of Bacon (Meet the Artist) Sep 18, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, you'll get to meet the artist behind our new logo! Jules is one hell of a talented artist and one of the sweetest and funniest people I've ever had the pleasure of meeting! You will ADORE her! We will have a fun little chat about her art and her up and coming podcast - that hasn't been conceived quite yet, BUT she has bought the baby shoes for! Additionally, you will hear about some of the artwork that she has created for some other major podcasts!
Jules will have an Instagram set up for her artwork soon!
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(S2) Guildford, Australia (Ivan Milat) Sep 13, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
IT HAS HAPPENED!!! Heather had the opportunity to have the folks from her FAVORITE podcast on the show and boy, did we have some fun! If you haven’t done so already, please go to the Hack or Slash Podcast feed and listen to Episode 58: Wolf Creek (2005). Heather joins the Hack or Slash Fam to review the movie that is loosely based on non-other than Ivan Milat’s crimes in Guildford, Australia. So, in episode 16 of season 2; we travel down under (Guildford, Australia) to discuss Ivan Milat.
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(S2) Fuck it! We'll Do It Live (w/Scott) Sep 07, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Heather and Rachelle have been referencing the Bill O’Reilly quote “We’ll do it live! Fuck it!” ever since Rachelle busted out this line in one of the episodes! Needless to say, it’s been an ever-present and lingering title for a future episode. Scott has jumped in and interviewed Heather about Nature vs Narcissism in this episode; LIVE (okay, kind of…)! Heather was NOT prepared for the way this episode happened and had NO CLUE what Scott was about to ask. Anyone who knows Heather, knows that she is very uncomfortable without a plan BUT she did pretty well…PLUS it was a blast! This is a really fun episode, with TONS of shout outs!   
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(S2) Frankford, Philadelphia (Frankford Slasher) Aug 30, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by the one and only Scott Fuller to discuss a serial killer from Frankford, Philadelphia. He is known as the Frankford Slasher and is believed to have killed 8-9 people between the years of 1985 and 1990. Leonard Christopher was apprehended for the murder of 46-year-old Carol Dowd in 1990 and police pegged him as the slasher. However, they were unable to confirm that he was indeed the slasher as he was behind bars when another victim was killed. Another man who was questioned in the cases, disappeared later. That man AND Christopher Leonard have both since passed away. Now, in 2019, city investigators are looking at new DNA evidence.
Guest Host: @FullerOnAir - follow him on Twitter
Check out Scott’s other projects too: Frozen Truth, Status Pending, Dead & Gone in Wyoming
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(S2) Flint, Michigan (Elias Abuelazam) Aug 23, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by Brittany to discuss a serial killer/serial stabber from her home state of Michigan! He committed most of his murders in Flint, MI but also stabbed multiple victims in multiple other states. Elias Abuelazam is an Israeli convicted murderer who is also known as the “Flint Serial Killer” and “The Serial Slasher”. It is believed that he had a total of 5 murder victims and upwards of 18 stabbing victims, who luckily made it out alive. His murders are said to have occurred between March od 2009 and August of 2010. He was eventually apprehended in August of 2010 after trying to flee back to Israel from Atlanta, GA. He was sentenced to like imprisonment without the possibility of parole in Michigan on June 25, 2012, but he maintained his innocence and had an interesting defense argument at trial.
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(S2) Epazoyucan, Hidalgo, Mexico (Juana Barraza) Aug 17, 2019

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In this episode, Heather and Rachelle discuss another female serial killer! Her nickname was La Luchadora...which means “the fighter”. Why, you ask? Well, in Mexico, professional wrestling is a popular form of entertainment. But it’s a bit different than one might expect by the name...in Mexico, professional wrestling aka Lucha Libre has a certain sense of pageantry. Luchadores (aka wrestlers), often wear colorful masks as they perform different acrobatic leaps off the ropes to grapple with their opponents. But Juana Barraza had a more sinister side to her.
She lived somewhat of a double life. Her day consisted of working as a popcorn vendor and sometimes a luchadora at a wrestling venue in Mexico City. She was described as being stocky and strong. Barraza took to the ring as The Lady of Silence as she competed in the amateur circuit. By night, she was a completely different person - known as Mataviejitas, or “little old lady killer.” She may have killed up to 50 woman who were all over the age of 60! She is serving a sentence of 759 years in a Mexican prison…where she is actually living a decent life; to hear her tell it!
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(S2) Eugene, OR (Unidentified Killer) Aug 09, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by her sister Kim again; to discuss a killer from Eugene, Oregon who is STILL UNIDENTIFIED. With the new technology being used today (Parabon Nano Labs); police in Oregon have been able to link three cold case homicides to the same unknown suspect. What we do know is that the suspect is a MALE. The three victims are 62-year-old Gladys May Hensley (murdered in June of 1986), 33-year-old Janice Marie Dickinson (murdered in June of 1986), and 73-year-old Geraline Spencer Toohey (murdered in February of 1988). In this episode, you’ll learn what Parabon Nano Labs is doing to help solve cold cases and what Snapshot Phenotyping is. You’ll also hear an excerpt from Chapter 6 of Status Pending Podcast where this technology is being used in an unsolved case from 2004.
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(S2) Dakota Country, Wyoming or Dat B**** Polly Bartlett Aug 03, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather and Rachelle travel to Dakota Country/Dakota Territory, WY; way back in 1868, to discuss a woman who may or may not have been the murderer of at least 22 men. This case is different from previous episodes as we aren’t 100% sure whether or not the details are based on factual information. Even though we found a decent amount of information, there is debate about the accuracy of the events. If true though, this B**** was manipulative and had her daddy wrapped so far around her finger that he worked with her in robbing and disposing of the bodies.
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(S2) TCPF 2019 & Announcements! Jul 31, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Heather & Rachelle discuss their reactions to the first annual True Crime Podcast Festival. We also share some announcements!Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com.

(S2) Charlotte, NC (Henry Louis Wallace aka The Taco Bell Strangler) Jun 15, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather and Rachelle travel to Charlotte, NC to discuss a man who confesses to the murder of at least 10 women. Since Rachelle LOVES Taco Bell; she takes the lead in this episode! Henry Louis Wallace aka the Taco Bell Strangler is currently awaiting execution at Central Prison in Raleigh, North Carolina. His crime spree lasted from early 1990 until his capture in 1994. The police believe that the heart of his murders occurred during a 22-month span. All of his victims were acquaintances that he had met and befriended as he managed a Taco Bell restaurant. Subscribe to 33% Pulp PodcastSubscribe to Bad In The Boondocks PodcastPurchase your live show tickets to see Getting Off Podcast& Ignorance Was Bliss Podcastlive in Chicago: BUY YOUR TICKET! Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them. We will also post them on our Facebook page.

(S2) Cleveland, Ohio (Ariel Castro) Jun 01, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by Courtney from The Cult of Domesticity Podcastto discuss a local monster! We head to Cleveland, Ohio to discuss Ariel Castro AND his survivors. Castro was born in Puerto Rico but moved to Cleveland, Ohio with his family as a child. He bought a house on Seymour Avenue…that he later turned into what can only be described as a “House of Horrors”. He kidnapped three young women and held them captive in his home for over 10 years. He beat them, starved them, wouldn’t allow them to leave the house, and even raped them on a regular basis. One of his victims suffered at least 5 abortions at his hands while another was forced to have his baby. Michelle Knight was 21 when he abducted her in 2002, Amanda Berry was 16 when he abducted her in 2003, and Georgina DeJesus was just 14 when he abducted her in 2004. After their escape in 2013, Castro was sentenced to life in prison without parole plus 1,000 years. He committed suicide in his cell just a little over a month after he was sentenced. All three women are alive and doing their best to help other families of missing and exploited children.Subscribe to The Cult of Domesticity Podcast Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them. We will also post them on our Facebook page.

(S2) Boulder, Colorado (Scott Lee Kimball) May 20, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather and Rachelle head to Boulder, Colorado to discuss Scott Lee Kimball.. Boulder County native Scott Kimball was known as a career criminal and conman whom had an uncanny ability to convince people to give him the benefit of the doubt. In fact, he was so charming, that he was able to convince the FBI…the fucking FBI to release him from prison on December 18, 2002 so that he could become a PAID informant for them! He was known as “Hannibal” or “Joe Snitch” and took the lives of at least 4 people…including his own uncle. He is serving a sentence of 70 years after pleading guilty in 2009 to two counts of second degree murder; one for his uncle and another for Kaysi McLeod, Jennifer Marcum, and LeAnn Emry. Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.

(S2) Boston, Massachusetts (Jane Toppan) w/Megan & Jessie Apr 12, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by her return guests; Megan and Jessie to discuss Jane Toppan. Toppan was an American serial killer who was born on August 17, 1854 as Honora Kelley. Her name later changed when she was adopted. She was known as “Jolly Jane” by those whom she worked with at the Cambridge Hospital and briefly at Massachusetts General Hospital. She was arrested in 1901 which is when she admitted to 31 murders stating that she wanted to kill more people than anyone ever had. Follow Megan on IG:@missmeganlee_Follow Jessie on IG: @jessrockett Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion groupSupport us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.

(S2) Baltimore, Maryland (Joseph Metheny) w/Dad Mar 29, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather is joined by a return guest and her father; Heath Pendergrass to discuss Joseph Roy Metheny. Metheny admitted to killing 10 people but evidence was found to indict him on just two murders; Cathy Ann Magaziner (45 years old) and Toni Lynn Ingrassia (28 years old). Metheny was convicted on numerous other charges such as kidnapping, attempted rape, and attempted murder of two other victims. One of his victims (Kimberly Lynn Spicer) was able to escape and notify police which lead to his arrest. His death penalty was overturned in 2000; in turn placing him in prison on a life sentence…until his death in 2017 when he was found in his cell. Disgusting fact about him? He claimed to have had a roadside BBQ stand where he used his victims’ bodies as meat. Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.

(S2) BONUS - Aberdeen, Australia Update (w/ Chris) Mar 20, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
After releasing the Aberdeen, Australia episode with Chris from Killer Jobs Podcast...we received an email from Sal who suggested the Katherine Knight case. So, we thought it would be fun to get together for a little bonus episode!! As we mentioned in the Aberdeen story, this case was sent to us as a listener request from an Australian native. After listening to the episode, She sent us an email answering some of our questions! Check out http://www.killerjobspodcast.comto listen to the podcast and buy merch!Promo for The Brothers Commonplace Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.

(S2) Aberdeen, Australia (Katherine Knight) w/Chris from Killer Jobs Mar 01, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather and Chris from Killer Jobs podcast & Exploiting Vicki Tims podcast discuss Katherine Knight - the woman who ate her boyfriend. She was the first Australian woman to be sentenced to life imprisonment without parole. She was convicted for the murder of her boyfriend in 2001 after she stabbed him to death, skinned him, and then hung his skin from a meat hook in the living room. She then cooked his head and other body parts and made a plate for each of his two adult children. Katherine is currently serving her sentence at Silverwater Women’s Correctional Centre in New South Wales.Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com for them.

(S2) Anchorage, AK (Pt2: Israel Keyes) w/Danielle from Hoosier Homicide Feb 22, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
This is part 2 of Season 2; Episode 1 where we are traveling to Anchorage, AK to discuss the 2nd serial killer. In this episode, Heather is joined by Danielle from the Hoosier Homicide podcast to discuss Israel Keyes. Israel committed his murders in several states including New York, Washington, Vermont, and of course Alaska. He claimed the lives of 3 confirmed but most likely 11+ victims. He was apprehended in March of 2012 and enjoyed toying with police. After 40+ hours of interrogations, Keyes decided to slit his wrists and hang himself in his prison cell. He died at the age of 34 in December of 2012. Our theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com. Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.comfor them.

(S2) Anchorage, AK (Pt1: Robert Christian Hansen) Feb 22, 2019

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 2. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
WE ARE BACK FOR SEASON 2!We are traveling to Anchorage, AK and since we found 2 serial killers that we wanted to discuss, this will be part 1 of 2. In this episode, Heather and Rachelle discuss Robert Christian Hansen (aka the Butcher Baker) - the guy who took "The Most Dangerous Game" and turned it into his hobby. Robert committed his murders from 1971-1983 and claimed the lives of 17-21+ victims. He was convicted in 1984 for multiple crimes including arson, assault, kidnapping, weapons offense theft, insurance fraud, murder, and rape. He was sentenced to 461 years in prison. He died at Spring Creek Correctional Center (Seward, Alaska) in August of 2014. Promo for Voice of the Victim podcastOur theme music was created and customized by Nico Vettese of We Talk of Dreams. You can follow him on IG (@wetalkofdreams) and Twitter (@WeTalkofDreams). Follow us on IG: @naturevsnarcissismFollow us on Twitter: @NvsNpodcastLike us on Facebook: @naturevsnarcissismJoin our discussion group: nature vs narcissism discussion group Support us on Patreon for cool perks and goodies for $1: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastDonate one time via PayPal: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com Most of our sources are mentioned in the episode. For those that are not, you can email us at naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com for them.

(S2) Season 2 Trailer Jan 28, 2019

Production of Season 2 is well underway! Here is the trailer! Huge shoutout and thank you to Nico of "We Talk of Dreams" for the new music! We are in love with it!!https://wetalkofdreams.com Also, huge shoutout to everyone who helped with the audio on this!Please tag yourselves on the social media posts!! :) #dontcallthecops #season2 #naturevsnarcissism

(S1) Thanksgiving 2018 - Pissed off Families Nov 22, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather and Rachelle discuss two crime/murder stories that occurred on turkey day. In one story, you'll hear about a sister who uses the carving fork as a weapon! In the second story, you'll hear about a man who just didn't want his wife's family in his house. Unfortunately, the second one ends in murder - you've been warned. RIP to the victims and may YOUR Thanksgiving end in full stomachs and laughter with family/friends!

(S1) PATREON BONUS - Split Second Series: Episode 1 (James Worley) Nov 04, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
I am releasing this episode to the main feed to see what you guys think about the Split Second series. This is a series that I've started on Patreon and I would like to continue it as I have 3 episodes ready to be edited and posted. I am thinking about changing the Patreon tiers so that more listeners can benefit from the extra content, prize giveaways, and no ads. Please let me know what you think of this episode!THANK YOU SO MUCH, Scott of the Frozen Truth & Status Pending Podcasts for the intro and editing!As you may recall, I posted briefly on Instagram via the Whack-job Wednesday series about this guy a few months ago. This case intrigued me as it was so close to home and everything changed in a split second. I have always loved the outdoors and especially bike riding...so seeing that this is exactly how 20-year-old Sierah Joughin lost her life; my heart broke and my stomach knotted up. Listen to this episode and let me know what you think about the twists and turns this case has. You may be hearing another case in the near future that could potentially be linked.

(S1) 12-Year-Old Lifer: Paul Henry Gingerich (with Warbaby) Oct 12, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Did you know that in Indiana (where this case takes place) under extreme circumstances, children as young as 10 years old can be tried and sentenced in adult courts? The child that we will be discussing in this case remains one of the youngest EVER to be tried in this fashion. In this collaboration, Heather and Warbaby (from the Murderous Minors: Killer Kids podcast) discuss Paul Henry Gingerich and Colt Lundy. On April 20, 2010, Indiana; 12-year-old Gingerich and Lundy were at Colt's home in Cromwell, Indiana (which is about 2.5 hours NE of Indianapolis or 1 hour NW of Fort Wayne) with Colt's 49-year-old stepfather, Phillip Danner. They decided that they wanted to steal Danner’s truck and drive to Arizona. They determined that the only way to get away with it was to “take care of him [Phillip]”. How would they do this? They shot him…with his own hand guns. Promo for: MugshotPromo for: Murder and SuchSupport us & get cool stuff!https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/

(S1) Kyle Plush: Answer the Call (with Lisa) Oct 05, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this collaboration, Heather and Lisa (from the Eye for an Eye podcast) discuss the tragic death of 16-year-old Cincinnatian, Kyle Plush. He was reaching for a tennis racket that was located behind the seat in the back of his van when the seat collapsed, folding shut on the teen as he dialed 911 for help. This story is so tragic because it seems as though he did everything in his power to get help to no avail. He was discovered dead 6 hours later, in his vehicle, in the parking lot of his school. There was one positive outcome from this horrible tragedy though; check out www.kyleplushanswerthecall.org to see what the family is doing in his honor to create a safer community. Promo for: Killer JobsPromo for: Swindled Support us & get cool stuff!https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/

(S1) Black Dahlia: Part 1 (with Augie Peterson) Sep 14, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this special collaboration episode, Heather teams up with Augie Peterson from the Short Stories of Augie Peterson podcast! In part 1; you will hear about the case of Elizabeth Short, aka the "Black Dahlia". This is found on the Nature vs Narcissism feed - well, would you look at that...you're already here! In part 2; you will hear about the movie adaptation of the case...which apparently had nothing to do with the actual life and murder of Elizabeth Short. In enough words...this movie was absolutely terrible and Augie has the review to back that up! So, if you need a nice pallet cleanser after hearing about the absolute brutality of this case, then head on over to the Short Stories of Augie Peterson feed! Nicknamed "the Black Dahlia," Elizabeth Short was born in Boston, Massachusetts, on July 29, 1924. Twenty-two years later, Short, an aspiring actress, was brutally murdered in Los Angeles, California, her body cut in half and severely mutilated. Her body was found on January 15, 1947, in a vacant lot near Leimert Park. The Black Dahlia's killer was never found, making her murder one of the oldest cold case files in L.A. to date, as well as the city's most famous. Promos:Hack or SlashTargeted Support us & get cool stuff!https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/ Sources:https://www.fbi.gov/history/famous-cases/the-black-dahlia http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/don-black-dahlia-article-1.2498088# https://www.biography.com/people/black-dahlia-21117617 "Adding to mystery of the Black Dahlia". Latimes. Retrieved 05 September 2018. The Black Dahlia Files: The Mob, the Mogul, and the Murder That Transfixed Los Angeles: Don Wolfe: 9780060582500: Amazon.com: Books. ASIN 0060582502. Nelson, Mark; Sarah Hudson Bayliss (2006). Exquisite Corpse: Surrealism and the Black Dahlia Murder. New York: Bulfinch Press. Pg 26. ISBN 0-8212-5819-2 Lemons, Stephen. "Black Dahlia Backlash: Family members take Hodel’s Avenger to task, LA Weekly, July 10, 2003. "Smashwords – I Killed The Black Dahlia (The Telephone) - A book by Anthony Johnson - page 38".

(S1) Your Brain on Murder (Neal Falls, Sex Workers, Dismemberment & Subway Bags) Sep 09, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
When Heather Saul opened her Charleston, WV door to greet the stranger she’d agreed to meet through an escort ad she had placed, she knew instantly she was in mortal danger. The man said just three words – “Live or die” – then held a gun to her stomach. The man grabbed Saul by the throat and dragged her around the house, until in a rush of pure adrenaline and an effort for self-preservation, she was able to get control of his gun and shot once, killing him. In this special collaboration episode, Heather sits down with Moxie from the Your Brain on Facts podcast to discuss serial killer Neal Falls. Heather was an escort and Falls’ next intended victim. That is, until she killed him instead…potentially saving dozens more. Falls is believed to have killed across 8 states and traveled with his kill kit in his car. He would dismember the bodies and dump them in rivers as well as on the side of the highway. Promos:Your Brain on FactsGood Nightmare Support us & get cool stuff!https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/

(S1) Broadcast Podcast (Current Crime Stories & Past Experiences) Sep 08, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
This episode is filled with shenanigans as dad and Ashley return for more crime & more stories. We recorded in the dining room as per the usual but we didn't wear headphones. At times, we couldn't tell how loud we were, so I tried adjusting and taking out the table bumps. After about halfway through, dad realized the error of his ways and backed away from the table. That didn't stop him, however, from texting during the entire "broadcast" - so you'll hear his phone in the background. We talk about everything from dad's experience at the police department, to our childhoods, to current crimes in the news, to theories about cases and crimes. This was a fun episode with a ton of shout outs! Dad wants to come back for future episodes but would like questions or case suggestions...so, send them in!Shout outs:Based on a True CrimeGetting OffOff The CuffsThe Brothers CommonplaceStatus: PendingPromo:Trace Evidence Support us & get cool stuff!https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/

(S1) Zebra Murders Aug 25, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In the FINAL letter episode of Season 1, Heather and Rachelle discuss the Zebra Murders aka The Zebra Killings. The best way to describe them is via a direct quote that we found here: https://blog.sfgate.com/crime/2013/03/13/zebra-killer-denied-parole/. The Zebra Killings were “execution-style shootings that killed 14 people and wounded eight others between October 1973 and April 1974, mostly at night along the city’s Divisadero Street corridor. The gunmen were African American and the victims were mostly white. The killings got the Zebra label from police use of a special radio band, the Z channel, in their investigation.” (pulled quote from *PLEASE NOTE: THIS IS (like most others) A GRUESOME CASE WHICH INVOLVES TRIGGER WARNINGS* Although we are wrapping up Season 1, that doesn’t mean that we are done! We will have several guests appearing on the show between Season 1 and Season 2. Season 2 will still be alphabetical BUT we will be covering killers (not necessarily serial killers) from everywhere. We will choose them based on where they’re from. For instance, the Zebra Killings took place in San Fransisco, California so we would cover them for our “S” episode. If YOU have a suggestion, send it to us! We want to cover lesser known killers this season! SHOUTOUT TO OUR PATREON SUPPORTERS!!!Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcastScott Fuller from the Frozen Truth PodcastChelsea & David from the Based on a True Crime Podcast Jessa & Nick from the Getting Off PodcastKate from the Ignorance Was Bliss PodcastLauren AllenValarie WhitakerMegan Mayerle Promos in this episode:Your Brain on Facts PodcastThe Brothers Commonplace Podcast Check out our @naturevsnarcissism (Instagram), @NvsNpodcast (Twitter)and @naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)pages for pictures mentioned in the episode! BUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Source for all of the quotes: http://www.heretical.com/miscella/zebra.html. Email me for more sources.

(S1) Interview with Psychotherapist & Actor Jason Eric Ross Aug 10, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
This is a very special episode where Heather has the amazing opportunity to interview Jason Eric Ross! Jason is a licensed Psychotherapist, an actor and writer! At the age of 48 he moved back to NYC and began acting on shows such as The Perfect Murder, Mysteries at the Museum, and Dateline Crime with Tamron Hall. More recently, he became the first Psychotherapist to play an actual 'Psycho," when he portrayed Serial Killer Keith Jespersen on Evil Lives Here on Discovery ID, Season 3 Episode 11. We will dive into this case during our chat! Additionally, Jason also appeared in a few award winning short films. As a therapist, coach and trainer, Jason takes a very proactive, motivational approach with clients, and believe people need to challenge their fears actively. He believes that when we examine our Physical, Intellectual, Social, Emotional and Spiritual lives, we can focus our efforts so we are happier more productive and fulfilled. You can learn more about him by visiting his website: http://jasonericross.comor following him on social media:Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/jason.e.ross.3Twitter: https://twitter.com/jasonericrossInstagram: https://www.instagram.com/jasonericross/Shout out to our newest Patrons:Lauren AllenGetting Off PodcastBased on a True Crime Podcast Promo for:Murderous Minors: Killer Kids PodcastJoin Patreon!https://www.patreon.com/NVNpodcast Find us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Email me for sources.Music/clips:Creepy Inn by Devil Music – http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/Nosferatu

(S1) The Doodler Update (with Megan) Jul 10, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
This is a special minisode! In Episode 22: U (Unidentified Killers) with Megan, one of the killers covered was "The Doodler". We released the episode on 06/20/18 and received an article on 06/21/18 from Scott Fuller from the Frozen Truth podcast...with an update about The Doodler! This is super exciting! With all of the DNA testing bringing forth suspects in old and cold cases. We will continue to provide updates as we have them! Additionally, Megan discusses her doodling experience in Chicago, just days after this episode released...super creepy timing!

(S1) Unidentified Killers (with Megan) Jun 20, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather and Megan discuss Unidentified Killers. Most people know of the famous, or shall I say infamous, serial killers. However, there are some serial killers whose identity baffles even the best of detectives…yes, I mean YOU; armchair detectives! Heather and Megan thought that it would be fun to discuss a couple of them in this episode. Heather covers the Moonlight Murders, committed by the Phantom Killer whilst Megan covers the Doodler. Yes, you read that right…the Doodler! Join us for a relaxed yet Murder-y episode brought to you by the Murder.ly Network: Podcasts to Die For! During this episode, we discuss a couple of Heather’s all-time favorite podcasts as well! Stay tuned for their promos at the end…then make your way over to your favorite podcast app and subscribe! Promos for:Hack or SlashBased on a True CrimeFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Email me for sources.Music/clips:Creepy Inn by Devil Music – http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/Nosferatu

(S1) Ted Bundy: Part 1 with Nick & Jessa from Getting Off Jun 07, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
HEATHER IS FANGIRLING!!! In this episode, Heather invites Nick and Jessa from the Getting Off Podcast to discuss everyone’s eye candy serial killer; aka the Lady Killer, Ted Bundy. Although the Nature vs Narcissism Podcast has covered Ted Bundy in the past (Episode 2), we thought it would be fun to discuss Ted with folks who understand and are a part of the criminal justice system. Since Nick and Jessa are defense attorneys, we thought it would be fun to do a crossover episode where they break down the Chi Omega trial and share their expert opinions as well as their personal thoughts on the case as a whole! We have a blast and learn a lot about Jessa’s ‘wayward youth’, as Nick describes it! This episode was a blast and I learned a lot in Part 2; which is over on the Getting Off feed. You will probably learn a lot and may have even acquitted him if you knew what we now know about the case and evidence!! Be sure to check out Frozen Truth as a new season will be airing on June 24th! Find us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Email me for sources.Music/clips:Creepy Inn by Devil Music – http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/NosferatuWhat Charles Manson Thinks of Ted Bundy - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfgkswGZNuY

(S1) Shoe Fetish Slayer (with Off the Cuffs Podcast) May 06, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather invites Dick and Max from the Off the Cuffs Podcast to discuss good ‘ol Jerome Brudos; aka the Shoe Fetish Slayer. We thought it would be fitting to discuss Jerry with folks who understand and are a part of the BDSM community. Although we covered a lot about Jerry, there’s still so much more that we didn’t quite get to. Be sure to check out the sources to learn more about him. Additionally, check out these podcasts: Off the Cuffs, Getting Off, Can We Cult, and Being There. Find us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram) @NvsNpodcast (Twitter) @naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/ Sourceshttps://www.gq.com/story/truck-stop-killer-gq-november-2012https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/schizophrenia/what-is-schizophreniahttps://www.biography.com/people/jerome-brudos-403432https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67plLRIB7Rg Book:https://www.amazon.com/Lust-Killer-Updated-Ann-Rule/dp/0451166876/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1525646314&sr=8-1&keywords=lust+killer+ann+rule Music: Creepy Inn by Devil Music – http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/Nosferatu

(S1) Robert Ben Rhoades & Dennis Rader Apr 23, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Rachelle covers Robert Ben Rhoades (aka the Truck Stop Killer) and Heather covers Dennis Rader (aka the BTK Killer). Robert Ben Rhoades would pick up hitchhikers along the highways to torture and kill them. Whenever the females were with a male companion, Rhoades would shoot and kill the male immediately, whilst tying up the female in the cab of his semi-truck; which he converted into a traveling torture chamber. Rhoades called himself "Whips & Chains" and often kept his female victims for weeks at a time. He would rape and torture them until he decided he was done playing with them. Rhoades ended up killing at least 3 but possibly 50 victims in the span of 15 years. He is 72 years old and resides in the Menard Correctional Institution; where he has been since 1990 and will remain until death. Dennis Rader is a different kind of species but shares many qualities with Rhoades. Dennis was also born in 1945 and went years without being apprehended. However, unlike Rhoades, Rader had a family and to many he seemed like the perfect family man. He was President of the Christ Lutheran Church and a Cub Scout leader. Rader, like Rhoades, had a kit/box of tools in which he used to torture and kill his victims. Rader called this his hot box and stated that he killed because of his Factor X deep within that compelled him to live out his fantasies...". Check out our sources page on the website to watch the full interviews and purchase the books discussed.Shout out:Off the Cuffs#SwagBag #CrimeCon2018 GIVEAWAY WINNERS:Samantha TaylorAmber LeeBrittany SchultzAugie PetersonRebecca Emory#SwagPack #Sticker GIVEAWAY WINNERS:Simone MathewsShadira MonsantoValerie Whitaker Find us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram) @NvsNpodcast (Twitter) @naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe!Sources on the website under "Sources" page.

(S1) Paul Michael Stephani & Philip Markoff Mar 26, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In this episode, Heather covers Paul Michael Stephani (aka the Weepy-Voiced Killer) and Rachelle covers Philip Markoff (aka the Craigslist Killer). Paul had a tendency to call the cops on himself after killing his victims. He had so much guilt and remorse that he would call, while crying/weeping, to inform the police that he had killed his victim and he didn't know why/couldn't stop. His track record was terrible as two of his five victims survived (good for them), but that is what eventually led to his capture. As for Philip, he was the epitomy of every parent's dream child. He was in sports, clubs, and attending med school. He was engaged and already planned the wedding with his fiance. Everything seemed to be nothing short of perfect. That is until, he and his fiance were on their way to the casino one day when they were pulled over and Philip was taken into custody. For what, you ask? Luring women from Craigslist ads to hotel rooms where he would rob and kill them. Don't forget to send us your questions for our Q&A episode!!! Shout outs:Dark DivideBig ConversationsNature of the Beast Off the CuffsFind us on all the things:@naturevsnarcissism (Instagram)@NvsNpodcast (Twitter)@naturevsnarcissism (Facebook)Nature vs Narcissism Facebook Discussion GroupBUY COOL SHIT:https://naturevsnarcissism.threadless.com/Don’t forget to rate, review, and subscribe!

(S1) The James Bulger Case (Collab with Warbaby from the Murderous Minors: Killer Kids Podcast) Feb 12, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Heather collaborates with Warbaby from the Murderous Minors: Killer Kids Podcast to break down this case and discuss some of the fascinating details surrounding it. Join us for the ride and be aware that this is not for the faint of heart. Two children abducted, beat, and killed another young child in this case. Robert Thompson and Jon Venebles were ruthless, heartless, and methodical in their scheme.We thought the perfect release date would be today, February 12, 2018 as it is the anniversary of baby James' brutal murder.Promos in this episode:Murderous Minors: Killer KidsThe Fiercely Altered Perspective Podcast - COMING MARCH 2018!

(S1) Lawrence Bittaker & Larry Eyler Jan 19, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Episode 12 focuses on two serial killers whom of which both have monikers. Lawrence Bittaker worked in cahoots with Roy Lewis Norris to rape and murder teenage girls. Together, they were known as the Toolbox Killers. Larry Eyler was known as the Interstate Killer and preyed on young boys/men along the interstate. Please do not let little ears hear this episode…this episode contains a lot of adult content and plenty of rated R jokes/conversations.Find us on all the things and join our Facebook Discussion Group! Want to be a guest? Email us your stories and suggestions: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com! Follow us on Twitter @NvsNpodcast Follow us on Instagram @naturevsnarcissism Like us on Facebook Nature vs Narcissism Promos in this episode: Off the CuffsGetting OffShout outs for the correct guess in this episode:Snapchat: huntor27 from the Murder and Such PodcastIG: the__reaper__IG: damnitbatmanMusic in this episode:Creepy Inn by Devil Music – http://freemusicarchive.org/music/Devil_Music/Nosferatu/Creepy_Inn Sources in this episode:Sources will be posted on the website for all future episodes as there are so many used in each episode.

(S1) KENNETH MCDUFF & KENNETH BIANCHI Jan 12, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Episode 11 focuses on two serial killers whom of which both have monikers. Kenneth McDuff aka The Broomstick Killer and Kenneth Bianchi aka The Hillside Strangler(s). Please do not let little ears hear this episode…this episode contains a lot of adult content and plenty of rated R jokes/conversations.Find us on all the things and join our Facebook Discussion Group! Want to be a guest? Email us your stories and suggestions: naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com! Follow us on Twitter @NvsNpodcast Follow us on Instagram @naturevsnarcissism Like us on Facebook Nature vs Narcissism

(S1) Jack the Ripper & Jack the Stripper Jan 05, 2018

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
Episode 10 focuses on two serial killers whom have never been caught let alone convicted. Jack the Ripper and Jack the Stripper both terrorized the streets of London. They targeted working girls and although there have been many theories as to who committed the gruesome murders and why; the world may never know. Jack the Ripper executed his murders in the late 1800’s while Jack the Stripper rendered his murders between 1964 and 1965. Find us on all the things and join our Facebook Discussion Group! Want to be a guest? Email us your stories and suggestions:naturevsnarcissism@gmail.com! Follow us on Twitter @NvsNpodcast Follow us on Instagram @naturevsnarcissism Like us on Facebook Nature vs Narcissism

(S1) CHRISTMAS MURDERSODE 2017 Dec 25, 2017

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
For our Christmas MURDERsode, Rachelle stopped by and we discussed three cases of murder that occurred on Christmas Eve or Christmas Day. Our first case is about the Dayton Killing Spree from 1992 where a group of young adults; calling themselves the “Downtown Posse”, decided that it would be fun to run around the city of Dayton, Ohio killing random individuals. The second case we discuss is the Lawson Family Massacre which occurred on a North Carolina farm in 1929. The father shot and killed his wife and 6 of his seven children on Christmas Day, before taking his own life. The final murder case we discuss is the Covina Massacre which took place in Covina, California in 2008. An ex-husband of one of the Ortega family members decided to dress as Santa Claus and shoot up the family Christmas party, before setting the house ablaze and taking his own life.Follow us on Twitter @NvsNpodcastFollow us on Instagram @naturevsnarcissism Like us on Facebook Nature vs Narcissism

(S1) MURDERSODE 3 (with Kim & Dad) Dec 13, 2017

*This is a listener FAVORITE from Season 1. We are using a new format and recording style for Season 3 and beyond. We have kept this episode on the main feed as it was one that the listeners loved.
In MURDERsode 3, we discuss...uh...well...I guess, just listen to it. There's really not much that we can say at this point. We attempted to interview our dad about his time on the police force as well as any paranormal occurrences throughout his life. Shit got out of hand and there's not a whole lot that we can do to remedy the situation. We hope you enjoy our first SHITSHOW/SHIT-SODE!Stay tuned after the outro for some outtakes! LOL!

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