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    Mountain & Prairie with Ed Roberson

    Long-form conversations with remarkable people connected to the land, communities, and culture of the American West.
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    For 10+ years, host Ed Roberson has talked with writers, ranchers, scientists, artists, historians, and adventurers. Every episode is substantive, relaxed, and rich with wisdom — offering listeners fresh perspectives and a deeper connection to one of the world’s most compelling places.
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    Past guests include Yvon Chouinard, Kris Tompkins, Nick Offerman, and Sebastian Junger.
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    Live at the Amon Carter Museum - In Conversation with James Prosek and Spencer Wigmore Feb 07, 2024
    Show notes

    This is a special live episode that was recorded at the Amon Carter Museum of American Art in Fort Worth, Texas. The event was centered around the museum's ongoing exhibition titled Trespassers: James Prosek and the Texas Prairie, and the episode features a fascinating on-stage conversation with artist and past podcast guest James Prosek and art curator Spencer Wigmore.

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    Trespassers is an exhibit about grasslands– specifically, James examines how we think about and define America's imperiled prairie ecosystem. Over the course of more than two years, James traveled throughout Texas and the Southern Plains, visiting private ranches and urban restoration sites, and he was often accompanied by some of Texas's most well-renowned grasslands experts. He investigated ideas around how our man-made boundaries and concepts attempt to define grasslands, and how grasslands often do not conform to our desires to control them. He examines ideas around fire, species classification, conservation, and natural history, and the end result is a collection of more than 20 mind-blowing paintings and sculptures.

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    As the curator for this exhibit, Spencer played a very unique role throughout the entire project– he was the one who initially approached James with the idea, he accompanied James on many of his grasslands road trips, and he even arranged the exhibit in its stunning space within the museum. So I loved learning about the collaboration between artist and curator, how they complimented each other's personalities, and how they ultimately worked together to bring this spectacular collection of meaningful art into the world.

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    As you probably remember from my first podcast conversation with James, he's a deep thinker who has spent his entire career digging into the nuances of our natural world. And Spencer's depth of understanding of art history and the artistic process– as well as his ability to communicate his knowledge in a fun and engaging way– is second to none. So I know you'll enjoy this conversation that covers everything from broad, big-picture ideas around the philosophies of defining species, all the way down to the details of how James created such intricate, delicate sculptures. Be sure to check out the episode notes for a full list of everything we discussed.

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    I'd encourage you to visit the episode webpage, as I have included a gallery of images of the exhibit that will serve as a great reference point for some of our discussions. And the nice folks at the Carter also recorded a video of the entire event, that is embedded on my webpage and available on Youtube. Follow the link in the notes to access all of that.

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    The episode starts with a kind introduction from The Carter's Manager of Adult Programming, Madeleine Fitzgerald and then James, Spencer, and I begin our conversation. I hope you enjoy!

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    • Amon Carter Museum of American Art
    • Trespassers: James Prosek and the Texas Prairie
    • James Prosek
    • Spencer Wigmore
    • Watch the YouTube video
    • Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/carter/

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    3:00 - Welcome statements

    10:45 - How the Trespassers exhibition came about in Spencer's mind, and how it landed for James

    19:15 - Comparing American grasslands to the Great Pyramids

    23:45 - James' painting process

    29:15 - Spencer's role as curator

    34:00 - Discussing the work Fort Worth Composition No. 1

    37:45 - Discussing James' interest in silhouettes

    42:30 - James' use of bronze to depict burned logs

    47:00 - James' clay flowers

    50:15 - The biggest surprise in this project for Spencer

    54:00 -What James has learned about grasslands since finishing the project

    1:01:15 - James' read on the state of western grasslands conservation

    1:06:15 - James' book recommendations

    1:09:30 - How Spencer sets up the gallery space

    1:14:00 - Audience questions begin

    1:14:45 - Spencer's and James' relationship to Fort Worth, and whether or not they found remnant prairies there

    1:20:00 - Where Spencer and James feel the anti-fire bias came from?

    1:23:30 - Inquiring about the significance of a Rio Grande Cutthroat Trout in one of James' works

    1:26:15 - Whether or not James or Spencer did some fly fishing as a part of their research for this project

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    Ivy Spohnholz - Climate Solutions, Sustainable Fisheries, and Resilient Communities Jan 30, 2024
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    Ivy Spohnholz is the Alaska State Director at The Nature Conservancy, where she leads the organization's critical work around climate solutions, sustainable fisheries, and resilient communities. Given its size, location, climate, demographics, and economics, Alaska presents a very unique blend of conservation challenges– challenges that can directly affect massive, landscape-scale ecosystems and the communities within them. We've rarely if ever dug into the details of conservation in Alaska on this podcast, so I was thrilled to have Ivy join me for such an in-depth conversation.

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    Ivy was born in a dry log cabin in the remote Wrangell Mountains, in what is now Wrangell-St. Elias National Park and Preserve. Her entire career has revolved around public service– she's held leadership roles at the Salvation Army, University of Alaska Anchorage, Alaska Conservation Foundation, and Abused Women's Aid in Crisis. She also served for more than six years in the Alaska House of Representatives, where she honed her skills as a pragmatic and effective problem solver. In the fall of 2022, she took the reins as TNC's Alaska State Director and has been applying her skills as a leader and problem solver toward Alaska's distinctive conservation challenges.

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    I've been lucky enough to visit Alaska on two separate occasions, and I've had some of the most formative experiences of my life in the Alaska Range. The size and scale of the mountains, valleys, and wildlife are so staggering that it's impossible to visit Alaska without gaining a deep respect for both the landscapes and the people who live there. So I was excited to have the opportunity to chat with Ivy about her adventurous upbringing in Alaska and her service-oriented career. We talk in detail about her unexpected entrance into politics, and how she quickly learned to lead and navigate the law-making process as an elected official. We discuss TNC's focus areas in Alaska, and we talk a lot about Bristol Bay and its ecological and economic significance in the world. As you've probably come to expect, we talk about the all-important power of relationships, and we also discuss the need to be practical and optimistic.

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    A big thank you to Ivy for taking the time to talk with me– I greatly appreciate all of the important work being done by TNC Alaska. Enjoy!

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    • Ivy Sponholtz
    • The Alaska Chapter of the Nature Conservancy
    • Episode notes & Links: https://mountainandprairie.com/ivy-spohnholz/

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    This episode is brought to you in partnership with the Colorado chapter of The Nature Conservancy and TNC chapters throughout the Western United States. Guided by science and grounded by decades of collaborative partnerships, The Nature Conservancy has a long-standing legacy of achieving lasting results to create a world where nature and people thrive.

    On the last Tuesday of every month throughout 2024, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancy's leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West and beyond.

    To learn more about The Nature Conservancy's impactful work in the West and around the world, visit www.nature.org

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    3:30 - Ivy's birth in a dry log cabin in the Wrangell Mountains

    7:15 - Ivy's childhood

    10:15 - When Ivy left Alaska, and what brought her back

    12:00 - How serving others became a core part of Ivy

    17:00 - When Ivy became an elected official

    24:00 - Discussing the political landscape of Alaska

    28:15 - How Ivy became involved with TNC

    34:45 - Discussing TNC's work in Alaska

    41:00 - How Ivy balances working urgently with the often slower pace of building relationships

    46:30 - The importance of Bristol Bay

    52:00 - Potential future threats to Bristol Bay

    57:00 - The biggest surprise for Ivy in her work with TNC

    59:30 - Discussing "practical optimism"

    1:01:30 - Ivy's book recommendations

    1:03:45 - Ivy's parting words of wisdom

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    Chad Ellis - On Leadership, Building Relationships, and Working for the Greater Good Jan 25, 2024
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    Chad Ellis is the CEO of the Texas Agricultural Land Trust (TALT), which is one of the nation's leading ag-focused conservation organizations. TALT's mission is "to conserve the Texas heritage of agricultural lands, wildlife habitats, and natural resources," but at its core, TALT's work is built on the foundation of long-term, trusting, mutually respectful relationships.

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    Given the small proportion of public lands in Texas compared to other western states, much of the responsibility for landscape-scale ecological health falls on the shoulders of private landowners. And since 2007, TALT has helped these landowners find ways to not only protect their family legacies, but to improve the overall quality of grasslands, water, air, and wildlife for all Texans.

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    Chad was raised in rural Texas, and from a very early age, he felt a deep connection to land, agriculture, and wildlife. While his entire career has been devoted to thoughtfully and effectively stewarding natural resources, you'll quickly realize that at his core, Chad is a relationship builder. During his tenures at the NRSC, the Noble Research Institute, and now as the leader of TALT, Chad has implemented many cutting-edge conservation solutions– but, as you'll hear him explain, none of these projects would be successful without solid, trusting relationships between all stakeholders.

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    Longtime listeners will recognize Chad from an earlier appearance on Mountain & Prairie– back in 2023, he was one of the panelists in an episode called "Landscape-Scale Management in a Private Land State," which was recorded live at the Texas Chapter of the Wildlife Society's annual meeting. In this episode, we dig more into Chad's personal and professional journey in conservation– why he has devoted his career to such a challenging-yet-critical cause, and how he approaches his work from both practical and philosophical perspectives. We discuss his love of entrepreneurial approaches, his leadership style, mentors, the storied legacy of TALT's founder Blair Fitzsimons, supporting the next generation of conservationists, his favorite books, and much more.

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    If you haven't already, I'd encourage you to check out TALT's website and follow its work on social media– TALT is a constant source of inspiration for me and all of the Western conservation community. Thanks for listening!

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    • Texas Agricultural Land Trust
    • Chad on LinkedIn
    • Chad's first M&P appearance: Landscape-Scale Management in a Private Land State
    • TALT on Instagram
    • Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/chad-ellis/
    • Ed's upcoming Rogue River Trip

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    4:30 - Where Chad grew up

    7:45 - Chad's work with PERC

    10:15 - Where Chad's entrepreneurial background came from

    16:15 - How Chad moved up in the NRCS ranks

    18:45 - Chad's time with Mobil Foundation

    21:45 - Chad's personal vision

    24:30 - Chad's motivation to strengthen people's connection to the land, instead of just supporting the land itself

    27:15 - How Chad hires for a passionate team

    29:15 - Chad's work securing federal funding

    32:45 - How Chad thinks about failure

    34:45 - How Chad presented his vision for TALT to an already accomplished director, Blair Fitzsimons

    40:30 - Chad's goal to support the next generation of conservationists

    44:30 - How Chad interprets the threats facing conservation in Texas

    51:30 - How Chad prioritizes his allocation of resources

    58:45 - Exploring Chad's level of patience, as well as the various ways that people learn and work

    1:03:30 - The importance of relationships

    1:07:45 - Chad's book recommendations

    1:09:15 - Chad's parting words of advice

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    Rick Wittenbraker - Humility, Generosity, and Building One-of-a-Kind Brands Jan 18, 2024
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    Rick Wittenbraker is the CMO of Howler Brothers, an Austin-based apparel company that creates some of the most unique, stylish, quirky, and highly functional outdoor clothing for adventurers of all stripes. In a little over a decade, Howler has firmly established itself as the go-to brand for anglers, surfers, travelers, and fun-seekers– the kind of people who value good times with good friends in cool places.

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    Rick was born and raised in Texas, attended UT Austin, and spent the first years of his career in traditional businesses such as finance and sales. But in 2009, he joined an up-and-coming cooler company known as Yeti, and that is where Rick's genius for storytelling really broke through. He eventually became Yeti's VP of Marketing and was one of the major forces behind Yeti's groundbreaking approach to building a brand through outside-the-box storytelling. Along the way, he met Howler Brother's founders– Chase Heard and Andy Stepanian– and eventually decided to join them and apply his brand-building expertise toward expanding what is now known as "The Howlerverse."

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    Rick has been a longtime mentor of mine, and I credit his wisdom and counsel as being one the main factors that have allowed me to build Mountain & Prairie from a silly little side project into my full-time job. And there are countless creatives and entrepreneurs who have a similar story of Rick generously taking an interest in their project, offering his hard-earned wisdom, and expecting nothing in return. So this episode with Rick was long overdue.

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    We recorded this in Austin, at the Howler Brothers HQ, and we covered a lot, including: Rick's career path, lessons learned from living internationally, his philosophies around building authentic, completely original brands, his ever-present focus on generosity and humility, separating personal identity from brand identity, growing without abandoning core values, the spirit behind the Howler Brothers brand, the Howler Brothers book, some of his favorite books, and much more.

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    A big thanks to Rick for taking the time to chat with me, as well as for everything he's done to help Mountain & Prairie grow and evolve over the years. Hope you enjoy this conversation as much as I did.

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    • Rick on LinkedIn
    • Howler Brothers
    • The Howler Brothers book
    • Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/rick-wittenbraker/

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    4:00 - Rick's childhood and what he wanted to be when he grew up

    9:15 - Rick's first job out of college

    11:15 - Rick's mentor in his first job

    14:45 - When Rick became interested in marketing

    18:00 - When Rick realized he and Yeti were onto something big

    20:45 - Inspirations for Rick's style of marketing with Yeti, and why it works so well

    25:30 - Fun that Rick has had on the job

    27:45 - Why Rick decided to move along from Yeti

    29:45 - A bump in Rick's career road

    31:15 - Balancing the merits of business ideas and businesses with the people who implement them

    38:00 - Describing Howler Bros.

    44:15 - How Howler Bros. balances their identity and values with the need for business growth

    46:15 - Separating personal identity from brand identity

    49:30 - Balancing initiative and recklessness as it pertains to business progress

    51:30 - Where Rick's generosity and willingness to help comes from

    54:00 - The future of Howler Bros.

    58:15 - Rick's book recommendations

    1:03:00 - Rick's parting words of wisdom

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    ABOUT MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE:

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    50 Years of the Endangered Species Act - Live in Austin Jan 09, 2024
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    This is a special live episode that was recorded in Austin, Texas, in November of 2023 at the 50th Anniversary Endangered Species Act Symposium. As you may know, 2023 marked 50 years since the passing of the Endangered Species Act (ESA), which is one the most influential and impactful pieces of conservation legislation in United States history. This symposium gathered together an impressive and wide range of ESA experts from governmental, non-profit, and for-profit organizations, and we spent the day discussing the ESA's fascinating and complex past, present, and future.

    In this episode, we'll hear from four leaders who have worked in the trenches of conservation for decades, and each of them brings a unique perspective on both the challenges and opportunities that the ESA creates for on-the-ground conservation. The panelists are:

    • Gary Frazer, Assistant Director for Ecological Services at the US Fish and Wildlife Service

    • Peg Romanik, a recently retired high-ranking attorney from the Department of Interior

    • Jimmy Bullock, Senior Vice President at Resource Management Service LLC

    • Leo Miranda-Castro, Former USFWS Director and current Executive Director of Conservation without Conflict

    All four of these distinguished panelists have worked extensively within the frameworks of the Endangered Species Act, and they bring a wealth of practical and philosophical knowledge about the ESA's impact over the past 50 years… and its expected impacts in the future. But perhaps more importantly, these four panelists helped me to appreciate the humanity behind the historic, powerful legislation– the smart, dedicated, conservation-minded leaders whose work has allowed the act to effect change and evolve over the past five decades.

    We covered a lot during this hour-long discussion, and highlights include: How the ESA switched from a more punitive to a more collaborative approach; concrete examples of productive, collaborative conservation; working with the extreme opinions about climate change; hopes for the future of market-incentivized species conservation; examining potential political threats to the ESA; the evolution of using the ESA for single species conservation to using it for landscape-scale conservation, advice for young people in the conservation field, and much more.

    This episode was the last panel discussion of the day, so if you'd like to listen to the first three panels, you can do so on this episode's webpage: www.mountainandprairie.com/esa. Those earlier sessions include discussions with everyone from one of the ESA's authors to some of today's most renowned conservation thought leaders– I really can't imagine having a more impressive group of conservation practitioners in one room. You can check out the episode notes for a link to the Symposium's program, which includes all the details of the day's event and speaker bios.

    And one more thing: This symposium was organized by the fellows of the James G. Teer Conservation Leadership Institute, which is sponsored by The Texas Chapter of The Wildlife Society. The mission of the Teer Institute is to ensure a future legacy of well-trained conservation leaders by providing professional training in leadership skills and contemporary conservation. I was so impressed with all the fellows and left this event feeling very optimistic about the future of conservation in Texas and beyond.

    A huge thank you to the fellows and to Dr. Roel Lopez of Texas A&M University for inviting me down to Austin to moderate this panel. It was an honor to be in the same room with all these amazingly inspiring folks. Hope you enjoy!

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    • Episode notes and recordings of other panels: https://mountainandprairie.com/esa
    • James G. Teer Conservation Leadership Institute
    • Texas Chapter of the Wildlife Society

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    • 4:00 - Introduction
    • 10:15 - Peg describes when the ESA switched from a more punitive to a more collaborative approach
    • 14:45 - Leo's example of good collaborative conservation
    • 21:00 - How Gary handles extreme opinions about climate change
    • 27:00 - Examples of Jimmy's work with the ESA that became financially sustainable
    • 31:30 - Hopes for the future of market-incentivized species conservation
    • 34:45 - Examining the security of the ESA
    • 39:00 - Discussing the evolution of using the ESA for single species conservation to using it for landscape-scale conservation
    • 44:30 - The panel's advice for young people in this field
    • 53:15 - Wrapping up and acknowledgments

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    SHED SESSION: 12 Things I Loved in 2023 Dec 30, 2023
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    An excerpt from the most recent Shed Session episode, highlighting some of the books, experiences, products, activities, and organizations that made 2023 a year to remember.

    To listen to the full hour-long episode and all future Shed Sessions, become a Patreon supporter.

    FULL EPISODE: https://www.patreon.com/posts/shed-session-12-95389124

    PATREON: https://mountainandprairie.com/patreon

    MOUNTAIN & PRAIRIE: https://mountainandprairie.com/


    Paige Lewis - Durable Conservation, Collective Action, and Strategic Thinking Dec 26, 2023
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    Paige Lewis is the Deputy State Director and Director of Conservation Programs for The Nature Conservancy in Colorado. In this role, she serves as the chapter's chief conservation officer and is responsible for leading the development of innovative, large-scale, and entrepreneurial solutions to the challenges facing people and nature in Colorado and around the world. Paige brings a unique skill set that combines big-picture thinking with tangible, one-the-ground execution– her work involves creating ambitious, large-scale strategies, while also ensuring that the TNC team has the resources, communication, and support to accomplish its goals.

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    Over the course of this 2023 podcast series with TNC Colorado, we've highlighted both the breadth and depth of the organization's work in Colorado and beyond. From grassland conservation to sustainable water management to forest health to urban conservation efforts (and much more!), it's been amazing to learn about the positive impact that TNC is having across such a broad spectrum of pressing environmental issues. And if you've wondered, as I have, how TNC successfully aligns so many initiatives, teams, and stakeholders toward common organizational goals, well, you're in luck, because that's exactly what Paige does!

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    Paige and I sat down at the TNC office in Boulder just before the holidays and had a fun conversation that looked back at some of the 2023 conservation wins and looked forward toward TNC's ambitious goals for the future. We started out discussing Paige's lifelong appreciation for conservation, and her career that took her from her home state of Utah to Washington DC and eventually to Colorado. We discussed her skill of thinking strategically while also focusing on the need to get things done, and how she has managed to keep so many balls in the air year after year. We talk about durable conservation, collective action, and embracing risk, and we also discuss the challenges and opportunities that come with setting ambitious goals. Paige is a voracious reader and lover of history, so she has tons of excellent book recommendations.

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    A big thank you to Paige for taking the time to chat with me during such a busy time of year, and, once again, thank you for listening. Hope you enjoy.

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    • Paige Lewis
    • All 2023 TNC episodes
    • Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/paige-lewis/

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    This episode is brought to you in partnership with the Colorado chapter of The Nature Conservancy. Guided by science and grounded by decades of collaborative partnerships, The Nature Conservancy has a long-standing legacy of achieving lasting results to create a world where nature and people thrive.

    On the fourth Tuesday of every month throughout 2023, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancy's leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West.

    To learn more about The Nature Conservancy's impactful work in Colorado and around the world, visit www.nature.org/colorado

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    3:30 - How Paige became interested in conservation

    9:15 - Paige's first conservation job

    10:45 - Adjusting from the West to DC

    11:45 - Paige's return West

    15:00 - How Paige ended up at TNC

    18:30 - Paige's role at TNC

    23:30 - An example of successful collaborative work in Paige's time at TNC

    27:15 - What Paige is most proud of in TNC's 2023 work

    30:30 - Reflecting on TNC's progress towards their 2026 strategic goals

    34:30 - How Paige prioritizes and keeps all the balls in the air

    39:45 - What "durable conservation" means and looks like to Paige

    42:30 - What "collective action" means and looks like to Paige

    45:30 - How Paige knows when to shift from ideation and relationship building to action

    48:45 - How TNC's approach to taking risks has changed during Paige's tenure

    52:15 - What qualities Paige thinks makes a good team member at TNC

    56:15 - Paige's book recommendations

    1:02:15 - Paige's parting words

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    Jenna Pollard - Timber Framing, Organic Farming, Community, & Purpose Dec 07, 2023
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    Jenna Pollard is a timber framer, a farmer, and an advocate for organic agriculture, but at her core, she is a teacher. The list of Jenna's inspiring projects, causes, and interests is too extensive to summarize in a few sentences, but to give you an overview: She hosts workshops for women in which they learn the art of timber framing and build structures as a team from the ground up. She's a team member with Worldwide Opportunities on Organic Farms (also known as WWOOF), where she helps to provide opportunities for aspiring farmers to build their careers. She's also a committed traveler, community builder, reader, and all-around inspiring human.

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    Born and raised in South Dakota, Jenna grew up immersed in the outdoors and various outdoor adventures. After college, she went to work on an organic farm, which began her professional passion for working closely with the land surrounded by a community of like-minded individuals. As you'll hear, she continued to follow her curiosity and has enjoyed a fulfilling and wide-ranging career– she worked as a teacher in Japan, built her own timber-frame home on the South Dakota prairie, and became deeply involved in helping to develop the skills and confidence of future farmers and timber framers. But if there's a thread that connects all of Jenna's work, it's her commitment to building community through hard work and shared purpose– one of my favorite topics to discuss.

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    I first learned about Jenna through a short film by Patagonia Workwear that profiled her women's timber-framing workshops– I've linked to the film in the episode notes. So I was thrilled that our schedules aligned so that we could have this conversation, and I learned so much for her. We discussed her upbringing in South Dakota and how her outdoor-focused childhood laid the foundation for her career. We discussed the intricacies of timber framing, and why it is such a powerful skill for building community and confidence. We talk a lot about WWOOF and its Future Farming Program, and Jenna offers some ways that aspiring farmers can get involved. We also discuss books, how Jenna accomplishes so much, how Patagonia has encouraged and supported her work, lessons learned from Japan, and much much more.

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    If you want to connect with Jenna, attend a workshop, or learn more about WWOOF, there are links to everything in the episode notes. Thanks for listening, hope you enjoy.

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    • REFRAMED | Built by Women | Patagonia Films
    • WWOOF-USA: wwoofusa.org
    • Steger Center - stegercenter.org
    • The Canelo Project - https://caneloproject.com
    • Olympic Outpost - https://olympicoutpost.com
    • Full episode notes and links: https://mountainandprairie.com/jenna-pollard/

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    • 2:30 - Where Jenna grew up
    • 4:15 - What Jenna did for fun as a kid
    • 6:30 - Turning points in Jenna's life regarding self-sufficiency in the outdoors
    • 8:45 - Post-high school for Jenna
    • 11:00 - How something like WWOOFing drew Jenna's career attention
    • 13:30 - Books and thinkers that influenced Jenna's agrarian lifestyle
    • 16:00 - Defining "timber framing," and exploring why it captured Jenna's attention
    • 20:00 - When Jenna decided to start teaching timber framing
    • 21:15 - Discussing the process of Jenna building her house in South Dakota
    • 24:45 - How Jenna came to specifically teach women how to timber frame
    • 38:15 - How Patagonia became interested in Jenna's timber framing classes
    • 30:45 - Continuing to explore the importance of Jenna's work with women
    • 33:00 - Jenna's success stories from her classes
    • 37:15 - The relationships that Jenna builds through timber framing
    • 39:15 - Jenna's students' goals
    • 40:45 - Discussing WWOOF
    • 43:15 - Discussing the 2024 Future Farming Program
    • 47:15 - How Jenna manages to do all of this!
    • 48:15 - Jenna's time as a teacher in Japan
    • 52:30 - Whether or not Jenna ever questioned her path
    • 55:15 - Jenna's book recommendations
    • 1:01:15 - Jenna's parting words of wisdom

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    Diana Lane & Aaron Derwingson - Thriving Rivers, Resilient Agriculture, and Strong Communities Nov 28, 2023
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    Diana Lane is the Director of Sustainable Food and Water at the Colorado Chapter of the Nature Conservancy, and Aaron Derwingson is the Water Projects Director for the Nature Conservancy's Colorado River Program. Both Diana and Aaron work at the intersection of water sustainability, thriving rivers, resilient agriculture, and strong communities– harnessing TNC's relationships and resources to advance some of the most cutting-edge and effective conservation initiatives in the American West.

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    Diana and Aaron bring a diverse set of skills and experiences to their work at TNC. Diana holds a PhD in Biological Sciences and has spent much of her career working with a wide array of partners on restoration ecology and planning, climate adaptation, and management of public funding. Aaron is a river guide-turned-conservationist who began his career focusing on conservation in the Rio Grande River basin, and now applies his skills toward creating pragmatic, solution-oriented approaches to freshwater challenges in the greater Colorado River basin. But perhaps most importantly, they both bring a deep level of passion and focus to their work– their optimistic commitment to solving some of the West's most pressing water and agricultural challenges is infectious.

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    Diana, Aaron, and I connected virtually and had an educational and inspiring conversation about water, agriculture, and community here in Colorado and beyond. We discussed some of the most urgent water-related challenges and opportunities and how they are working with a wide range of stakeholders to find mutually beneficial solutions. We discuss the Yampa River fund, their work helping agricultural producers adjust to a drier climate, and the all-important role of building solid relationships with stakeholders. We discussed the Maybell Irrigation Ditch Project, which is a fascinating, win-win project for both producers and recreational river users, and we discussed some of the water-related challenges that keep both Diana and Aaron up and night. And as usual, they both have plenty of excellent book recommendations.

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    A huge thank you to Diana and Aaron for taking the time to talk with me, and thank you for listening. Hope you enjoy!

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    On the fourth Tuesday of every month throughout 2023, Mountain & Prairie will be delving into conversations with a wide range of The Nature Conservancy's leaders, partners, collaborators, and stakeholders, highlighting the myriad of conservation challenges, opportunities, and solutions here in the American West.

    To learn more about The Nature Conservancy's impactful work in Colorado and around the world, visit www.nature.org/colorado

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    • 3:30 - Diana and Aaron's backgrounds
    • 7:30 - Aaron's read on the future of water
    • 12:30 - Diana's overview of the Yampa River Fund
    • 18:30 - Aaron's work with producers to adjust to the new water reality
    • 23:15 - The process of building relationships with producers for water projects
    • 27:00 - The Colorado Water Plan's impact on Diana and Aaron's work
    • 31:45 - Discussing the Yampa River Fund
    • 41:15 - The things about Colorado water that keep Diana and Aaron up at night
    • 47:15 - What makes a solid conservation professional
    • 51:00 - How you can help TNC in this work
    • 55:30 - Diana and Aaron's book recommendations
    • 1:00:00 - Parting requests and words of wisdom

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    John Vaillant - A Riveting Exploration of Fire Nov 20, 2023
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    John Vaillant is a renowned writer and journalist whose work has appeared in The New Yorker, The Atlantic, National Geographic, and more, and he's also the author of classic books including "The Tiger" and "The Golden Spruce." His most recent book is "Fire Weather: A True Story from a Hotter World," which is a must-read for anyone interested in wildfires, humans' relationship with fire, and the future of fire-related disasters. And you don't have to take my word for it– the book won the 2023 Baillie Gifford Prize for Non-Fiction and was a finalist for both the National Book Award and the Hilary Weston Writers' Trust Prize for Nonfiction.

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    "Fire Weather" tells the story of the 2016 Fort McMurray wildfire– a historic and apocalyptic fire that torched the city of Fort McMurray, Alberta, and spread across nearly 1.5 million acres of forest. With this epic disaster as the focal point, John masterfully weaves in the fascinating histories of fire, the fossil fuel industry, and climate science. He also explores 21st-century wildfires– why they are hotter, more aggressive, and more destructive than anything we've seen before. Whether you're interested in the science of fire and forest health, the fascinating relationship between humans and fire, or you're just looking for a book that you won't be able to put down, I give "Fire Weather" my highest endorsement.

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    Wildfires are obviously becoming more and more intense and destructive here in the West, so I was excited to chat with John and dig deeper into the history of fire and the outlook for the future. We discussed why he decided to devote many years to writing about this particular wildfire, and how the book's ingenious structure came to him in a dream. We talk about the similarities between living beings and fire, a fascinating idea known as the Lucretius Problem, some of the story's larger-than-life characters, John's long-term goals for the book, some of his favorite books, and much, much more.

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    A huge thanks to John for writing such an impactful book and for taking the time to chat with me. I encourage you to pick up a copy of "Fire Weather" as soon as you can, but in the meantime, enjoy this wide-ranging conversation with John Vaillant.

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    TOPICS DISCUSSED:

    • 3:30 - When John realized he wanted to write about fire
    • 11:15 - The surprising significance of dreams in John's writing
    • 14:15 - How John organizes the information in his head so he can write
    • 19:45 - A brief note on pacing, and the similarities between living beings and fire
    • 30:45 - The Lucretius Problem
    • 35:45 - How John finds the characters for his book
    • 44:15 - How John handles writing about someone in a less-than-flattering light
    • 52:00 - John's goals for his book, Fire Weather
    • 57:30 - John's book recommendations
    • 1:02:15 - John's parting words of wisdom

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