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Finding Joy After Mormonism w/ Sharon Beesley | Ep. 2079 Nov 03, 2025

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In this episode of Mormon Stories, John and Margi Dehlin sit down with Sharon Beesley, a therapist, writer and former Mormon “mommy blogger,” to explore the evolution of her faith journey in Mormonism.

Sharon was brought into the church as a child in Florida when her mother chose to convert. She discusses the warmth and community she found in her ward there, and the early testimonies that grounded her. Yet her story also weaves through deep loss with the death of her mother, and how that grief initially drew her closer to the Church.

Sharon attended BYU, got married, and set out to live the ideal Mormon lifestyle. Their family ultimately ended up in New York city, where Sharon began to find relationships with people outside the church. With this move, her worldview began to shift as she encountered new ideas about faith, feminism, and authenticity.

Topics Include:

-Growing up Mormon in Florida

-Coping with grief through faith

-Marriage, motherhood, and mixed-faith relationships

Feminism

This episode offers a gentle, wise, and grounding perspective for anyone navigating faith transitions, loss, or rediscovering joy beyond belief.

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Polygamy or Adultery? Fanny Alger & Joseph Smith - John Turner Pt. 20 | Ep. 2078 Oct 31, 2025

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Welcome to part 20 of our epic series on Dr. John G. Turner’s landmark biography, “Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.”

Things are really heating up as we enter the mid-1830s in the life of Joseph Smith, founder of the Latter-day Saint movement. This episode dives into one of the most controversial and debated episodes in early Mormon history –Joseph’s relationship with Fanny Alger, a young woman employed in the Smith household in Kirtland, Ohio in 1836.

Was it adultery? Was it an early form of plural marriage? Or was it something else entirely –a “scrape”?

Join us for Part 1 of Chapter 18, where we unpack Turner’s detailed treatment of this scandal, explore how it fractured relationships within the early church (especially between Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery), and trace how it shaped the theology of polygamy that would later emerge in Nauvoo.

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00:00:00 Introductions00:02:55 How do you pronounce Fanny Alger’s name?00:04:25 New headings to the Doctrine and Covenants00:09:53 The Book of Mormon caveat on polygamy and linking it to the Bible00:13:58 When Joseph Smith met Fanny and when the affair began00:15:35 What do we know about Fanny Alger?00:21:34 Had Joseph not received the keys for sealing in 1836?00:24:12 How does this scandal erupt?00:27:54 Why did it take two years for this all to come out?00:29:16 Levi Hancock background on sealing Joseph to Fanny Alger00:36:02 The nature of the relationship00:40:09 “Dirty nasty filthy affair" vs “scrape”00:45:49 Eliza R. Snow considered Fanny to be Joseph’s first wife00:47:29 Was Joseph Smith trying to justify his feelings for Fanny?00:51:55 Another possible interpretation01:00:08 What happens to Fanny?01:02:58 Fanny’s final testimony on the matter01:07:12 Apostles hear rumors that Joseph has committed adultery01:14:15 The reasons Kirtland collapsed01:19:19 Why this breach between Joseph and Oliver becomes irreparable01:21:44 How Joseph Smith got away with this?01:26:24 One thing that doesn’t seem to have happened is that no one asked Emma01:33:46 Does this make Joseph Smith a fraud?01:45:25 Closing Remarks

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Was Joseph Smith Credible? w/ Sandra Tanner - LDS Discussions 65 | Ep. 2077 Oct 29, 2025

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Sandra Tanner is back with us on LDS Discussions to conclude our conversation on three new church essays recently published by the LDS Church. In this episode, we’ll finish our coverage of the essay on polygamy and move on to the final essay, which addresses the character of Joseph Smith.

Topics include:

-Joseph’s failed prophecies

-Joseph’s treatment of Emma

-Joseph’s 21 criminal cases

Join us as we unpack these final issues and reflect on what they reveal about Joseph Smith and early church history.

00:00:00 Introduction00:05:32 What did Emma know about JS’s practice of Plural Marriage?00:12:26 If these were righteous marriages, why doesn't the church publicize who the plural wives are?00:27:38 Sharing clips from Julia’s channel - Eliza Snow and the gold watch00:33:24 Next Clip - Joseph’s treatment of Emma00:39:57 How did women experience plural marriage?00:53:45 How did plural marriage end in the church?01:01:34 Next Essay - Joseph Smith’s Character01:11:17 Church claims Joseph “recognized his weaknesses”01:16:15 Discussing Joseph’s failed prophecies01:19:45 What did Joseph’s contemporaries say about his character?01:22:55 Brad Wilcox clip01:26:16 Can a person with flaws still be a prophet?01:34:09 Russell M. Nelson clip01:49:02 If you’re offended by Joseph’s actions you’re not spiritually mature?02:00:05 Discussing Joseph’s 21 criminal cases02:19:27 Did Joseph pay his debts?02:24:24 Did Joseph exercise undue political power?02:34:49 Summarizing the essay on Joseph’s character02:45:11 How to make sense of the conflicting views of Joseph Smith according to the church03:06:44 What grade would we give these essays?03:08:10 Conclusion

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Why Young Women Are Leaving the Mormon Church - Caroline Barrow | Ep. 2076 Oct 27, 2025

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Caroline Barrow was raised in a typical Mormon household in Louisiana. While she was a faithful believer in the Church, she always had questions about certain teachings but was often encouraged to halt her critical thinking on these issues. She chose to attend BYU and serve a Mormon mission, but continued to be plagued by questions—particularly around polygamy and the treatment of women in the LDS faith. Caroline also found herself struggling with scrupulosity, perfectionism, and the many pressures placed on women in the Church.

Listen as she shares her story of how she confronted these questions and learned to trust herself and her instincts as an analytical woman within the Mormon faith.

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The Kirtland Temple Dedication Pentecost - John Turner Pt. 19 | Ep. 2075 Oct 24, 2025

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In part 19 of our deep-dive into Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet by Dr. John G. Turner, we explore the fascinating events surrounding the Kirtland Temple dedication (that took place in 1836) in Kirtland, Ohio.

This episode focuses on Chapter 17, examining key developments in early Latter-day Saint ritual practice –including solemn assemblies, washings and anointings, the washing of feet, and even ritual cleansings (in cinnamon whiskey!). We also discuss internal church conflicts, prophetic authority, spiritual manifestations, and the powerful endowment promises given to early Church leaders.

We also explore Joseph Smith’s institutional genius, visions and heavenly visitations, Hebrew studies and the Adamic language, early temple worship and spiritual ecstacy, and controversies and personal reflections from John Turner’s biography.

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00:00:00 Introduction00:03:44 Comment on the case of Lucina Elliott00:11:58 Launching into the conflict in Chapter 17 - William Smith00:18:08 Joshua and Joseph’s study of Hebrew00:30:20 Solemn Assembly in the Kirtland Temple00:33:16 What Joseph did in response to conflict - introduce rituals00:45:46 The origins of the washing and anointing part of the LDS endowment00:59:35 Powerful moment when the First Presidency confessed their sins01:04:34 Visions and the heavens being opened01:10:17 Visitations of Christ, Adam, Abraham, Michael, etc.01:15:35 Kirtland Temple Dedication01:30:08 The practice of speaking in tongues in the 1800s01:36:00 The use of wine during these rituals01:40:49 The washing of feet01:51:36 A vision of Jesus Christ standing at the pulpit in front of them02:08:48 How Dr. John G. Turner ended the chapter02:11:05 Final remarks

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Four (or Five) Types of Mormons? - Are LDS Church Members Secularizing? | Ep. 2074 Oct 23, 2025

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Join John Dehlin, Julie Hanks, Jana Spangler, and Beau Oyler (the Mormon Bridgebuilders) as we review a new analysis of LDS Church members by Alex Bass.

Links:

- Alex Bass's study

- Benjamin Park's Analysis

- SL Tribune Article

- Robert Kirby's 5 Types of Mormons

00:00:00 Introduction

00:06:15 Maddie Packer clip

00:11:29 Julie’s response to this clip

00:16:44 How social media plays into the problem - only sound bits are shared

00:23:52 Introducing Alex Bass

00:26:05 Alex’s “Mormon Typology Report”

00:28:23 How Alex conducted this survey

00:29:49 The Four Types of Mormons

00:32:27 First type: “devout believers"

00:33:47 Second typer: “The adaptive believers”

00:43:32 Is Mormon Orthodoxy in decline?

00:52:33 Third Type: “The Inbetweeners”

00:55:42 Fourth Type: “Cultural Mormons”

01:12:24 Graph of how the groups are changing over time

01:15:27 Saying goodbye and thank you to Alex

01:16:15 Ben Park’s summary of this study

01:19:14 Applications to BYU are declining

01:30:33 LDS is the highest republican group

01:37:17 Half of mormons now support same-sex marriage

01:54:35 Mayci Nealey (SLOMW) clip

01:54:42 Welcoming Patrick Mason to the panel

02:17:00 Jana on the "Hallmarks of developmental psychology”

02:28:43 How Mormon Stories has tried to encourage people to stay in the church

02:3214 The three types of Mormons who are still attending church

02:39:30 How wards have different “personalities”

02:58:21 Closing thoughts

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The Mormon Church Saved My Life - Keira Shae | Ep. 2073 Oct 20, 2025

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Today we welcome to the podcast Keira Shae, who joins us to share her story of converting to the LDS Church as a teenager while growing up in an abusive home.

Living in Utah, Keira was surrounded by Mormons and idealized them as a contrast to her tumultuous home life. Around the age of fifteen, she went to live with a foster family who required her to follow church guidelines very rigidly. At the time, however, this structured lifestyle was a welcome change from her chaotic upbringing.

After marrying and starting a family with a return missionary, Keira did her best to live up to the expectations of being the “perfect” Mormon wife and mother. Over time, though, she found herself struggling with perfectionism, scrupulosity, and the process of discovering her bisexuality.

Join us to hear how Keira confronted these challenges and where she stands with the Mormon Church today.

You can purchase Keira's memoir, How the Light Gets In here.

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Family Feud & Scandal in Early Mormonism - John Turner pt. 18 | Ep. 2072 Oct 17, 2025

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Welcome back to Part 18 of our Joseph Smith Podcast series, where we continue our in-depth exploration of Dr. John Turner’s groundbreaking biography, Joseph Smith: The Rise and Fall of an American Prophet.

In this episode, we dive into parts of Chapter 16 and 17 –two of the most dramatic and revealing sections yet. We cover the explosive sibling feud between Joseph Smith and his brother William, explore the first child abuse scandal in 1835, and trace Joseph’s evolving leadership and spiritual promises as the Restoration movement matures.

From the aftermath of Zion’s Camp and early church discipline to visions of divine power and the early roots of temple ritual, these chapters reveal a prophet under pressure –and a family and faith community in turmoil. This is an episode you won’t want to miss!

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00:00:00 Introduction00:06:23 Joseph’s months long feud with his brother William00:20:36 Joseph Smith senior gets sick00:23:32 Elliott scandal00:36:12 The Elliott’s make confessions00:44:14 Why was William so invested in this case?00:54:15 The Second Anointing01:07:03 How things end up between Joseph Smith and William Smith?01:11:03 Closing remarks

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LDS Church Announces New Prophet and 1st Presidency - Dallin Oaks, Henry Eyring, Todd Christofferson | Ep. 2071 Oct 15, 2025

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Today, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints announced a new Prophet and First Presidency. Following the passing of President Russell M. Nelson, senior apostle Dallin H. Oaks has been called as the next Prophet and President of the Church, with Henry B. Eyring and D. Todd Christofferson as his counselors.

In this livestream reaction episode, we discuss the LDS system of prophetic succession (seniority-based), why these counselors choices are both expected AND surprising, who might fill the new vacancy in the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, the health and age concerns surrounding the new leadership, and reactions to the official Church livestream, press conference and speeches given. We also explore the broader implications of the Church –including generational leadership, LGBTQ issues, and possible future apostolic calls.

Join us as we watch and react live to the LDS announcement of the new First Presidency.

The original broadcast can be viewed here.

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An African (Kenya) Mormon Story - Dr. Joe Ngatia | Ep. 2070 Oct 14, 2025

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In this powerful and first-ever interview with a Latter-day Saint convert from Kenya, we explore the remarkable faith journey of Dr. Joe Ngatia (pronounced “ga-tia”). Africa has become one of the fastest growing regions for The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, yet Joe’s story reveals the complexities behind that growth – from faith and miracles to history, race, and resilience.

Joe shares his encounter with the missionaries and how his family first reacted having only heard rumors about “Mormons being devil worshippers.” His story moves from Nairobi to Rexburg, Idaho, BYU-Provo, and on to medical school in Florida, chronicling his faith, struggles with racism in America, and developing cracks in his testimony. Joe reflects on questions of revelation, truth, miracles, and identity – asking what it means to remain true to one’s own spiritual experiences while confronting painful history?

This is one of our most profound and far-reaching conversations yet – bridging continents, beliefs, and experiences in search of understanding.

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