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Get ready for a delectable experience with Meat + Three, your bi-weekly serving of food stories and commentary served up by the talented Fellows at Heritage Radio Network (HRN). Inspired by the Southern tradition of a hearty main dish and three sides, this podcast offers a deep dive into the latest food trends, the socio-cultural impact of food, and personal narratives about our relationships with what we eat and drink.

Powered by the HRN Fellowship program, Meat + Three serves as a vibrant platform for our seasonally-rotating contributors to share their insights and stories, ensuring a diverse range of voices and perspectives. Join us as we explore the food systems landscape, uncovering what’s happening in the world right now.

Meat + Three is proudly brought to you by HRN, a Brooklyn-based nonprofit dedicated to fostering a more equitable, sustainable, and delicious world through its array of over 25 weekly food shows.

This program is supported, in part, by the Julia Child Foundation for Gastronomy and the Culinary Arts as well as public funds from the New York City Department of Cultural Affairs, in partnership with the City Council.

Hosted by Taylor Early and H Conley.

Latest Episodes:

Bursting Bubbles: From Shortages to Seltzer Apr 02, 2021

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When you think of bubbles, what pops into your mind? Is it rainbow colored soap? Carbonated soda? Perhaps even social distancing bubbles?

This week, we’re jumping into a world filled with fizz, iridescence and deliciousness. We’re talking about how to make bubbles. How to eat them. And the unexpected ways in which they’ve shaped our culture and history.

We’re looking at how the pandemic led to a domino effect from a gasoline decrease to a CO2 shortage and, eventually, a craft beer crisis. But bubbles aren’t just limited to the type that make you burp. Diving to the bottom of a cup of delicious bubble tea, we examine what lies at the core of the popular drink. Finally, we take it back to a bubbly classic, seltzer, and examine its significance in New York City.

Further Reading:

DJ Armen Hammer’s Soundcloud

You can find Grey Sail Brewing at https://greysailbrewing.com/

Check out Robert Ku’s other work on Asian-American diaspora, including “Dubious Gastronomy: The Cultural Politics of Eating Asian in the USA”, here

To contact Walter Backerman, email mrbubbles105@cs.com. For more information about the history of seltzer, check out the book Seltzertopia: The Extraordinary Story of an Ordinary Drink by Barry Joseph and The Nosher’s “Why Jews Love Seltzer” by Sara Gardner.

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Corn to be Wild Mar 29, 2021

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When you think of corn, you might think of the 90s metal band (spelled with a ‘K’ and embodying a raucous explosion of angst and anger). More likely, corn conjures images of a summer barbeque: bright yellow ears grilled, buttered, and eaten straight off the cob.

However, the story of corn is more expansive and complicated than these contemporary reference points. Right now, industrial corn farming consumes 96 million acres of United States farmland (the US is the world’s largest producer of the crop). It receives billions of dollars in government subsidies every year, and it has turned the once-rich grassland of the midwest into the industrial corn belt, a vast monoculture with weak, pesticide-ridden soil.

This week, we unpack the role that corn plays in our ecosystems, economies, and the experiences of farmers. We start with a story about organic corn being fed to livestock. Then, we dive into the world of ethanol, and learn why it may not be the answer to our energy needs. We explore the complicated politics of corn legislation and how it affects farmers. Finally, we learn about the spiritual history of corn, and how people are keeping that history alive today.

Further Reading:

If you want to learn more about industrial corn farming, you can check out this article in Mother Jones, or you can read part one of Michael Pollen’s The Omnivore's Dilemma, which is all about corn.

To learn more about corn in Oaxaca, check out Yira Vallejo and Jonathan Barbieri’s work on the film Los Guardianes del Maíz.

If you’re interested in keeping up with Korn fans, you can check out Patrick’s Korn covers on his YouTube channel. You can also listen to Justin Wilson’s full episode about Korn on his podcast, Deprogrammed.

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New Show Spotlight: Fields Mar 19, 2021

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We’re spotlighting a new show on HRN: Fields. Fields brings you the stories of people who are working in urban agriculture—for money, for fun, to feed the hungry, and for entirely other reasons. In each episode, hosts Melissa Metrick and Wythe Marschall delve into different foods grown in cities. Moreover, they investigate the whys behind getting up in the morning and working as a farmer in the shadow of skyscrapers. You don’t need to be a farmer to enjoy this podcast, or even a foodie! With their expert guests, Melissa and Wythe break down the realities and possible futures of urban farming to their elements.

Today we share Episode 5: ‘Shrooms! Indoors, Foraged, and Friendly. Why are mushrooms so popular recently, and who is growing them—and searching for them in the wild—in New York City? To find out, the hosts interviewed a whole bunch of fungi-focused folks. Learn about the cello-inspired origins of the commercial vertical farming startup Smallhold, which grows oyster mushrooms and lion’s mane all over the city. Hear from an entrepreneur on why she started—and then sold—her mushroom farm in Brooklyn. Melissa and Wythe visit expert forager Wildman Steve—who makes us call him “Wildman”—and try to avoid his bird. And they end with a very fun, philosophical interview of Jie Jin, a mushroom club organizer who makes them rethink our relationship to fungi spores.

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Rethinking Surplus: Innovative Solutions to Excess Mar 12, 2021

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Surplus is usually defined as what’s left over when the demand, or need, of a population has been met. However, in the context of the food system, this definition leaves us with more leftovers than answers. What might be referred to as surplus food faces a core contradiction: while approximately 35% of the food we produce goes to waste, about 50 million people in the U.S. are experiencing food insecurity. This number has increased from previous years due to the Covid-19 pandemic, which begs the question – is it possible to have a food surplus when the need for nourishment is only going up?

This week, we rethink the meaning of surplus. We start off with a lesson on embracing the food sharing economy. Then, we walk through the process of upcycling leftover grain from breweries into crackers and learn about eliminating surplus in dairy production as a response to Covid-19. Last but not least, we look at an example of closed-loop manufacturing that turns surplus waste into a common household product.

Further Reading and Listening:

For more on the sharing economy, check out Michael Carolan’s book The Food Sharing Revolution: How Start-Ups, Pop-Ups, and Co-ops are Changing the Way We Eat.

Need a new addition to your charcuterie board? Check out Brewer’s Crackers.

Feast Yr Ears: This episode featured “Episode 131: The Food Sharing Revolution.” Subscribe to Feast Yr Ears wherever you get your podcasts. (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS).

Cutting the Curd: This episode featured “Episode 442: Upcycled Inspiration: A Conversation with Kyle Fiasconaro of Brewers Crackers.” Subscribe to Cutting the Curd wherever you get your podcasts (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS).

Eating Matters: This episode featured “Episode 155: Closing the Loop on Food Waste.” Subscribe to Eating Matters wherever you get your podcasts. (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS).

What Doesn’t Kill You: This episode featured “Episode 329: Rebuilding Dairy in Pennsylvania” Subscribe to What Doesn’t Kill You wherever you get your podcasts. (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify| RSS)

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You Can’t Always Drink What You Want Mar 08, 2021

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From coffee shops to cocktail bars, the world of beverages has been turned upside down by the pandemic. You can’t always drink what you want. And now, more than ever, you can’t always drink where you want. But even before Covid-19, transformations in the production line, farming practices, and workplace inclusivity have affected what we drink.

In this episode, splash into the world of beverages – from the drinks we sip on to the places we imbibe. We’ll investigate the ways access, history, legislation, and simple circumstance may limit the beverages we consume. We’ll explore how to make the most of the ingredients lying around the dustiest of liquor cabinets. And for those who are tired of making at-home drinks, we’ll hear from a North Carolina state representative and bar owners about the state of to-go cocktails. We’ll learn about the future of the American craft cider industry and its potential to diversify the labor force backed behind it. Finally, we’ll delve into the increasingly popular caffeinated drink Yaupon, whose history tells a story of cultural resilience.

Additional Resources

Check out John deBary’s flowchart and plenty more cocktail tips in his book, Drink What You Want. If you’re interested in learning more about non-alcoholic drinks, give Proteau a try.

Hard Core: This episode featured “Episode 6: What’s Next for American Craft Cider?” Subscribe to Hard Core wherever you get your podcasts. (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS).

Thirsty? Sip on some Yaupon Brothers American Tea.

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Planting the Seed: Time Travel, Shortages and Heirloom Crops Feb 27, 2021

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Seeds are the source and symbol of life. In our modern food system, with fewer and fewer people physically involved in the practice of agriculture, it’s easy to forget that our sustenance comes from the heroics of these persistent organisms.

With spring just around the corner, we’re sowing the seeds of knowledge and empathy through four unique stories. We dig into why some seed sellers’ shortage of seeds was actually due to an abundance of zealous home-gardeners. We harvest ideas from an episode of Fields, a new urban farming podcast on HRN, on how seeds are the world’s first and only time travelers, and what they can share with us about the future. We forage through the world of invasive species, and how they can be a proxy for migratory groups and sentiments towards immigrants. Finally, we conclude with a story on the cultural importance of heirloom seeds in the Cherokee nation and their historical struggle to attain seed sovereignty.

Further Reading:

Fields: This episode featured “Episode 1: Seeds and Time Travel.” Subscribe to Fields wherever you get your podcasts (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS).

If you want to learn more about the increased seed demand, you can read Lisa Held’s article in Civil Eats, The COVID Gardening Renaissance Depends on Seeds—if You Can Find Them

Learn more about artist Jan Mun’s work with “invasive” species and mycoremediation – using fungi to break down toxic chemicals – on her website.

You can follow Marisa Prefer’s work with weeds and urban landscapes at invisible labor and Pioneer Works.

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Trading Futures: Borders, Automation, the Dark Web, and the New Silk Road Feb 20, 2021

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It’s the final episode of our series on global trade, and we’ve got our eyes set on the future.

In the past, trade was hindered by distance and limited communication, which today’s internet and fast travel routes have helped to mediate. These days, trade is confronted by new issues: global inequalities that force people to migrate, machines so efficient they’re making human labor redundant, and alarming threats to cybersecurity.

We’ll start by looking at the borders that still divide countries, and the people whose profession it is to cross them. Then, we’ll hear about job automation, and why sitting back and letting robots do our work for us may not be as relaxing as it sounds. Next, we’ll dig deep into the dark corners of the internet. And finally, to conclude our series, we’ll travel to the “new” Silk Road.

Further Reading:

You can find a longer interview with Alyshia Gálvez on a November episode of Meant to be Eaten. To read more about how NAFTA impacts public health and people’s lives in Mexico, check out her book, Eating NAFTA.

You can explore the Dark Web more through Robert Gehl’s book.

Listen to Eating Matters’ full interview with Robyn Metcalf on Episode 137 and subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS).

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Global Trade Bites Back: Animals, Sanctions, Dim Sum, and Disease Feb 16, 2021

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So far, our series on global trade has focused on ingredients that are either sweet or spicy, and that shaped international trade routes. As our stories make clear, there are ups and downs when talking about the globalization of our foodways. So this week, we go from sugar and spice to bites! We’re going to talk about the role that animals have played in the history of the food trade. Then, we have two stories about bite-sized foods with global footprints.

Note: This series started with episode 100, From the Silk Road to a Globalized World: An Introduction to Trade, and we recommend starting there if you’re just tuning in!

Further Reading:

Marilyn Noble’s Roundtable on Coronavirus and Meat Consumption for The Counter

The Economic Impact of Black Death

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Feelin’ the Heat: How Spices Have Flavored Our World Feb 05, 2021

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We continue our global trade mini-series with one of the most distinguishing elements of a cuisine: spice. Where would any regional food culture be without its unique blend of spices? Where would Italian food be without oregano, or Thai food without the bird’s eye chili? Historically, spices are associated with a nation, a region, or perhaps a dish. Yet, in our contemporary world, the average home cook can find the world in their spice rack.

Although we can’t encapsulate the entirety of historic and modern spice trade and its influence in this episode, we consider four unique stories on the histories and implications of flavoring food. We explain the universal adoption and adoration for the chili pepper, and how its violent historic exchange still shrouds many regional foodways. We take a look at the economics of saffron and why it’s so expensive. Then we explore the perception of well-known flavor enhancer, MSG, and why its controversy may be unfounded. Finally, we examine the impetus for current farmer protests igniting in India and what that may mean for the future of global spice trade.

Listen in next week, as we continue our global journey with bites of everything strange, interesting and important in the world of historic and contemporary trade.

Further Reading and Listening:

Subscribe to Cooking in Mexican wherever you get your podcasts (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS)

Subscribe to A Taste of The Past wherever you get your podcasts (Apple Podcasts | Stitcher | Spotify | RSS)

You can visit the Vanilla, Saffron Imports company website here.

Check out Sarah Lohman’s book, Eight Flavors: The Untold Story of American Cuisine here. Learn more about the sham letter to the New England Journal of Medicine at the origin of MSG’s bad rap here. While you’re at it, check out the FDA’s questions and answers page regarding the facts on MSG as a safe food additive.

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Presenting Let's Talk About Food Jan 29, 2021

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This week we take a break from our series on trade to present one of HRN's newest shows, Let's Talk About Food. Hosted by Louisa Kasdon, LTAF is a live storytelling event; because everyone has a food story. From our first mouthful of applesauce in front of our adoring family, to our first bite into a jalapeño pepper, and everything in between, food is at the heart of the human experience. We love it. We need it. Food is family and ritual. Fun and work. Sophistication and guilty pleasure, scarcity and overabundance. Food makes us ecstatic and sometimes crazy. Food delights and disappoints. Can you think of a connector that binds us together more universally or seamlessly than our shared relationships with food? That’s what we do in this podcast: Share entertaining, evocative, celebratory, complicated and funny food stories.

Lydia Shire - How much do I want this recipe?

Lydia Shire is simply one of the country’s leading chefs. Named to every high honor in the culinary world, including becoming the first female executive chef at a Four Season’s Hotel. Lydia began cooking in Boston at 21, as a young divorced mother with three small children. Her story of her drive, ingenuity and skill is inspirational, allowing her to rise to become one of the first female Executive Chef at a Four Seasons hotel, and launching numerous restaurants in her hometown, Boston including Scampo where she shares the executive chef honors with her son. For more about Lydia Shire, visit www.scampoboston.com

Annie Copps - Singles Awareness Day

"Valentine’s Day can be a real clunker for a single person. Twenty years ago I made the mistake of going out for Sunday brunch the morning after Valentine’s Day. You’ve heard of a marijuana haze? This was a post-coital haze. Everyone else in the restaurant had just rolled out of bed with their partner. That’s when I decided to start Singles Awareness Day."

Annie is a chef, cook author, writer, cooking teacher and TV and radio personality. In addition to cooking at many restaurants, she has been the food editor of Boston Magazine and Yankee Magazine. To learn more about the irrepressible Annie Copps, visit www.intellibelly.net

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