Creativity, meet courage.
We explore the simple yet profound process for overcoming fear, doubt, perfectionism, and other enemies of creativity: make it and share it.
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Creativity, meet courage.
We explore the simple yet profound process for overcoming fear, doubt, perfectionism, and other enemies of creativity: make it and share it.
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Join us on Make It. Share It. as we sit down with Donna Stuart, worship leader, songwriter, illustrator, and author from the Washington DC area, for a conversation that will change how you think about your creative delays, your hidden seasons, and the projects that won’t let you go.
Donna has been making and sharing things for decades: touring with a band, leading worship, co-leading a church with her husband Ben, and quietly working on a poetry project called Growing for the last ten years. Growing explores seven seasons of the soul, told in verse, from the darkness of a buried seed to the rise above the ground, through pruning, storms, death, and everything in between. And it finally landed.
In this episode, Donna walks us through the creative odyssey behind Growing—from its origin in the idea that Dr. Seuss’s “useless” waiting place was actually anything but, to the five iterations it took before it could finally be held in someone’s hands. She shares why it became a coloring flip book (because publishers didn’t get it and self-printing cost $10,000), how QR codes saved the project, and why she now believes the decade of waiting wasn’t delay; it was formation.
“Everything I create is out of the overflow of the love that I’ve received. And when my reception of love was broken — my creativity was broken too.”
🔑 Three Key Takeaways
The Waiting Place Is Not Useless. Donna rejected Dr. Seuss’s characterization of the waiting place as useless, then spent a decade proving it wrong. Every chapter of Growing required her to actually live through the season she was writing about. The hidden years were the content.
Misplaced Love Stifles Creativity. During COVID, Donna experienced a personal revival centered on one realization: she was receiving love from people who didn’t have the capacity to give it. Reorienting her loves: putting God first and right-sizing everything else gave her a new capacity to create.
Your Market May Not Exist Yet. Create Anyway. From QR codes that didn’t exist when she first imagined Growing to Canva, which made her book possible years later, Donna’s story is a reminder that technology and audience often catch up. Your job is to keep making.
Something Unexpected
Donna wrote a Hallmark movie song in 40 minutes in a parking lot, while waiting to pick up her son from boxing. She had just prayed over her journal, asking God to let her take a swing at something she’d always dreamed of. The song went to the top of Hallmark’s list, and it was eventually performed by two Broadway stars: the actress who played Glinda and the actor who played Fiyero in Wicked.
Listen to the Full Episode For:
* The full story of Growing — ten years, five iterations, one coloring flip book
* Why Donna called out The Giving Tree for codependency
* What resilience actually looks like in the creative “cave” — and why she’s grateful for it
* The Mercy Me bus story — self-promotion, humility, and the lesson she learned the hard way
Resources
* Growing by Donna Stuart — on YouTube
* Instagram: @donnastuart
* Anonymous: Jesus in His Hidden Years by Alicia Britt Cholé
* The Critical Journey by Janet O. Hagberg & Robert A. Guelich
Chapters
00:00 - Welcome and introduction to Donna Stuart's creative journey00:20 - Donna’s nostalgic story about "A Smoky Mountain Christmas" and childhood influences01:45 - The significance of seasons and waiting in creative growth02:58 - Personal revival during COVID and the impact on her understanding of love and creativity07:14 - The power of naming emotions and key turning points in spiritual and artistic journeys09:19 - Reflection on long-term projects, patience, and trusting the process13:09 - Donna’s latest project: a 10-year journey and the metaphor of seeds in darkness15:34 - Insights from children’s books and the importance of waiting on the “Useless Place”17:00 - The poetic process of her upcoming book about the underground seasons of growth18:29 - The story of creating a song for a Hallmark movie and trusting divine timing21:22 - The surprise of God's orchestration in unexpected collaborations and opportunities23:00 - The analogy of building Cowboy Stadium and technological breakthroughs in creative work26:34 - Embracing the cave as a place of renewal and deepening faith during difficulty29:58 - The journey of songwriting and the mystery of creative catch and release31:53 - The story of a chance connection leading to a meaningful project and unexpected moments of blessing40:16 - Finding resilience in the cave, understanding the seasons of life, and divine patience44:03 - Elijah, Ahab, and the small whisper—trusting God in the cave's quiet moments45:52 - The metaphor of underground roots and the rise of creative potential47:52 - The art of sharing: natural, organic, and rooted in love—overcoming the discomfort of self-promotion51:15 - Personal stories of youthful ambition, mistakes, and growth toward humility55:33 - The beauty of divine stories in our creative journey—trusting God's storytelling from seed to harvest58:44 - The modern realities of music industry and trusting divine timing59:44 - The importance of just saying “yes” and embracing the open unknowns60:53 - How to follow Donna’s work and stay connected through Instagram and her website61:24 - Closing thoughts—keep making, keep sharing, and trusting in the seasons of your creative story
Kyle Worley joins the Make It. Share It. crew for a conversation about the creative process.
Kyle is the Lead Pastor of Mosaic Church in Richardson, Texas, the author of the recent books "Home with God: Union with Christ" and “Formed For Fellowship,” and a co-host on the Knowing Faith podcast.
Hear how a college philosophy professor transformed his thinking, why he starts every project with a yellow legal pad and Sharpie, and the surprising challenges of writing children's books.
From his disciplined Friday afternoon writing routine (complete with jujitsu and protein shakes) to discovering characters in his John the Baptist fiction project, Kyle offers practical insights into balancing multiple creative projects. He also gets refreshingly real about the challenges of "sharing" versus "making" – and why he'd rather write than promote any day.
Whether you're wrestling with creative discipline, wondering about the role of formal training, or navigating the overwhelming world of book promotion, this conversation offers both encouragement and practical wisdom for the creative journey.
Creative Resource Referenced On The Show: Writing Down The Bones
*Edit - Must include a link to pre-order Kyle’s children’s book: “The Dragon Slayer and His Super Special Suit,” after all that dragon talk at the end!
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Creativity and Friendship
05:32 Turning Points in Life and Creativity
08:00 The Creative Process: Writing and Sharing
16:58 The Journey of Writing: From Inspiration to Execution
25:41 Creative Community and Collaboration
27:50 The Balance of Making and Discussing Creativity
30:47 Navigating Feedback and Honest Conversations
30:50 Exploring Fiction Writing
42:00 The Challenges of Sharing Creative Work
On this episode of Make It. Share It. we explore Kyle Porter's fascinating journey as a writer and entrepreneur. From Oklahoma State fan site creator to CBS's top golf writer, Kyle reveals what inspired him to start his own independent newsletter, Normal Sport.
Kyle opens up about a profound turning point in his life—losing his daughter in 2015—and how this tragedy deepened his faith, shaping both his personal life and professional approach to writing. He discusses finding the perfect balance between humor and depth in his content, noting that he aims for "80-90% funny and lighthearted, then 10% taking you below the line."
The conversation examines the challenges of building a business from scratch, growing an audience authentically, and staying disciplined amid endless creative possibilities. Kyle also shares his upcoming projects, including some fun Normal Sport merch and a children's golf book.
Something Unexpected: Discover why Kyle believes the most powerful stories in golf come not from the winner's circle, but from those processing the pain of near-misses and defeat.
Resources Mentioned In The Show:
Here is the Tim Keller quote on suffering that Kyle references from Keller’s book Walking With God Through Pain and Suffering:
Suffering ‘plants the flag of truth within the fortress of a rebel soul.’
Here is a link to the book Joy In The Sorrow where you can find Kyle’s chapter on losing his daughter and many other poignant essays.
Listen to the full episode for:
* Kyle's insights on writing about sports without taking it too seriously
* The entrepreneurial challenges of growing a niche newsletter
* Why writing a children's book is surprisingly more difficult in some ways than writing for adults
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to the Podcast and Guest
01:51 Kyle Porter's Journey in Golf Writing
08:22 Turning Points in Life and Faith
12:36 The Birth of Normal Sport
16:37 The Creative Process of Writing
27:33 Balancing Humor and Depth in Communication
30:08 The Importance of Authenticity in Storytelling
33:25 The Value of Unconventional Paths in Careers
36:57 Strategies for Growing an Audience
43:03 Creating Meaningful Products for Families
48:52 The Art of Storytelling and Overcoming Obstacles
Join us for a powerful conversation with Greg Lathe about rediscovering creativity after failure and pursuing ambitious dreams.
From conducting orchestras to developing Broadway Junior musicals, Greg's journey reminds us that our greatest setbacks can become launching pads for unexpected opportunities.
✨ In this episode:
Finding creative courage after hitting rock bottom
How a one-violin orchestra program led to the Kennedy Center
The power of unlikely creative partnerships
Turning criticism into triumph (wait until you hear the "baby hippo" story!)
Connect with Greg:
Email: experienceredemptionproject@gmail.com
Instagram: @babyhippogram
Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Creativity and Courage
02:58 Greg's Journey Through Music and Identity
06:07 Overcoming Failure and Rediscovering Passion
09:03 The Power of Collaboration and Vulnerability
12:09 Creating a Musical: The Frederick Douglass Project
14:58 Navigating Success and Setting Realistic Expectations
18:05 The Importance of Identity and Community
20:51 Finding Light in Darkness: A Story of Redemption
23:57 The Role of Creativity in Healing
26:53 Lessons from the Journey: Embracing Imperfection
30:10 Conclusion: The Ongoing Journey of Creation
32:45 The Power of Blessings in Disguise
34:56 Community and Connection in Times of Struggle
35:47 The Journey of Redemption and Restoration
39:04 Facing Dreams and Vulnerability
44:07 The Unexpected Paths to Fulfillment
50:02 The Importance of Sharing Dreams
55:04 Creating Together: The We and Him Story
From Oscar snubs to 90s nostalgia, screenwriter Adam Davis (Just Friends) takes us on a wild ride through his creative journey. He talks about his new podcast "What Were They Thinking?" investigating questionable Oscar decisions, shares the story behind Ryan Reynolds' iconic "I Swear" scene, and reveals what it really takes to make it in Hollywood. Join Kent and Coop for a fascinating conversation about courage, creativity, and never giving up.
Stories From The Show
* Adam shares a Turning Point from a middle school writing contest that sent him to a career in screenwriting
* Adam shares how he went from making car wash parts in New Jersey to being a paid screenwriter
* How Adam created Atomic Entertainment with his friend Jerry Kolber to create genre-defining neuroscience and informational series like BRAIN GAMES and BRAINCHILD.
* Adam's newest podcast, "What Were They Thinking?” investigates past Oscar decisions and behind-the-scenes stories with co-host Bruce Vilanch, a writer for many Oscar shows over the years.
* Adam shares a couple of surprising behind-the-scenes stories about actors and the Oscars from the podcast
* The real story behind Ryan Reynolds singing "I Swear" in the fat suit for the opening of the movie “Just Friends.”
Questions We Explore
* How can creatives keep going in the face of frequent rejection and projects not getting made?
* What lessons can be applied from the business world, like building strong relationships, to the creative process?
* How important is it for artists to have a unique, searchable name to stand out in a crowded field?
* Should you keep pitching and revising a rejected screenplay or move on to the next project?
Chapters
04:14 Turning Points in Writing
07:09 The Importance of Creative Exercises
09:56 Navigating Rewrites and Collaborations
12:56 The Birth of Atomic Entertainment
15:57 Resilience in the Face of Rejection
19:08 The Journey To Making Just Friends
21:42 The Oscars: What Were They Thinking?
24:46 Creating the Podcast: A New Venture
29:04 The Oscars: A Deep Dive into Nominations and Winners
31:42 The Evolution of the Academy Awards
33:24 The Importance of Branding and Marketing in Film
37:52 The Making of Just Friends and Working With Ryan Reynolds
42:09 Behind the Scenes: Oscar Stories and Anecdotes
It's time to get honest about our challenges with making and sharing on this episode.
Stories
* Lauren shares a story about vulnerability from a recent public speaking event and how it led to deeper connections with God and others
* Coop talks about finding space to create with his new Mega Desk invention (pic below)
* Kent gives thoughts about the effects of award shows on creativity and shares a fascinating story about how the talent agency CAA crafted the career arc of a major star after only one movie
* And more, including creativity in parenting, why it’s essential to apply your creativity to every domain of life, and what we can learn from funeral homes! (true story)
Questions
* What does it really mean to be vulnerable in public speaking?
* How do we craft questions that spark meaningful conversations?
* Can personal stories be both our greatest strength and weakness?
* How do we balance the pressure to perform with the need for authentic expression?
* We'll also examine the impact of audience expectations - do they fuel our creativity or stifle it?
* What happens when we lose sight of our childlike wonder? Can we reclaim it, and should we?
Mega Desk in action
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Overview of Creative Challenges
01:28 Exploring Podcasting Roadblocks
05:51 The Art of Questioning in Interviews
09:38 Personal Stories and Their Impact on Creativity
12:05 Vulnerability in Public Speaking
19:14 Creative Expression Beyond Traditional Outlets
29:13 Navigating Audience Expectations and Creative Freedom
31:10 The Role and Impact of Award Shows
36:30 Creative Spaces and Personal Roadblocks
43:00 Childlike Wonder in Creativity
51:32 The Art of Originality and Inspiration
We loved having Grady Spencer from Grady Spencer and The Work on the latest episode of Make It. Share It.
🎧 5 Keys You'll Learn:
1. Authentic Creativity: Discover why staying true to your unique sound is more important than ever in today’s music landscape.
2. DIY Production: Learn how Grady and his band are taking control of their music production, proving that you don’t need a big studio to create high-quality music.
3. Engaging with Fans: Understand the importance of building and maintaining a strong connection with your audience.
4. Financial Savvy: Grady shares valuable insights on the financial side of being a musician, from smart spending to managing revenue streams.
5. Adapting to Change: Hear how Grady and his band adapt to new trends and technologies, staying flexible in a rapidly evolving industry.
🤩 Fun Fact from the Episode:
Did you know Grady's favorite movie to watch with his kids is "Sing"? It's a household favorite and a perfect blend of great music and fun animation.
🤔 Something Unexpected:
We talk about Dan Blank’s recent post “To Be Seen As A Writer Or Artist” when discussing the difficulties of writing, recording, and distributing indie music which is based on one of the best scenes of The Office:
🎤 Outro:
This episode is not just for musicians, but for anyone who loves music and appreciates the dedication and creativity it takes to bring a song to life.
Links and Resources:
* Follow Grady Spencer and the Work on social media: @GSandtheWork
* Visit Grady Spencer’s official website: gradyspencer.com
* Listen to the band’s latest single “New Dress” on all streaming platforms
Love the episode? Leave us a review and let us know what you think! Your feedback keeps us going. 🚀
Chapters
00:00 Introduction and Mutual Connections
03:02 Personal Story and Music Industry Challenges
08:06 Turning Point: New Perspective on Music and Creativity
13:58 In-House Recording and Collaborative Songwriting
36:17 Navigating the Music Industry Challenges
46:37 Learning From The Office: Pam’s Art Show
We all need a guide to help us make things and share them, but it can be hard to ask for help or even where to start.
Our goal with this episode is to talk through our individual experiences with creative guides in hopes that it helps you find the right guide at the right time.
And…incorporate Rick Rubin (as usual), Milli Vanilli (first time), Jon Acuff (also first time), and the movie Ratatouille.
Rick Rubin 60 Minutes Interview
Duffer Brothers Master Class
https://www.masterclass.com/classes/the-duffer-brothers-teach-developing-an-original-tv-series
Jon Acuff “Finish”
https://www.amazon.com/Finish-Give-Yourself-Gift-Done/dp/1591847621
Chapters
00:00 Introduction
01:59 Discussion on Milli Vanilli
06:12 Guides and Mentors
07:14 Coop's Experience with Guides and Mentors
14:27 Lauren's Experience with Guides and Mentors
21:24 Understanding Your Inner Critic
21:59 The Power of Collaboration in Overcoming Perfectionism
23:00 The Role of Collaboration in Songwriting
24:20 The Artist and the Critic: Ratatouille
25:07 The Importance of Community in Creativity
27:25 The Journey of Creativity: From Bad Ideas to Masterpieces
28:10 The Role of Guides in the Creative Process
29:27 The Importance of Routine in Creativity
30:08 The Power of Persistence in Creativity
36:02 Teaching Songwriting to the Next Generation
39:55 The Power of Stream of Consciousness Writing
41:41 Closing Thoughts on Creativity and Guides
Writer, Actor, and Producer Jake McEntire joins the show to discuss the decade-long journey of writing and producing the film RUN THE RACE as it nears its 5-year anniversary.
Jake's love of filmmaking started when he was young, watching the power of a beautiful story unfold on a screen, giving hope and joy to his family in difficult times. He started working on a script in college that snowballed into a remarkable rollercoaster ride that led to making a movie with Tim Tebow, walking the red carpet, and more.
But what happened next may surprise you. Jake shares about an unexpected dark night of the soul after the credits rolled and how he has navigated the aftermath of achieving a lifelong goal.
This episode hits on persevering to fulfill a calling, the essential role of a community in creating, the power of imitating masters of the craft, and the challenges you confront after you've realized a dream.
Links From The Show:
Rising Light Ridge - Tim Tebow Foundation
00:03 Introduction and Welcome
00:46 Guest Introduction: Jake McEntire
01:42 What Movie Scene Would You Choose To Relive?
04:10 Jake's Turning Point
08:08 Origins of 'Run the Race'
10:26 Challenges in Making 'Run the Race'
22:02 Pivotal Meeting with Tim Tebow
24:40 Reflections on the Journey
26:43 The Calling of Creativity
27:14 The Race of Life and the Power of Community
29:00 The Journey of Making a Film
30:03 The Challenges of Film Distribution
30:47 The Unexpected Costs of Sharing a Film
34:10 The Joy and Struggles of Film Success
35:18 The Aftermath of Achieving a Dream
38:07 The Reality of Creative Success
41:04 Creative Projects On The Horizon
51:08 The Struggles of Balancing Creativity and Life
53:57 The Power of Perseverance in Creativity
We are thrilled to have Matt Brown as our guest to talk about his latest project: The Timekeeper. Matt wears many hats as a writer, creative director, and strategist. As he humorously notes in his bio, he's had a diverse career spanning startups, agencies, and Fortune 500 companies, with the unique distinction of never having started a startup that's been acquired by a Fortune 500 company.
During our conversation with Matt, we delve into various aspects of his life and work:
* Prioritizing Friendship Over Competition: Matt shares a pivotal moment from his high school days when he made the decision to prioritize friendship over competitive sports. This decision had a profound impact on his life, and we explore how it shaped him.
* "The Timekeeper" Project: We take an in-depth look at Matt's latest project, "The Timekeeper." It’s a fascinating blend of an online event experience and a horror podcast. Matt shares the creative process behind it, the challenges of bringing such a unique concept to life, and the inspiration that drove him to create it.
* Navigating the Knowledge Gap: Matt discusses the hurdles he faced in bridging the knowledge gap in a rapidly evolving digital landscape.
* The Power of Adaptability: We emphasize the importance of maintaining an adaptive mindset in the face of technological changes. Matt shares insights into staying relevant and thriving in an ever-changing creative landscape.
* Applying Gravity To Marketing: Matt elaborates on strategically positioning one's work to create a gravity-like pull, attracting an audience to the content's narrative. He provides valuable tips on how creators can make their work more compelling and engaging.
Resources From The Show:
Timecode Chapters:
00:40 Introduction and Guest Welcome
01:10 Getting to Know Matt Brown
02:15 Holiday Traditions and Memories
06:20 Turning Points and Life Decisions
16:45 The Concept of Timekeeper
23:05 Challenges in Creating Timekeeper
26:07 Breaking into the Oil Business: A Personal Journey
26:37 The Power of Personal Ability in Job Interviews
26:53 Drawing Parallels: Oil Business and Music
27:32 Overcoming Fear of the Unknown: A Key to Success
28:24 The Importance of Asking Questions and Seeking Help
28:49 Avoiding the Masterpiece Mentality: The Art of Moving On
35:37 The Challenge of Sharing in the Digital Age
39:44 The Art of Marketing in the Modern World
41:24 The Gravity of Narrative and Storytelling in Marketing
47:43 Final Thoughts and Reflections