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    LO AND ORDER

    LO AND ORDER dives into the critical issues impacting law enforcement professionals and the communities they protect. Hosted by Lolita Harper, we provide insightful discussions on topics that matter most to our public safety members, offering a behind-the-scenes look at the challenges and triumphs of those who serve.

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    Episode 46 | Serving with Strength: Leadership, Wellness & Purpose with Alisha Rosa May 01, 2026
    Show notes

    SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with SEBA President and San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Detective Alisha Rosa, a leader defined by compassion, strength, and an unwavering commitment to the people behind the badge.

    From her early days as a custody specialist to patrol, promotion, and ultimately stepping into the role of SEBA President, Rosa shares a career built on experience at every level of the department. She opens up about the responsibility of leading through change, the importance of staying member-centric, and what it truly means to advocate for those doing the job day in and day out .

    This conversation goes beyond leadership. It’s about balance. Rosa dives into the critical role of physical and mental wellness in law enforcement, the toll the job can take, and why creating space for real conversations, accountability, and support is no longer optional. It’s essential.

    From fighting for members at the state level to building stronger connections within the ranks, Rosa brings a clear message: leadership isn’t about position, it’s about service.

    Full episode available on Apple Podcasts & Spotify

    Watch the full video on YouTube: @sebasbcounty

    Episode Highlights

    00:00 – Three Words That Define Leadership
    Adventurous, strong, and compassionate, Alisha Rosa shares the traits that shape her leadership style.

    04:30 – From Custody to Command
    Her journey through the department and the experiences that built her perspective.

    10:15 – Why She Got Involved with SEBA
    A personal experience that drove her passion for representation and protecting others.

    18:40 – Stepping Into the Presidency
    Leadership, succession, and carrying forward a legacy while forging her own path.

    25:20 – What “Wellness” Really Means
    Breaking down physical fitness, mental health, and why both are critical to survival on and off the job.

    33:10 – The Mental Toll of the Job
    Compassion fatigue, personal struggles, and the importance of having the right outlets.

    41:50 – Creating a Culture of Support
    Why checking in on your partners matters more than ever and how small actions can save lives.

    49:30 – Member-Centric Leadership
    What it means to truly represent the people behind the badge and why that’s her top priority.

    57:00 – Fighting for Law Enforcement
    Navigating legislation like AB 1383, politics, and advocating for policies that actually support public safety.

    01:05:40 – Strength and Softness
    How being both strong and compassionate makes better deputies and better leaders.

    01:13:20 – The Power of Relationships
    Why connection, trust, and communication are the foundation of a strong department.

    01:21:00 – Pride in the Profession
    Rosa reflects on what makes San Bernardino County unique and why she’s proud to represent it.


    Episode 45 | The Pivot: Identity, Leadership & Life Beyond the Badge with James Snow Mar 03, 2026
    Show notes

    SEBA Chief Executive Officer Lolita Harper sits down with retired San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Sergeant James Snow—woodworker, mentor, and author of The Pivot: A Guide to Moving Forward When the Mission Changes. After a 28½-year career spanning patrol, narcotics, SWAT, traffic, and academy leadership, Snow reflects on what happens when the mission changes and who you are when the badge comes off.

    From burnout and over-identification with the job to leadership, culture, and accountability, Snow speaks candidly about the warning signs officers often ignore. He shares how trauma accumulates over time, why excellence without balance can cost you your family, and how failing to build a life outside the profession can leave you lost after retirement.

    More than a retirement conversation, this episode is about identity. It’s about taking care of your people, setting boundaries, asking for help when you need it, and remembering that what you do is not who you are.

    To learn more about James Snow, visit: https://snow-woodworks.com/

    Click here to learn more about The Pivot: A Guide to Moving Forward When the Mission Changes.

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    Episode Highlights

    00:00 – What Is “The Pivot”?
    James explains how a conversation with his daughter sparked the concept behind his book—and what it means to shift direction when the mission changes.

    06:30 – A Career That Defined Him
    From patrol to SWAT to academy leadership, Snow reflects on the weight and pride of a full career in law enforcement.

    12:40 – When the Job Becomes Your Identity
    The dangers of over-identifying with the badge—and the red flags that signal burnout.

    20:15 – Excellence vs. Balance
    Why being the first in and last out isn’t always a badge of honor—and how true excellence requires boundaries.

    28:50 – “Be Your Brother’s Keeper”
    Peer accountability, calling out red flags, and why leadership isn’t just about rank.

    36:30 – Culture, Trust & Speaking Last
    How leaders can build trust by listening first—and why culture is shaped in small daily decisions.

    44:10 – Trauma Doesn’t Just Disappear
    The cumulative weight of the job and the unhealthy coping mechanisms officers often normalize.

    52:45 – The Night Everything Caught Up
    James opens up about hitting a breaking point—and the courage it took to ask for help.

    01:00:20 – Healthy Coping & Creative Outlets
    Woodworking, music, and why having something outside the job isn’t optional—it’s survival.

    01:08:40 – Family Pays a Price
    The hidden toll the profession takes at home—and the importance of intentional repair.

    01:16:15 – Asking for Help Isn’t Weakness
    Why strength sometimes looks like vulnerability—and how culture must evolve.

    01:23:00 – What Will Your Legacy Be?
    Snow leaves listeners with a final challenge: When the badge is gone, who are you?


    Episode 44 | One Percent Better: Human Performance in Law Enforcement with Nick Tavoukjian Jan 28, 2026
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    SEBA Chief Executive Officer Lolita Harper sits down with Nick Tavoukjian, a human performance specialist and current Athletic Trainer embedded at Santa Ana PD through O2X. With decades of experience in injury prevention and performance optimization, Nick breaks down what it really takes to keep law enforcement officers healthy, mobile, and mission-ready.

    From pre-academy recruits to 20-year veterans, Nick shares how small, individualized changes—backed by science—can drastically improve career longevity and wellness outcomes. He offers real-world insights into injury patterns, the tactical demands of duty belts and patrol cars, and the gap between rehab and real-world readiness.

    More than just stretches and sets, this episode is about building a culture of proactive care—one rep, one shift, and one percent better at a time.

    Full episode available on Apple Podcasts & Spotify
    Watch the full video on YouTube: @sebasbcounty

    To learn more about O2X, visit: https://www.o2x.com

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    Episode Highlights

    00:00 – From Wounded Warriors to Santa Ana PD
    Nick introduces his background working with Marines and his current role supporting sworn and civilian law enforcement professionals.

    05:45 – Most Common Injuries
    Low back pain, hip stiffness, and chronic overuse—Nick explains the root causes and how tactical gear impacts movement and health.

    11:30 – Not Just for Sworn
    Why non-sworn personnel benefit from the same injury prevention and performance support—and how it reduces long-term workers' comp claims.

    15:50 – Performance Starts With Movement
    How joint mobility, strength, and posture contribute to pain—and how even a few targeted adjustments can prevent injury.

    22:00 – Proactive Culture Change
    Nick’s work with pre-academy recruits introduces strength and conditioning before they even hit the academy floor.

    28:40 – Reconditioning After Injury
    What happens after rehab? Nick fills the critical gap between being cleared and being truly ready for duty.

    35:10 – The Lifecycle of a Deputy
    From academy to retirement, Nick shares how needs shift at each phase—and what older personnel can do now to protect their future.

    41:50 – Tactical Wellness vs. Traditional Wellness
    Why public safety requires a different approach to fitness, mental resilience, and recovery—and how embedded professionals are changing the game.

    48:30 – Addressing Trust and Privacy
    How Nick builds relationships with officers, earns trust, and creates space for vulnerability without fear of repercussions.

    54:00 – Fitness, Fads, and Foundations
    Nick discusses the value of programming, goal setting, and finding balance between mobility, strength, and performance.

    01:00:40 – Rebuilding Culture from the Ground Up
    From hydration and sleep to mental readiness and burnout—why performance is more than just reps in the gym.

    01:07:20 – One Percent Better, Every Day
    Nick closes with simple, actionable advice: don’t wait for injury. Start small, reach out, and build toward longevity—on duty and off.


    Episode 43 | Stronger Than Ever: Deputy Caroline Norat on Jiu-Jitsu, Discipline & Transformation Dec 01, 2025
    Show notes

    SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Deputy Caroline Norat—a 20-year law enforcement veteran and world-class jiu-jitsu athlete who reshaped her life through discipline, consistency, and a deep love for the sport

    What started as a personal challenge quickly evolved into a lifestyle. Jiu-jitsu became a source of strength, confidence, and community—fueling Caroline’s success as both a decorated competitor and department instructor. Today, she helps fellow deputies build skills and resilience through hands-on training and programs that empower from the ground up.

    You can find Caroline on Instagram at @carloine.norat

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    Episode Highlights

    00:00 – Two Decades of Service
    Caroline reflects on 20 years in law enforcement and how she and Lolita first met in the academy.

    03:20 – Discovering Jiu-Jitsu
    How a coworker’s suggestion led her to walk into a Redlands academy—and why the energy, community, and art of the sport instantly drew her in.

    07:45 – Technique Over Strength
    Caroline breaks down the humbling early lessons of jiu-jitsu, letting go of ego, and learning that skill and patience matter far more than size or strength.

    12:10 – The First Big Win
    Her first major competition at white belt, the preparation behind it, and the moment she realized she had truly earned her place on the podium.

    22:50 – How Training Built Confidence
    The physical and mental shifts she experienced as her training became consistent, structured, and goal-driven.

    27:40 – Bringing Jiu-Jitsu to the Department
    How Caroline helped launch a POST-certified jiu-jitsu program for deputies, including women-only training opportunities to build comfort and confidence.

    33:30 – Foundational Techniques for the Field
    Why every deputy should know how to fall safely, get up with stability, create space, and flow into multiple techniques depending on body type and circumstance.

    39:20 – Overcoming Intimidation
    Advice for deputies—especially women—who want to try jiu-jitsu but feel nervous, unsure, or intimidated by stepping onto the mat for the first time.

    44:50 – Training, Family, and Community
    How the academy has become a second family, creating a culture of support, encouragement, and shared growth.

    49:10 – The Competitive Mindset
    Caroline explains the mental preparation behind competition: goal-setting, consistency, repetition, and trusting in muscle memory when exhaustion hits.

    55:30 – The Instructor Perspective
    Why watching her students succeed—in training and out in the field—is one of the most rewarding parts of her journey.

    01:00:15 – Confidence Reduces Conflict
    How the calmer, more confident you become through training, the less likely you are to need to use force in the field.

    01:06:50 – The Belt Journey
    From white belt to purple—Caroline talks about impostor syndrome, gaining comfort in fundamentals, and aspiring to earn her brown belt.

    01:12:20 – A Love Story on the Mats
    How jiu-jitsu introduced her to her husband, a world champion and master instructor, and how their shared discipline and passion fuel both their relationship and training.

    01:18:40 – A Lifelong Art
    Why jiu-jitsu is a true lifestyle—one built on longevity, growth, and continuous learning, regardless of age or starting point.


    Episode 42 | Leading with Love: Sgt. Ian “Goldie” Golditch on Fitness, Leadership & Finding Purpose Oct 23, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Sgt. Ian “Goldie” Golditch—a Navy veteran, respected San Bernardino County Sheriff’s Sergeant, and owner of Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp—for a powerful, wide-ranging conversation on leadership, fitness, humility, and what it means to truly serve.

    From boot camp at age 30 to leading with empathy in uniform, Goldie shares the origin of his work ethic, how he overcomes setbacks, and why he believes physical discipline creates emotional strength. With heart and humor, he breaks down how fitness changed his life and why he refuses to lead with fear.

    To learn more about Goldie, follow him on Instagram at @goldieactual or at Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp

    Episode Highlights:

    00:00 – Intro: Who is “Goldie”?
    Lolita introduces Sgt. Ian Golditch and his relentless reputation for hard work and positivity.

    02:15 – The Origin of Discipline
    From Navy boot camp at 30 to toilet-cleaning pride, Goldie shares how his mindset was forged.

    07:40 – Neck Injury & Course Correction
    A football injury reroutes his life—and leads him to law enforcement.

    12:30 – Becoming the Sergeant He Never Had
    How good and bad leaders shaped his own leadership philosophy.

    19:15 – Trust, Presence & Loyalty
    Goldie explains how real leadership is built through presence—not rank.

    24:40 – Fitness as a Mission
    Why he started Redlands Fit Body Boot Camp—and how it helps him serve even beyond the badge.

    30:00 – Food Addiction, Cinnabon & Discipline
    A brutally honest look at nutrition, cravings, and why it's not about being extreme—it’s about being committed.

    36:10 – Peanut Butter & Jelly Leadership
    Creative thinking, trust in junior deputies, and why different methods still get the job done.

    42:00 – Mistakes, Grace & Letting People Fail Forward
    Goldie breaks down how he creates an environment where deputies feel safe to grow and fail.

    48:20 – Kids, Cadets & the Next Generation
    Why investing in new recruits—and even those not yet hired—is the foundation of the future.

    54:00 – Leading with Love
    Why empathy, grace, and humility are the true marks of strength—not ego or fear.

    01:00:10 – Fitness, Motivation & Getting Uncomfortable
    Burpees, fasting, and the power of doing hard things to build a stronger life.

    01:07:30 – Three Nuggets of Wisdom
    Seeds of success, embracing the suck, and leading with your heart—even if it’s not always understood.

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    Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/

    SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946

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    Episode 41 | Defending Those Who Serve: Michael Schwartz on Protecting Law Enforcement Jun 25, 2025
    Show notes

    In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with renowned labor and defense attorney Michael Schwartz—one of the most respected legal advocates for law enforcement officers across California. Together, they dive deep into due process, legal misconceptions, and the challenges peace officers face in today’s rapidly shifting media landscape.

    Schwartz reflects on his early days as a public defender, what led him to defend law enforcement, and how his unwavering commitment to the Constitution drives his work. They also unpack the rise of politically motivated prosecutions, the dangers of rushed statements, and why having the right legal representation can make all the difference when a split-second decision is scrutinized for years to come.

    From officer-involved shootings to public perception, this is an unfiltered look at the legal system through the eyes of one of its fiercest defenders.

    To learn more about Michael Schwartz, visit: https://www.themichaelschwartzfirm.com/criminal-law/

    Topics Covered:

    02:30 – From Defender to Defender
    Schwartz shares his journey from public defender to representing law enforcement.

    06:15 – Due Process and Why It Matters
    He breaks down the difference between defending the guilty vs. the innocent and the importance of forcing the government to prove its case.

    11:40 – Today’s Law Enforcement
    Discussion about media bias, social narratives, and the shift in public trust toward officers.

    18:05 – The Realities of Use of Force
    Schwartz explains the legal and practical differences in use-of-force encounters for officers.

    24:00 – The Power of Perception and Misconception
    A conversation on non-compliance, misinformation, and the expectation that all force can be de-escalated.

    31:10 – Legal Advice and Representation
    Why officers must have representation immediately after a critical incident—and what not to do.

    38:25 – Public Safety Statements and Legal Risk
    Schwartz warns against rushed or informal statements and shares real-world examples where they backfired.

    45:00 – DOJ Investigations and Lack of Experience
    The challenges of newer DOJ protocols and the risk of being scrutinized by inexperienced investigators.

    52:00 – The Cost of Not Calling
    A case where an officer wisely withheld a statement—resulting in acquittal and a new career path.

    56:30 – Trust Your Attorney
    Final advice to law enforcement: representation isn’t a threat—it’s protection.

    59:00 – Closing Reflections
    Lolita Harper and Schwartz discuss the future of the profession and why SEBA exists.

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    SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946.

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    Episode 40 | From the Badge to the Ballot: Chad Bianco’s Fight for California May 21, 2025
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    In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with Riverside County Sheriff—and now California gubernatorial candidate—Chad Bianco for a wide-ranging and deeply personal conversation.

    From his early days in undercover narcotics to leading one of California’s largest sheriff’s departments, Bianco shares why he’s trading in a “perfect job” to run for governor. With honesty, grit, and candor, he opens up about leadership, government accountability, and the cost of political apathy—both personal and statewide.

    Together, they explore California’s growing exodus, the waste behind the state’s homelessness crisis, and what real reform would look like in Sacramento—from repealing SB 54 to eliminating the state income tax.

    Whether you agree with him or not, one thing’s certain: Bianco isn’t in this for the title—he’s in it for the people.

    To learn more about the Riverside County Sheriff’s Office, visit: riversidesheriff.org

    To learn more about Sheriff Bianco’s gubernatorial campaign, visit: biancoforgovernor.com

    Topics Covered:

    05:00 – From Sheriff to Candidate
    Bianco reflects on his career, core values, and why he’s stepping up to run for governor.

    14:30 – Accountability in Law Enforcement and Politics
    How internal affairs shaped his leadership style—and why Sacramento lacks that same accountability.

    25:15 – California’s Exodus and Economic Crisis
    A candid look at rising costs, broken infrastructure, and his bold plan to eliminate the state income tax.

    35:50 – Tackling Homelessness and Government Waste
    Why $24 billion later, the system is worse—and how to fix it with transparency and enforcement.

    49:00 – The Role of Leadership
    Bianco’s philosophy on leading people, not just departments—and what Sacramento needs now.

    1:02:00 – Repealing SB 54 and Protecting Communities
    Why sanctuary policies backfire, and how immigration reform could be both humane and effective.

    1:15:00 – Campaigns, Smear Tactics, and Staying Grounded
    Bianco addresses misinformation, attack ads, and staying true to his values in the spotlight.

    1:27:00 – Passion, Grief, and the Law Enforcement Memorial
    An emotional reflection on leadership during tragedy—and why that moment changed him forever.

    1:41:00 – A Message to Voters
    His final appeal: Why character still matters, and how he hopes to serve all Californians, not just a party.

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    Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/

    SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946

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    Episode 39 | Police Chief Darren Goodman on the Debate Over Police Education Apr 23, 2025
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    In this episode of Lo and Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper sits down with San Bernardino Police Chief Darren Goodman to unpack the heated debate surrounding education mandates in law enforcement.

    From his unique journey through USC, Harvard, and beyond, Chief Goodman shares why a college degree shouldn’t be the golden ticket into policing—and how Sacramento’s top-down policies are missing the mark.

    Together, they explore the real-world consequences of a "one-size-fits-all" academic requirement, the dangers of legislating from flawed premises, and how removing life experience from the badge equation could cost communities far more than politicians realize.

    Learn More about the San Bernardino Police Department: https://www.sbcity.org/412/Police-Department

    Follow Police Chief Darren Goodman: https://x.com/SBPD_CHIEF

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    Topics Covered:

    07:45 – Education vs. Experience in Policing
    Why checking the "degree box" isn’t a silver bullet—and how real-world experience often matters more.

    11:40 – Sacramento’s Modern Policing Bill
    A deep dive into the legislation’s origins, its flawed premise post-George Floyd, and the political virtue-signaling behind it.

    18:20 – The Problem with One-Size-Fits-All Mandates
    How requiring a degree could devastate recruitment, especially in underserved communities.

    23:50 – Diversity Beyond Skin Color
    Why life experience, military service, and cultural familiarity matter more than classroom credentials.

    28:30 – What Makes a Great Cop
    Chief Goodman’s must-haves: heart, grit, public service commitment—and why a degree can’t teach those.

    33:00 – Political Disconnect in Sacramento
    How state leaders are legislating in a vacuum, ignoring the people who actually keep streets safe.

    38:40 – The Real Cost of Virtue Signaling
    Personal stories from San Bernardino: what the community loses when good candidates are locked out by mandates.

    46:10 – Recruitment, Retention, and California's Exodus
    Why even military vets and seasoned professionals are leaving the profession—or the state altogether.

    52:00 – Human Trafficking Hypocrisy & Misguided Reforms
    A brutal look at how legislation aimed at "equity" is inadvertently enabling exploitation.

    57:30 – Public Involvement and Civic Action
    Chief Goodman’s call to action: how everyday citizens can stop reckless policymaking before it’s too late.

    1:02:00 – Closing Thoughts
    Why heart will always beat a diploma—and the danger of punishing police instead of empowering them.

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    Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/

    SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946

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    Episode 38 | Justice in Motion: A Candid Conversation with District Attorney Jason Anderson Mar 26, 2025
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    In this powerful discussion, San Bernardino County District Attorney Jason Anderson sits down with SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper to unpack the complexities of the justice system, the challenges of criminal legislation, and how law enforcement and prosecutors can work together to create safer communities.

    From the impact of Prop 36 to the future of crime prevention, this is a must-watch conversation for anyone invested in public safety, justice, and the rule of law.

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    Podcast Overview:

    [02:30] - What is Prop 36?
    Prop 36 addresses gaps left by Prop 47, aiming to reduce drug-related crime and homelessness.

    [08:15] - How Prop 36 Works
    Drug offenses can now be charged as felonies, but offenders can avoid jail by completing rehab.

    [12:30] - Addressing Theft & Serial Offenders Prop 36 allows repeat theft offenders to face felony charges, helping stop serial shoplifters.

    [18:00] - Impact of Prop 47 & 57
    Prop 47 & 57 led to rising theft, addiction, and homelessness, frustrating law enforcement.

    [24:45] - Past Drug Court Success
    Before Prop 47, San Bernardino led the nation in drug courts, helping hundreds overcome addiction.

    [30:10] - Prop 36 & Retail Theft
    Retailers like Target & Home Depot supported Prop 36 to combat rising shoplifting crimes.

    [35:55] - Legislative Challenges
    DAs and police were excluded from policy discussions, leading to ineffective crime laws.

    [42:20] - Accountability & Rehabilitation
    Prop 36 ensures rehabilitation is a choice, not a loophole, by requiring personal accountability.

    [48:15] - The Death Penalty Debate
    California voters continue to support the death penalty, but politics undermines enforcement.

    [55:40] - Homelessness & Addiction
    Homelessness is often tied to addiction, not just housing issues. Prop 36 aims to break this cycle.

    [1:02:20] - Law Enforcement & Mental Health
    Many mental health crises stem from drug use. Programs like Laura’s Law help with intervention.

    [1:08:45] - Training for Prop 36
    New officers don’t remember pre-Prop 47 laws. DA’s office is training them on new enforcement.

    [1:15:10] - Measuring Success
    Success will be tracked by rehab completions, case dismissals, and crime reduction.

    [1:22:30] - Community Engagement
    DA Anderson teaches high school students about their legal rights and law enforcement roles.

    [1:30:45] - Final Thoughts
    Public safety is everyone’s responsibility. Prop 36 must be implemented fairly for real change.

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    To learn more about the San Bernardino County District Attorney's Office visit: https://sbcountyda.org/

    Learn more about the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association (SEBA): https://www.seba.com/

    SEBA is the Sheriff's Employees' Benefit Association proudly representing 4,000+ public safety officers in San Bernardino County since 1946

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    Episode 37 | The Gavin Newsom Flip-Flop Mar 12, 2025
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    The Brief: In this Lo & Order, SEBA Executive Director Lolita Harper dives into the ever-shifting political landscape, using Governor Gavin Newsom as a prime example of why politicians can’t always be trusted. Once a vocal supporter of defunding the police, Newsom has now done a complete 180—denouncing the movement he once championed. But was he ever really on board?

    Lolita pulls back the curtain on Sacramento politics, exposing how elected officials often say one thing in front of the cameras while admitting something entirely different behind closed doors. As Newsom eyes a bigger national stage, his policy pivots raise a critical question: Are our leaders guided by principles, or just chasing poll numbers?

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