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Listen To Sassy: Life In The 90s

From 1988-1994, Sassy was the coolest magazine going for Gen-X teens. Celebrate that golden time by joining Tara Ariano, Pamela Ribon and David T. Cole for a deep dive into every one of its 80 glorious issues and remember what it was like hanging out with Jane, Christina, Catherine, Karen, and the whole crew, learning What Now, What Next, and so much more!

Copyright: © 2021 Tara Ariano, Pamela Ribon and David T. Cole

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June 1990 Teen Life: Cowgirls, Aliens & Crabs Nov 28, 2023

Show notes

CW: sexual assault. We're cracking open the June 1990 issue and kicking off with a discussion of its Teen Life topics! After racing as fast as possible through "Boys Who Raped," we lighten up with a look at some of Texas's most impressive teen cowgirls, and another Kim banger -- this time on what might make you a bad friend. Sandra Tyler achieves Elizabeth Mosierian heights with her fiction piece, "Visiting My Father." Tooth brushing techniques, cracking knees, an Alien Nation alien, Stuff You Wrote going 5 for 5 with pure gold -- this episode's got it all!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

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🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

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JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is June 1990
🎧 Feature: Boys Who Raped
🎧 Feature: Why I Couldn’t Be A Cowgirl
🎧 Feature: How To Be A Bad Friend
🎧 Fiction: Visiting My Father
🎧 Body Talk
🎧 What He Said: Would You Change Your Appearance For A Girl?
🎧 It Happened To Me: Mother Was A Crack Addict
🎧 Help
🎧 Stuff You Wrote
🎧 Goodbye For Now
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

🏢 MacLaren Youth Correctional Facility

⚖️ We didn't get to this, but two queer youths are suing MacLaren, alleging harassment and abuse while they were in custody

💁‍♀️ SandraTyler.com

🔵 Blue Glass, from which "Visiting My Father" is excerpted, on AbeBooks.com

👽 Buck Francisco at Fandom.com

💍 Taube Lubart's wedding announcement at NYTimes.com

🧠 Taube L. Vallabha, Ph.D. on Neurotree.org

🫥 "Gone" by Taube Lubart Vallabha, Ph.D. at TBIHopeAndInspiration.com

🖍️ "Let's Color Again" at TheBloggess.com, featuring a comment by Taube Lubart Vallabha

📼 Tamar Coln on YouTube

🌴 The Again With This podcast on Patreon (where we're discussing Alyssa Milano in a Who's The Boss? Christmas episode)

🤔 The June 1990 quiz, "Rate Your Sassy Staff IQ"

May 1990 Slumber Party: Embarrassment, Temu & The Other Keanu Reeves Nov 14, 2023

Show notes

The May 1990 Sassy quiz invites us to Rate [Our] Embarrassability, almost as though they don't know the kinds of things we have disclosed on this podcast. And then, we're taking your calls, including some of YOUR embarrassing disclosures! What got up a listener's child's nose, and how did it get out? What are your phones recommending you buy, perhaps based on your listening to us? HOW MANY of you want to hit up your local Olive Garden with David T. Cole?! We cover all this and much much more in the May 1990 Slumber Party!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is May 1990
🎧 Quiz: Rate Your Embarrassability
🎧 From The Hotline
🎧 Goodbye For Now
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

🥛 Kids In The Hall "Whole Lotta Milka" sketch on YouTube
🐈 "Interactive Cat Toys For Creative Kittens: Launch Training, Mini Pompoms Games, Stretch Plush Ball & More!" on Temu

🔮 The The Extra Hot Great podcast on Patreon (where we are discussing Free Spirit) podcast on Patreon (where we are discussing Free Spirit)

May 1990 Fashion Etc.: Mixed Prints, Sweepstakes & Very Discolored Colors Oct 31, 2023

Show notes

We still have a little left to say about Johnny Depp -- he is our cover boy, after all -- but then we get into the fashion (etc.) of the May 1990 issue. The photos for a swimsuit story starring Lou Rawls's model daughter Louann all come out looking brown. Editorial on mixing prints gets mixed reviews. And the blue-green beauty story raises a lot more questions than it answers. We also cover Alice bands, harsh acne treatments, sunscreen, suntan oil, the slow death of Sassy Club, and much more! Put on your Artcarved class ring and get into it!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is May 1990
🎧 Fashion Feature: Beach Alert
🎧 Fashion Feature: In Prints
🎧 Fashion Feature: In Prints
🎧 About Face
🎧 Sassy Ads
🎧 Diary: We’re Not Home Right Now
🎧 Inside Out: The One That Got Away
🎧 Goodbye For Now
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

💿 The May 1990 mix tape on Spotify

🛹 Rising Son: The Legend Of Skateboarder Christian Hosoi on IMDb

💄 Louanna Rawls on LinkedIn

👄 Tara's review of Big Mouth S07

📝 Notes To Boys at RareBirdLit.com

May 1990 Pop Culture: Johnny Depp, Samantha Mathis & More Johnny Depp Oct 17, 2023

Show notes

We've had a lot of different feelings about Johnny Depp, the May 1990 cover boy, over the course of our lives, and while we might want to distance ourselves from the people we were in May 1990, when he was about as hot and sexy as he would ever be...we can't; we have to talk about him -- not only because there's a feature profile on him, but because he's all over the rest of the magazine too! His TV show, 21 Jump Street, comes up in What Now as the source material Dick Wolf's Nasty Boys is obviously ripping off! His new movie, Cry-Baby is reviewed in Watch It! Even his fiancée, Winona Ryder, comes up in the blurb on One To Watch Samantha Mathis! And then the profile itself is almost all just first-person quotes from Depp himself. It's a Deppth charge of complicated memories, and we do our best to sort through them in our latest Pop Culture episode!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is May 1990
🎧 What Now
🎧 Watch It
🎧 Listen Up
🎧 One To Watch
🎧 Feature: Johnny Depp From A To W
🎧 Goodbye For Now
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

💌 The 2023 Love stamp

🍆 Origins of the Love stamp at MysticStamp.com

💗 And at FastCompany

👮🏻‍♂️ Nasty Boys promo on YouTube

👮🏻‍♂️ Benjamin Bratt and Nia Peeples in a scene from Nasty Boys

👮🏻‍♂️ A full episode of Nasty Boys on YouTube

🛣️ Last Exit To Brooklyn on Prime Video

🦩 Miami Blues on Prime Video

🗺️ Crispin Glover and Uma Thurman in a scene from Where The Heart Is, on YouTube

📅 Crispin Glover and Henry Winkler in a scene from Happy Days

🌋 Joe Versus The Volcano on Tubi

🎭 "John Patrick Shanley on His Trio of Unhinged Rom-Coms" at Vulture

📸 HennyGarfunkel.com

✍️ Garfunkel's collection of autographed Polaroids

💪🏻 Johnny Depp photo showing the tattoos on his right arm

🥗 Tara's review of Frasier (2023) at Cracked.com

May 1990 Teen Life: Pets, Fishbowls & Tortured Moms Oct 03, 2023

Show notes

It's time to crack open a brand-new (33-year-old) issue of Sassy! A lovely profile of Cara Dunne, a blind Harvard student, is chased by the horror show of Karen's report on volunteering at a vet's office. Kim has the brilliant brainstorm of soliciting stories of her colleagues' teen cruelty to their moms, and THEN reaching out to said moms for comment. Christina goes to Hawaii to interview some world-class surfers about the sport. And the rest of the Teen Life topics are a rich tapestry too: we do a tight ten on the bizarre photo choice for Body Talk; critique the What He Said respondents on their stories of standing up dates; sit with the deep thoughts of Stuff You Wrote; and more! Call your mom, then listen!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
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🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is May 1990
🎧 Feature: Blue Is The Color Of The Grass
🎧 Feature: What Vets Do
🎧 Feature: How To Drive Your Mother Crazy
🎧 Fiction: One To Twenty-Six
🎧 Body Talk
🎧 Help
🎧 It Happened To Me: Presumably White Girl Discovers Some People Aren’t Wealthy
🎧 Stuff You Wrote
🎧 Goodbye For Now
🎧 Feature: We Take Surfers Seriously
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

📰 Cara Dunne-Yates's obituary in the Los Angeles Times

🪦 The Cara Dunne-Yates memorial in Snowmass Village, Colorado

🏄‍♀️ Pam Burridge on the Huntington Beach Surfing Walk Of Fame

👄 Generations: A Century Of Women Speak About Their Lives by Myriam Miedzian and Alisa Malinovich

💀 Renee K. (Kotche) Bachman's obituary

🤩 Tara's piece on Starstruck at Cracked.com

April 1990 Slumber Party: Movie Trivia, Nasal Mishaps & The Olive Garden Sep 19, 2023

Show notes

It's the April 1990 Slumber Party, which means we've gotten into our sleeping bags despite having had WAY too much Jolt Cola. After sharing our results in the Rate Your Movie Knowledge quiz, we're playing your 20+ calls, on subjects ranging from the sound of dot matrix printers, how Jason Priestley's cuteness defies pixelation, and what criteria you must meet to join Dave at The Olive Garden. All this and more in our latest loopy episode!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is April 1990
🎧 Quiz: Rate Your Movie Knowledge
🎧 From The Hotline
🎧 Goodbye For Now
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

🤭 "How We Executed The Perfect Prank Through Marketing" at SixthCityMarketing.com

🥩 Succulent Meatloaf

👃 Gabriella Kiss ring at Quadrum Gallery

🧋 NoseFrida's The Snotsucker at Target.com

😡 Tara's post about Drew Barrymore breaking the WGA strike by resuming production on her talk show, at Cracked.com

😭 "WGA Insists Drew Barrymore 'Should Not Be On The Air' During Strike; CBS Says It 'Will Be In Full Compliance With All Strike Rules'; 'ET' Star Offers Tearful Apology" at Deadline.com

✊ WGA Contract 2023

April 1990 Fashion Etc.: Tattoos, Wigs & Strawberry Frankenstein Sep 05, 2023

Show notes

The April 1990 issue knows exactly what you need to wear. Six essential pieces, half of which are actually visible in the fashion story! Tattoo prints and embroidery! Ballet slippers with gold shoelaces for some reason! WIGS! All this plus ads for Rit dye and a demented t-shirt, intern testimonials and world-class letters, and much much more in our latest Fashion Etc. episode!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
👀 Monthly watch-alongs of Sassy-era movies and TV specials
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is April 1990
🎧 Cover
🎧 Fashion Feature: Want You Need
🎧 Fashion Feature: Nice Girls Wear Tats
🎧 Fashion Feature: Bloomin’
🎧 Making It: New Shoes
🎧 Beauty Feature: Wig City
🎧 Then & Now: She Could Have Dyed
🎧 Sassy Ads
🎧 Diary: Intern Power
🎧 Say What
🎧 Inside Out: How A Story Becomes
🎧 Goodbye For Now
🎧 I Hate Them All
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

👖 Guess Factory Fantasia Flared Leggings

👕 "Vintage 1980s Beaded Jou Jou Oversize Sweatshirt" on Etsy

🥤 "Vintage Jou Jou jean jacket 1990s embroidered blue joujou denim coat button front soda bottle size M" on Etsy

🧥 "Vintage 1990's Betsey Johnson Tattoo Art Romper Playsuit" on Etsy

🖨️ "Betsey Johnson 90s tattoo print top and leggings set" on JamesVeloria.com

🌸 "Mother: The Rambler Zip Ankle Floral Jeans" at NeimanMarcus.com

👎 "The Self-Defeating Myth Of 'Pulling It Off'" at Nylon.com

👃 Bonne Bell friday! review at MakeupAlley.com

🧴 friday! for sale on eBay

🚪 The Door

🍝 "You Can Always Do an Italian Accent, It's Never Racist" at KnowYourMeme.com

🤣 Tara's list of 50 greatest sitcom pilots at Cracked

April 1990 Pop Culture: Milk, Deadheads & Jason Priestley Aug 22, 2023

Show notes

Is Tremors actually a better movie than its marketing would have you believe? Will new Young Guns make the Young Guns sequel more compelling than the original? Who exactly is ruining the scene outside Grateful Dead shows? And why didn't Jason Priestley talk to Christina -- surely Sister Kate couldn't be keeping him that busy? We answer all these questions and tons more you literally never could have anticipated in our latest pop culture episode!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
👀 Monthly watch-alongs of Sassy-era movies and TV specials
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is April 1990
🎧 What Now
🎧 Watch it
🎧 Listen Up
🎧 One To Watch
🎧 Feature: My Life As A Deadhead
🎧 Goodbye For Now
🎧 Their Milk Comes In Bags
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

🌶️ Red Hot Chili Peppers "Taste The Pain" video on YouTube

👁️ Robert Williams

🧙‍♀️ Hex

👶 "The New Kid In The Class" episode of the New Kids On The Block animated series

🥛 "The Milk Bag Pitcher" at AmiMagazine.com

✂️ Milk bag cutter

🛟 Unspecified episode of Normal Life on YouTube

🎶 The April 1990 mix tape

🪦 The Dead And Gone podcast

April 1990 Teen Life: Dangerous Questions, Dolphins & Discharge Aug 08, 2023

Show notes

The April 1990 issue may have fewer Teen Life features, but what they lack in number they make up for in discussion value. Mike counsels us on how not to talk to guys. A story on an anorexic girl basically leaves her out entirely. Christina is stunned to learn that dolphins...may not want to swim with humans? All this and more, from Gilda Marx to the family restaurant Dave is deprived from visiting, awaits you in our April 1990 Teen Life episode!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

🖼️ View select scans from this issue in this episode's Visual Aids

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
👀 Monthly watch-alongs of Sassy-era movies and TV specials
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 It Is April 1990
🎧 Feature: Five Things Never, Ever, To Ask A Guy
🎧 Feature: This Is What Anorexia Did To Our Family
🎧 Feature: Is It Right To Swim With Dolphins?
🎧 Body Talk
🎧 It Happened To Me: Plagiarist Got Caught
🎧 Help
🎧 What He Said: Could You Love Two Girls At The Same Time?
🎧 Stuff You Wrote
🎧 Goodbye For Now
🎧 Pamie's Doxx Corner
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

🐬 "Is swimming with dolphins a good idea?" at Science.org

🕳️ "A lonely dolphin's 'sexual behaviors' toward humans cause a French town to ban swimming" at WashingtonPost.com

🤔 "Is Swimming With Dolphins Ethical?" at ThePlanetEdit.com

😎 "From Orange Man-Tan to Today: History of the Sunless Tanning Industry" at ReviewThis.com

🧑‍⚕️ "NIOSH Training For Nurses on Shift Work and Long Work Hours" explaining sleep inertia at CDC.gov

🩱 GildaMarx.net

💰 Gilda Marx items for sale on eBay

📷 Gilda Marx on Instagram

😆 "The 18 Best Comedies From The 1980s That You Can Stream Right Now" at Cracked.com

✊ WGA Contract 2023

🍿 The April 1990 quiz: Rate Your Movie Knowledge

March 1990 Slumber Party: Butts, Teratomas & Your Self-Centeredness Jul 25, 2023

Show notes

The March 1990 quiz dares readers to "Rate Your Self-Centeredness," and we dropped everything to do a deep analysis on life's main characters: us! In fact, because the voicemailbox was a bit empty this time around -- maybe the heat wave fried your phones? -- that we were able to focus on our responses to the quiz for twice as long as we normally do! Then, we flipped over to your calls on topics including Buns Of Steel, a Sassy cameo in Christmas Vacation, how far back our lives on the internet actually exist, among many other concerns. Take a break from listening to your own inner monologue and listen to us instead!
QUICK LINKS

🗒 Full episode notes can be found on this episode's page on ListenToSassy.com

☎️ Call The Hotline! Leave your questions, comments and Sassy stories on the hotline at 720-SASSY-GO or record directly on our site

🐦 @ListenToSassy on Twitter

📷 @ListenToSassy on Instagram

🧑‍💻 Visit our website ListenToSassy.com

🛍️ Shop the LTS Store

JOIN THE LTS CLUB AND GET THE GOODIES

📖 Full cover-to-cover magazine PDFs
💬 Chat with us and your fellow listeners on Discord
🐣 Get episodes earlier than the general public
👀 Monthly watch-alongs of Sassy-era movies and TV specials
🚫 Ad free episodes with chapter markers
👚 Merch discounts and free stickers
🤩 Join the Listen To Sassy Club today!

TOPICS

🎧 Production Note
🎧 It Is March 1990
🎧 Quiz: Rate Your Self-Centeredness
🎧 From The Hotline
🎧 Goodbye For Now
NOTES

⚠️ Inline notes below may be truncated due to podcast feed character limits. Full notes are always on the episode page.

🎯 The March 1990 quiz: "Rate Your Self-Centeredness"

✍️ Tara's Praise Petey review at Cracked

📜 Pam is going to be on The Scriptnotes podcast

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