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    Lighter Darker: The ILM Podcast

    Welcome to Lighter Darker: The ILM Podcast, where we focus on the creative process of filmmaking and the art of visual storytelling. Co-hosted by Rob Bredow & Todd Vaziri, and produced by Jenny Ely, join us as we chat with top filmmakers, artists and innovators about their craft, careers, and the collaborative process of bringing stories to life.

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    011 - VFX Oscar Nominations Jan 28, 2025
    Show notes

    Todd and Rob break down the process of how films are selected for nomination in the Oscars' Best Visual Effects category. We discuss highlights from the five nominated films—Alien Romulus, Better Man, Dune: Part Two, Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes, and Wicked—and we revisit the shower door myth.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:01:11] Misinformation Corner

    [00:05:36] VFX Oscars Nomination Process

    [00:18:32] Nominee Highlights

    [00:53:27] The Martini

    [01:00:05] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Ralph McQuarrie - IMDb
    • Alien: Romulus (2024) - IMDb
    • Better Man (2024) - IMDb
    • Dune: Part Two (2024) - IMDb
    • Kingdom of the Planet of the Apes (2024) - IMDb
    • Wicked (2024) - IMDb


    The Martini

    Todd - Trade Coffee

    Jenny - Nurtured By Nature

    International Otter Survival Fund

    Rob - French Cleat Hanger


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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/011-vfx-oscar-nominations/

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    010 - Shaping Characters for Tomorrow with Amy Beth Christenson Jan 14, 2025
    Show notes

    ILM Art Director Amy Beth Christenson (Transformers One, Star Wars Rebels) discusses the complexities and pure joy of working with established Star Wars and Transformers characters while introducing new elements for today’s audiences. Amy shares stories of adapting her portfolio to catch the attention of recruiters and highlights from her 25 years with Lucasfilm and ILM.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:02:06] Questions from the Mailbag

    [00:18:51] Rejection Letters

    [00:30:10] Shaping Characters for Tomorrow

    [00:49:59] The Martini

    [00:58:19] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Amy Beth Christenson - IMDb
    • Transformers One (2024) - IMDb
    • Star Wars: The Force Unleashed
    • Star Wars: Resistance (TV Series 2018–2020) - IMDb
    • Joseph Christian Leyendecker | Artnet

    The Martini

    Todd - Apple Mac Mini

    Amy - BrickLink

    Studio Download [BrickLink]

    Jenny - Tobin's Spirit Guide by Magnoli Props

    Rob - Music by John Williams (2024) - IMDb

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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/010-shaping-characters-for-tomorrow-with-amy-beth-christenson/

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    009 - Bonus Episode 2024 Wrap Dec 31, 2024
    Show notes

    Rob, Todd and Jenny share their own rejection letters and answer some lingering questions from the mailbag. Todd corrects another VFX myth in Misinformation Corner. The team shares their favorite things from the year as we say farewell to 2024 in this bonus episode of Lighter Darker!

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:01:19] Mailbag

    [00:07:41] Misinformation Corner

    [00:22:30] Rejection Letters

    [00:48:33] The Martini

    [00:54:15] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Skeleton Crew (TV Series 2024– ) - IMDb
    • Director Jake Schreier on the set of Skeleton Crew
    • Cadrage Director's Viewfinder
    • The Mandalorian (TV Series 2019– ) - IMDb
    • Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (2016) - IMDb
    • Charmaine Chan - IMDb
    • Right Up Our Alley - FPV Drone Fly Through
    • FXRant: "Skeleton Crew", Neel and Misinformation
    • One Star Wars: Skeleton Crew Character Is A Stunning Blend Of Incredible Visual Effects - SlashFilm

    The Martini

    Todd - 2024 Total Eclipse: Where & When - NASA Science

    Jenny - Podcast Episodes Archive | Industrial Light & Magic

    Rob - EPAuto 12V DC Portable Air Compressor Pump, Digital Tire Inflator


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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/009-bonus-episode-2024-wrap/

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    008 - The Magic of Film with Dean Cundey Dec 10, 2024
    Show notes

    Join legendary cinematographer Dean Cundey (Apollo 13, The Mandalorian) on our final episode of 2024. From his early days collaborating with John Carpenter on horror classics like Halloween and The Thing to groundbreaking work on Jurassic Park and Who Framed Roger Rabbit, Cundey has shaped the visual landscape of cinema. Dean Cundey shares behind-the-scenes stories from the set and personal experiences breaking into the industry.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:02:00] Questions from the Mailbag

    [00:14:27] Rejection Letters

    [00:31:58] Making Magic On the Screen

    [00:50:15] The Martini

    [00:55:27] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Dean Cundey - IMDb
    • Roger Corman
    • Howard Anderson Optical Printer - ILM San Francisco Studio
    • Back to the Future Part 2 (5/12) Movie CLIP - The Future McFlys (1989) HD
    • The Parent Trap (1961) - IMDb
    • The Parent Trap (1998) - IMDb
    • Ken Ralston - IMDb
    • Who Framed Roger Rabbit (1988) - IMDb


    The Martini

    Todd - Stitch Fix

    Jenny - Midnight Mass (TV Mini Series 2021) - IMDb

    Rob - Microsoft Flight Simulator


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    Transcript: https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-008-the-magic-of-film-with-dean-cundey/

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    007 - Glicked: Worldbuilding in Wicked and Gladiator II Nov 26, 2024
    Show notes

    This week, we delve into the world building techniques behind two of the year's most anticipated films: Gladiator II and Wicked. VFX Producer Ed Randolph (Gladiator II) and VFX Supervisor Anthony Smith (Wicked) give us behind-the-scenes stories of building these worlds and share insights into some of their favorite shots from their impressive careers.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:10] Intro

    [00:03:07] Questions from the Mailbag

    [00:17:42] One Final and One CBB

    [00:28:15] Worldbuilding in WIcked and Gladiator II

    [00:49:13] The Martini

    [00:58:30] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Wicked (2024) - IMDb
    • Gladiator II (2024) - IMDb
    • Edward Randolph - IMDb
    • Anthony Smith - IMDb
    • Color Decision List Explained - Lowepost
    • Ready Player One (2018) - IMDb
    • Spectre (2015) - IMDb
    • Gravity (2013) - IMDb
    • Sherlock Holmes (2009) - IMDb

    The Martini

    Todd - The Wild Robot (2024) - IMDb

    Robot Dreams (2023) - IMDb

    Ed - Wicked: Tiny Desk Concert

    The Remarkable Life of Ibelin (2024) - IMDb

    Anthony - Old Masters Academy

    Jenny - A Smoky Mountain Christmas (TV Movie 1986) - IMDb

    A Smoky Mountain Christmas (1986 TV Movie, 2022 HD Circle TV Broadcast Edit)

    Rob - Clarkson's Farm (TV Series 2021– ) - IMDb


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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-007-worldbuilding-in-wicked-and-gladiator-ii/

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    006 - Ultraman: Rising with Shannon Tindle and Hayden Jones Nov 12, 2024
    Show notes

    Director Shannon Tindle (Kubo and the Two Strings, Lost Ollie) and VFX supervisor Hayden Jones join us to discuss the role of empathy in animation. We talk about Tindle’s latest film, Ultraman: Rising as well as the importance of collaboration and infusing personal experiences into characters and storytelling.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:03:20] Rejection Letters

    [00:11:25] Deleted Dreams

    [00:17:46] Empathy in Animation

    [00:45:52] The Martini

    [00:50:33] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Shannon Tindle - IMDb
    • Hayden Jones - IMDb
    • Ultraman: Rising (2024) - IMDb
    • THE HUMAN TARGET #1 | DC
    • Lost Ollie (TV Mini Series 2022) - IMDb

    The Martini

    Shannon - Hollow Kingdom #1 - Kira Jane Buxton

    Hayden - Thames & Hudson USA - Book - Anime Architecture: Imagined Worlds and Endless Megacities

    Jenny - Luigi's Mansion 2 - HD

    Rob - Welcome to Wrexham (TV Series 2022– ) - IMDb

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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-006-ultraman-rising-with-shannon-tindle-and-hayden-jones/

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    005 - Ghostbusters II with Bill George Oct 29, 2024
    Show notes

    For this special Halloween Edition, we flash back to Ghostbusters II with VFX legend Bill George who shares stories from the model shop. We talk with Bill about the evolution of visual effects over his 40-year career.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:03:45] Questions from the mailbag

    [00:16:20] Lighter Darker - origin of the name

    [00:19:10] Rejection letters

    [00:22:28] Ghostbusters II and the evolution of the artist toolbox

    [00:44:51] The Martini

    [00:52:19] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Bill George - IMDb
    • Artist Benton Jew Shares ILM Memories and the Story Behind Lighter Darker
    • Innerspace (1987) - IMDb
    • Ghostbusters II (1989) - IMDb
    • METHOCEL™ Water-Soluble Cellulose Ethers, IFF - ChemPoint.

    The Martini

    Todd -Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (1982) - IMDb

    Bram Stoker's Dracula (1992) - IMDb

    Bill - Sasquatch Sunset (2024) - IMDb Paramount + / rent on Amazon Prime

    Jenny - Halloween: Origins, Meaning & Traditions | HISTORY

    Jenny's Slimer Halloween Costume by Adam J. Ely on IG

    Rob - Scriptnotes


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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/ep-005-ghostbusters-2-with-bill-george/

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    004 - Twisters with Lee Isaac Chung and Ashley Jay Sandberg Oct 15, 2024
    Show notes

    Director Lee Isaac Chung (Minari, Twisters) and executive producer Ashley Jay Sandberg (Twisters, The Bee Gees: How Can You Mend a Broken Heart) discuss working together to balance science and storytelling with their latest film, Twisters. They share stories from the set, including real-life challenges from Mother Nature. The filmmakers and the Lighter Darker hosts chat about films that inspired them to choose their career paths and some roadblocks they faced along the way.

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:02:12] Questions from the mailbag

    [00:10:42] Rejection letters

    [00:19:44] Film foundations

    [00:28:20] The quiet power of nature

    [00:45:30] Final question

    [00:48:24] The martini

    [00:53:50] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Ashley Jay Sandberg - IMDb
    • Lee Isaac Chung - IMDb
    • Twisters
    • The Abyss (1989) - IMDb
    • Back to the Future (1985) - IMDb
    • E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial (1982) - IMDb
    • Kar-Wai Wong - IMDb
    • The Wizard of Oz (1939) - IMDb
    • Star Wars: Episode V - The Empire Strikes Back (1980) - IMDb
    • Phil Tippett on the set of The Empire Strikes Back
    • Ben Snow - IMDb
    • ILM VFX Supervisor Ben Snow on the set of Twisters
    • Florian Witzel - IMDb

    The Martini

    Rob - The Greatest Night in Pop (2024) - IMDb

    Todd - Schlage Encode Plus™ Smart WiFi Deadbolt | Wifi smart lock

    Jenny - Norsepaints (@norsepaints) • Instagram

    Isaac - StarTalk Radio

    Ashley BEATER BOARDS – Catch Surf USA

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    Transcript: https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/s1e004-twisters-with-lee-isaac-chung-and-ashley-jay-sandberg/

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    003 - Camera and Composition Oct 01, 2024
    Show notes

    Episode Summary

    Beth D'Amato, ILM digital paint supervisor, joins Todd and Rob to discuss their favorite camera moves, compositions, and notable oner’s. Beth shares how she got her start in VFX and we learn that sometimes, "We will keep your resume on file" is a good thing! The ILM pros answer questions about basic VFX terminology, and we bust an internet myth.


    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:01:50] Questions from the mailbag

    [00:11:07] Rejection letters

    [00:16:20] Misinformation corner

    [00:21:20] Camera and composition

    [00:43:19] The Martini

    [00:49:32] Outro


    Episode Links

    • Beth D'Amato - IMDb
    • @star_wars_battlegrounds) • Instagram
    • Maya Houdini
    • Raiders of the Lost Ark Clip
    • THE DARK KNIGHT (2008) "Joker Blows Up Hospital" Clip
    • Booksmart (2019) - IMDb
    • "Raiders of the Lost Ark" - Floorplan Animatic
    • Taxi Driver - phone call scene
    • Client Camera Movement Guide (Reddit)
    • Camera Movement Terminology


    The Martini

    • Todd recommends his favorite black and white films. The Third Man (1949) and Ripley (TV Mini Series 2024)
    • Beth is learning all the behind-the-scenes stories from The West Wing with the new book, What's Next: A Backstage Pass to The West Wing, Its Cast and Crew, and Its Enduring Legacy of Service
    • Jenny is flexing her internet sleuthing skills with Unsolved Mysteries Volume Four
    • Rob suggests Derek DelGaudio's In & Of Itself (2020) for a delightful exploration of the illusory nature of identity.


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    Transcript: https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/s1e3-camera-and-composition/

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    002 - Transformers One with Josh Cooley Sep 17, 2024
    Show notes

    Episode Summary

    In this episode, the Lighter Darker team welcomes director Josh Cooley (Toy Story 4, Transformers One) to talk about combining humor and heart in filmmaking as he does so well in his films. Josh shares the story of getting his dream shot at Pixar and how he almost had a very different job!

    Chapter Markers

    [00:00:00] Intro

    [00:01:41] Questions from the mailbag

    [00:04:46] What is virtual production?

    [00:13:00] Rejection letters

    [00:17:05] Humor and heart in animation

    [00:33:15] The Martini

    [00:39:21] Outro

    Episode Links

    • Josh Cooley - IMDb
    • Joe Ranft - IMDb
    • Toy Story 4 (2019) - IMDb
    • Transformers One (2024) - IMDb
    • Nathan Camp - Mocap

    The Martini

    Rob (and the rest of the internet) is obsessed with the Star Tours StarSpeeder Play Set

    2005 Star Tours - Original - Disneyland Anaheim

    Jenny scrambled to come up with something last minute because Rob stole her martini (see above). She is reading Wuthering Heights by Emily Brontë | Goodreads and obsessing over the Oxford comma debate. What Is the Oxford Comma (or Serial Comma)? | Grammarly. Yes, she is boring.

    Josh is staying true to the current Transformers hype by adopting a Flagship Optimus Prime from Robosen.

    Featured Music

    The Lighter Darker theme was created by Khatsho Orfali. This episode features music by Ben Charles aka chromasy.

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    Questions

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    Transcript

    https://www.ilm.com/transcripts/s1e2-transformers-one-with-josh-cooley/

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