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    Leaving Eden Podcast

    An Ex-Fundie, Deconstruction, and Cult podcast as told by cult survivor Sadie Carpenter, with her co-host Gavi HaCohen. This podcast covers Sadie’s cult, (The Independent Fundamental Baptist church), other cults, (including Jonestown and the Branch Davidians), cult-related media (including reality TV shows and documentaries like The Duggars/19 Kids and Counting, Shiny Happy People, Welcome to Plathville, and Real Housewives of Salt Lake City), famous fundamentalist and fundie influencers, other religions, and the real and present threat that cults and cult ideologies pose to society as a whole. Our goal is to promote freedom of mind, freedom of thought, and freedom of religion.

    For press, sponsorship, and other inquiries, contact LeavingEdenPod@gmail.com

    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast

    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus

    Social Media:

    INSTAGRAM:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    FACEBOOK:

    https://www.facebook.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Fundies take the WORST lessons from King David May 05, 2026
    Show notes

    Chad joins us once again to talk about OTHER bible stories about King David and his family, and what lessons fundamentalists take from them. We examine why King David is seen as such a great king despite the many failures of his rule and the mess that was his family. We discuss Absalom's rebellion, Tamar's assault, and the ??? story that is the story of Abashag.



    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    I went to the "Tradwife College" that Vanity Fair wrote about, and it's SO much worse than you think Apr 28, 2026
    Show notes

    In today's episode, Sadie discusses the recent article in Vanity Fair about Hyles-Anderson College, which she attended from the fall of 2011 until the spring of 2013. While this article did a good job of explaining what makes this college so controlling, we felt that this subject would have been better served with a longer-form piece that focused more on the deeper aspects of control rather than JUST the dress code.


    https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/the-college-for-trad-wives?srsltid=AfmBOopagpD8okZIVAWJdyk7Svyax_rmS8qF4xH0n2dryDQj7eEVtsRL


    00:00 - Intro

    05:23 - Tradwives

    07:43 - Rules for men vs. women

    09:43 - MRS Degrees

    14:58 - The IFB

    20:23 - The Curriculum

    28:01 - Bus Routes

    33:12 - How Sadie Almost got expelled

    38:08 - What the Vanity Fair could have done better

    42:48 - Why some people don't make it

    44:46 - This is an insular culture

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Caldwell Family Statement/Josh Duggar's Attempt to Get a New Trial (Duggar Update) Apr 21, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, we discuss Josh Duggar's attempt to vacate his conviction and secure a new trial based on the theory that Caleb William was the guilty party in his crime. We discuss his issues with filing deadlines, as well as how quickly Josh's sentence has gone by.

    We also discuss the statement released by the Caldwell Family regarding Joe Duggar's alleged crimes, what this says about their current situation and their relationship with Kendra.

    Sadie also talks about Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction fake bible quote.


    The Patreon extended version of this episode includes Sadie recording a parody of the 2014 Michelle Duggar robocall in which Michelle Duggar fearmongered about trans people in bathrooms.


    Sources for this episode are on this Patreon post (The text of this post is NOT paywalled)

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/156103157


    00:00 - Intro:

    04:16 - A correction and a clarification

    07:05 - WE DO NOT SPECULATE OR IDENTIFY THE VICTIM

    15:27 - Josh Duggar is trying to get out of prison (AGAIN)

    23:58 - Prison Mailbox rule

    29:35 - The timing is impeccable and Jack Schaap

    34:09 - Josh's sentence is FLYING by

    38:14 - Pete Hegseth and the Pulp Fiction "Bible" Quote

    46:56 - Caldwell Family Statement




    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Are Christians exempt from taxation? Apr 14, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, we discuss Christian beliefs around taxation, as well as why some fundamentalist Christians like Kent Hovind have opted for a sovereign citizen defense. At the end of the episode, we discuss the creative ways that Jim Bob Duggar has avoided taxation by passing his tax burden off onto his children.

    Source images are located on this Patreon post (the sources are not paywalled) https://www.patreon.com/posts/are-christians-155188116


    00:00 - Intro

    02:00 - Intro

    03:43 - Tax season

    04:31 - Kent Hovind, Dinosaur Adventure Land, Structuring

    08:34 - Render Unto Caesar

    12:05 - Romans 13 and historical context

    16:39 - Sovereign citizenship

    20:00 - The 14th Amendment

    23:14 - Suing the IRS

    25:46 - Convicted!

    29:50 - Jim Bob Duggar

    32:24 - The clobber verses vs. financial ethics

    34:04 - Magical Thinking

    37:15 - Gavi's Flow Chart

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Christian-ese translated to English: Duggar Family Turns on Joe, Emails Decoded Apr 07, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, Gavi proves how much he has learned about fundie culture by showing Sadie his INSPIRED AND PRESERVED translation from Fundie/Christian-ese to plain English of the Duggar Jail Emails that were obtained by Lilly Archive using the FOIA. Sadie then provides additional cultural context as well as a few things from these emails that stood out to her.

    In the extended Patreon edition of this episode, we discuss Amy Duggar King's April Fools Day post in which she joked about interviewing Bill Gothard.


    Sources, images, and additional material are located here (Yes it is a link to Patreon, but these things are not behind a paywall)

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/duggar-family-on-154932362/edit?postId=duggar-family-on-154932362


    SPECULATING ON THE IDENTITY OF JOE DUGGAR'S VICTIM IS COMPLETELY UNACCEPTABLE.


    00:00 - Intro

    01:45 - Sadie was raised Fundie, Gavi was NOT!

    03:39 - What do people miss?

    05:56 - "Bless Your Heart"

    07:50 - "I Love You and Jesus Loves You"

    13:04 - The Letter from Austin Forsyth

    18:33 - Gavi's Translation of Austin's letter

    20:48 - Thank You to our Patrons!

    22:22 - Josh Duggar's Jail Emails

    26:13 - Chariots of Fire

    27:37 - Josh is the Prodigal son

    30:07 - Gavi's Translation of the Josh Letter

    32:22 - Jim Bob is delusional

    35:15 - Jim Bob's letter to Joe

    38:27 - King David

    40:29 - THE PUN

    44:56 - God's Plan for Joe

    47:34 - Gavi's Translation of Jim Bob's letter to Joe

    50:18 - It will happen again

    52:42 - Josh/Anna/John David Letters

    56:13 - Will there be a trial? Joe Duggar's Lawyer

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Caldwells Vs. Duggars? The Caldwells raise funds for a legal battle Apr 05, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, we discuss the GoFundMe that Paul Caldwell (Kendra Duggar's father) posted which has since been deleted.


    All of the sources for this episode are located here, on this post on Patreon

    https://www.patreon.com/posts/caldwells-vs-for-154830204


    00:00 - Intro

    04:12 - Disclaimers

    05:13 - The Caldwells' latest moves

    08:00 - GoFundMe taken down

    08:35 - We have so many questions

    10:55 - The Caldwells are not IBLP

    12:41 - Sadie's connection with the Caldwells

    14:49 - Thank you to our patrons!

    16:18 - The Caldwells live in Joe and Kendra's house?

    18:08 - The Jailhouse call

    18:38 - Why do they need the house back? 20:01 -

    The no contact orders are REAL

    21:00 - Kicking people out of houses

    21:29 - SAFE housing?

    23:06 - What do you need legal fees for?

    24:06 - Quitclaim Deeds

    25:58 - the D word?

    27:06 - Is divorce allowed in the fundie world?

    31:26 - You never know what is going on in these families

    34:41 - Jim Bob is controlling

    36:56 - Do any of these motivations make sense?

    38:41 - IFB vs. IBLP

    45:57 - Which scenario do you think is most likely?

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    The Jail Emails/Joe Duggar Pleads Not Guilty: Our Analysis Apr 03, 2026
    Show notes

    Today we discuss the latest developments in the Joe Duggar case. Duggar has pleaded Not Guilty to all charges in Florida, has been released on a $600,000 bond, and (we think) is back in Arkansas.

    YouTuber Lily Archive has released numerous phone calls as well as emails sent to Joe Duggar while he was in jail in Arkansas. She obtained this material using a FOIA request (she has shown provenance). These are extremely telling. We give our impressions on this material, especially focused on the emails.

    Lily Archive's FOIA request documentation


    https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1sag5mu/proof_of_joes_jail_emails_i_got_via_foia_request/

    Junior_Wolf9331's pictures of Jim Bob and Joe at the airport

    https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1s9261f/jim_bob_joseph_at_panama_city_fl_airport/


    UPDATE: Between the time of filming and release of this episode, Washington County District Court sent me the documents that were published by Katie Joy as well as others, and they are the same documents, they are real.


    00:00 - Intro

    04:23 - DISCLAIMERS (We might be wrong)

    05:29 - Joe Duggar pleads NOT GUILTY and is out on bond

    08:06 - Will there be a trial?

    09:30 - What will the defense strategy be?

    11:45 - Jim Bob/Michelle Duggar statement

    12:30 - Josh Duggar vs. Joe Duggar favoritism

    13:45 - Getting the confession excluded

    17:08 - Thank you to our patrons!

    18:36 - The Phone Calls/Lily Archive

    24:40 - The Emails

    24:50 - Jim Bob's Email

    26:55 - King David and Joseph

    32:27 - Josh is the smartest Duggar?

    35:21 - Austin Forsyth's email

    37:52 - Anna Duggar's email

    40:45 - It's all coming apart

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Shiny Happy People Star joins us to talk about Duggar arrests, fake(?) documents, and IBLP Mar 31, 2026
    Show notes

    Shiny Happy People star Chad Harris joins us on this episode to discuss the latest developments in the Joe/Kendra Duggar cases. We discuss the potentially fake documents published by Katie Joy of the YouTube Channel "Without a Crystal Ball," the Joe/Kendra Duggar phone call, statements made by Jinger/Jeremy, and Jason/Maddie. In the third segment we answer listener questions about the arrests, about the Duggars, and about the IBLP in general.

    These are the two appeals to loss of parental rights cases we mentioned in the episode.


    https://law.justia.com/cases/arkansas/court-of-appeals/2025/cv-24-747.html

    https://law.justia.com/cases/arkansas/court-of-appeals/2025/cv-25-38.html


    00:00 - Intro

    01:44 - Subscribe to our Patreon!

    02:20 - NO VICTIM SPECULATION

    02:45 - Katie Joy and the fake(?) court documents

    04:50 - What is a trusted source?

    08:04 - Josh got visitation with his kids

    11:02 - Thank you to our patrons!

    12:48 - Statement from Jinger and Jeremy

    15:40 - Statement from Jason and Maddie

    19:50 - IBLP fails young men

    22:00 - Phone call between Joe and Kendra

    24:58 - Kendra is in a difficult spot

    29:25 - Every home is a cult and every father is a cult leader

    30:23 - Why do we talk about this? The stakes are high!

    34:53 - Listener Questions! 35:17 - 6th amendment rights

    37:35 - Why did Jim Bob want to be on TV?

    40:47 - Child Endangerment Clarification

    45:08 - What if the Duggars were allowed to date?

    47:29 - Gothardism and Jim Bob's trauma

    53:54 - Why are all the Duggar daughters social media influencers?

    55:35 - Did Jim Bob and Michelle reconsider their choices?

    55:58 - Why do the women stay?

    57:50 - How to bring down the IBLP

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Kendra Duggar charged/Duggar family statements/Will there be a trial? Mar 24, 2026
    Show notes

    In this episode, we discuss the continuing fallout from Joseph Duggar's arrest for child molestation, including Kendra Duggar's Child Endangerment/False Imprisonment charges, our breakdown of these charges, family statements made by/on behalf of Duggar family members, and our speculation on whether or not this case will go to trial.

    In the extended patreon edition, we discuss in greater detail our impressions of Amy Duggar after our (limited) interactions with her when she was a guest on our show while promoting her book.

    CW for discussion of CSA and CSAM

    AT NO POINT will we be speculating on the identity of the victim.


    02:00 - Kendra Duggar Arrested!

    02:52 - Please subscribe and join our Patreon!

    04:28 - Tonitown police file charges

    06:45 - What "Unrelated" means

    07:40 - WE ARE NOT LAWYERS

    07:55 - Endangering the Welfare of a Minor

    10:05 - New Information about Joe's Confession

    11:40 - Our Original Theory

    12:22 - Locks on the doors?

    13:40 - Unsecured Firearms

    14:40 - False Imprisonment

    14:50 - Jason does not use power tools safely

    16:30 - IBLP and Cult of Personality

    16:50 - Magical Thinking

    17:35 - How serious are Kendra's charges?

    24:44 - Thank you to our Patrons!

    26:19 - Jill and Derick Dillard's statement

    29:48 - Jessa and Ben Seewald's Statement

    30:22 - Amy Duggar King's Statement

    31:41 - Amy's book plug

    35:40 - Access and Accountability

    37:59 - People who deconstruct and stay Christian

    40:40 - Josh Duggar's Statement

    46:03 - Joseph Duggar's Phone Call

    47:20 - Jim Bob is running everything

    48:44 - Will there be a trial?

    49:04 - Can you imagine being Michelle Duggar?

    51:17 - No statement from Jim Bob and Michelle

    52:27 - We hope the victim's name never comes out

    54:55 - Megyn Kelly is not a real journalist

    55:57 - We hope the stories of survivors continue to be taken seriously

    57:29 - Should Christians pay taxes?

    55:29 - Should Christians pay taxes?

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


    Join our Patreon for extended, uncensored, and ad-free versions of most of our episodes, as well as other patron perks and bonus content!

    https://www.patreon.com/LeavingEdenPodcast


    Join our Facebook group to join in the discussion with other fans!

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/edenexodus


    Join our subreddit! Reddit.com/r/EdenExodus

    Bluesky:

    @leavingedenpodcast.bsky.social

    @hellyeahsadie.bsky.social

    @gavihacohen.bsky.social

    Instagram:

    https://www.instagram.com/leavingedenpodcast/

    https://www.instagram.com/sadiecarpentermusic/

    https://www.instagram.com/gavrielhacohen/

    Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.


    Joe Duggar has been arrested Mar 20, 2026
    Show notes

    n this special episode, we discuss the charges filed against former 19 Kids and Counting/Counting On star Joseph Duggar. Duggar is accused of committing Lewd and Lascivious Behavior, involving unlawful sexual activity with a minor. He has been taken into custody. The alleged molestation occurred some time in 2020. In this episode we discuss everything that we currently know, everything we don't know, the circumstances of the abuse, and then we answer listener questions.

    This episode contains discussions of child sexual abuse as well as discussion of Joseph's brother Josh's 2021 trial and conviction for possession of CSAM. This episode is not appropriate for children.

    Nowhere in this episode do we speculate about the identity of the victim, and we will not allow comments that do.


    Facebook post from Bay County Sheriff's Office

    https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1EoDDDy9qY/


    Reddit post with pictures of Joe and Kendra at Panama City Beach dated to October 11

    https://www.reddit.com/r/DuggarsSnark/comments/1rxk6ty/my_parents_2020_beach_vacation/


    Oxford University article about genetic predisposition to being an abuser

    https://www.psych.ox.ac.uk/news/sex-offending-genes-more-important-than-family-environment


    02:00 - Joe Duggar has been arrested

    02:54 - Welcome to our show

    03:10 - CW for CSA and CSAM discussion

    04:20 - Consider joining our Patreon!

    05:00 - BCSO Facebook Post

    06:50 - Poor Kendra

    07:53 - What is Joe charged with?

    08:36 - What is a Life Felony?

    09:46 - Joe's Apology

    11:35 - Purity Pledge

    12:34 - Will there be a trial?

    17:48 - Thank you to our Patrons!

    19:17 - What is the timeline?

    20:04 - Raid on the Duggar car lot

    20:45 - Counting the Cost by Jill Duggar Dillard

    22:26 - Holy Disruptor by Amy Duggar King

    24:20 - Jim Bob lied to the family

    24:55 - Reddit Pictures on the beach

    25:30 - Who was in Panama City Beach?

    27:40 - Apologies to the victim's father?

    28:15 - Homeland Security and US Marshals

    31:27 - Kendra was pregnant

    31:50 - Why did Joe Apologize?

    32:50 - You are your father's property

    34:20 - Did Kendra know?

    35:12 - Will Kendra stay or go?

    35:30 - Sadie's angry rant

    37:43 - Question 1: Have we seen signs from Joe? Joe/Kendra age gap

    38:54 - Sadie attended the wedding of a child bride

    41:15 - Question 2: How does this keep happening in this family?

    42:46 - Women are property, like livestock

    44:50 - Limiting access and adding accountability prevents abuse

    47:07 - Question 3: We know nothing about the victim or their family

    48:11 - Question 4: Did this follow the same pattern as Josh's cover-up?

    49:40 - Questions 5 and 6, Social media and Can Kendra Leave because Joe admitted his crime?

    52:01 - Question 7: Purity Culture

    52:42 - Question 8: Will this change fundie culture?

    54:14 - Question 9: Genetics and Grandpa Duggar

    55:35 - If there is a trial we will cover it!

    Subscribe to Leaving Eden Podcast on YouTube!

    https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCJ4q94gAnsoW2jME4SvVrrQ


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