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    Leading Second Podcast

    A monthly podcast to help church leaders thrive in the second chair.

    Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.

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    Latest Episodes:
    Level Up Your Leadership ft. Larry Brey | S8 Ep. 206 May 08, 2025
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    In ministry, we often encounter the need to 'level up' our leadership and personal growth. Brandon, Jennifer Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Oklahoma City, OK), sit down with Larry Brey (Elevation Church, Charlotte, NC) to discuss how skill development is crucial for an effective ministry. As we strive to level up, let's remember that our growth impacts not just us, but those we lead and influence.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    Faithful Leadership in Challenging Times - Live from Team Church Canada | S8 Ep. 205 May 01, 2025
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    This week, we explore the challenges and opportunities of leading in various contexts, including multi-site churches, family leadership transitions, and navigating cultural shifts. Brandon is joined by Tanisha Stromberg (Parallel Church, Okotoks, AB), Bryce Birmingham (Home Church, Calgary, AB), and Isaac Varty (Celebration Church, Edmonton, AB) for a conversation that emphasizes the importance of faithfulness, adaptability, and maintaining strong relationships in leadership roles.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    Navigating Transition: From Corporate to Calling ft. Troy Pollock | S8 Ep. 204 Apr 24, 2025
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    What really happens when you step away from a thriving corporate career to follow the call of ministry? In this episode, Brandon, along with Dillon and Leydanis Ritchie (CoastLife Church, Venice, FL), sit down with Troy Pollock - entrepreneur, former executive, and now location pastor - for a candid conversation about the transition from marketplace to ministry. Troy shares the surprising lessons, transferable skills, and hidden challenges that don’t make the highlight reel. If you’re standing at the crossroads of career and calling, or wondering what it means to truly live out your purpose in any environment, this episode is for you.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    Carrying the Weight of Ministry for Your Pastors ft. Jason Parrish | S8 Ep. 203 Apr 10, 2025
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    In ministry, each seat of leadership carries its own unique weight and perspective. Brandon, along with Dillon and Leydanis Ritchie (CoastLife Church, Venice, FL) and Jason Parrish (The Well, Salt Lake City, UT) explore the dynamics between first and second chair leaders in ministry. Just as a driver must be aware of multiple factors beyond what a passenger sees, those in the first chair often carry responsibilities and insights that may not be immediately apparent to those in the second chair.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    Leading with Staying Power ft. Brandon Catoe | S8 Ep. 202 Apr 03, 2025
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    Trusting God’s timing isn’t always easy, especially when our desire for security clashes with the call to obedience. But longevity in ministry is built on faithfulness over the long haul - choosing to stay the course even when the future feels uncertain. In this episode, Brandon sits down with Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Oklahoma City, OK) and Brandon Catoe (Christ Fellowship Church, West Palm Beach, FL) to talk about the tension between waiting and stepping out in faith. When we learn to pause, pray, and trust, we often find that what God has ahead is bigger and better than we imagined. Faithfulness today leads to an impact that lasts a lifetime.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    The Empowered Leader ft. Ken Hester | S8 Ep. 201 Mar 27, 2025
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    In our leadership journeys, we often encounter moments of uncertainty about our roles and the extent of our empowerment. This conversation delves into the heart of these challenges, reminding us that clarity is indeed king. Brandon, Jodi Cameron (Champions Centre, Tacoma, WA), Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Oklahoma City, OK), and Ken Hester (LifeFamily Church, Austin, TX) remind us that, just as Jesus spent time with His disciples, teaching through proximity and example, we too can grow in our leadership through a process of continuous learning and development.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    200th Episode Special | S8 Ep. 200 Mar 20, 2025
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    This podcast episode celebrates the 200th episode of Leading Second, focusing on the importance and dignity of second chair leadership in ministry. Brandon, Tracy Keene from StrongPoint Church in Columbus, OH; Dillon and Leydanis Ritchie along with their pastor, Jason Warman, from CoastLife Church in Venice FL; and Dan Lord from Gracelife Chapel in St. Louis, MO; reflect on leading in an uncommon way from the second chair.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    How to Handle Division & Strife on Your Team w/ L2 Team | S8 Ep. 199 Mar 13, 2025
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    Brandon sits down with some of the Leading Second team in a discussion to explore the challenges of dealing with division and strife within church ministry teams. Dillon Ritchie (Coastlife Church, Venice, FL), Jennifer Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Dom Gianino (Elevation Church, Rock Hill, SC) emphasize the importance of addressing conflicts promptly, maintaining team alignment with the church’s vision, and the necessity of having difficult conversations to maintain a healthy team culture.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    AI & Church Leadership ft. Michael Whittle | S8 Ep. 198 Mar 06, 2025
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    In our rapidly changing world, we’re faced with an exciting yet challenging technological revolution: artificial intelligence. As people of faith, we’re called to navigate this new landscape with wisdom and discernment. This week Brandon, along with Dillion and Leydanis Ritchie from CoastLife Church in Venice FL, sit down with Michael Whittle, the founder of Pulpit AI to discuss AI’s positive and negative impacts on the church.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


    Found Faithful ft. Marcus Mecum | S8 Ep. 197 Feb 27, 2025
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    In this powerful discussion, the true essence of faithfulness in leadership is discussed. Brandon, Joseph Kelley from Discovery Church in Oklahoma City, OK, and Devon Torres from The Rock of KC in Kansas City, MO, sit down with Marcus Mecum, Lead Pastor of 7 Hill’s Church in Florence, KY, to help us examine our hearts, realign our priorities, and recommit to serving God and others with authenticity and love.

    We've created an Episode Guide for you to follow along with the conversation, find discussion questions to use with your team, and discover additional resources to help you take your second-chair leadership to the next-level. Download this free resource at leadingsecond.com/podcast


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