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    Leading Second Podcast

    A monthly podcast to help church leaders thrive in the second chair.

    Leading Second exists to equip local churches everywhere to raise up UNCOMMON leaders. In a culture that often celebrates individual achievement and being on top, Leading Second is here to raise up the kind of leaders every pastor would kill to have on the team. Leaders who are all-in, heart and soul for Jesus, His Church, and their team’s mission. In an ever changing world, we have conversations in real-time with pastors and leaders on topics such as church leadership, leading when you’re not in charge, healthy team culture, and how to lead in the second chair. To learn more, visit leadingsecond.com.

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    Building Your Personal Team ft. Dillon & Leydanis Ritchie | Ep. 226 Sep 17, 2026
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    In this episode, Brandon Stewart, along with Dillon and Leydanis Ritchie (CoastLife Church, Venice, FL), discusses the importance of having a personal team. We are all invited to ask the hard question for each of us: Are there people in our lives who have the ability to keep us accountable?


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    Leading Second in the Negative World ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 225 Sep 10, 2026
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    As Second Chair Leaders, we have to be realistic about our strategy and where we stand in the world today. Brandon discusses the importance of leading in the "negative world” we find ourselves in today.


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    Second Chair is Not Second Class ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 224 Sep 03, 2026
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    What if the seat we occupy in ministry is not a stepping stone to something greater, but is itself the place of greatest significance? Brandon Stewart walks us through the heart of Leading Second and the renewed vision of the ministry going forward.


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    Leading with Faithfulness ft. Jody Franke | Ep. 223 May 14, 2026
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    Brandon sits down with Jody Franke (Keystone Church, Keller, TX) to explore what it means to serve faithfully in ministry without letting ambition cloud our calling. Reminding us that true ministry begins, not with titles or positions, but with a simple willingness to help and serve wherever God places us.


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    When Leaders Need Care ft. Roger & Sarah Stanton | Ep. 222 Apr 09, 2026
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    We can find ourselves caught between two competing narratives when it comes to seeking help: the fear of appearing weak and the cultural tendency to wear our struggles as badges of identity. Brandon sits down with Roger and Sarah Stanton, licensed mental health counselors, to discuss how important it is for leaders to receive the care they need to be able to carry on in ministry. The call is clear: stop carrying the weight alone and step into the freedom God has waiting for us.


    To learn more about Leading Second Care, visit https://leadingsecond.com/care


    The Tensions Every Second Chair Leader Will Face (Part 2) | Ep. 221 Mar 19, 2026
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    Jump back into our look at Lead It Like You Own It with the author, Brandon Stewart, as he dives deep into what went into writing the book and shares three more key tension statements that Second Chair Leaders will face.

    Learn more at leaditlikeyouownit.com.


    The Tensions Every Second Chair Leader Will Face (Part 1) | Ep. 220 Mar 12, 2026
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    Take a behind-the-scenes look at Lead It Like You Own It with the author, Brandon Stewart, as he dives deep into what went into writing the book and shares the three key tension statements that Second Chair Leaders will face.


    Lead It Like You Own It ft. Brandon Stewart | Ep. 219 Feb 26, 2026
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    Leading Second is proud to announce the release of our first book, Lead It Like You Own It. Brandon sits down with Lindsay, Matt Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Jon Hatto (Hillsong Church, Toronto, Canada) to discuss the process Brandon walked through to write the book and how it can help every leader in ministry.


    The Six Enemies of Ownership (Part 2) ft. L2 Coaching Team | Ep. 218 Feb 19, 2026
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    Brandon, Travis Marshall (Christian World Church, Richardson, TX), Jennifer Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Yukon, OK) jump back into the discussion of the six enemies of ownership. This week, they address the last three. We are challenged to examine what it truly means to take ownership in God’s house, starting with the most difficult person we’ll ever lead: ourselves.


    The Six Enemies of Ownership (Part 1) ft. L2 Coaching Team | Ep. 217 Feb 12, 2026
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    We’re living in a time where ownership seems to be fading from our everyday lives, and the church isn’t immune to this cultural shift. Joining Brandon this week to address the first three enemies of ownership are Travis Marshall (Christian World Church, Richardson, TX), Jennifer Martin (NorthRock Church, San Antonio, TX), and Joseph Kelley (Discovery Church, Yukon, OK). This conversation exposes a critical reality: our world has traded sacrificial service for self-protective boundaries, and commitment has become a burden rather than a calling. But here’s the hope—this is actually our moment to be radically countercultural.


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